[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha JWColeman
[00:03] <MrChrisDruif> !audio
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm...Y U not show LXDE type audio settings? ^_^
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif> JWColeman; what kind of tutorials did you try already?
[00:05] <JWColeman> mrChrisDruif: currently I'm booted up in windows, i can't seem to connect to the wireless here at the coffee house in lubuntu, but I can in windows, strange, but im not sure why that isn't working
[00:05] <JWColeman> mrchrisdruif I've tried the gentoo wiki let me see if I can find the link for it
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> What kind of wireless have you got? Broadcom?
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> wireless chip*
[00:06] <JWColeman> yeah it's broadcom and i got the drivers for it, its a proprietary driver, and i could connect to other wireless okay, but not this one in the coffee house im at
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> Awkward
[00:06] <JWColeman> let me reboot and try it
[00:06] <JWColeman> be back in 5 or so
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> Which Lubuntu are you running btw?
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> Latest?
[00:06] <JWColeman> 10.04
[00:07] <JWColeman> i know there's 10.10 i think, but it said it was kinda testy
[00:07] <JWColeman> let me reboot into lubuntu
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> There's even 11.10 now!
[00:07] <JWColeman> ill see if i can get back online from there
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> =P
[00:07] <JWColeman> maybe thjats why nothing works hahaha
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, might help ^_^
[00:08] <JWColeman> im rebooting, be back in like 5
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> Even thou it's an LTS, there haven't been any dot releases for it, nor a lot of packages updated afaik
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> Good lcuk
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> luck*
[00:17] <JWColeman> okay I'm back, no my wireless didn't work on lubuntu again, but works fine in xp, and I'm able to connect to other wireless networks
[00:17] <JWColeman> let me download the latest version and stick in on my flash drive for an update
[00:18] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, seems like a good idea ^_^
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> Do read the release notes!!
[00:19] <JWColeman> actually i have 11.04, not 11.10
[00:19] <JWColeman> i thought it was 10
[00:19] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, just one version behind
[00:20] <JWColeman> if i could get everything to work on lubuntu i coudl finally delete this memory hog xp
[00:20] <JWColeman> my mini 1010 is stuck at 1 gig of memory
[00:20] <MrChrisDruif> Also, I heard recently that someone had it installation hang when he selected "download updates while installing" (or was it the first screen where it said the installer needed an update?)
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[00:21] <MrChrisDruif> I'm having a go again tomorrow at my brothers place
[00:22] <MrChrisDruif> JWColeman; anyhow, it's 1:30 AM here (almost), so I'm off to bed
[00:23] <JWColeman> alrighty, is there a way for me to upgrade to 11.10 without reinstalling the wh?ole thing
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> I think you even get that option when you run the installer
[00:23] <MrChrisDruif> It'll detect the current installation
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm really off now!! Bye!
[00:24] <JWColeman> lol
[00:25] <JWColeman> no i had 10.04, not 11.04
[00:25] <JWColeman> thats terrible, how oculd i make such asilly mistake
[00:44] <JWColeman> any other mini 1010 users out there? (dell)
[00:44] <stlsaint> nope
[00:46] <rhin0> just loaded it -- 11.10 - pls - when you minimize stuff on ubuntu it minimizes to a bar at the bottom of the screen -- can't see minimized windows .. also - the "minimize all" applet -- doesn't minimize/mazimize all (revealing desktop) when you click on it
[00:49] <rhin0> i'll figure it - is just different
[00:57] <]Spectre[> ciao
[01:31] <JWColeman> hey im trying to install lubuntu 11.10, I already have 10.04 installed, can i boot with a usb and delete the 10.04 version and install fresh that way?
[01:32] <JWColeman> im able to boot fine with the usb, but it appears to be the old 10.04 install screen, and not the new one, every time i hit enter for install it goes to a command line, as well as try before you install, both go to command line and im not sure what to do afterht hat
[01:32] <JWColeman> should i try the alternate iso?
[01:45] <JWColeman> after reading the release notes, yeah, i think that's what i gotta do
[04:38] <genoobie> hey all
[04:38] <genoobie> trying to remove items from "start" menu and set some defaults
[04:38] <genoobie> having a bit of a problem though
[04:40] <holstein> genoobie: you mean applications and services that automatically start when you boot? and you want to stop them from starting?
[04:40] <genoobie> no holstein more like
[04:40] <genoobie> I accidentally have two "dolphins"
[04:40] <genoobie> in my "system tools" menu
[04:42] <holstein> genoobie: thats just the menu... nothing to do with startup... http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1265
[04:42] <genoobie> holstein, tx
[06:07] <genoobie> hey again
[06:07] <genoobie> I installed dolphin as the FM and I kind of like it
[06:08] <genoobie> how can I change it so that lxde uses dolphin instead of pcmanfm
[06:08] <genoobie> (the problem with pcman was mapping network drives)
[07:17] <holstein> i would assume you can remove PCman... check out http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/529 and see if you can use that to implement dolphin instead of nautilus genoobie
[08:31] <Linux4UnMe> hi guys. Is there any tutorials on how to theme lxdm ?
[08:31] <Linux4UnMe>  there is this    http://blog.lxde.org/?p=595
[08:31] <Linux4UnMe> but no info on how to do it
[08:31] <Linux4UnMe> su
[08:52] <mysteriousdarren> Linux4UnMe; designing a theme?
[08:56] <mysteriousdarren> your better off checking this out http://box-look.org/
[08:57] <mysteriousdarren> openbox
[09:14] <smile> hi :)
[10:49] <]Spectre[> Hii
[10:50] <mysteriousdarren> hi
[10:50] <]Spectre[> hi mysteriousdarren
[10:50] <smile> hi :DD
[10:50] <]Spectre[> hi smile
[10:50] <smile> ]Spectre[: strange name :D
[10:51] <mysteriousdarren> goodmorning or evening depending on where you are..
[10:51] <]Spectre[> smile : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPECTRE
[10:51] <]Spectre[> ;)
[10:51] <]Spectre[> you too mysteriousdarren
[10:52] <smile> haha!! :D
[10:52] <smile> rebooting :D
[10:52] <MrChrisDruif> ]Spectre[; Aloha
[10:52] <mysteriousdarren> Spectre like the comic book character?
[10:54] <]Spectre[> mysteriousdarren:  more or less
[10:54] <mysteriousdarren> well some call me the Informationalist if that helps any
[10:55] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow people, does anyone have issues?
[10:55] <MrChrisDruif> I refer to #lubuntu-offtopic for general chat ^_^
[10:56] <]Spectre[> yes, MrChrisDruif is right,sorry
[10:56] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[11:03] <]Spectre[> no issues with lubuntu
[11:07] <mysteriousdarren> Spectre: well seems like the channel seems pretty dead
[11:09] <Thorne> Does anybody know how do I disable the long wait for network configuration?
[11:09] <Thorne> It shows like  waiting upto 60 seconds and such.
[11:12] <]Spectre[> Thorne: I don't know
[11:12] <Thorne> Thanks for noticing anyway.. It takes away a good 2-3 minutes.
[11:13] <]Spectre[> strange
[11:13] <Thorne> I think it happened with 11.04 upgrade
[11:13] <Thorne> I don't even need that network conf check. I connect manually once I am in.
[11:13] <]Spectre[> I'm using 11.10 right now,what kind of connection do you have ?
[11:15] <Thorne> wait I have 11.10 too.
[11:15] <Thorne> I have a pppoe adsl connection
[11:15] <]Spectre[> mmm. I don't know,you need an expert,anyway is strange
[11:15] <]Spectre[> cabled ?
[11:15] <]Spectre[> yes for sure
[11:16] <Thorne> It doesnt have anything to do with my connection t ype I guess
[11:16] <Thorne> It does this even when I have no internet. or any other
[11:17] <Thorne> and it actually shows "Booting without network configuration ." after the long wait
[11:17] <]Spectre[> I'm sorry I don't know
[11:17] <Thorne> ty
[11:17] <Thorne> brb
[12:01] <l057c0d3r> thorne.. thats odd.. because mine does not do that.. it connects almost instantly
[13:05] <DavidScherer> I'm trying to burn with ImgBurn, but the disk is blank after burning, anyone have any suggestions/experience?
[13:36] <]Spectre[> Hi a banal question...
[13:36] <]Spectre[> How can I search file with lubuntu in a graphical way ?
[13:36] <]Spectre[> I need to find there is located the "mame" program
[13:37] <]Spectre[> where is located
[13:48] <]Spectre[> catfish is fine
[13:54] <JWColeman> hey can anyone help me with some installation issues for lubuntu 11.10?
[13:54] <]Spectre[> yes
[13:54] <]Spectre[> tell me
[13:56] <]Spectre[> Can someone explain me a thing on linux ? I installed the "mame" program,the executable is located in "/usr/game/" and the other related files are located in "/usr/local/share/games/mame" . My question is about the linux folders structure: how come this mess ? I'm used in the dos,where all the files related to a program,are in the same directory/subdirectory. thanks in advance for a kind of reply
[14:02] <JWColeman> is there anyone here that can help me with some installation issues with lubuntu 11.10?
[14:03] <]Spectre[> tell me
[14:04] <JWColeman> okay
[14:04] <JWColeman> well i had lubuntu 10.04 installed because in my great intelligence i misread and thought it was the latest version, wasn't able to get my mic to work and other things, so now I'm trying to install lubuntu 11.10
[14:05] <JWColeman> my only possibility is usb boot because I'm working on a netbook, a dell mini 1010
[14:05] <JWColeman> I used unetbootin to make the boot usb from the alternative download iso for lubuntu 11.10
[14:06] <JWColeman> i previously used unetbootin to install the desktop version of lubuntu 10.04, I have the desktop version for lubuntu 11.10, but when I boot to that usb (lubuntu 11.10) it still has the old install screen from 10.04
[14:06] <JWColeman> i don't see the nifty new lubuntu graphic that i see on the website (the blue shiny one), its like it still thinks I'm booting to 10.04
[14:07] <JWColeman> and when i hit install, it goes to a command line
[14:08] <JWColeman> secondly, I'm trying to dual boot xp and lubuntu
[14:08] <JWColeman> so yeah, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong, I tried like lots of methods
[14:09] <JWColeman> ohhh, did u miss all that spectre?
[14:10] <JWColeman> i can repeat it
[14:10] <]Spectre[> I've found a smaaaaaaaall bug on lubuntu...
[14:10] <JWColeman> well, im having like massive issues
[14:10] <]Spectre[> JWColeman: I lost all
[14:11] <JWColeman> trying to install lol
[14:11] <JWColeman> well i had lubuntu 10.04 installed because in my great intelligence i misread and thought it was the latest version, wasn't able to get my mic to work and other things, so now I'm trying to install lubuntu 11.10 [14:05] <JWColeman> my only possibility is usb boot because I'm working on a netbook, a dell mini 1010 [14:05] <JWColeman> I used unetbootin to make the boot usb from the alternative download iso for lubuntu 11.10 [14:06] 
[14:12] <]Spectre[> you want to know how to install lubuntu from the usb key ?
[14:12] <JWColeman> yeah
[14:12] <JWColeman> but i already did install
[14:12] <JWColeman> 10.04
[14:12] <]Spectre[> do you want to upgrade it ?
[14:12] <JWColeman> i was wanting to start fresh
[14:12] <JWColeman> i felt i would avoid more complications
[14:12] <]Spectre[> yes,I agree ,I suggest,as is a fresh installation,to overwrite it...
[14:12] <JWColeman> now i have something installed that won't boot at all
[14:12] <]Spectre[> yes,do a new installation...
[14:13] <JWColeman> the load screen says "ubuntu 10.11
[14:13] <JWColeman> er 11.10
[14:13] <JWColeman> which confuses me
[14:13] <JWColeman> i downloaded a lubuntu iso
[14:13] <]Spectre[> do you need to check which version is installed on your system ?
[14:14] <JWColeman> well i can't get it to boot either
[14:14] <JWColeman> it says "unable to mount /windows
[14:14] <JWColeman> I basically need to start all oevr
[14:14] <JWColeman> but every time i boot to usb
[14:14] <JWColeman> the options don't work right
[14:14] <JWColeman> like install takes me to a command line
[14:14] <JWColeman> and try before you install takes me to a command line
[14:15] <JWColeman> i tried the release notes, they said type auto run lxdm, but that didn't do anything
[14:15] <]Spectre[> so,now,linux doesn't boot anymore,and you are trying to do a fresh install from the usb key,but you get an error on the usb boot,is it in this way?
[14:17] <JWColeman> yes
[14:17] <JWColeman> that soudns about right
[14:17] <JWColeman> no errors though
[14:17] <]Spectre[> do you have another computer to rebuild the usb key ?
[14:17] <JWColeman> trying to boot gives me an error, it says its unable to mount /windows, so i try to skip it
[14:17] <JWColeman> and it just hangs
[14:17] <]Spectre[> did you enabled the "boot from usb" from the bios ?
[14:18] <]Spectre[> -d
[14:18] <JWColeman> well this laptop still boots to xp, thank god, i haven't botched that
[14:18] <JWColeman> i figured it was booting to usb
[14:19] <JWColeman> maybe it was booting to something older?
[14:19] <JWColeman> and thats why i was getting an old lubuntu 10.04 boot screen
[14:19] <JWColeman> and not the 11.10
[14:19] <]Spectre[> well,if you put the usb inside and ,at the boot ,you get a "unable to mount/windows" looks like that the system is trying to boot from the hard drive
[14:21] <]Spectre[> if the system is trying to boot from the hard drive it means that the "boot from usb device" inside of the bios is disabled or the usb key is corrupted in some way
[14:22] <]Spectre[> I would like to report a bug in lubuntu, how can I do it ? thanks guys
[14:24] <JWColeman> yeah, i try to do a hard drive boot AFTER i install using the alternative iso
[14:24] <JWColeman> from the usb
[14:25] <JWColeman> thats when i get the mounting issue
[14:25] <JWColeman> i must have messed up the partitioning or something
[14:26] <]Spectre[> JWColeman: I'm not following you right now,anyway,to solve your issue,the fast way is to find how come the usb key won't boot
[14:26] <JWColeman> but i thought it did boot thats the confusing part, it started up with the install screen, but is that not frmo my usb or something?
[14:27] <]Spectre[> sorry, I don't understand your last sentence..
[14:27] <]Spectre[> anyway
[14:29] <JWColeman> fwehh
[14:29] <]Spectre[> 1) rebuild the usb key with the last lubuntu iso
[14:29] <MrChrisDruif> Hai guys
[14:30] <]Spectre[> 2) check in the bios if the "boot first from usb" or something like that is enabled
[14:30] <]Spectre[> 3) reinstall lubuntu :)
[14:30] <MrChrisDruif> How can I load a folder of Favorites from Internet Explorer?
[14:30] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: do you use Ie with lubuntu ?
[14:31] <MrChrisDruif> No, but I made a backup of a Windows Disk before installing Lubuntu ]Spectre[
[14:31] <MrChrisDruif> I don't need that kind of crap on an installation ^_^
[14:31] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: I don't know :P
[14:33] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: for me you need to do it manually for every bookmark
[14:33] <MrChrisDruif> I think I've found an solution, but I need a Windows PC
[14:34] <MrChrisDruif> Luckily, my parents aren't converted yet ^_^
[14:34] <]Spectre[> is incredible that ie exists on linux :)
[14:35] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: ahah
[14:35] <]Spectre[> tell to your parents to install lubuntu with ie ;)
[14:35] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: yeah, you need to export them under IE http://goinglinux.com/articles/MoveYourBookmarks.html
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: yeah, that's what I've found as well: http://support.google.com/chrome/bin/answer.py?hl=nl&answer=96816
[14:36] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not gonna give my brother IE again
[14:36] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: chromium and ffox can read eachothers syste, so that makes sense :)
[14:37] <MrChrisDruif> I should also be able to import from IE, but it must be a running app for that to work ^_^
[14:38] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, btw: one feature request and a bug...
[14:38] <]Spectre[> good old format c: /u..
[14:39] <MrChrisDruif> Make a link to http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=lubuntu in the screenshots with the installer, just like it links to the wiki and launchpad page
[14:39] <MrChrisDruif> And the bug is that the quick search is enabled again after installation
[14:40] <MrChrisDruif> Seeing we "disabled" it, it's a bug, for me it suits me just fine ^_^
[14:40] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: ^
[14:42] <phillw> lol... it must pull in the additional lib funstion.
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know what the exact problem is with synaptic, but we decided to keep it removed. So either some setting is wrong or the wiki is ^_^
[14:56] <MrChrisDruif> And the other one is with ubiquity
[15:01] <]Spectre[> can you tell me how to check the lubuntu version ? (revision and if it's the 64bit version or not)
[15:01] <]Spectre[> uname something.
[15:02] <MrChrisDruif> uname -a ?
[15:12] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: I'll let Julien know. It is going to be a bug in ubiquity installer at a guess, but I'll check
[15:16] <MrChrisDruif> phillw: are you talking about the feature request or the bug?
[15:17] <MrChrisDruif> Also with every computer so far it always boots to terminal when I say Try Lubuntu without installing, and a few strings aren't correctly translated yet
[15:26] <phillw> MrChrisDruif: i only see that reported for 11.04. Once Centos v6 install DVD has finally downloaded (couple of hours to go), I've got a couple of bugs to try out on VM to see if I can confirm.
[15:29] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow, I'm off again
[15:29] <MrChrisDruif> Installation is pretty much working
[15:29] <MrChrisDruif> Woops, gotta setup SSH
[15:46]  * MrChrisDruif really goes away now
[15:46] <MrChrisDruif> Ciao
[16:00]  * smile gaat ervandoor voor dit jaar. doei! :)
[16:10] <]Spectre[> Hi guys...
[16:10] <]Spectre[> I need help again..
[16:12] <]Spectre[> I'm trying to copy a file from the /home/me/Desktop to /usr/local/share/games    but without success (I get a "permission denied")
[16:12] <]Spectre[> What Do I need to do ?
[16:14] <]Spectre[> fixed...
[16:14] <]Spectre[> thanks
[16:14] <]Spectre[> anyway
[16:15] <cousteau> I think I'm gnoing to get an alpha of lubuntu precise to see how it's going
[16:16] <cousteau> and if I find out that pcmanfm has gotten better, I'll say good bye to gnome
[16:17] <cousteau> actually, I think I'll just download and compile the newest pcmanfm
[16:21] <cousteau> hm, why is leafpad a hard dependency of lubuntu and lxde?  wouldn't it make more sense to have it as "recommended"?  (or even as "suggested")
[16:22] <cousteau> seems I should just get lxde-core and then get whatever programs I want myself
[16:25] <]Spectre[> Where is around an alpha version of lubuntu ? I'm not an expert ,just curiosity
[16:26] <]Spectre[> fix: is there around an alpha version of lubuntu? I'm not an expert,just curiosity
[16:30] <cousteau> actually, I don't know
[16:30] <cousteau> well, there's a precise alpha, and lubuntu is on their repositories, so...
[16:31] <cousteau> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/12.04/alpha-1/  yaaay!
[16:39] <cousteau> damn torrent won't work
[16:43] <cousteau> ok, this won't download.  What features does pcmanfm have from the old one at Lucid to the current one?  does it have a decent directory tree view?  dir expansion on dir content panel?  panel splitting?
[16:43] <cousteau> I think those are the main reasons I prefer Nautilus to pcmanfm right now
[16:44] <cousteau> (pcmanfm having some cool stuff not in Nautilus, such as "open terminal here" and a cool "open with" menu
[16:49] <cousteau> so...  where can I download the source of pcmanfm?
[16:50] <cousteau> oh, so the sourceforge project site is still in use...  ok, got it
[16:54] <cousteau> "configure: error: Your intltool is too old.  You need intltool 0.40.0 or later."  gaah
[16:55] <cousteau> ...ok, "too old" meant "not installed"
[16:58] <cousteau> "No package 'gtk+-2.0' found" - whaaat?  I'm pretty sure I have that one installed
[17:00] <cousteau> who would have said?  I didn't have it installed...  I thought I did
[17:05] <holstein> cousteau: apt-get source pcmanfm maybe?
[17:06] <Obituaryy> hi
[17:06] <cousteau> well, I have ubuntu maverick, so that'll get me an oldish version
[17:06] <cousteau> now I just came across libfm, which needs a version not available in maverick
[17:06] <cousteau> damn...  I think I'll have to just download that lubuntu alpha and virtualize it
[17:07] <holstein> cousteau: apt-get source should work from a live CD
[17:07] <cousteau> yes, I'd need a live cd
[17:08] <holstein> i find expecting any software to be like other software is a fail
[17:08] <cousteau> and the livecd would already come with pcmanfm installed, so there would be no point in compiling it
[17:08] <holstein> they are just different... nautilus and pcmanfm
[17:08] <holstein> the lightness usually makes folks confortable with the changes
[17:08] <cousteau> holstein, well, there are issues in nautilus I dislike and that pcmanfm has them
[17:08] <cousteau> such as a sane "Open with..." dialog
[17:09] <holstein> for some reason, i stopped using that
[17:09] <cousteau> also, I've never used "Open terminal here", but it would probably be useful
[17:10] <holstein> i bet nautilus-open-terminal still works
[17:10] <cousteau> but the possibility of splitting the directory view in two so that you can see 2 dirs at once, and drag and drop, without having 2 windows open, seems pretty useful
[17:11] <cousteau> s/seems/is/
[17:11] <cousteau> I use it a lot
[17:11] <holstein> sure, but they all do something like that now, no?
[17:11] <holstein> tabs at least, which i think i like better on smaller screens
[17:12] <cousteau> it was nice when it appeared in Nautilus, and it would be a pity to lose it if I change to pcmanfm, that's why I was asking if it has that feature
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> holstein; Nautilus ALSO has that
[17:12] <MrChrisDruif> I'd also like a split-pane view
[17:12] <cousteau> well, tabs aren't as convenient as splitting
[17:12] <holstein> MrChrisDruif: thats what i was thinking
[17:12] <holstein> cousteau: sure, but you say tomatoe, and i say i like tabs
[17:12] <cousteau> they're also nice, though
[17:13] <holstein> you cant please everyone, and i just like for there to be options to tweak afterwards
[17:13] <MrChrisDruif> We're not suggesting to rm the tabs
[17:13] <cousteau> no, the tabs are staying, they're useful too
[17:14] <holstein> ?
[17:14] <holstein> you *cant* remove the tabs ;)
[17:14] <holstein> im not saying you are tying to
[17:14] <cousteau> they're just not a good alternative to splitting the view...  that makes drag and drop easy
[17:15] <cousteau> but drag and drop to another tab is a bit harder, it makes you make 2 moves instead of 1
[17:15] <cousteau> the other thing:  tree views
[17:15] <holstein> sure... and mv is arguably easier than both methods
[17:16] <MrChrisDruif> holstein; nope ^_^
[17:16] <cousteau> now pcmanfm does have a tree view on the left panel, right?  because the one in Lucid doesn't even have that
[17:16] <MrChrisDruif> Not if you only want to move specific files only
[17:16] <MrChrisDruif> Afaik it does
[17:16] <holstein> you mean like only *.mp3 's ;)
[17:17] <holstein> anyways.. thats why i said 'arguably'
[17:17] <cousteau> however..  does it also allow to expand dirs in the dir content view?
[17:17] <holstein> implying that an argument *could* follow
[17:17] <MrChrisDruif> No, like alice.mp3 && dolly.jpg
[17:19] <cousteau> well, mv is fine if you want pattern natching, that's true
[17:19] <cousteau> I actually use mv and cp -a usually
[17:21] <holstein> again, its arguably easier to tab complete the names in the terminal than to control click whicl scrolling...
[17:21] <cousteau> well, that's also true
[17:21] <holstein> i just like to have the option, and to facilitate the options to the end-user when possible
[17:22] <holstein> sane defaults, and easy customizations
[17:22] <epictetus> it's nice to have both options
[17:22] <cousteau> but nautilus at least (not sure if pcmanfm too) allows you to write part of the name and that'll focus the first file matching, so that's kind of similar to writing and tab-completing
[17:22] <epictetus> i'm more of a leftclick-copy rightclick-paste between 2 different windows guy
[17:22] <cousteau> holstein, so do you think it would be ok to allow splitting the view?
[17:22] <epictetus> er
[17:23] <epictetus> rightglick
[17:23] <cousteau> I mean, it's just adding an option or a button or a shortcut (like F3)
[17:23] <holstein> cousteau: i think you should be able to do what you like
[17:23] <holstein> my only point is, some of these default, and default applications are chosen for speed
[17:23] <cousteau> and you wouldn't have to use it if you don't want, of course...  and tabs would still be there
[17:23] <holstein> when you do that, you make compromises
[17:24] <holstein> and when you undo these defaults, you can slow the system back down... and if you are comfortable with that... go for it
[17:24] <cousteau> so your argument is that adding that feature to pcmanfm, along with other ones, would possibly end up bloating it too much and breaking the spirit of a lightweight application?
[17:24] <holstein> cousteau: if you are proposing it should be that way in lubuntu, i think speed should be the focus
[17:25] <cousteau> well, if that's the point, I personally don't think that feature (as an option) would have a negative impact on speed
[17:26] <cousteau> actually, I think having a single window with 2 panels would probably use less resources than 2 windows
[17:26] <holstein> but, i'll go with whatever the team decides... i find lubuntu both slick and light-weight
[17:27] <MrChrisDruif> When organizing files it often easier to have the two side by side
[17:28] <MrChrisDruif> holstein; something we might need to add to the meeting?
[17:28] <cousteau> even midnight commander (a text-interface file browser) has that feature!
[17:28] <holstein> MrChrisDruif: i personally dont think its something that is broken, and its somehting the end-user can address easy enough.. but again, i'll go with whatever you guys go with
[17:28] <cousteau> hmm, I think I'll use that same argument later when discussing about Leafpad
[17:29] <MrChrisDruif> We can add a split-pane option easily to pcmanfm?
[17:29] <cousteau> holstein, so in your opinion the solution would be to have 2 windows, or to drag and drop to another tab?
[17:30] <holstein> cousteau: sure... or the terminal, or add the tabs, or the panel view.. or copy and paste
[17:30] <holstein> i feel like there are lots of options
[17:30] <cousteau> and there's also the blender-like option: have N panels, and be able to select whatever you want on each of them (tree view, places view, dir view, thumbnail view...)
[17:31] <holstein> i think assuming a change will only do that.. change... there will be some folks who liked it the way it was
[17:31] <cousteau> wel, I don't think adding a feature that is invisible until you use it can be any bad
[17:32] <holstein> sure.. but when does it stop?
[17:32] <cousteau> of course, adding lots of features could end in having a huge and slow program, but I don't think this feature will contribute in that direction
[17:32] <holstein> to take it to the extreme, KDE libs are invisible tio you use them
[17:32] <holstein> til*
[17:33] <holstein> but, i think you guys will keep lubuntu heading in the right direction... its a great project!
[17:34] <cousteau> what is the default browser right now?
[17:34] <holstein> chromium?... or did i do that to it...
[17:34] <cousteau> well, chromium was in lucid, at least
[17:35] <cousteau> (and I don't think that's particularly lightweight, by the way)
[17:35] <holstein> its a nice balance though
[17:35] <holstein> but midori is so light, and quite nice :)
[17:35] <cousteau> yes, why isn't it the default?
[17:35]  * holstein shrugs
[17:35] <cousteau> or epiphany (the problem is taht epiphany has too much gnome stuff)
[17:36] <cousteau> I use lubuntu+epiphany in my browser
[17:38] <cousteau> epiphany, evince, qalculate, geany, libreoffice (although gnumeric is pretty nice) and I'm considering installing gthumb instead of the default image viewer
[17:39] <MrChrisDruif> Chromium is default in Lubuntu
[17:41] <MrChrisDruif> The reasoning behind that Midori isn't the default browser is the small development team
[17:41] <cousteau> don't remember why I prefered gpicview to gthumb, actually
[17:42] <MrChrisDruif> ..behind Midori
[17:42] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, isn't this pretty much general discussion guys?
[17:42] <cousteau> I don't think that's actually a good reason unless Midori is buggy
[17:45] <MrChrisDruif> cousteau; we haven't got the manpower to support Midori properly
[17:46] <cousteau> because firefox is too heavyweight, right?
[17:46] <MrChrisDruif> And I meant with the other comment that we better should go to #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:46] <cousteau> it has gotten lighter and less resource-eating lately, or that's what I heard...  but that was after a huge resource usage growth
[17:46] <cousteau> ok, I'll be there
[19:01] <Sgeo> How do I get a nice GUI to configure my touchpad?
[19:03] <cousteau> Sgeo, I used one called...  let me remember
[19:04] <cousteau> it wasn't gsynprops
[19:04] <cousteau> er, gsynaptics, it wasn't gsynaptics
[19:04] <cousteau> (that one is outdated)
[19:06] <cousteau> gpointing-device-settings
[19:06] <cousteau> that one was it
[19:06] <cousteau> however I'm not sure it saves the properties correctly in Lubuntu
[19:07] <cousteau> ...long story short, I wrote my own script for saving/restoring them
[19:07] <Sgeo> :/
[19:20] <diytto> Can lubuntu be made to a bootable usb stick like ubuntu?
[19:21] <holstein> sure... i usually use unetbootin, but you can also just install it to the stick diytto
[19:21] <diytto> What's unetbootin?
[19:21] <cousteau> diytto, I remember doing that for installing it on my netbook
[19:22] <holstein> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[19:22] <holstein> diytto: its in the repos
[19:22] <diytto> That's good because I would rather have a lubuntu bootadle usb than ubuntu
[19:22] <cousteau> unetbootin or the usb-creator
[19:22] <diytto> oh cool
[19:22] <holstein> diytto: you can use something like yumi multiboot, and have both :) http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[19:23] <diytto> no lubuntu is better
[19:23] <diytto> i don't like the direction ubuntu is going with Unity
[19:23] <holstein> ubuntu = lubuntu
[19:23] <diytto> Yes, but lubuntu uses lxde
[19:23] <holstein> unity-free :)
[19:23] <diytto> yeah
[19:23] <diytto> smaller and faster
[19:24] <cousteau> cool, that would be interesting...  does it have an option for CDs too?
[19:25] <holstein> cousteau: yumi?... not sure... that woule be nice... i just started using it
[19:28] <diytto> yumi is for windows :(
[19:28] <holstein> diytto: i am running yumi on linux...
[19:28] <diytto> oh really
[19:29] <diytto> eh
[19:29] <diytto> the installer on the front page is for windows
[19:29] <holstein> but AFAIK it is available for windows as well
[19:29] <diytto> yeah
[19:31] <cousteau> diytto, what front page?
[19:31] <diytto> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ this
[19:31] <holstein> diytto: actually, its this one im using
[19:31] <holstein> http://liveusb.info/dotclear/
[19:32] <holstein> so im not sure that yumi is for linux
[19:32] <diytto> oh
[19:32] <cousteau> diytto, well, that doesn't look like the official page for yumi, more like a collection of software for putting linux on a pendrive
[19:33] <diytto> yeah :p
[19:34] <diytto> it's sad that my laptop barely runs lubuntu :/
[19:35] <cousteau> er, yes it is
[19:35] <diytto> 512MB ram sucks
[19:35] <cousteau> what's it?  does it have a floppy drive?
[19:35] <cousteau> 512?!?  get one with 32 and then let's talk
[19:35] <diytto> Dell Latitude D6000
[19:35] <diytto> i think
[19:35] <diytto> lol :p
[19:35] <cousteau> I want to try lubuntu there, just for curiosity
[19:35] <diytto> 32MB ram
[19:35] <diytto> i can setup a vm with that
[19:36] <cousteau> ...maybe better to use slitaz
[19:36] <diytto> what is this slitaz
[19:36] <cousteau> a tiny distro
[19:36] <cousteau> I think it uses little resources...  not sure if even less than Lubuntu
[19:37] <diytto> wow
[19:37] <cousteau> but I think Lubuntu is ok for any computer with a sane amount of resources
[19:37] <diytto> wow it's only 30MB
[19:37] <diytto> >.>
[19:37] <cousteau> yeah
[19:38] <diytto> that's impressive
[19:38] <diytto> I am going to download it
[19:38] <diytto> heh their server is extremely slow
[19:38] <cousteau> ...and TinyCore is like 10 MB
[19:39] <cousteau> but their distro is extremely small, so...
[19:39] <diytto> TinyCore...
[19:39] <diytto> how does thate ven
[19:39] <diytto> wow
[19:40] <diytto> 11.9MB
[19:43] <cousteau> and yes it has a desktop environment
[19:43] <diytto> that is so awesome
[19:46] <diytto> oh my god
[19:46] <diytto> http://d.diytto.com/Lv3m
[19:46] <diytto> slitaz installed in under a minute
[19:47] <cousteau> whaaat??  qucs is available in tinycore?
[19:48] <cousteau> (only 0.0.15, but anyway...)
[19:48] <diytto> tiny core is actually quite nice
[19:49] <Sgeo> I really only want to permanently change one touchpad setting
[19:49] <Sgeo> I don't really need a GUI for this, if it's simple enough to do once and then forget about it
[19:49] <diytto> it grows... :D http://d.diytto.com/pm8W
[19:50] <cousteau> make a startup script that does that
[19:50] <cousteau> does lubuntu already have some sort of "Startup Applications" menu that allows you to create new ones?  Lucid doesn't
[19:51] <diytto> ummm
[19:51] <diytto> maybe in users or something
[19:51] <diytto> like a login thing
[19:51] <diytto> how big is lubuntu iso?
[19:52] <Sgeo> Is there some /etc thing I can change?
[19:52] <Sgeo> I just want to remove the upper-right=middle-click thing
[20:01] <diytto>  mmm lubuntu is so sexy
[20:05] <cousteau> diytto, 1 cd
[20:05] <cousteau> <700 MB
[20:05] <cousteau> 690-something
[20:05] <diytto> yeah i downloaded it
[20:05] <diytto> :
[20:05] <diytto> :p
[20:06] <cousteau> Sgeo, why?  that option kicks ass
[20:06] <Sgeo> cousteau, I keep accidentally closing Chrome tabs
[20:06] <Sgeo> *Chromium
[20:06] <cousteau> oh I see
[20:06] <cousteau> doesn't chromium have Ctrl-Shift-T for unclosing?
[20:07] <Sgeo> Yes, but that doesn't make accidental closes not annoying
[20:07] <cousteau> do you have multitouch?
[20:07] <holstein> hehe... i had that too... used to paste into IRC as well ;)
[20:07] <Sgeo> Not sure
[20:07] <cousteau> (so you have a good replacement for middle-click)
[20:07] <holstein> i never found a GUI for it, dont think you will
[20:07] <cousteau> or don't you use middle click anywhere?
[20:08] <cousteau> holstein, I found gpointing-device-settings
[20:08] <holstein> i found a few scripts i tried, but seemed like i lost other functionality
[20:08] <Sgeo> I use Ctrl-click for links
[20:08] <holstein> sure... but i dont think it edits that particular functionality.. i could be wrong
[20:08] <Sgeo> I seem to have multitouch
[20:08] <JohnDoe_71Rus> happy HY!
[20:09] <holstein> it was always one of those back-burner things on my to-do list
[20:09] <cousteau> Sgeo, no, I mean, select to copy, middle to paste
[20:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> *NY
[20:09] <cousteau> happy new york?
[20:10] <Sgeo> cousteau, I usually use Ctrl-C Ctrl-V, it is more annoying with console stuff though
[20:10] <Sgeo> But multitouch middle click works fine
[20:10] <Sgeo> If I think to use it, I will. But I want either tabs not to close on middle click, or no middle click on corner tap
[20:11] <cousteau> well, you sure can disable that with synaptics
[20:11] <Sgeo> Great! How?
[20:11] <cousteau> can't remember the command, something about xinput
[20:12] <cousteau> the problem is that it won't be permanent, it'll be as before when you reboot
[20:12] <cousteau> so you should make a startup script or something
[20:13] <JohnDoe_71Rus> cousteau: New Year in Moscow
[20:14] <cousteau> cool
[20:14] <cousteau> I'm getting closer
[20:16] <holstein> yup, it was an xinput string i used
[20:17] <holstein> i would probably start here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics
[20:17] <cousteau> let me see
[20:19] <holstein> http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Synaptics_TouchPad_driver_for_X
[20:19] <holstein> Option          "RTCornerButton"   "0"          #disable Right Top corner "button"
[20:20] <holstein> or you could disable it in the browser
[20:21] <Sgeo> Would qsynaptics disable it systemwide?
[20:21] <cousteau> xinput  set-prop  'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'  'Synaptics Tap Action'  0 0 0 0 0 0 0
[20:21] <Sgeo> I can't find it in the package manager
[20:21] <cousteau> no, wait, that would disable all the clicks
[20:22] <Sgeo> I don't see an xorg.conf
[20:22] <holstein> Sgeo: you can make one
[20:22] <holstein> xinput list-props "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[20:23] <holstein> ^^ i think that lists options
[20:23] <holstein> if you prefer an xinput script
[20:23] <cousteau> I think     xinput  set-prop  'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'  'Synaptics Tap Action'  0 0 0 0 0 0 0     does the trick
[20:23] <cousteau> but don't use 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
[20:24] <cousteau> I think it would be 0 0 0 0 1 3 2
[20:24] <cousteau> it's like   corner corner corner corner single-tap double-tap triple-tap
[20:27] <Sgeo>  xinput set-prop "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad" "Synaptics Tap Action" 1 1 0 0 1 2 3
[20:27] <Sgeo> That does what I want
[20:27]  * Sgeo modifies
[20:27] <Sgeo> Now all corners act just like regular pad, I think
[20:27] <Sgeo> tyvm all
[20:29] <cousteau> why 1 1?
[20:29] <cousteau> I think 0 just disables the corner, so tapping it is like tapping in the middle
[20:29] <cousteau> actually, the other two 0 are the other two corners, and you can tap them, right?
[20:29] <Sgeo> I found that I couldn't
[20:29] <Sgeo> 1 makes it actually click
[20:30] <Sgeo> 0 makes it do nothing, so pressing that corner has no effect
[20:30] <cousteau> anyway...  now make lubuntu do that each time you start
[20:30] <Sgeo> (I tried it)
[20:30] <cousteau> so top-left corner is also disabled?
[20:30] <Sgeo> It was, I modified the line to 1 1 1 1 1 2 3
[20:30] <cousteau> oic
[20:31] <cousteau> well, now also you'll want to disable edge scrolling, since you have multitouch and you'll probably be scrolling with multifinger
[20:31]  * Sgeo is actually quite comfortable with edge scrolling
[20:31] <cousteau> (although circular scrolling is pretty nice)
[20:32] <Sgeo> circular scrolling?
[20:34] <cousteau> Sgeo, you scroll starting from the corner or the side, then when you reach the bottom instead of stopping and going back to the top, you continue moving your finger left, then up, then right
[20:34] <cousteau> infinite scrolling