[00:12] <randomatix> anyone here using multitouch? I've got an Apple Magic Trackpad working with basic 1 & 2 finger gestures, and now want to enable 3 & 4 finger.
[00:16] <Daskreech> randomatix: ok.
[00:17] <Daskreech> randomatix: try #phoronix :)
[00:52] <graft> okay, so i installed gnome in order to get activity journal working, which was a mistake. So i uninstalled gnome, but now when i go to shutdown KDE, i get a black screen while it says 'shutting down in NN seconds, etc.'
[00:52] <graft> what gives?
[00:56] <Daskreech> graft: how did you unistall GNome?
[00:57] <graft> Daskreech: apt-get remove gnome-desktop, and then autoremove
[00:57] <graft> Daskreech: i didn't purge
[00:57] <Daskreech> !purekde
[01:01] <graft> why does that get rid of make?
[01:01] <graft> or gcc for that matter
[01:05] <graft> oh well... crossing my fingers and eyes
[01:15] <Daskreech> It's a bit of scorched earth
[02:16] <Daskreech> is freedektop.org down for anyone else?
[02:16] <Daskreech> freedesktop.org
[02:18] <pangolin> nope
[02:18] <Kimlaroux> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/freedesktop.org
[02:19] <Daskreech> Well yeah I can ping it but it won't give me the wiki :(
[02:23] <Daskreech> Ok responding again :)
[05:17] <phasegen> why does plasma look and function  so differently from my laptop to my netbook, and how do I make both look and act like the laptop?
[05:18] <ronnoc> phasegen: one is the Plasma Desktop interface and one is the Plasma Netbook interface?
[05:18] <Daskreech> phasegen: run plasma-desktop instead of plasma-netbook
[05:19] <ronnoc> phasegen: System Settings > Workspace Appearance > Workspace is where you change it in the last few KDE releases
[05:22] <phasegen> will try it. thank you very much. next question. why is that info so hard to find with google, and so easy to find in here?
[05:23] <Daskreech> We pay google to keep it off the air so we will have someone to talk to
[05:24] <phasegen> cool enough. good night, or morning wherever you are...
[05:25] <Daskreech> hi desti
[05:27] <deer3212> I return with the same issue: I need a software to rip a encrypted dvd
[05:27] <deer3212> dvd rip doesn't work
[05:28] <deer3212> k3b doesn't work
[05:28] <deer3212> ( is a DL dvd)
[05:29] <Daskreech> DL should not matter
[05:29] <Daskreech> k9copy ?
[05:30] <deer3212> but is does...I gused before dvd cloner ( a windows app) and worked for SL but not working for DL
[05:31] <Daskreech> maybe a hardware limitation?
[05:34] <ronnoc> Daskreech: lol
[05:35] <Daskreech> ronnoc: Hardware limitations are no laughing matter. E-viagra doesn't help. Herbal or not
[05:35] <ronnoc> Daskreech: I was laughing at your Goole comment (sorry, dealayed) :D
[05:35] <ronnoc> *google
[05:35] <Daskreech> :-)
[05:36] <deer3212> is not a hardware limitation because I am able to play the movie
[05:36] <deer3212> and k9copy just crached
[05:36] <deer3212> maybe is a new encryption
[05:37] <ronnoc> from K3b website: "Though K3b can be used to copy almost any DVD to similar medium, it does not provide a way to copy, or reproduce a double-layer DVD onto single-layer medium. Of course, there is not a program anywhere on any platform that can make an exact duplicate of a double-layer DVD onto a single-layer disk, there are programs on some platforms that can compress the data on a double-layer DVD to fit on a single-layer DVD
[05:37] <ronnoc> producing a duplicate, but compressed, image. If you need to copy the contents of a double-layer DVD to single-layer medium, you may want to look at the RMLCopyDVD package. "
[05:38] <ronnoc> maybe not applicable...but interesting nonetheless
[05:40] <deer3212> I want to copy the file locally on my external hdd, I don't want to burn another copy
[05:40] <deer3212> the idea is to play the movie from may hdd witch is already connected to my tv
[05:41] <deer3212> I hate to use a laptop as intermediary
[05:42] <Daskreech> Might be able to mount it as an ISO
[05:42] <deer3212> and BTW, k9copy doesn't do DL
[05:42] <deer3212> at lest a iso, but I am not able to create one
[05:42] <deer3212> I try with k9copy and crashed every time...   :(
[05:46] <Daskreech> deer3212: try dd if=/dev/dvd of=~/MyDVD.iso
[05:46] <ronnoc> found this about K3b as well...scroll to the very bottom it says "I have found dual layer media unreliable. This may be a mismatch between the media and burner, or it could be k3b needs more "tweaking" to burn dual layers reliably. I intend to try a different brand of media in due course, to see if it improves.
[05:46] <ronnoc> Sony seem to have used more resources than anyone else in trying to stop you copying their discs. Depending on which type of encryption/copy protection they have used, will determine whether or not you enjoy success."
[05:46] <ronnoc> http://wiki.soslug.org/wiki/copying_commercial_dvd039s
[05:47] <almoxarife> what is the the no frills just works image viewer for kde4?
[05:47] <ronnoc> almoxarife: Gwenview
[05:47] <almoxarife> thanks
[05:48] <Daskreech> I don't know about no frills :)
[05:51] <deer3212> tryied: dd: reading `/dev/dvd': Input/output error
[05:51] <deer3212> it copied only 758MB
[05:52] <Daskreech> deer3212: ha cute. Either the DVD can't be read or it's built in to error out at certain points
[05:52] <deer3212> but it can be read, if I play the movie works
[05:52] <deer3212> has to be a new encryption   :)
[05:53] <Daskreech> Yes it has bad sections of the Disk that it knowingly skips. If you try to just read directly without going through the encryption it feeds in corrupt data that will break anything elese
[05:53] <Daskreech> else
[05:54] <ronnoc> out to thwart all those Chinese people using Linux to rip Pirateable DVD's!
[05:54] <Daskreech> Curse those Chinese Penguins!
[05:56] <ronnoc> mmmhmmm
[05:57] <deer3212> you are right....
[05:59] <deer3212> let's give some time to our guys...they will come up with something  :)
[05:59] <deer3212> :)
[05:59] <Daskreech> :)
[06:01] <deer3212> thank you for your time though
[06:03] <Daskreech> 'sure
[06:05] <almoxarife> what is the closest thing to synaptic in kde4??
[06:05] <almoxarife> yes, I am slowly migrating to all kde
[06:05] <Daskreech> kpackagekit?
[06:05] <Daskreech> or Muon
[06:06] <Daskreech> or synaptic :)
[06:06] <almoxarife> synaptic is gnome backend
[06:06] <ronnoc> almoxarife: lol. well of course you can install Synaptic. There's also Muon wich is now the default it appears
[06:07] <Daskreech> Frontend
[06:07] <almoxarife> I have synaptic installed still, and yes, frontend
[06:07] <ronnoc> Are you on 11.10 Natty?
[06:07] <almoxarife> yes
[06:08] <ronnoc> I mean Oeneric (sp) >.>
[06:08] <almoxarife> yes, 11.10
[06:08] <ronnoc> ok see here about instaslling the latest Muon http://www.thebluemint.net/2011/12/muon-suite-13-beta-released-kubuntu-ppa.html
[06:08] <ronnoc> it's pretty good
[06:10] <saurabh_D> Hi, I'm using kubuntu 11.10 on x86-64 machine. I want to change window border from 'shiny blue' to anything else. Googling for solutions didn't fix my problem. Help
[06:10] <Daskreech> change the theme?
[06:11] <saurabh_D> blue color is activated by KWIN compositing not theme color :(
[06:12] <Daskreech> oh the glow?
[06:12] <saurabh_D> I've changed the border color to gray, but the shadow or glow doesn't seem to change
[06:13] <saurabh_D> Nor do I have 'shadow' plugin in 'Effects'!
[06:14] <almoxarife> I stopped seeing glow when I went from opengl to xrender
[06:14] <Daskreech> Hmm
[06:14] <ronnoc> can you change it in System Settings > Workspace Appearance > Window Decorations > Configure Decoration > Shadows?
[06:14] <almoxarife> or I am seeing less, isn't glow a desktop effect?
[06:14] <Daskreech> might ask in #kwin I'm not sure if there is a simple way to change that
[06:14] <ronnoc> there are color options there
[06:14] <Daskreech> Hm that might be true I never tried that :)
[06:15] <ronnoc> :p
[06:16] <ronnoc> that works for me
[06:16] <saurabh_D> Oh my bad, <ronnoc>'s solution fixed it. Thanks
 solution works for me, even with OpenGL. Thanks
[06:17] <ronnoc> saurabh_D: no problem. I just recently learned that myself. it's pretty hidden.
[06:18] <almoxarife> speaking of googling, this about makes it insane simple , http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2000-01/msg02637.html
[06:19] <Guest56706> How to use QQ on kubuntu?
 cool
[06:20] <almoxarife> I can't decide between opengl and xrender, which is less of a hog and not buggy?
[06:20] <almoxarife> saurabh_D: I get lost googling and forget what I was out to do in the first place
[06:21] <saurabh_D> For KDE 4.7, I haven't found anything wrong with OpenGL. Xrender causes heating up in my laptop.
[06:22] <almoxarife> I made a fix to that script btw, rather than 'openurl' use kfmclient newTab <- keeps it all on one window
[06:23] <almoxarife> saurabh_D: really? good reason then
 Xrender won't be a concern on Desktop though. OpenGL works for me.
[06:24] <almoxarife> saurabh_D: also on a laptop
[06:24] <ronnoc> for the truly lazy, you could just use http://www.googlubuntu.com/
[06:24] <randomatix>  I have a panel set to auto-hide.  It often won't unhide when I hover at that edge.  Has anyone else seen this problem?
[06:29] <almoxarife> this kde plasma desktop is what ubuntu should have defaulted to
[06:30] <almoxarife> randomatix: mouse sensitivity?
[06:31] <Guest0> Hi, I want to ask how to solve plasma crash problems?
[06:31] <randomatix> almoxarife: don't think so.  pointer will flip workspaces at that edge if I hold it there
[06:32] <Daskreech> Guest0: Gadu Gadu?
 Whenever crashed, I restart plasma from shell. "$plasma-desktop".
[06:34] <Daskreech> Guest0: depends on the crash?
[06:34] <Guest0> Sometimes while kubuntu started , I clicked the menu icon and ..
[06:34] <szal> Guest0: if that is KDE 4.7.3, use the kubuntu PPA to upgrade to 4.7.4, and Plasma crashing is history
[06:35] <Guest0> Really?
[06:35] <Daskreech> Guest0: What version of KDE?
[06:35] <randomatix> szal: do you mean the beta ppa?
[06:35] <Guest0> I'm using KDE 4.7.3
[06:35] <szal> randomatix: no, the standard PPA
[06:36] <Guest0> Last year while I was using the PPA It crashed everytime I shutdown
[06:52] <thelonelyarcher> Posted a question here last night. But missed the answer sorry. So here goes again. Does anyone know how to get native gtk2 apps like inkscape & shotwell to follow the selected widget theme, such as qtcurve? The apps default to a horrid-looking oxygen look alike.
[07:03] <Daskreech> thelonelyarcher: there is a package for that
[07:07] <thelonelyarcher> @Daskreech. Thanks. But which one is it? It's either THAT or I have to find a decent Inkscape replacement native to kde.
[07:08] <almoxarife> thelonelyarcher:    system setting > app appearance > Control the style and fonts used by GTK+ applications in KDE
[09:53] <Hordeking> Alright, what's up?
[09:54] <Hordeking> almoxarife: I'm here
[09:55] <almoxarife> I was in your shoes about 4 months back, no way I was going to try to make the new ubuntu work, then I played with plasma-desktop, it's the gnome that went missing
[09:55] <Hordeking> I did figure out how to get gnome back, and uninstalled unity. Yuck. It might be okay if I had a touchscreen or something.
[09:55] <almoxarife> Hordeking: you keep up to date kernel, everything is configurable again, my desktop looks the same as before even
[09:56] <Hordeking> Well, configuring things doesn't seem to be a problem.
[09:56] <Hordeking> I can't see why wireless is going down so badly.
[09:57] <Hordeking> almoxarife: What's the url?
[09:57] <Hordeking> For plasma desktop?
[09:57] <almoxarife> Hordeking: url for?
[09:58] <almoxarife> its a variation of kubuntu, kde4
[09:58] <almoxarife> I did add a ppa for it, let me find it
[10:01] <Hordeking> Would the official kubuntu have the same wireless issue?
[10:03] <almoxarife> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu <-- that is what I used to get on plasma-desktop
[10:03] <Hordeking> Is plasma-desktop pretty much a desktop environment?
[10:04] <almoxarife> yeap, completely configurable, like old gnome
[10:04] <Hordeking> How would that solve my problem keeping the wifi connected?
[10:04] <almoxarife> and eats less resources, I am down to 398 at startup with opengl
[10:05] <Hordeking> I might definitely try it.
[10:05] <almoxarife> Hordeking: it may it may not, it does use its own network-management
[10:05] <Hordeking> almoxarife: Do you think it's a network manager issue?
[10:06] <almoxarife> Hordeking: no, I think it's a combo of your hardware and router issues, you use g?
[10:07] <almoxarife> Hordeking: wifi goes to shit mostly because all the wifi defaults to one channel, usually (4), you can't believe how many people around me are all on (4), so I am on the least used
[10:07] <Hordeking> I have seen some people suspect it, and somehow rolled their network manager version to Natty. But I don't know how.
[10:08] <El-Hrairah> almoxarife: Do you think it's a network manager issue?
[10:08] <El-Hrairah> I have seen some people suspect it, and somehow rolled their network manager version to Natty. But I don't know how.
[10:08] <almoxarife> El-Hrairah: wifi?
[10:08] <El-Hrairah> almoxarife: It just went down, I had to reconnect it.
[10:09] <almoxarife> what channel is your router wifi set to?
[10:10] <hellBender> It goes down a lot.
[10:11] <almoxarife> El-Hrairah: and as far as 11.10, when I am on wifi in the house I use (n), it works fine till I am back on the channel with the rest of the neighbors, that's how I know I am, my wifi goes to crap
[10:12] <Hordekimg> I wonder if there's a channel issue...my neighbor has wifi, but it's theoretically out of range, though I can see it on the network manager
[10:13] <almoxarife> Hordekimg: how many sids do you see?
[10:13] <almoxarife> Hordekimg: you don't want to be on the same channel as your neighbor
[10:13] <Hordekimg> I see a belkin and a d-link. I have absolutely no clue where they are.
[10:14] <Hordekimg> My neighbor's house is something like 300 feet away, and the house past that is about another 300 feet
[10:14] <almoxarife> Hordekimg: change the channel on the router to (8)g , no one uses it
[10:14] <Hordekimg> Let me see if I can do that...
[10:14] <almoxarife> Hordekimg: should have a web interface with the router
[10:15] <r3v0> 45 mins till 2012
[10:15] <almoxarife> r3v0: 22.45 here, where are you?
[10:16] <r3v0> New Zealand
[10:16] <r3v0> Its 11:16 here
[10:16] <almoxarife> r3v0: happy new year coming
[10:16] <almoxarife> its 2am here
[10:16] <r3v0> You too almoxarife
[10:16] <almoxarife> the NW of the US
[10:17] <r3v0> Wut I'm a bit drunk
[10:17] <almoxarife> cool :) tiz the night for it
[10:18] <r3v0> Yeah I'm more than a bit too
[10:20] <almoxarife> r3v0: don't drive, otherwise keep sharp stuff away from where you may fall
[10:22] <r3v0> yeah
[10:22] <r3v0> im not that totaled yet
[10:33] <ubuntu> hi
[10:46] <jubo2> Supreme Cheeze Commander Fondue Commiemist Question...
[11:03] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone here familiar in reading S.M.A.R.T data?
[11:06] <almoxarife> phoenix_firebrd: looking at mine I hope to see little of the red highlighted items and lots of green
[11:08] <phoenix_firebrd> almoxarife: what is the software you use to read smaet data?
[11:09] <almoxarife> phoenix_firebrd: I am guessing you are not on ubuntu/kubuntu
[11:10] <phoenix_firebrd> i am on kubuntu
[11:10] <phoenix_firebrd> using smartctl to read data
[11:11] <phoenix_firebrd> almoxarife:  my smart data http://paste.ubuntu.com/788738/
[11:11] <almoxarife> phoenix_firebrd: I used gnome-disk-utility last to look at it
[11:12] <phoenix_firebrd> almoxarife: is there a kde app?
[11:12] <almoxarife> I am sure there is
[11:49] <jostick> hey, maybe some can give me a hint: I'm using Kubuntu 11.10. A few days ago, my ALT-TAB is broken. It doesn't reliably "walk through windows" anymore. It works every 4-5 attempts. In the other cases my currently focused window will just lose focus. And sometimes the command runner opens containing a TAB. Any ideas?
[11:51] <jostick> I did try a few thing, but nothing seems to help. It happens for all users on the system. Thus I guess removing .kde won't help anything...
[12:05] <wth_happened> Now, I've been doing other things for a while, but login/password are still stored in passwd/shadow, right?
[12:06] <wth_happened> So, how come I no longer have my login name in those files? Have I been hacked?
[12:09] <wth_happened> Nevermind, seem to have mounted the wrong drive. *blush*
[12:10] <wth_happened> And isn't root supposed to be disabled in 'shadow'
[12:11] <wth_happened> Bah. Another time. NOT new years eve.
[12:28] <soee> is there an app for audio file vonvert   with qt interface ?
[12:30] <thorGT> Hello everybody!
[12:30] <thorGT> Happy New Year!
[12:32] <Peace-> soee: to covnerte files?
[12:32] <Peace-> convert?
[12:32] <soee> yeah, found some i think
[12:32] <soee> soundKonverter
[12:32] <Peace-> yes
[12:32] <Peace-> it is the best
[12:34] <thorGT> does anybody know if Project Neon is still running?
[12:35] <Peace-> thorGT: of course
[12:35] <Peace-> !neon
[12:36] <Peace-> thorGT: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[12:36] <thorGT> Peace-: thank you, this is nice news, indeed
[12:37] <Peace-> thorGT: actualli i have used  it ,  on kdm you get  neon session and your own session , i mean what you get installing kubuntu standard
[12:38] <thorGT> Peace-: that's even better.
[12:38] <Peace-> thorGT: yes it is installed on /opt/project-neon
[12:39] <u19809> My entire kmail2 folder is empty ... how can I get them back ????
[12:39] <Peace-> thorGT: so your installantion is not  overwritten by project-neon installation
[12:39] <thorGT> well, I will try it out myself then. Although I mainly use source KDE builds, there's a KUbuntu derivative in development, focused on polishing the KDE desktop, that needs nightly builds for the average users.
[12:40] <thorGT> does Neon provide daily builds, or a build in a few days? Is there a strict timetable?
[12:40] <Peace-> thorGT: i am on kde 4.8 rc1
[12:41] <Peace-> thorGT: well i guess it's daily build
[12:45] <almoxarife> I use ksystem-log to monitor a network machine, is it possible to give it its own tab/log-collection icon?
[12:46] <soee> :D
[12:46] <soee> set ~ 500 files to convert and open in new Dolphin direcotry where it happens :D nice show
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:42] <irc0> I'm using KDE 4.7.4. And rekonq crashes frequently. Is there a solution?
[14:44] <BluesKaj> irc0, perhaps a different browser , reckonq still needs some development
[14:46] <irc0> And I want to ask how to clear the history in quassel IRC?
[14:47] <Peace-> irc0: install chromium or firefox
[14:47] <Peace-> rekonq sucks
[14:49] <irc0> Can anyone answer that?
[14:51] <who_me> did you see the ones that were suggesting installing either firefox or chromium ?
[14:51] <irc0> I'm saying how to clear the history in quassel IRC.
[14:53]  * BluesKaj checks quassel , for history
[14:58] <irc0> What does that mean?
[15:00] <BluesKaj> irc0, couldn't find any history
[15:02] <irc0> I mean while I close quassel and open it again my talk records are still there.
[15:06] <BluesKaj> irc0, /join #quassel
[15:19] <BluesKaj> manifold, check your connection please , you're flooding the chat
[15:21] <BluesKaj> Pici, are you available? this manifold__ guy keeps changing his nick and flooding the channel
[15:25] <BluesKaj> pangolin, are you available? this manifold guy keeps changing his nick and flooding the channel
[16:14] <whyking> hi
[16:14] <whyking> I installed openjdk and all other packages such as jre and icedtea, but I have not java runtime
[16:16] <Peace-> !java
[16:18] <BluesKaj> openjdk-7-jre, whyking
[16:31] <whyking> BluesKaj: no luck
[16:32] <BluesKaj> whyking, describe "no luck"
[16:32] <whyking> BluesKaj: still no java binary
[16:34] <whyking>  /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk-i386/bin/java exists
[16:34] <whyking> but for some reason it's not linked
[16:34] <whyking> or not in the path
[16:34] <BluesKaj> it's not linking in the browser ?
[16:35] <whyking> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1858568.html
[16:35] <whyking> someone with the same issue
[16:35] <whyking> BluesKaj: browser is not the problem
[16:35] <whyking> jdownloader didn't work
[16:36] <BluesKaj> ahh
[17:20] <Torch> whyking: i have the packages openjdk-6-jre and openjdk-6-jre-headless installed for java runtime
[17:20] <whyking> Torch: but v7 shouldn't also provide that, no?
[17:22] <Torch> whyking: i would agree, yes. but i can't tell for sure.
[17:22] <Torch> whyking: do you have the -headless package?
[17:23] <whyking> yes
[17:23] <whyking> I fixed it now, thanks
[17:23] <whyking> it just wasn't linked for some reason
[17:31] <BluesKaj> whyking, IIRC java nad flash are installed with kubuntu estricted extras , but it contains a lot of legacy 32bit flash plu,gin wrappers and other non-essentials for 64bit systems which is just clutter IMO .I removed kubuntu-restricted-extras and installed 64 bit flash from adobe and java from the repos ..all seems well so far
[18:26] <phoenix_firebrd> happy newyear to all
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Happy New Year , phoenix_firebrd
[18:53] <phoenix_firebrd> happy new year BluesKaj :)
[19:24] <saurabh_D> b
[19:25] <saurabh_D> Happy New Year.
[19:26] <saurabh_D> Long Live KDE!
[19:51] <babalu> which gui can i use on kde to decompress multipart zip files? i've tried opening myfile.zip.001 on ark, it's loading archive, but then it's failing
[19:54] <Resistance> did you try right clicking and just hitting "Extract"
[19:54] <Resistance> ?
[19:54] <Resistance> that's worked for me :P
[19:55] <Resistance> (and when that fails, i keep a Windows VM handy for WinRAR and stuff)
[20:32] <wohnpal> hi!
[20:33] <wohnpal> just did a fresh install kubuntu 11.10, then started up, everything went fine, I started updating (120 mb or so), the update program (muon I guess) hung after 57% installation of the downloaded updates, I reinstalled, started updating again, same thing... 57%....
[20:34] <wohnpal> what is going wrong?
[20:35] <wohnpal> anyone here?
[20:35] <who_me> what happens if you do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:35] <who_me> in konsole
[20:36] <wohnpal> one moment
[20:36] <wohnpal> at the moment probably nothing because the updater is still running, but I will kill it
[20:36] <wohnpal> ps
[20:37] <who_me> yeah if that is still running that apt-get will complain :)
[20:37] <wohnpal> at the moment I can't even start programs, they are "not there" in the menu
[20:37] <who_me> alt + F2 and write: konsole
[20:39] <wohnpal> well yesterday I restarted the computer and I could not start up muon again because it was locked somehow
[20:40] <who_me> tbh I have no problems with muon, mainly because I uninstalled it as fast as I could and use either command line or synaptic :)
[20:41] <wohnpal> yeah.. what I don't understand about muon is that the search function is not working.. I tried searching for firestarter, it didn't find it, although it was in the index.. I think I will just reinstall and do the update over synatpic
[20:43] <wohnpal> it says dpkg was interrupted and now i have to configure it...
[20:43] <wohnpal> sux
[20:43] <wohnpal> I will just reinstall
[20:44] <wohnpal> again
[20:44] <wohnpal> what never ceases to astonish me is how even in relatively "mature" distros like ubutnu and kubuntu so many OBVIOUS bugs are in there
[20:45] <wohnpal> i mean.. how can they put in junk like muon which does not even survive the first update cycle...
[20:45] <tsimpson> wohnpal: just run "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[20:45] <wohnpal> just did that
[20:45] <wohnpal> so muon and synaptic are all frontends to dpkg
[20:45] <wohnpal> ?
[20:45] <tsimpson> pretty much, yeah
[20:45] <tsimpson> everything revolves around dpkg
[20:45] <tsimpson> even apt is a front-end to dpkg
[20:46] <wohnpal> why is kubuntu better as debian?
[20:47] <wohnpal> never tried debian, but if all the functionality is derived from debian, I might as well install debian
[20:47] <tsimpson> kubuntu is generally easier to configure/run than plain debian
[20:47] <tsimpson> the main point of the Ubuntu distributions is to make Debian easy to use for "everyone"
[20:48] <who_me> with *ubuntu some things "just works" (tm) while on Deb you might need to work a bit more to get things done :)
[20:48] <tsimpson> but, if you like to poke around and play with things, you should play around with Debian some time, it's fun :)
[20:48] <who_me> like installing the binary drivers for Nvidia or AMD/ATI cards
[20:48] <wohnpal> ah no, I just want it to work... I have some actual work to do on the computer
[20:49] <tsimpson> I used Debian before moving to Kubuntu, right now I just want my system to "Just Work"
[20:49] <wohnpal> :)
[20:49] <wohnpal> just work sounds fine
[20:50] <who_me> I still keep 10.04 LTS for actual work, using Kubuntu Oneiric to help hunt bugs as this seems to be what I'll be using on 10.04 goes EOL
[20:50] <wohnpal> I used libreoffice 2 weeks ago to do a presentation.. after 45 minutes of work, it just crashed, everything was gone, that never happened to me in the last couple of years in MS office.. immediately reboot into my windows system and did the presentation there.. unfortunately the office suites are just not there!!
[20:50] <who_me> wohnpal: did you save often ? :P
[20:51] <tsimpson> libreoffice is what I class as bloat-ware, I tend to avoid it and just use plain-text and google docs
[20:51] <wohnpal> i used ubuntu, but now that they have introduced the iphone user garbage I deleted it... I want a bar in the bottom of my screen
[20:51] <who_me> :D
[20:52] <wohnpal> well.. It's a shame linux still cannot offer a reliable office suite... it is the most important thing if you actually want to do some work. and no, I did not save... I totally forgot about that stuff using MS office!!
[20:52] <who_me> wohnpal: luckily ubuntu offers choices: Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu
[20:52] <who_me> wohnpal: you are not forced to use either
[20:53] <tsimpson> doesn't it offer auto-save? (I haven't used it in so long I don't remember)
[20:53] <wohnpal> yeah.... well I liked gnome, I was abhorred by kde some years ago because it crashed all the time, and so did all the major applications... it seems to have improved very much now, it does not crash anymore!!
[20:53] <who_me> MS Office does save often, but automatically
[20:53] <wohnpal> well libreoffice = openoffice, it's all the same
[20:53] <wohnpal> all garbage
[20:54] <wohnpal> little things.. if I import an image from the web in a .doc file in MS office, the image is saved IN the document.. in libreoffice it merely saves a link and the image cannot be shown without an internet connection or if the original source is no longer there... tried for hours to fix that.. to no avail... GARBAGE!
[20:54] <who_me> and there is a setting in Libre that allows to set the interval to save recovery info. The default is 15 minutes but you can set it to 3,5, 10 etc
[20:55] <wohnpal> it shouldn't crash in the first place!!
[20:55] <wohnpal> haha
[20:56] <who_me> I've had Office 2007 crash merrily on me, but always recovered fine because it does "save often"
[20:57] <tsimpson> you want to talk about crashes, I was setting up a new laptop for my mother over christmas, it can with Windows 7. I was _only_ transpiring files over the network from the old laptop to the new one and got a lovely blue screen of death on the new (less than an hour old) laptop
[20:57] <tsimpson> that's a crash...
[20:57] <who_me> from my POV saving data like images and sound and movies in a "doc" file is a big no-no...
[21:00] <who_me> wohnpal: best parctice, no matter what office suite is, once you've done what you want to a document, save a PDF version of it. That will include your images and whatnot and will display the same no matter where you view it
[21:00] <who_me> I've had doc files display diff when I was trying to display it on another computer where I used to work
[21:01] <who_me> it would display fine on my machine and have some weird formatting on the other
[21:03] <wohnpal> well windows is definetely garbage now... even my dad is considering installing kubuntu now!!!
[21:03] <wohnpal> and he is retired and has worked with windows ever since it came out
[21:03] <who_me> :D my windows 7 install is very well behaved
[21:04] <wohnpal> well if it weren't for the office suite I would not use windows at all...
[21:04] <who_me> the only times I've seen W7 fail was faulty drivers or HW
[21:04] <who_me> wohnpal: I also play some games that work best on windows :)
[21:05] <who_me> trust me, dual-booting is a good thing
[21:06] <who_me> wohnpal: honestly I'm quite amazed how well stuff we get now for free works
[21:13] <BluesKaj> wohnpal, .I worked with windows since it was added to msdos and before , I'm also retired and have been using linux of and on since 1996 at home .
[21:13] <BluesKaj> off and on
[21:14] <BluesKaj> no more windows on any of my pcs here , wife has W7 on hers ...it helps me keep up with what's going on in the windows world
[21:16] <who_me> it really depends on what one needs
[21:16] <BluesKaj> wohnpal, your dad will enjoy Linux , I'm sure :)
[21:17] <who_me> I managed to build a nice system for a dude that plays Counter Strike all day. Built a beefier system with the money I saved by not buying Windows.
[21:17] <BluesKaj> a lot of linuxers aren't serious gamers ...most gamers don't care about OSes , they just want a platform to run them
[21:17] <who_me> exactly
[21:18] <who_me> I installed stuff he needed, explained how it worked and he seems very happy
[21:22] <who_me> the fact that wine works as well as it does amazes me. PlayOnLinux and Crossover Games are awesome to help simplify wine usage.
[21:25] <BluesKaj> no wine or playonlinux here , just a media server for our tv/audio room , connected to a HT receiver and a plasma tv, which I use as a monitor
[21:26] <BluesKaj> an old geforce 7600gt card for video and m-audio soundcard for digital spdif out
[21:27] <who_me> very cool\
[21:29] <BluesKaj> pc and tv/audio integration is already here
[21:30] <BluesKaj> my son doesn't use cable or sat service ...all internet ..not even any ota to the tv
[21:30] <who_me> I wish I could leave my cable company but I can't... I do not have use for theri services but mom does
[21:30] <who_me> their*
[21:31] <who_me> I watch content online, get my news bits online, I really don't care about television as it is today
[21:32] <BluesKaj> yeah , we're all bundled up with phone. internet and tv from one provider
[21:32] <BluesKaj> fixed income requires fixed costs :)
[21:32] <who_me> I actually managed to avoid that. Phones are on pre-paid , tv is from a diff provider as is internet
[21:33] <who_me> but we're a small country.. easier to cover :)
[21:33] <BluesKaj> large country here ,  Canada , not so easy :)
[21:34] <who_me> yeh
[21:35] <BluesKaj> more expensive too ..not enuff ppl to spread the costs
[21:40] <who_me> I just browsed the various TV channels that "matter" here and what their shows for New Year's Eve just suck. Reek of bad taste and ppl with no manners.
[21:50] <afzm> hola
[21:50] <afzm> feliz ano
[22:06] <BluesKaj> , Happy New Year All ! , see you next year :)
[23:00] <MaxHR> Hello, I am getting the following message: The server failed the authenticity check (www.genericsecuresite.com). The certificate authority's certificate is invalid
[23:00] <MaxHR> The root certificate authority's certificate is not trusted for this purpose The certificate cannot be verified for internal reasons
[23:00] <FloodBotK2> MaxHR: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:02] <MaxHR> I also get a similar message from Muon when trying to install new packages...
[23:03] <MaxHR> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789249/
[23:03] <MaxHR> How can I fix this problem with Kubuntu thinking the security certs are not valid for websites and for repos?
[23:10] <jschall> i get a lot of tearing in video playback with my gtx 560m. i used to play the same videos on my desktop with an older and slower 8800gts and a slower processor and did not have any issues with video playback, ever. the only video playback case in which i don't get bad tearing is vdpau with compositing off. i have vsync checked in kwin's settings, i have it checked in nvidia-settings for xv and opengl. any ideas?
[23:22] <MaxHR> Can someone please tell me how to update the security certs on kubuntu?