[00:00] <Supermanintights> LOL
[00:00] <palnj> autocorrect hates me
[00:00] <Supermanintights> intestine
[00:00] <Supermanintights> what are you using? android? iphone?
[00:00] <jacobw> i live within 5 minute walking distance of a 24 hour tesco
[00:00] <palnj> iPod touch so yea iOS
[00:00] <penguin42> jacobw: I think that's a scary percentage of the population who do
[00:00] <Supermanintights> it's a 7 mile drive for me - there and back
[00:00] <palnj> iOS 5...!
[00:01] <directhex> eek non-free
[00:01]  * directhex runs away
[00:01] <penguin42> 7 miles to a tesco? Where are you? The highlands?
[00:01] <Supermanintights> i liked my iphone 3gs, then i treated myself to a galaxy note - and i've become a man
[00:01] <jacobw> i need to start eating healthily again :|
[00:01] <palnj> directhex: lol :P
[00:01] <Supermanintights> erm
[00:01] <Supermanintights> stoke on trent =/
[00:01] <palnj> directhex needs to start PAYING healthily again
[00:02] <jacobw> i used to be vegetarian and do crossfit and boxing, now i eat toast and cheese and sometimes run up stairs
[00:02] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Let me guess, they put all the Tescos in the other town centre?
[00:02] <palnj> you paid for that computer you're using now didn't you  directhex? you did pay for it? DIDN'T YOU?!?!
[00:02] <Supermanintights> there's 3 that are 24 hour hat are local - and all of them are much too far to walk, and probably not worth the drive unless it's important
[00:02] <penguin42> jacobw: Wow, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone switch in that direction before
[00:02] <palnj> Android FTW!!!
[00:03] <Supermanintights> galaxy note ftw
[00:03] <palnj> Supermanintights: ice cream sandwich FTW!!!
[00:03] <directhex> palnj: it magically appeared in my house, and my credit card magically had more on it, about 3 years ago
[00:03] <Supermanintights> hmm... i don't know how to get ICS for my note
[00:03] <Supermanintights> but when i do
[00:03] <Supermanintights> note ICS ftw
[00:03] <directhex> my next phone is delayed at customs -_-
[00:04] <penguin42> palnj: I'd agree with you if I wasn't currently swearing at my 1st attempt at Android JNI
[00:04] <directhex> lollerskates, JNI
[00:04] <palnj> jni?
[00:04] <penguin42> palnj: Java Native Interface - calling C code from Java
[00:04] <directhex> JNI is the intentionally dreadful system java uses to allow you to call into C libraries from Java
[00:04] <palnj> penguin42: ah right of course... I knew that
[00:05] <hamitron> real men just use C ofc
[00:05] <hamitron> ;)
[00:05] <palnj> I actually did sorta know it was really shit
[00:05] <penguin42> hamitron: Indeed, but that's difficult on Android
[00:05] <hamitron> never used android tbh
[00:05] <hamitron> :/
[00:05] <popey> directhex: what you getting?
[00:05] <hamitron> keep getting tempted
[00:05]  * popey has two android tablets on his desk
[00:05] <Supermanintights> ok, despite the attempts of you heathens to be unhealthy and eat cheesecake, i gave into temptation and went for weetabix
[00:06] <palnj> hamitron: you should, even if that means running down to the nearest CURRYS/PCWorld or Conet and mucking around with Hineycomb on a tablet of some sort
[00:06] <palnj> *honeycomb lol
[00:06] <hamitron> the thing that puts me off any device running android, is how manufacturers seem to think I am willing to buy a new device every few years
[00:06] <Supermanintights> how on earth does autocorrect recognise hineycomb as a word :s
[00:07] <palnj> Alan Pope, you are officially the greatest person I have ever known...over the Internet
[00:07] <hamitron> I expect 10 years life
[00:07] <popey> o_O
[00:07] <popey> they're not mine
[00:07] <palnj> Supermanintights: weetabix
[00:07] <palnj> FTW!!!!
[00:07] <palnj> popey: oh...then I hate you for leading me on like that
[00:08] <popey> i get to use them though ☺
[00:08]  * palnj sons dramatically 
[00:08] <popey> Asus Transformer
[00:08] <palnj> *sobs
[00:08] <Supermanintights> i just don't get tablets
[00:08] <popey> I do ☺
[00:08] <hamitron> ants!
[00:08] <Supermanintights> my note is big enough for me to do anything i need to - and people complain i have a laptop computer with me
[00:08] <hamitron> errr, wrong window
[00:08] <popey> I love laying in bed, watching a film or TV programme on ipad
[00:08] <palnj> ARRRGGHHHH!!!!! /me...hate...AUTOCORRECT!!!!!!!!
[00:08] <penguin42> popey: I got > < close to buying the Dell Streak 7" that currys were selling off earlier in the week for £99
[00:08] <Supermanintights> a tablet just seems like a limited pc or something
[00:08] <popey> haha
[00:08] <palnj> irc command fail
[00:08] <popey> the dell streak is a hilarious failure of a device
[00:08] <Supermanintights> penguin42 - don't get the note
[00:08] <popey> isnt it AlanBell ?
[00:09] <penguin42> popey: Why?
[00:09] <popey> ☺
[00:09] <hamitron> penguin42, are they still?
[00:09] <penguin42> hamitron: Seem to have stopped last night
[00:09] <popey> its both a rubbish phone and a rubbish tablet at the same time
[00:09] <AlanBell> it is a phone of substantial proportions
[00:09] <penguin42> popey: Why is it a rubbish tablet?
[00:09] <directhex> popey: n9 from work
[00:09] <hamitron> bigger is better
[00:09] <hamitron> ;)
[00:09] <Supermanintights> fml
[00:09] <popey> directhex: nice!
[00:09] <Supermanintights> i've got an error burning
[00:09] <popey> penguin42: too small
[00:10] <palnj> hamitron: in terms if tablets yes...
[00:10] <christel> AlanBell: oh is that the ENORMO one TheOpenSourcerer had?
[00:10] <Supermanintights> wondered why it was on 17% for a while
[00:10] <popey> runs crustydroid
[00:10] <christel> (the one which you mislaid yours of?)
[00:10] <AlanBell> christel: he has got a big one, yes
[00:10] <palnj> Rubik's Cube
[00:10] <christel> yes, that is one way of putting it! :p
[00:10] <hamitron> my phone sits on a desk, so I'd be happy with a tablet as a phone tbh palnj
[00:10] <directhex> you wouldn't.
[00:10]  * popey hugs his cisco 7940
[00:10] <hamitron> well, until Orange terminated my contract
[00:10] <hamitron> :/
[00:10] <palnj> Rubik's Cube
[00:10] <directhex> try holding 30 pages of a4 next to youe ear.
[00:11] <AlanBell> I like my Galaxy S2
[00:11] <directhex> hamitron: blessing in disguise: free from orange!
[00:11] <hamitron> directhex, I feel upset still, losing my number
[00:11] <popey> directhex: so is that the last meego phone?
[00:11] <hamitron> no warnings
[00:11] <hamitron> :/
[00:11] <AlanBell> but I think I would also like a phone that just does phoning and wifi tethering plus a tablet
[00:11] <Supermanintights> erm guys
[00:11] <Supermanintights> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/errorda.jpg/
[00:11] <directhex> popey: assuming you call it a meego phone, yes
[00:11] <popey> ah
[00:11] <penguin42> popey: To be honest I should have got it - at £99 it's worth it easily for a dual core A9; albeit without Neon
[00:11] <AlanBell> possibly a transformer prime
[00:12] <Supermanintights> error buring ubuntu on take 3
[00:12] <popey> penguin42: i would imagine it would end up in a drawer after a very short time
[00:12] <popey> even for 99 quid
[00:12] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Consider how your not having a good day with CD burning - USB THUMB DRIVE!
[00:12] <penguin42> popey: Yeh; I've got a lot of geek toys like that :-)
[00:12] <palnj> Supermanintights: ur dead ad fish in a net cast by really good fisherman
[00:12] <popey> heh
[00:13] <popey> me too
[00:13]  * hamitron would rather have meego, than android tbh
[00:13] <popey> penguin42: got my Palm T|X out tonight ☺
[00:13] <penguin42> (a whole bunch of people I know all concluded they had an Indy that they had bought years ago and hadn't used for at least 5 years)
[00:13] <directhex> hamitron: at least it's real linux!
[00:13] <hamitron> yeh :)
[00:13] <palnj> • hamitron: (n) to meego!
[00:13] <Supermanintights> there is great irony
[00:13] <palnj> over android anyway
[00:13] <Supermanintights> i have 2 usb thumdrives available
[00:13] <palnj> Supermanintights: in what?
[00:13] <palnj> Supermanintights: oh right :P
[00:13] <hamitron> directhex, I could see it been fun trying to make a custom distro
[00:13] <Supermanintights> 1 is 32gb with my work saved on, but in an osx filesystem
[00:14] <Supermanintights> the other has a 500mb capacity
[00:14] <directhex> hamitron: http://www.merproject.org/ ?
[00:14] <palnj> nobody answered my question earlier :'(
[00:14] <directhex> palnj: no it shouldn't be purple, see a doctor
[00:14] <popey> Supermanintights: so get the mini iso and put that on the 500Mb one
[00:14] <jacobw> parition tables are uesful
[00:14] <Supermanintights> huh? miniiso?
[00:14] <palnj> would anyone be interested in creating a brand new desktop environment that's completely fresh and innovative?
[00:14] <popey> Supermanintights: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[00:14] <hamitron> directhex, I was thinking more a phone with bash as the "interface" ;)
[00:15] <popey> 26 of your earth  megabytes
[00:15] <penguin42> hamitron: my Android phone lets me get a bash shell
[00:15]  * Supermanintights kisses and dry humps popey
[00:15] <hamitron> but android is invaded with the evil of google
[00:15] <Supermanintights> no homo
[00:15] <hamitron> :/
[00:15] <palnj> popey: wow that's tiny
[00:15] <palnj> palnj: hi me
[00:16] <Supermanintights> palnj - girls say that to me all the time
[00:16] <AlanBell> Supermanintights: the baby iso might even burn without failing
[00:16] <hamitron> directhex, what I need for this Mer?
[00:16]  * popey snuggles Supermanintights 
[00:16] <palnj> Supermanintights: what are they in about? your ego?!?
[00:16] <Supermanintights> i wish
[00:16] <palnj> lol jk I see why you mean
[00:16] <Supermanintights> :(
[00:17] <palnj> *what
[00:17] <Supermanintights> the 500mb thumbdrive has no casing
[00:18] <Supermanintights> so it's just the mobo/chip and a usb head
[00:18] <palnj> why do people just sign in to IRC a then wait for something interesting to happen!
[00:18] <Supermanintights> begging to be corrupted
[00:18] <Supermanintights> uneetbootin right?
[00:18] <palnj_> it means noone knows who's actively taking part in conversation
[00:19] <hamitron> :)
[00:19] <palnj_> stupid wireless fail
[00:19] <hamitron> real men use wires
[00:19] <hamitron> ;)
[00:19] <palnj_> hamitron: Ethernet cable ft...actually.no
[00:19] <Supermanintights> guys
[00:20] <palnj_> modem jack FTW!!!
[00:20] <palnj_> hooray dial up!
[00:20] <Supermanintights> what distribution do i select for the minimal installation
[00:20] <Supermanintights> on unetbootin
[00:20] <Supermanintights> ?
[00:20] <jacobw> iso
[00:20] <Supermanintights> oh
[00:20]  * Supermanintights looks properly
[00:20] <Supermanintights> oops
[00:20] <Supermanintights> ignore
[00:21] <hamitron> does mini.iso work with unetbootin?
[00:21] <hamitron> not tried, since most my comps won't boot off usb
[00:22] <Supermanintights> it better!!!
[00:22] <palnj_> Supermanintights: hooray for minimal install then I guess
[00:23] <popey> should do
[00:24] <palnj_> hamitron: what'd day mean? my 11 year old Packard bell boots off USB
[00:24] <palnj_> * what do you
[00:24] <hamitron> my 15 year old Packard Bell won't even boot off cdrom
[00:24] <hamitron> :D
[00:25] <hamitron> but I don't run ubuntu on that
[00:25] <hamitron> I know my K6-2 comp won't boot off USB
[00:26] <hamitron> so tend to just use a cdrw
[00:26] <popey> what do you run on the PB?
[00:26] <Supermanintights> so my mums computer won't recognise my 500mb usb stick
[00:26] <Supermanintights> jooookkkkeeeeessss
[00:27] <hamitron> I multiboot, MSDOS, slackware 8.1 and slackware 11.0
[00:27] <penguin42> hamitron: Yeh my Dad has a P2-300-ish that has 10.04 on and it needs a CD to boot
[00:27] <hamitron> penguin42, same sorta age, yeh
[00:27] <Supermanintights> ok, sorry guys
[00:27] <Supermanintights> i've had enough
[00:27] <Supermanintights> screw ubuntu
[00:27] <hamitron> ubuntu rocks
[00:27] <Supermanintights> i'ma gonna find windows 3.11 instead
[00:27] <hamitron> :/
[00:28] <popey> Go OS/2!
[00:28] <hamitron> I'm seriously considering Minix
[00:28] <hamitron> haha
[00:28] <Supermanintights> hmm, thinking about it
[00:28] <Supermanintights> would it be possible to run windows 3.11 still?
[00:28] <hamitron> yes
[00:29] <penguin42> popey: You odd person you....
[00:29] <popey> i used to have VMs for every DOS version, and every Windows version up to Win2K
[00:29]  * Supermanintights 's jaw drops
[00:29] <hamitron> popey, now you are talking
[00:29] <hamitron> :)
[00:30] <hamitron> i collect all the original cd and licenses
[00:30] <hamitron> just seems fun to "browse" :/
[00:30] <palnj_> popey: the Packard bell is the pc I need more ram for
[00:30] <popey> bah, my Palm T|X wont connect to my wifi
[00:30] <palnj_> thankfully Alan bell should be receiving an email from me soon
[00:31] <palnj_> he kindly offered to give me some ram as well as an Ubuntu cd ;) thx a lot
[00:31] <MonsterKiller> hey, when i try to run screen i get "no more PTYs". anyone know what causes that/any fixes? :)
[00:32]  * Supermanintights whoops
[00:32] <Supermanintights> i found another flash drive
[00:33] <palnj_> I didn't know whoop was a verb
[00:33] <palnj_> as in to "whoop"
[00:33] <AlanBell> verbing nouns weirds language
[00:33]  * Supermanintights glares
[00:33] <Supermanintights> given the circumstances, i think a pass is allowed
[00:34] <AlanBell> but I think whoop is a perfectly cromulent verb
[00:34] <Supermanintights> 5.5 hours, and so far i have windows installed and nothing else
[00:34] <penguin42> wahey! Segfault!
[00:34] <Supermanintights> back up daddy's usb pen
[00:34] <Supermanintights> run unetbootin
[00:34] <Supermanintights> cry when something ELSE goes wrong
[00:35] <palnj_> AlanBell: I guess it is ie whooping cough
[00:36] <Supermanintights> whooping cushion
[00:36] <Supermanintights> a cushion that whoops
[00:36] <Supermanintights> so suck it
[00:36] <Supermanintights> :D
[00:37] <penguin42> no no, that's a woopey cushion
[00:38] <Supermanintights> it's a verb ok
[00:38] <Supermanintights> :(
[00:38] <Supermanintights> damned grammar police (nazis)
[00:38] <popey> moving on...
[00:39] <Supermanintights> my usb pen is still backing up
[00:39] <Supermanintights> then i'll try it
[00:39] <palnj_> penguin42: I though he flopped
[00:39] <Supermanintights> should i try the standard file, not the minimal one as it'll fit on the usb?
[00:39] <popey> what size usb stick is it?
[00:39] <Supermanintights> 32gb?
[00:40] <palnj_> Supermanintights: possibly of you want to
[00:40] <popey> I'd use the full size ISO
[00:40] <Supermanintights> cool
[00:40] <palnj_> whoa 32 gb!
[00:40] <popey> assuming you have MD5SUM checked it
[00:40] <popey> (the ISO that is)
[00:40] <popey> if you haven't then you're a silly sausage
[00:40] <palnj_> I can fit the iso on 2gb
[00:40] <popey> well done you palnj_
[00:40] <palnj_> popey: thank u, thank you very much
[00:40] <Supermanintights> i have md5sum checked it
[00:41] <Supermanintights> someone else kept moaning at me to do it
[00:41] <palnj_> Supermanintights: good ;)
[00:41] <popey> groovy
[00:41] <Supermanintights> no usb drives found
[00:41] <Supermanintights> fml
[00:41] <popey> windows?
[00:41] <popey> disk utility?
[00:41] <Supermanintights> yes
[00:41] <Supermanintights> windows
[00:42] <palnj_> Supermanintights: lol fourth time alone you've said that
[00:42] <popey> I count 10
[00:42] <palnj_> popey: I haven't been here too long
[00:42] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/787413/
[00:42] <Supermanintights> i'm becoming increasingly frustrated palnj_ - it'll increase soon
[00:42] <palnj_> but FTW seems to be popularising itself too
[00:42] <Supermanintights> LOL
[00:43] <Supermanintights> aaaanyway
[00:43] <Supermanintights> moving on from the discussion on how much life loves me - how do i fix this problem/
[00:43] <palnj_> popey: ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
[00:43] <Supermanintights> it's usb drive D:\
[00:44] <Supermanintights> formatted to fat32
[00:44] <Supermanintights> and unetbootin not finding it
[00:45] <penguin42> heck it's taken me long enough - but I've finally got this thing to call a JNI function
[00:45] <Supermanintights> i fixed it
[00:47] <Supermanintights> don't all rush to congratulate me at once
[00:49] <palnj> see ya guys...tired :(
[00:51]  * popey goes to bed
[00:51] <Supermanintights> once i have ubuntu installed
[00:52] <Supermanintights> i'll go to bed also
[00:52] <Supermanintights> maybe
[00:52] <Supermanintights> i can foresee a late one i didn't want/need
[00:52]  * palnj is already in bed
[00:53] <Supermanintights> it works
[00:53] <Supermanintights> IT WORKS
[00:53] <Supermanintights> who on earth suggested cd booting...
[00:53] <penguin42> hehe
[00:54] <penguin42> Supermanintights: I think you owe jacobw a cookie
[00:54] <jacobw> ha
[00:54] <Supermanintights> thanks jacobw :P
[00:54]  * Supermanintights gives jacobw his last cookie
[00:55] <penguin42> Supermanintights: I'd be interested to know what brand of drive is in the machine you're installing on - especially if it's an NEC one
[00:55] <palnj> Supermanintights: lok finally you have prevailed!!
[00:55] <Supermanintights> brand of drive?
[00:55] <Supermanintights> cd/usb
[00:55] <penguin42> nod
[00:55] <penguin42> cd
[00:55] <Supermanintights> oh
[00:55] <Supermanintights> erm
[00:56] <Supermanintights> i'll find out in a min
[00:56] <Supermanintights> just trying to install dualbooting
[00:56] <Supermanintights> hmm
[00:57] <Supermanintights> i think my pc just froze
[00:57] <Supermanintights> completely
[00:57] <Supermanintights> working now, but not a good start
[00:57] <penguin42> Supermanintights: I think you should do a good memtest on that machine
[00:58] <Supermanintights> ^^
[00:58] <Supermanintights> right
[00:58] <Supermanintights> i got windows installed on a partition
[00:58] <Supermanintights> and then a lot of unformatted space
[00:58] <Supermanintights> it's saying - "erase disk and install ubuntu" or "soething else"
[00:58] <penguin42> I'd say something else
[00:59] <Supermanintights> do i go for something else - i'm dualbooting, and having a 3rd partition for data
[00:59] <jacobw> 'something else' lets you apply your own partiton scheme
[00:59] <Supermanintights> the install partition thing doesn't seem to recognise that windows is already installed on a partition
[01:00] <Supermanintights> it's showing:
[01:01] <Supermanintights> "/dev/sda" underneath - "freespace" with 500107MB, and i can select "new partition table" "add" "change" "delete" or revert", windows 7 should be installed on a 50gb partition
[01:02] <jacobw> you should do some of those things :)
[01:02] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Does it not show another area labelled sda1 or the like ?
[01:02] <Supermanintights> nope, that's everything
[01:02] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Have you got a digi camera?
[01:02] <Supermanintights> yeah
[01:02] <Supermanintights> gimme a sec
[01:04] <Supermanintights> uploading to picasa now
[01:04] <Supermanintights> i'm going to kill Az for telling me this would be easy
[01:04] <Supermanintights> that or steal one of his precious monitors
[01:05] <palnj> see ya guys then bye!!!!!!
[01:05] <palnj> Supermanintights: good luck with the install
[01:05] <Supermanintights> see ya palnj - thanks for help :)
[01:06] <palnj> I would crack up if when the install finished it said f*** your life, you need to restart
[01:06] <Supermanintights> :(
[01:06] <Supermanintights> if it does
[01:07] <Supermanintights> i'll take a screeny
[01:08] <Supermanintights> penguin42 - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/De42ANGZminYjIE7zLzV-URqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink
[01:09] <penguin42> Supermanintights: You're sure you didn't nuke windows right?
[01:10] <Supermanintights> i don't know how
[01:10] <Supermanintights> it was there
[01:10] <Supermanintights> i press install
[01:10] <Supermanintights> so far i've managed to click next, entered wifi password
[01:10] <Supermanintights> and it's gone
[01:11] <Supermanintights> should i restart, boot from hdd and see if it's still there?
[01:12] <penguin42> I would
[01:12] <Supermanintights> which is better - windows being there? or windows not being there?
[01:13] <penguin42> that depends on your point of view
[01:13] <Supermanintights> :P
[01:13] <Supermanintights> windows is booting
[01:14] <Supermanintights> ok, i'm in windows
[01:15] <Supermanintights> anything you want me to take a photo of or something? i'm getting desperate now, i just want them both installed, then tomorrow i can install the rest of the stuff i need to
[01:15] <penguin42> ok, I guess it's there
[01:15] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Boot the stick again and go through each question with us
[01:15] <Supermanintights> ok
[01:16] <Supermanintights> sorry if it comes across as so tarded - it just really doesn't want to work for me tonight, as you can see
[01:16] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Computers can be like that
[01:17] <Supermanintights> ok
[01:17] <Supermanintights> boot menu
[01:17] <Supermanintights> usb
[01:17] <Supermanintights> i now get
[01:17] <Supermanintights> unetbootin with following options
[01:17] <Supermanintights> fml
[01:17] <Supermanintights> it's booted automatically :S
[01:18] <penguin42> ok
[01:18] <Supermanintights> (don't tell palnj or popey about the fml)
[01:18] <Supermanintights> ok
[01:18]  * penguin42 wouldn't
[01:19] <Supermanintights> "default" "help" "try ubuntu without installing" "install ubuntu" "check disc for defects" "test memory" "boot from first hard disk" "try ubuntu wihout installing" "install ubuntu" "checuk disks for defects" - yes the duplicates are showing on screen
[01:20] <penguin42> install
[01:20] <Supermanintights> first or second option to install
[01:20] <penguin42> do the try
[01:21] <Supermanintights> try ubuntu without installing/
[01:21] <Supermanintights> ok doing that one
[01:21] <Supermanintights> loading now
[01:21] <Supermanintights> ok i'm in
[01:22] <Supermanintights> at the desktop
[01:22] <Supermanintights> should i connect to wifi first?
[01:22] <penguin42> ok, do me a favour, open a terminal and do   cat /proc/partitions
[01:22] <Supermanintights> sec
[01:22] <Supermanintights> ok
[01:23] <Supermanintights> done
[01:23] <Supermanintights> what do you want to see?
[01:23] <Supermanintights> take photo?
[01:23] <penguin42> do you see sda lines ?
[01:23] <penguin42> and do you see any for sda1 or 2 etc ?
[01:23] <Supermanintights> loop0, sda, sda1, sda2, sdb, sdb1
[01:24] <penguin42> ok, that's good - that means it can see there are 2 partitions on sda at that point
[01:24] <penguin42> now, run the installer
[01:24] <Supermanintights> is sda windows?
[01:25] <Supermanintights> ok so i selected english
[01:25] <Supermanintights> ticked to install 3rd party software for flash, mp3 and other media
[01:25] <penguin42> Supermanintights: sda is the whole disk, sda1 and 2 are windows
[01:25] <Supermanintights> now i click continue - that ok?
[01:25] <penguin42> ok
[01:25] <Supermanintights> asking me to connect to wifi - can i do this?
[01:25] <penguin42> yep
[01:25] <Supermanintights> sec, temp froze again
[01:26] <penguin42> doesn't sound good
[01:26] <Supermanintights> think i pressed wrong button that time
[01:26] <Supermanintights> mouse still worked
[01:26] <Supermanintights> ok, connected
[01:26] <Supermanintights> pressed continue
[01:26] <Supermanintights> now i got same options as before
[01:26] <Supermanintights> erase/install and something else
[01:27] <penguin42> ok, show me the screen shot
[01:27] <Supermanintights> "this computer currently has no detected operating systems."
[01:27] <penguin42> hmph
[01:27] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Which version of Ubuntu is this?
[01:27] <Supermanintights> latest
[01:28] <Supermanintights> 64bit
[01:28] <penguin42> 11.10 ?
[01:28] <Supermanintights> yeah
[01:29] <Supermanintights> uploading screenshot now
[01:29] <penguin42> Supermanintights: hmm, so it sounds like you have a bug somewhere  - you could raise a bug on ubiquity as a starter
[01:30] <Supermanintights> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/De42ANGZminYjIE7zLzV-URqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink
[01:31] <penguin42> that shouldn't happen
[01:31] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Can you open a terminal?
[01:31] <Supermanintights> sure
[01:31] <Supermanintights> go
[01:32] <penguin42> try sudo fdisk -l
[01:33] <Supermanintights> pastebin.com/2RydrXMU
[01:35] <penguin42> Supermanintights: That's l as in larry not 1 as in 1000
[01:35] <Supermanintights> oh
[01:35] <Supermanintights> erm
[01:35] <Supermanintights> i know....
[01:35]  * Supermanintights whistles innocently
[01:36] <Supermanintights> pastebin.com/ArM2Yb4K
[01:38] <penguin42> Supermanintights: That all looks fine - so the OS sees your window partitions
[01:39] <Supermanintights> ok
[01:39] <Supermanintights> shall i click something else then?
[01:39] <penguin42> Supermanintights: I don't have a good answer I'm afraid, the partitioner should show you those
[01:40] <Supermanintights> hmm
[01:40] <Supermanintights> who/where is best place to go about this/
[01:40] <penguin42> Supermanintights: At this point, I'd get an image of the alternate CD and install from there
[01:41] <Supermanintights> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YX3ZSoUUwjinVL7N2hUGn0Rqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink
[01:41] <Supermanintights> urgh
[01:42] <Supermanintights> what if i install ubuntu now, then go to reinstall windows after ubuntu - would that work? i know it's not recommended, but there's clearly a problem somewhere
[01:44] <penguin42> Supermanintights: You've hit a bug - so knowing what will happen in a different circumstance is hard to say
[01:45] <Supermanintights> hmm
[01:45] <Supermanintights> fair point
[01:45] <Supermanintights> right, i'm going to just leave it
[01:45] <Supermanintights> start again tomorrow morning
[01:46] <penguin42> nod; I'd say with an alternate installer
[01:46] <Supermanintights> reckon?
[01:46] <Supermanintights> i'm wondering if it's me messing with partitions that's the problem
[01:46] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Please run ubuntu-bug ubuiqity to report the mess you have
[01:46] <Supermanintights> i created a 50gb partition for windiows, nd the rest was unallocated
[01:46] <penguin42> that's fine
[01:46] <Supermanintights> where do i find this bug thing?
[01:47] <penguin42> Supermanintights: In a terminal, preferably one opened after you hit that problem of not seeing the partitions,  run ubuntu-bug ubuiquity
[01:48] <Supermanintights> do i leave the setup window open?
[01:48] <Supermanintights> and on what page?
[01:48] <penguin42> the last one you got to
[01:49] <Supermanintights> sent
[01:49] <Supermanintights> including log report
[01:50] <penguin42> good - thanks for doing that
[01:50] <Supermanintights> asking me about a launchpad account
[01:50] <Supermanintights> do i register/
[01:50] <penguin42> yep
[01:50] <penguin42> Supermanintights: That way someone can ask you more questions about your hardware or tell you about a fix
[01:56] <Supermanintights> submitted
[01:56] <Supermanintights> also copied the text from terminal with fdisk -l
[01:57] <Supermanintights> thanks for the help penguin42 et al - appreciate it, hopefully better luck tomorrow
[01:57] <penguin42> Supermanintights: What was your bug number ?
[01:57] <Supermanintights> 909955
[01:59] <Supermanintights> should i include any further information penguin42?
[02:01] <penguin42> just checking
[02:01] <penguin42> ah, GPT
[02:01] <Supermanintights> i've just included screensots as well
[02:01] <Supermanintights> what?
[02:01] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Your disk is partitioned with gpt rather than oldschool partitoning
[02:01] <Supermanintights> have you found the problem?
[02:02] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Now that *SHOULD* work in the installer - but it's less common
[02:02] <Supermanintights> i just partitioned with windows for the windows partition, rest was unallocated - anything beyond that - i don't have a clue
[02:07] <Supermanintights> right, i'm going to bed
[02:07] <Supermanintights> thanks for help all
[02:07] <Supermanintights> hopefully better luck tomorrow
[02:11] <penguin42> yeh, bed is a good idea!
[07:29] <mattt> morning, morning
[08:27] <christel> morning -uk!
[08:28] <danfish> morning
[08:28] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:28] <danfish> czajkowski: thanks for the groupon headsup re rugby - will look into it.
[08:45] <christel> that was a very decent discount, i was unfortunately too slow
[08:46] <danfish> same here :(
[08:46] <christel> :(
[09:06] <mattt> i missed the groupon too :(
[09:06] <christel> :(
[09:07] <mattt> not really a london irish fan to begin with, but would have been fun
[09:12] <christel> yeah, and at that price it'd have been worth it for pretty much any team!
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> Netherlands vs Germany.
[09:18] <christel> \o/
[09:19]  * MartijnVdS has no idea about rugby
[09:19] <MartijnVdS> All I know is that it exists...
[09:29]  * mattt spear tackles MartijnVdS
[09:52]  * danfish sinbins mattt 
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> sinbin? sounds like something from a church
[09:58] <christel> hehe
[10:30] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:30] <christel> morning brobostigon
[10:30] <brobostigon> morning christel and MartijnVdS o/
[10:57] <kvarley> I saw a video a while back showing the ported version of Unity to OpenGL ES running on ARM. Does anybody know where I can find out when it'll be officially released?
[11:18] <mattt> christel: http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/london/london-irish-rugby/2309595
[11:18] <christel> oooh
[11:18] <christel> nice catch mattt!
[11:18] <mattt> heh, my gf just spotted that
[11:19] <mattt> gonna get northampton saints and blues tix
[11:19] <christel> give her christel points!
[11:20] <mattt> "christel who?"
[11:20] <mattt> kidding
[11:20]  * mattt aint going there
[11:22] <christel> haha
[12:37] <smittix> Univoid: Get to work!
[12:37] <smittix> Lazy git.
[12:37] <palnj> smittix: no need for rudeness
[12:37] <smittix> meh
[12:40] <smittix> I am at work and he's had the day off. No fair.
[12:40] <palnj> smittix: then pure telling him to conduct work he doesn't know exists due to him being given the day off :P
[12:41] <smittix> heh, We're in the middle of an ERP Implementation so he should know!
[12:42] <palnj> I have no idea what that is, but if he's not been given a job to do at home. he shouldn't be doing a job at home
[12:42] <smittix> =)
[15:03] <czajkowski> danfish: I got tickets for the february rugby game
[15:10] <christel> woop
[15:11] <czajkowski> going to the February 26th game
[15:11] <czajkowski> gonna post to Ubuntu UK mailing list now
[15:13] <christel> nice
[15:15] <czajkowski> done
[15:15] <czajkowski> last year we went to the pub
[15:17] <AlanBell> pub was fun
[15:18] <czajkowski> indeed
[15:22] <danfish> nice
[15:22] <mattt> yeh, saints should be a good game
[15:22] <mattt> i'm going to the cardiff game too tho, to get my gavin henson autograph
[15:22]  * mattt jokes
[15:26] <danfish> czajkowski: booked! Haven't spoken to other half, but at that price :)
[15:28] <AlanBell> in Reading?
[15:29] <mattt> AlanBell: madejeski
[15:30]  * AlanBell books
[15:35] <christel> ooh
[15:36] <christel> i wonder if i can get away with going to that
[15:40] <mattt> christel: will freenode survive with you being AFK?
[15:42] <christel> haha
[15:42] <Pendulum> mattt: with or without his shirt on ;)
[15:42] <christel> i was more concerned about whether my family would approve of me going to the rugby on my son's 2nd birthday
[15:42] <christel> :P
[15:43] <AlanBell> christel: special birthday treat for him ;)
[15:43] <christel> hehe
[15:43] <christel> i like your thinking!
[15:43] <Pendulum> AlanBell: +1
[15:43] <Pendulum> christel: you have to train him early, anyway, don't you?
[15:43] <christel> true!
[15:43]  * Pendulum was well indoctrinated in American football by the time she was 4
[15:44] <Pendulum> when I was 4, I'd tell you that I was going to be a pro American football player when I grew up
[15:44] <christel> unfortunately he is just that tiny bit too young to accept sitting still for a game
[15:44] <zleap> yeah,  buy mini rugby balls rather than soccer balls for the back garden kickabout
[15:44] <christel> :(
[15:44] <christel> i am sending him to rugby tots when he's two (that's their age requirement)
[15:44] <AlanBell> christel: do you think czajkowski will sit still for the game?
[15:44] <zleap> sounds good
[15:44] <christel> AlanBell: good point!
[15:45] <zleap> we have under 7s rugby (6 year olds)
[15:45] <Pendulum> christel: would he have to sit still the entire match? Every pro-sporting event I've been to has had some space where you could walk around and still see the field (and you could go back and forth from your seats, of course)
[15:46] <zleap> Pendulum, perhaps to avoid upsetting other people yeah
[15:46]  * Pendulum shrugs
[15:46] <Pendulum> I've never been in a rugby stadium so wasn't sure how they'd match up with the sorts of stadiums I've been in
[15:46] <Pendulum> next time I'm in the UK, I really should find a match to go to
[15:46] <mattt> Pendulum: madejeski is a football stadium primarily
[15:46] <zleap> Pendulum,  where are you
[15:47] <Pendulum> mattt: yeah, not been in that sort of football stadium either
[15:47] <Pendulum> zleap: US. I hang out here because I have more mates in the UK than the US
[15:47] <Pendulum> well, and because czajkowski told me to ;-)
[15:48] <zleap> ah,  yeah not been in a stadium here,  but been in the rogers stadium in toronto,  if that is typical of baseball stadia then there is far more room etc
[15:48] <mattt> that's not a typical baseball stadium :P
[15:48] <Pendulum> haven't been in rogers, but I suspect it's close to the baseball stadiums and football stadiums I've been in
[15:48] <Pendulum> at least in terms of room
[15:49] <zleap> more room to move around, lots of eating places etc
[15:49] <zleap> more family friendly
[15:49] <mattt> zleap: you from toronto?
[15:49] <Pendulum> my favourite for moving around is Citizen's Bank Park in Philly because the entire concourse opens up to the field so no matter where you are, you can turn around and see the field if something happens
[15:49] <zleap> Paignton, i was in toronto a few years ago while in canada
[15:49] <Pendulum> zleap: did you live there or just on a visit?
[15:50] <zleap> was on work canada so had a 1 year work visa,  so was in toronto,  then up on a summer camp then in vancouver
[15:50] <zleap> so yeah was living in canada
[15:51] <mattt> i lived in toronto for a bunch of years
[15:51] <Pendulum> nice
[15:52] <Pendulum> I used to do a lot of work with an NGO in Toronto
[15:52] <zleap> so got to see 2 baseball games
[15:52] <Pendulum> so have been several times, but always "work" related :(
[15:52] <zleap> Pendulum, u been to linuxcaffe
[15:52] <Pendulum> I keep meaning to go back and actually see more of the city
[15:53] <Pendulum> zleap: nah, this was before I was a geek, back when I was in high school.
[15:53] <zleap> ah
[15:53] <Pendulum> zleap: the NGO was Free the Children (which seems to be decently well known in Canada)
[15:53] <zleap> what does NGO mean
[15:53] <Pendulum> non-governmental organisation
[15:53] <zleap> ah
[15:53] <Pendulum> so charity, essentially
[15:54] <Pendulum> well, charity if you're in the UK, non-profit if you're in the US
[15:54] <zleap> i was on a summer camp for a few months as maintenance, great experience
[15:55] <Pendulum> heh
[15:56] <zleap> quite a few rugby teams in toronto too, which is good
[16:00] <zleap> I am currently e-mailing a local charity group to try and see if they can promote free software and ubuntu to the local people
[16:01] <zleap> esp as that area is classed as deprived,  knowing there are alternatives to MS office could be useful
[16:06] <Pendulum> zleap: do you know about the Ubuntu NGO team?
[16:06] <zleap> nope
[16:06] <Pendulum> it's kinda dead at the moment, but I'd like to at least get more profiles of NGOs on it
[16:07] <Pendulum> it's more aimed at looking at NGOs using (or interested in using) open source, but I wonder if there might be some resources that would be helpful for you, too
[16:07] <Pendulum> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO
[16:07] <zleap> I will let them know about that, thanks
[16:07] <zleap> so far there are links to ubuntu, the uk loco page,  and ubuntu youth
[16:08] <zleap> I am trying to suggest a) people can save money using libreoffice etc
[16:08] <Pendulum> :)
[16:08] <Pendulum> not to mention, so many people already use FireFox
[16:08] <zleap> also trying to suggest that by getting invovled and using ubuntu people can develop useful skills
[16:08] <Pendulum> yeah
[16:08] <zleap> also made a point that schools should not peanalise people for using libreoffice
[16:08] <zleap> so there is a link to the oasis site too, to show that odf is a proper format
[16:09] <Pendulum> *nods*
[16:09] <zleap> i have head of that happening,  and its up to young people to stop it happening
[16:09] <zleap> am i right in thinking that an essay is an essay it's what is in it, that is important not the tool being used
[16:10] <Pendulum> when I was in uni all my papers were handed in physically so the odt issue didn't really come up other than when I had to get my thesis bound and had to provide files (at which point I converted to a PDF)
[16:10] <Pendulum> actually, that's not true, I couldn't get the PDF to format how I wanted so I converted to Word and checked the formatting
[16:10] <Pendulum> but I tried to do it all open source
[16:11] <zleap> this is where latex is useful
[16:11] <zleap> if you have time to learn how to use it
[16:15] <zleap> problem is we are up against Microsoft is everything mentality,  they fail to see that population they serve may not be able to actuall afford MS office (even student edition)
[16:21] <daubers> Afternoon
[16:22] <zleap> Afternoon
[16:25] <andylockran> howdy all
[16:30] <zleap> hi
[17:01] <Supermanintights> i've decided to start my ubuntu/windows dualboot again
[17:02] <jacobw> why?
[17:02] <Supermanintights> seeing as 6 hours work eventually told me i did it with GUID Partition Table which was apparently unusual
[17:02] <Supermanintights> i got into ubuntu - but it doesn't recognise my windows OS as installed
[17:03] <Supermanintights> i was told to post a bug - #909955
[17:03] <jacobw> oh
[17:04] <jacobw> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Windows_x64_64-bit_versions
[17:05] <jacobw> assuming your windows partition still exists, it should be detected by grub-install
[17:05] <Supermanintights> still there
[17:05] <Supermanintights> do i type grub-install into a terminal then?
[17:05] <jacobw> grub-install is run by the intaller to generate the bootloader configuration and install it to to the mbr
[17:06] <jacobw> how do you know its still there? can you access it?
[17:06] <Supermanintights> sure, if i boot from HDD - it's there
[17:06] <Supermanintights> if you look on my bug report, i also copied from terminal the results from fdisk -l
[17:07] <jacobw> ok
[17:07] <Supermanintights> which shows (according to Penguin guy from last night) that windows is there
[17:20] <jutnux> popey: What is the VPS host that you use again? :-)
[17:20] <brobostigon> bitfolk?
[17:21] <jutnux> That is it.
[17:21] <jutnux> Thanks
[17:22] <brobostigon> :)
[17:22] <brobostigon> i use the same vps company.
[17:22] <jacobw> iirc bitfolk sponsered oggcamp this year
[17:22] <jacobw> :|
[17:22] <jutnux> I have hard good things about them.
[17:22] <jacobw> sponsored*
[17:25] <DJones> Yeah, bitfolk have started running a minecraft server after testing by popey for bitfolk customers, thats been excellent
[17:30] <jutnux> I might purchase a VPS.
[17:32] <gordonjcp> jutnux: it's quick and cost-effective
[17:32] <brobostigon> and you get to get your own hands dirty and do the admin.
[17:35] <swat_> evening all
[17:35] <jutnux> Howdy ho.
[17:35] <swat_> how we doing?
[17:49] <Supermanintights> guy
[17:49] <Supermanintights> s
[17:49] <Supermanintights> i've just reinstalled windows
[17:49] <Supermanintights> and i'm now in disk management to shrink partition
[17:49] <Supermanintights> i'm looking to have 50gb for windows, and 30 for ubuntu
[17:50] <Supermanintights> but i also want a 3rd partition for Data/Media
[17:50] <Supermanintights> how much of that should I do in Windows Disk Management?
[18:09] <Supermanintights> wtf
[18:09] <Supermanintights> its still not finding the installed operating system when i try install
[18:09] <Supermanintights> i just installed windows a few minutes ago - there were no issues installing it
[18:12] <jutnux> Have you installed it correctly?
[18:12] <Supermanintights> windows? yeah
[18:12] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: What _do_ you see in the Ubuntu installer? Can you make a screenshot? (use a camera if necessary)
[18:12] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS - i made a bug last night, i had the same problem last night - someone told me to report it
[18:13] <Supermanintights> #909955
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: sure, but you might be clicking on the wrong bit somewhere we don't know
[18:13] <Supermanintights> screenshots are there
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: accidentally?
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> no idea then
[18:13] <Supermanintights> i went through it step by step with someone last night
[18:13] <Supermanintights> urgh
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> I just installed Windows on the entire disk
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> and let Ubuntu resize the partition
[18:14] <Supermanintights> hmm, maybe that's where i'm going wrong
[18:14] <Supermanintights> i'll resize it back in windows - and then try that
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> should not be a problem
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> but who knows
[18:14] <Supermanintights> failing that, i hae no idea - i might just have to choose one or the other :(
[18:14] <MartijnVdS> is it GPT or MBR?
[18:15] <Supermanintights> from what i did last night on the bug - the copied text mentions something about GPT
[18:15] <Supermanintights> i have no idea on what any of this lot is
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: Let me tell you a story ... :)
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: it's a story about dividing large disks into chunks :)
[18:15]  * Supermanintights sits down excitedly for story time, after grabbing milk and cookies
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: Long ago, in the DOS age, disks had a sector at the beginning that are special
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> (disks are read in blocks of 512 or 1024 bytes -- a sector)
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> This is called the "boot sector" or "master boot record"
[18:16]  * Supermanintights nods
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> it contains a small program that can load the rest of the OS, or a better OS loader like grub
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> it also contains a partition table
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> But as this was the DOS age, people didn't think disks would ever be >2TB
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> or that people would ever need >4 (later 8) partitions
[18:18] <Supermanintights> to be fair, didn't IBM founder predict that the world market of computers would be like 8?
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> When that limit came close, a new way of describing disk partitions was invented, GPT
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> (GUID partition table)
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> which is supported by the new-style BIOS ("EFI") which is slowly replacing the (also DOS-era) BIOS.
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> and Windows Vista and up
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> and MacOS, and LInux
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> so GPT isn't bad, it's just buggy in the Ubuntu installer ;)
[18:19] <Supermanintights> ah, i'm with you
[18:19] <Supermanintights> sooo, what should i do about it? or what can I do about it then?
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> How large is the disk in total?
[18:20] <Supermanintights> 500gb
[18:21] <Supermanintights> although in reality tad smaller
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> sure
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> is wiping an option?
[18:21] <Supermanintights> lol
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> (just asking :))
[18:21] <Supermanintights> that's all i've been doing
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> OK
[18:21] <Supermanintights> i just got rid of OSX
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> OSX?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> On a PC?
[18:21] <Supermanintights> yeah, decided to hackintosh
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> that would explain why it's GPT :)
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> New MacOSes expect that
[18:22] <Supermanintights> basically - straigt wipe 25-30gb ubuntu, 50gb windows, the rest as a 3rd partition for media/data
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> you're need to revert to a non-gpt partiton table. I don't know of an easy way to do that
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> except zero'ing the first MB or so of the disk
[18:22] <Supermanintights> how hard is the non-easy way?
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> The non-easy way is:
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> insert ubuntu CD, open terminal, type "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1" (make sure that's the disk!!!!! or you'll wipe the wrong one)
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> then reboot with the Windows installer DVD
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> it'll think the disk is empty
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> install it with a "legacy", "old-style" or "MBR" partition table
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: or http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725797.aspx
[18:24] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: ^^ that's easier and non-destructive
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> wait
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> that's ALSO destructive
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> anyway, time for teh foodz. I think you have a few options now ;)
[18:26] <Supermanintights> lol
[18:26] <Supermanintights> thanks man
[18:26] <Supermanintights> appreciate it
[18:26] <Supermanintights> a bit of that went over my head
[18:26] <Supermanintights> but
[18:26] <Supermanintights> worst comes to worst i buy a new laptop and start again
[18:26] <Supermanintights> :P
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> the decadence ;)
[18:43] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS - when you're back, i followed the guide, and when i type clean - after selecting the disk, it says "Virtual Disk Service error: Clean is not allowed on the disk containing the current boot, system, pagefile, crashdump or hibernation volume" - do you have any suggestions, or do you know the best channel to visit to get more support on this?
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: I was wrong about the Windows guide -- it requires the disk to be empty as well
[18:46] <Supermanintights> also, i just went into disk management, then went to properties - according to disk properties - the partition style is already set to MBR
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> Hmmm
[18:46] <Supermanintights> i can take a picture if it helps
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> I'm out of ideas, sorry
[18:47] <Supermanintights> no need apologise - you've helped.  ubuntu reckons it's GPT - as per the result of fdisk -l, windows reckons it's MBR
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> with my other method, both will make it MBR again
[18:47] <Supermanintights> i vaguely remember setting it to GPT when i set up the hackintosh, in the OSX install screen
[18:48]  * Supermanintights goes up to read
[18:48] <Supermanintights> using ubuntu terminal?
[18:48] <MartijnVdS> yes, from the live environment
[18:49] <Supermanintights> ok, now - i don't know how to read disk's from the terminal commands
[18:49] <Supermanintights> it's been 12 months, so i'm rusty
[18:49] <Supermanintights> "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1" - sda = disk?
[18:49] <Supermanintights> and how do i make sure thats right? do an fdisk -l ?
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> yes, make sure the disk is named /dev/sda
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> yes
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> that would be a good way
[18:50] <Supermanintights> i think it was sda1, but i'll definitely check
[18:50] <Supermanintights> ok, just rebooting into the liveusb environment
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> yes if it's sda, strip the 1 -> /dev/sda
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> but make sure you don't do the USB disk -- that mighjt be sda
[18:50] <Supermanintights> lol
[18:50] <Supermanintights> that wouldn't be clever :P
[18:53] <Supermanintights> ok, as i understand it (not great), sda = 500gb, and has sda 1 and sda2 listed as devices underneath it, and then sdb = usb
[18:53] <Supermanintights> so i just have sda? or sda1 or sda2?
[18:53] <Supermanintights> i can take screeny/pastebin if needbe
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> use sda
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> that's the entire disk
[18:54] <Supermanintights> great
[18:54] <Supermanintights> ok
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> the other ones are partitions -- which don't contain the partition table in them :)
[18:54] <Supermanintights> lets go
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> SO you're wiping the entire disk(!)
[18:54] <Supermanintights> yay
[18:54] <Supermanintights> whatever it takes to work
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> I like to make sure people know they'll lose all their data ;)
[18:55] <Supermanintights> yeah, i'd already formatted - want to just get this sorted - then i'll worry about recovering data from corrupted external later
[18:57] <Supermanintights> ok, error came through (as is my luck) - dd: opening dev/sda : no such file or directory
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> /dev/sda, with a / in front
[18:57] <Supermanintights> ooopss, thanks
[18:58] <Supermanintights> think it's done it
[18:59] <Supermanintights> 1+0 records in, 1+0 records out, 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.0111391 s, 94.1MB/s - it's now flashing on :~$
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> OK, the first MB of your disk is now all zeroes
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> reboot with the WIndows installer disk
[19:00] <Supermanintights> cool - when i install and select partitions, should i just partition entire disk to windows - and worry about the repartitioning when i get to ubuntu?
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[19:01] <Supermanintights> awesome - thanks so much for your help btw, spent 8 hours on this so far, and got nowhere really until just
[19:02] <Supermanintights> do i need to do anything special about the MBR thing now - or will installer do all that for me automatically?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> If the installer gives you an option, make sure it's ticked :)
[19:04] <Supermanintights> no option, installing now
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> http://i.qkme.me/2G.jpg
[19:32] <Supermanintights> erm
[19:32] <Supermanintights> MartijnVdS - it seems to still think i'm  on GPT
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> :(
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> then I have no idea
[19:33] <Supermanintights> know of any specialist guy/channel i can speak to?
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> no idea
[19:33] <Supermanintights> i don't really care what it takes - remote access, whatever - i just want to sort this so i can carry on working
[19:33]  * Supermanintights cries
[19:34] <Supermanintights> ok, i'll see what i can figure out
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> why don't you just install Ubuntu and Windows side by side, not touching the Windows partition from the Ubuntu installer
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> and then adding Windows to grub afterwards manually
[19:35] <Supermanintights> i'll be honest - i'm just following guides from other people
[19:35] <Supermanintights> all i want is 3 partitions, windows, ubuntu, and media - with media being accessible from both OS
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> OK, then install Windows as always
[19:36] <brobostigon> ubuntu will need two partitions, root and swap.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it doesn't need swap, you can use a swap file if you want... more work but can be done
[19:37] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: agreed, true, yes.
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> but if you're going for easy.. yes go for the partition :)
[19:37] <brobostigon> :)
[19:38] <Supermanintights> hmm, i just played around on gparted out of boredom - and i'm in the create new partition window - erasing the entire disk.  how do i make sure it's MBR?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: dunno
[19:40] <brobostigon> Supermanintights: i brleieve that option is in the main gparted window ,emu's.
[19:40] <Supermanintights> emus?
[19:41] <brobostigon> menu's*
[19:41] <Supermanintights> hmm
[19:42] <Supermanintights> i just played with a few things in gparted now - how can i test to see what it is?
[19:42] <Supermanintights> i just did fdisk -l but there's nothing to say it's gpt or not
[19:42] <brobostigon> Supermanintights: device menu, create partition table.
[19:42] <Supermanintights> i'd like to see if i can check before having to do the whole rigamarole of instaling windows then going back to ubuntu to see if it works
[19:43] <Supermanintights> that's what i've done brobostigon - just formatted to ntfs
[19:43] <Supermanintights> the entire disk
[19:43] <brobostigon> ok.
[19:47] <Supermanintights> ok, lets try installing windows again, see if it works
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> ood luck
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> +g
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> ood luck would be very Doctorish
[19:50] <Supermanintights> i'll take them all
[19:50] <Supermanintights> 5th time in 2 days i've installed windows
[19:50] <jacobw> ouch
[19:51] <jacobw> what do you use windows for?
[19:51] <Supermanintights> best of it is - windows installs fine, it's ubuntu that gives me the problem
[19:51] <Supermanintights> erm
[19:51] <Supermanintights> games, photohsop/dreamweaver/other adobe stuff
[19:51] <Supermanintights> that'll be the main thing
[19:51] <jacobw> ok
[19:51] <Supermanintights> and then i'll be testing them both to see which is better for running and playing media
[19:52] <jacobw> depends on graphics drivers
[19:52] <Supermanintights> nvidia one, in a laptop (model = toshiba satellite a-500
[19:52] <brobostigon> also go with the same piece of software on both, so to make that software equal, so it actually tests the underlying system.
[19:54] <Supermanintights> sure - generally only use vlc, or xbmc if i have the time and energy to set that up as it should
[19:54] <brobostigon> ok, because then it is a proper test, and tests the right things.
[19:54] <Supermanintights> both are ported to ubuntu/windows - so should be a like for like comparison, or close to
[19:55] <brobostigon> agreed.
[19:57] <jacobw> does anyone use tramp or etckeeper?
[19:57] <jacobw> i want to be able to pull and push files to and from servers keeping a local changelog of edits i've made
[19:57] <brobostigon> never heard of either.
[20:04] <jacobw> tramps is an elisp to pull from ssh, edit and push back
[20:06] <jacobw> tramp*
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> vim can do that too
[20:06] <jacobw> i know
[20:06]  * MartijnVdS is scared of elisp
[20:07] <jacobw> (why (would (that (be)))) ?
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> exactly
[20:16] <Supermanintights> YES
[20:16] <Supermanintights> fdisk -l suggests it's not formatted to gpt
[20:16] <Supermanintights> now do i dare test the ubuntu install
[20:18] <jacobw> `sudo parted -l | grep Table:` ?
[20:18] <Supermanintights> ??
[20:19] <Supermanintights> my install ubuntu looks to have spazzed out - just connected to wifi on 3rd page, pressed continue, and the cursor loading has been going for a couple of minutes ow
[20:20] <jacobw> what part of the install is it doing?
[20:20] <Supermanintights> 3rd page - connect to wifi
[20:20] <Supermanintights> just connected to wifi
[20:20] <Supermanintights> now just loading - without doing anything
[20:20] <Supermanintights> is there a ubuntu task manager? so i can close this and try starting again?
[20:30] <Supermanintights> YEEEEEEEESSS
[20:30] <Supermanintights> ok
[20:30] <Supermanintights> it's worked
[20:30] <Supermanintights> finally
[20:31] <Supermanintights> now, for anyone who is still with me in this VERY long, tiring journey - do i select install ubuntu alongside windows 7 or something else?  I want to have 3 partitions, 1 win7, 1 ubuntu, and 1 large media/storage partition.
[20:34] <Supermanintights> ^^ anyone have any suggestions/recommendations which option to select - install alongside, or go to the something else option (create/resize partitions yourself)
[20:34] <jacobw> if you want to share a parition between ubuntu and windows it has be a filesystem both can use
[20:34] <Supermanintights> i've been (very very loosely) following this guide: http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony
[20:34] <jacobw> you should choose 'something else' because the installer won't do this for you
[20:35] <Supermanintights> ok cool
[20:35] <Supermanintights> thanks jacobw
[20:35] <jacobw> how much ram do you have?
[20:36] <Supermanintights> 4gb
[20:37] <jacobw> ok, create a 16GB root extended partition and a 4GB swap extended partiton after your ntfs partition[s] and after those a fat32 parition to end of the disk
[20:38] <jacobw> you can have your home parition on the the 16GB root parition and mount the fat32 parition as /mnt/storage and symlink to it from your home directory
[20:38] <Supermanintights> why fat32?  what's the fat32 for?  cos i use large movie files etc. i never like touching it if i can help it
[20:39]  * jacobw check if ntfs works properly yet
[20:39] <Supermanintights> it seemed to work well for my old external on ntfs 12 months or so ago
[20:39] <jacobw> under linux?
[20:39] <Supermanintights> ubuntu natty i think it was
[20:40] <jacobw> try it
[20:40] <Supermanintights> i had a 1tb external usb - that was ntfs, seemed fine
[20:40] <Supermanintights> ok, so noob questions alert - do i go to add or new partition table?
[20:41] <jacobw> add
[20:42] <Supermanintights> it's currently showing /sda - /sda1 - type:ntfs - 500mb, 16gb used
[20:42] <Supermanintights> it won't let me click add - unless i select /sda1
[20:43] <jacobw> the disk is 500GB?
[20:43] <Supermanintights> yeah
[20:43] <jacobw> and the ntfs is 500GB?
[20:43] <Supermanintights> sorry, that was my typo
[20:43] <Supermanintights> yeah
[20:43] <Supermanintights> i just installed windows to entire disk first
[20:44] <Supermanintights> now i want to have windows at 50gb, unbuntu at 25gb - rest as storage (and anything else i need to have - take out of storage capacity - if that makes sense)
[20:44] <jacobw> ok, resize ntfs
[20:45] <Supermanintights> that's the windows - so change it to 51200 for 50gb?
[20:45] <jacobw> yes
[20:45] <Supermanintights> use as: ?
[20:45] <jacobw> do not use
[20:46] <Supermanintights> running now
[20:46] <jacobw> make sure format is unchecked as well
[20:46] <Supermanintights> ^^
[20:46] <Supermanintights> ok, that's done
[20:46] <Supermanintights> i now have 448906mb free space
[20:46] <zleap> hello
[20:46] <jacobw> hi zleap :)
[20:47] <zleap> hi
[20:47] <zleap> how are you?
[20:47] <jacobw> add, extended partition, type ext4, use as root, size 21GB
[20:48] <Supermanintights> i can only click primary or logical?
[20:48] <jacobw> extended/logical :)
[20:48] <jacobw> i'm ok zleap, looking forward to the new year, how are you?
[20:49] <Supermanintights> is "use as root" = beginning?
[20:49] <Supermanintights> and what's the mount point?
[20:49] <Supermanintights> (if those questions are answered in what you said - and i'm being retarded - i apologise in advance)
[20:50] <zleap> same
[20:50] <jacobw> the root partition is the top of the filesystem
[20:50] <Supermanintights> so "/"?
[20:50] <Supermanintights> under mount point?
[20:50] <jacobw> yes
[20:50] <Supermanintights> and then location = beginning?
[20:50] <jacobw> yes
[20:50] <Supermanintights> done
[20:53] <Supermanintights> now it's for the swap extended?
[20:55] <Supermanintights> so far: logical, 4096, beginning, swap area, <unsure on mount point> - is that all correct?
[20:55] <jacobw> yes
[20:56] <Supermanintights> what's the mount point? "/"
[20:58] <jacobw> where is appears in the filesystem tree
[20:58] <jacobw> it*
[20:59] <jacobw> for example, if you mounted the largest partition as /mnt/storage and navigated to /mnt/storage you should see its files
[20:59] <Supermanintights> cool - so i got /sda - /sda1 - /sda5 (ext4) - swap - 423gb free space
[21:00] <jacobw> ok
[21:01] <Supermanintights> so do i do the rest now as NTFS?
[21:02] <Supermanintights> or am i missing something?
[21:02] <jacobw> see if it will create ntfs partitions
[21:02] <jacobw> i don't know whether it does
[21:02] <Supermanintights> :(
[21:03] <Supermanintights> should i create the ntfs in windows then maybe? or gparted?
[21:03] <jacobw> gparted will
[21:03] <Supermanintights> so leave as free space for now - carry on installation?
[21:03] <jacobw> yes
[21:03] <Supermanintights> installing to the /sda5 - ext4?
[21:03] <jacobw> yes
[21:04] <Supermanintights> cool
[21:04] <Supermanintights> running now
[21:04] <jacobw> my mail server working is an anticlimax :|
[21:05] <jacobw> roundcube webmail should be the next task
[21:06] <zleap> i have that running on the server i use
[21:13] <Supermanintights> jacobw - do i want to important windows 7?
[21:14] <zleap> ?
[21:14] <Supermanintights> it'll be completely empty - haven't even installed a single driver yet
[21:14] <jacobw> yes
[21:15] <Supermanintights> cool, thanks - installing now
[21:15] <zleap> you installing windows first
[21:15] <Supermanintights> yeah
[21:18] <Supermanintights> should i not be doing that zleap?  i was told to do it this way around..
[21:18] <zleap> that is fine,  i find if you have linux installed windows over writes the boot loader
[21:19] <Supermanintights> yeah, few people mentioned that - read about that as well
[21:19] <zleap> i had a problem a while back had to re-install windows, caused all sorts of problems
[21:19] <zleap> as i had dual boot its fixed but its just a pain
[21:19] <Supermanintights> ive had to install windows about 5 times so far (long story, been a PITA to sort, and taken about 10 hours of work so far over last 2 days) ad i've finally got the ball rolling
[21:20] <zleap> ah
[21:20] <zleap> last timne it messed up i found the xp repair option
[21:20] <zleap> that seemed to work without messing with the boot sector  i guess it depends on why u need to re-install
[21:21] <Supermanintights> mine kept running as GPT - tried several times to change, but eventually i got it fixed
[21:21] <zleap> GPT
[21:21] <Supermanintights> yeah
[21:21] <zleap> what does that mean
[21:21] <Supermanintights> guid partition table
[21:21] <zleap> ah
[21:25] <zleap> Supermanintights, so how many pcs u got
[21:25] <Supermanintights> erm
[21:25] <zleap> i am guessing more than 1 as you are in here adn installing at the same time
[21:25] <Supermanintights> i've stolen mums laptop while she's away
[21:25] <zleap> ah
[21:25] <zleap> lol
[21:25] <Supermanintights> i've got a pc upstairs, but no monitor
[21:26] <zleap> i got 1 old pc 1 netbook 1 emachines mini pc
[21:26] <zleap> and 1 monitor between 2 pcs
[21:26] <Supermanintights> :P
[21:27] <Supermanintights> most of my stuff is in london
[21:27] <Supermanintights> only back for xmas so just brought my laptop
[21:27] <zleap> ah
[21:27] <zleap> sounds good
[21:27] <Supermanintights> while i'm back - get rid of OSX, put windows/ubuntu on together
[21:28] <zleap> ohh sounds good
[21:28] <Supermanintights> project took FAR longer than anticipated - but it's nearly sorted now
[21:28] <zleap> sounds about par the course,
[21:28] <zleap> this is why irc is useful
[21:28] <Supermanintights> ^^
[21:29] <Supermanintights> had i been relying on websites/forums - because of massive delay between responses/no feedback - i'd have given up probably (not knowing about partition types) - and just chosen one or the other
[21:29] <jacobw> irc > forums
[21:30] <zleap> this channel is usually quite active
[21:30] <Supermanintights> since ive arrived i've pretty much monopolised it
[21:30] <Supermanintights> so blame me :P
[21:30] <zleap> thats fine
[21:30] <zleap> i was letting jacobw help you rather than trying to have a different conversation
[21:30] <zleap> and messing things up
[21:31] <Supermanintights> :P appreciate it - i have no idea what i'm doing on this dualboot - and left to my own devices it's just going to go downhill
[21:31] <zleap> np
[21:31] <Supermanintights> just need to use gparted to put last bit as NTFS - figure out how to get everything to speak to each other - then i'm sorted :D
[21:31] <zleap> looking at the 11.10 insall it seems pretty good
[21:32] <zleap> detects stuff like previous installs and lets tyou keep them, or wipe them
[21:32] <zleap> and keeps old data and just upgrades
[21:32] <Supermanintights> sweet
[21:32] <Supermanintights> haven't used ubuntu for about 12 months now
[21:32] <zleap> ah
[21:32] <zleap> i am still on 11.04 but 2nd pc has 11.10
[21:33] <jacobw> 12.04 is where its at :p
[21:33] <zleap> it even found my user account on windows xp adn offered to import my user account stuff (data)
[21:33] <zleap> alpha 1
[21:33] <Supermanintights> can you run 12.04? what's it like?
[21:33] <zleap> you can run 12.04 but its alpha so prone to breakage etc
[21:33] <AlanBell> it is like 11.10 but better in places
[21:34] <jacobw> its alpha1 but its the next lts release so its 11.10 with newer packages
[21:34] <Supermanintights> awesome
[21:34] <zleap> AlanBell, i put up my 11.10 and 12.04 posters today at the place where my local lug meet in paignton, also left my mini flyers and some cds
[21:36] <zleap> i really hope that my e-mail to a local chairty that works in one of the poorest areas of torbay works
[21:36] <zleap> suggested they promote ubuntu and the open disc
[21:41] <zleap> hi zebedee3
[21:44] <ali1234> popey: why do you keep trolling g+ with UX posts?
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: someone has to post on there..
[21:44] <zleap> i post stuff
[21:44] <ali1234> if i wasn't busy i'd write the ultimate post explaining why everyone is wrong
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://xkcd.com/386/
[21:45] <zleap> wrong about what
[21:45] <ali1234> everything
[21:45] <zleap> in what way
[21:45] <ali1234> well
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> EVERY way
[21:45] <ali1234> everyone uses the same broken argument
[21:45] <zleap> i postged a link to a new game the other day
[21:46] <ali1234> when a new UI comes out, people who don't like it make the same argument every time: "oh great, yet another UI"
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> zleap: I post photos on it
[21:46] <ali1234> apparently when unity was released, it was a good time for "yet another UI"
[21:46] <ali1234> but when someone forks gnome, it's not
[21:46] <ali1234> but of course it depends on your perspetive
[21:46] <zleap> i would rather spend time telling people about ubuntu etc
[21:46] <ali1234> then there is the other argument that these people make:
[21:47] <ali1234> "if you want to use a crappy old desktop just use XFCE"
[21:47] <zleap> ali1234, if all you have is old hardware at least you have a choice
[21:47] <ali1234> well, given that XFCE is useless and badly maintained, i think that if there are too many UIs and some have to go (see argument 1), then XFCE should be the ones who give up and let someone else try
[21:48] <Supermanintights> so i've ust gt into the ubuntu desktop - are sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade good things to do to start off with?
[21:48] <zleap> xfce is the one that has a start menu type thing right
[21:48] <ali1234> considerng that XFCE doesn't even handle DPI correctly, and never has, and likely never will... why exactly do people continue to work on it?
[21:48] <ali1234> and what are those people even doing?
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: sure, there's update-manager if you prefer a clicky-clicky way
[21:48] <ali1234> they're certainly not making it *good*
[21:48] <jacobw> Supermanintights: yes, although update manager will handles those things for you
[21:49] <Supermanintights> which is easiest? i'm happy to leave it all to computer/ubuntu to sort, as i have no idea what to do/get
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: clicking is easier, but you already know the command, so shell is easy too as long as you know your password :)
[21:49] <ali1234> and speaking of badly maintained. does unity have a RCS that supports bisect yet?
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> http://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/bisect-plugin.html
[21:50] <zleap> as i said would rather spend my time promoting ubuntu,  but u have a point,  people dont llike change
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: as a plugin
[21:50] <Supermanintights> ali1234 - are you having a bad day? :P
[21:50] <zleap> hence the comments i guess,
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> Supermanintights: he's always this bitter :)
[21:51] <Supermanintights> fair enogh
[21:51] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. bitter
[21:51]  * jacobw makes more coffee
[21:51]  * Supermanintights wonders wat to do for food - seeing as it's now 10pm
[21:51] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: that plugin does not work.
[21:52] <zleap> what i need is more lpeople locally to me who can support it
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: so fix it
[21:52] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: it's inherantly unfixable due to the way bzr works
[21:52] <zleap> so we can provide help on a local level
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: so join the team and fix it
[21:53] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: but this is the same team that complains whenever someone else wants to start a new project instead of using an existing one
[21:53] <ali1234> the same team that constantly invents new projects that are inferior to everything else
[21:54] <jacobw> which team is this?
[21:54] <MartijnVdS> Team Not-ali1234
[21:55] <directhex> Supermanintights: just-eat.co.uk
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> \o/ just-eat
[21:56] <jacobw> just-eat.nl?
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: thuisbezorgd.nl is the same place I think?
[21:57] <MartijnVdS> oh no they're pizza.co.uk
[21:57] <MartijnVdS> I order something about once a year :)
[22:05] <zleap> wb ubuntubhoy
[22:07] <ubuntubhoy> cheers
[22:07] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[22:09] <archie> anyone there
[22:09] <zleap> me
[22:09] <archie> can you help with burning cds
[22:10] <zleap> may be able to
[22:10] <archie> well i got a .iso file and i burnt it to a cd
[22:10] <zleap> have you tried right click burn to cd
[22:10] <archie> but it dosent boot it
[22:10] <zleap> ok
[22:10] <archie> i loaded in the cd
[22:10] <AlanBell> how did you burn it?
[22:10] <archie> then clicked write to disk
[22:10] <AlanBell> on Ubuntu?
[22:10] <zleap> if your using brassero  try burning at a lower speed
[22:11] <AlanBell> and is the .iso a bootable CD?
[22:11] <zleap> click properties you can change the write speed
[22:11] <archie> hang on
[22:11] <archie> yeah
[22:11] <archie> and im off to get more disks
[22:11] <zleap> ok
[22:13] <archie> right its loading in now
[22:13] <zleap> k
[22:13] <zleap> archie, out of interest you have told the computer bios to boot from cd right
[22:13] <archie> yeah
[22:14] <archie> lol i have some knolege of computers its just linux
[22:14] <archie> its new to me
[22:14] <zleap> thats ok, sounds obvious but its usually the most obvious that gets overlooked
[22:14] <archie> lol
[22:14] <AlanBell> so you are using Ubuntu to burn a CD of an Ubuntu .iso you downloaded right?
[22:14] <zleap> e,.g  network problerms,
[22:14] <zleap> check cable is plugged in really helps
[22:15] <archie> i click burn to disk with brasso or whatever
[22:15] <archie> then it comes up with a disk on the launcher and i cant click it then it goes away
[22:16] <archie> no
[22:16] <archie> ive allready got them
[22:16] <archie> there next
[22:16] <archie> im getting a multi operating
[22:16] <archie> with windws xp
[22:16] <zleap> ok
[22:17] <zleap> so right now u have dual boot windows and linux or just have windows
[22:17] <archie> ill try load up brasso
[22:17] <archie> then do it from there
[22:17] <zleap> ok
[22:19] <AlanBell> archie: so is it an Ubuntu 11.10 iso or 12.04 or something?
[22:20] <archie> im on umm
[22:20] <archie> hang on
[22:21] <archie> 11.10
[22:21] <zleap> ok
[22:21] <zleap> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ if it helps
[22:21] <archie> is 12 that one with the launcher in the bottom
[22:21] <archie> no i have the thing
[22:21] <archie> its a .iso that you burn to a dvd isnt it
[22:21] <zleap> 12,04 is the development version
[22:22] <archie> oh
[22:22] <zleap> normal ubuntu fits on a cd
[22:22] <archie> ah
[22:22] <AlanBell> so what is the iso you are burning? I want confirmation that it is a bootable iso!
[22:22] <archie> im burning xp to a dvd
[22:22] <archie> xp is
[22:22] <archie> is
[22:22] <archie> iso
[22:22] <zleap> i thought u were burning ubuntyu
[22:22] <AlanBell> err, well we can't support that
[22:22] <archie> ugh
[22:23] <archie> i only want a bootable dvd
[22:23] <AlanBell> well if you take an ubuntu .iso and write it to CD or DVD then it boots
[22:23] <zleap> is this a legal copy of windows if its an iso
[22:23] <archie> maybe
[22:23] <archie> idc
[22:24] <zleap> ok
[22:24] <AlanBell> !warez
[22:24] <archie> its not pirated
[22:24] <Azelphur> you can download the windows iso from microsoft.com now can't you?
[22:24] <archie> its legal from the windows website
[22:24] <zleap> ok thats fine
[22:25] <archie> im gonna be restarting in a minute
[22:25] <zleap> sometimes piracted copies you can't do stuff so ruling out that is one step to helping i guess
[22:25] <archie> i didnt have any problems with windows
[22:26] <AlanBell> can you download a bootable .iso or is it just service packs and things?
[22:26] <archie> its an iso
[22:26] <AlanBell> doesn't mean it is bootable :)
[22:26] <archie> aww
[22:26] <archie> its from microsoft and they say its bootabel
[22:26] <AlanBell> my best of Queen CD I got for christmas is a CD but it isn't bootable
[22:27] <archie> but are the files .iso
[22:27] <archie> and is there only one file
[22:27] <AlanBell> a .iso file is an image of a CD filesystem, if I used dd to copy my best of queen CD to disk it would be a .iso
[22:28] <archie> oh
[22:28] <AlanBell> there wouldn't be separate tracks for Bohemian Rhapsody etc
[22:28] <archie> but its from microsoft
[22:28] <AlanBell> yeah, you would be better off with a Queen CD
[22:28] <archie> i sense argument
[22:28] <AlanBell> ;)
[22:29] <AlanBell> give us a link to the download page so we can see what it is you have
[22:29] <archie> ugh
[22:29] <archie> its gone
[22:29] <archie> go to the microsoft website
[22:29] <archie> and its xp
[22:29] <zleap> they don't support xp any more iirc
[22:29] <archie> orly
[22:30] <archie> go to the website
[22:30] <AlanBell> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/downloads/windows-xp there is the service pack, but no bootable iso I can see
[22:31] <Supermanintights> lol
[22:31] <Supermanintights> just read all that - amusing dialogue then
[22:33] <AlanBell> another one bites the dust ;)
[22:34] <zleap> i mean with direct updates
[22:34] <Supermanintights> [22:27] <AlanBell> a .iso file is an image of a CD filesystem, if I used dd to copy my best of queen CD to disk it would be a .iso
[22:34] <Supermanintights> [22:28] <archie> oh
[22:34] <Supermanintights> [22:28] <AlanBell> there wouldn't be separate tracks for Bohemian Rhapsody etc
[22:34] <Supermanintights> [22:28] <archie> but its from microsoft
[22:34] <Supermanintights> [22:28] <AlanBell> yeah, you would be better off with a Queen CD - cracked me up big time
[22:35] <jacobw> #ubuntu-uk is very similar to ##windows :|
[22:35] <christel> haha
[22:36] <christel> easily confused indeed
[22:36] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:37] <AlanBell> can anyone help me get my Queen CD to boot?
[22:38]  * jacobw is disturbed by the idea of an OS designed by Brian May
[22:39] <Supermanintights> hmm... everytime you try to click shutdown - a message pops up saying "don't!!! stop me now!  I'm having a good time, don't wanna stop at alllllll"
[22:39] <jacobw> ha, you've reminded of the gnome3 'no shutdown button' stupidity
[22:39] <jacobw> me*
[22:39] <Supermanintights> ooohh? what's this?
[22:40] <brobostigon> is it possible, to have too much dark, dairy free, chocolate at once?
[22:40] <jacobw> in gnome3 there is no shutdown button
[22:41] <jacobw> you have to log out and then shutdown from the login screen
[22:41] <Supermanintights> irritating
[22:41] <Supermanintights> id get bored of that and just hold the off button
[22:41] <jacobw> one of the many ways they've made gnome3 better
[22:44]  * jacobw is excited about the new sherlock series
[22:44] <jacobw> i've already seen the new film, its great :)
[22:44] <mattt> jacobw: oooh, when?
[22:44] <jacobw> 01.01.12
[22:44] <mattt> woot!
[22:45]  * AlanBell has it on series record
[22:46] <Supermanintights> what's the best mail app
[22:46] <Supermanintights> the ubuntu mail program, or is there another?
[22:47] <Supermanintights> i'll be wanting to use calendars, mail (multiple accounts) etc.
[22:47] <jacobw> what do you mean by the ubuntu mail program?
[22:47] <Supermanintights> whatever comes installed with the operating system/
[22:47] <jacobw> if you're using 11.10 that would be thunderbird
[22:47] <jacobw> iirc its evolution in 11.04
[22:47] <Supermanintights> which is better - thunderbird or evol?
[22:48] <jacobw> evolution is old and stupid
[22:49] <jacobw> thunderbird is under active development and is much faster
[22:49] <Supermanintights> hmm, ok
[22:49] <jacobw> there's also kmail which is part of kde pim
[22:50] <Supermanintights> if i want to have one that works well with calendars which is best?
[22:51] <jacobw> what do you mean by calendars? local calendars or ical/caldav or google calendars?
[22:51] <Supermanintights> both
[22:51] <Supermanintights> i run an appartments company - all of my itinary's are done through ical's from airbnb, and i also run my own personal local calendars
[22:51] <Supermanintights> ideally i want something that is seamless with mail so i can put X mail as a todo really easily and quickly
[22:52] <jacobw> evolution supports google calendars as does thunderbird through an add on
[22:52] <Supermanintights> hmm, what about ical - i don't really go through google calendars
[22:53] <jacobw> korganizer also supports google calendar
[22:53] <jacobw> lightning is the thunderbird add on that handles calendars
[22:54] <jacobw> most things can handle ical format
[22:54] <Supermanintights> fair enough
[22:54] <Supermanintights> thanks
[23:20] <Supermanintights> how do i create a unified inbox in thunderbird?
[23:30] <jacobw> try the back and forward buttons at the top of the left pane
[23:32] <Supermanintights> i can't see it
[23:32] <Supermanintights> no back/forward button there that i can see
[23:33] <jacobw> ok
[23:33] <jacobw> just click the top inbox and its unified
[23:33] <Supermanintights> top inbox is underneath the first inbox
[23:33] <Supermanintights> if that makes sense
[23:33] <Supermanintights> i'm using imap - but that was never a problem before
[23:35] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: haha, you found the sneaky twitter account I reserved for some point in the future that doesn't actually do anything right now :P