[15:37] <Kilos> afternoon guys
[15:37] <Kilos> lo superfly 
[15:41] <superfly> hi Kilos
[15:41] <superfly> how are you today, oom Kilos?
[15:42] <Kilos> ok ty superfly and you guys?
[15:45] <Kilos> in one hour and 15 mins its exactly 26 years since Debs and I met
[15:47] <superfly> Kilos: we're doing OK thanks
[15:47] <Kilos> good
[19:13] <inetpro> good evening everyone 
[19:13] <inetpro> ... and Kilos
[19:13] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[19:14] <inetpro> Kilos: Happy Anniversary!
[19:14] <Kilos> ty very much my friend
[19:14] <Kilos> lets hope things sort themselves out this year
[19:15] <inetpro> next year
[19:15] <Kilos> ha ha oh ya
[19:15] <inetpro> :-)
[19:16] <inetpro> Kilos: I see you're already in the new year though
[19:16] <Kilos> tell me something. what are peeps gonna do with old pc's that cant take unity and whatever comes from now on
[19:16] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:16] <Kilos> ya debs wished me at our 3pm
[19:17] <Kilos> they 9 hours ahead again
[19:17] <inetpro> Kilos: throw them away
[19:17] <Kilos> the pc's??
[19:17] <inetpro> yep
[19:17] <Kilos> oh my
[19:17] <inetpro> or make servers out of them
[19:18] <Kilos> that is gonna lose lotsa ubuntu people
[19:18] <inetpro> the new technology eventually takes over 
[19:18] <Kilos> nee man
[19:19] <Kilos> lotsa peeps will keep using xp
[19:19] <Kilos> so we should have one release for old pc's
[19:19] <inetpro> Kilos: a modern cellphone has more stuff builtin than the 1st computer that went to the moon
[19:19] <Kilos> win7 also cries for modern pc's
[19:20] <inetpro> Kilos: there are many distros out there that focus on running stuffs on old tech
[19:20] <Kilos> there are too many people world wide that are pensioners or for other reasons will never be able to afford a mod pc
[19:21] <inetpro> ubuntu is up front in terms of trying out new ideas
[19:22] <Kilos> if i keep this pc on maverick and i get to stay overseas some time does that mean my sis is gonna have to go to xp?
[19:22] <inetpro> eish, I hope not
[19:22] <Kilos> she wont be able to work with another distro if i not here to help her
[19:22] <inetpro> XP is dood
[19:23] <Kilos> there are many businesses still using xp
[19:23] <inetpro> Kilos: ubuntu will also keep running 
[19:23] <Kilos> ian has many probs trying to get them to go win 7 because of thier security software
[19:23] <Kilos> thats what i want to know
[19:24] <Kilos> will mavreick die if there is no more support
[19:24] <Kilos> maverick
[19:24] <inetpro> the only problem is that you won't get updates for to long
[19:24] <Kilos> or can sis use it for next 10 years
[19:25] <inetpro> who knows what the future holds
[19:25] <Kilos> if it has ufw and the virus goodie will it not be safe for years to come
[19:26] <Kilos> clamtk
[19:26] <inetpro> Kilos: maybe you become rich and sponsor her a new plug and play thingy in a year or two
[19:26] <Kilos> or something like that
[19:26] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[19:27] <Kilos> i am sure if one isnt personally hacked then maverick will work for  years
[19:28] <inetpro> Kilos: all depends on what the pc is used for and what apps are installed
[19:28] <Kilos> it will be for mail and pidgin
[19:28] <inetpro> and then how it is managed or mismanaged
[19:28] <Kilos> mxit and msn
[19:29] <inetpro> Kilos: 10 years is a very long time in computers
[19:30] <Kilos> this one is already 10 years old
[19:30] <inetpro> though they go by very quickly these days
[19:30] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:32] <Kilos> oh well if it crashes she can always mxit to me on her cellphone
[19:33] <inetpro> you see, it will even get easier as time goes
[19:33] <inetpro> the world is becoming a very small place
[19:33] <Kilos> or if i get a better graphics card then i will go unity here
[19:33] <Kilos> yeah but texting on a fone sucks
[19:34] <Kilos> i dunno how the kids manage
[19:34] <Kilos> maybe i been spoiled here
[19:34] <inetpro> easy, they don't have our baggage
[19:35] <Kilos> but who knows. if them visa fools give me a visa something else will stop me staying there for more than 3 months
[19:35] <inetpro> they just plug it in and it works
[19:35] <Kilos> lol
[19:36] <inetpro> and if it aint working they play around until it does
[19:36] <inetpro> they figure it out much faster than you and me
[19:37] <Kilos> yeah if you need help with a cellphone ask a kid
[19:37] <inetpro> actually quite amazing how it works
[19:38] <inetpro> sometimes I wish I was a kid so I can just do things without worrying about it
[19:38] <Kilos> lol
[19:38] <inetpro> would perhaps get more things done
[19:38] <inetpro> so much stuffs that is left undone
[19:39] <Kilos> yip
[19:40] <Kilos> ok if you setup a pc as a server can you install pidgin on it
[19:40] <Kilos> or will you need all the graphics stuff
[19:40] <inetpro> no man, don't do that
[19:40] <inetpro> pidgin is a client desktop thingy
[19:41] <inetpro> the server side of pidgin would be to host your own xmpp server service or some such and let peeps connect to it
[19:42] <Kilos> but how will you see whats happening without a desktop?
[19:43] <Kilos> have you heard from vodacom yet inetpro 
[19:43] <inetpro> hmm... yes
[19:43] <inetpro> but not solved yet
[19:43] <inetpro> they called me again and wished me a happy new year
[19:44] <inetpro> say they are working on my problem in my area
[19:44] <inetpro> no timelines given
[19:45] <Kilos> well at least thats something
[19:46] <Kilos> they have also started building a new tower about 5 ks from here that will be voda only not a shared tower
[19:46] <Kilos> but this one is fixed too
[19:46] <inetpro> and it seems I can't do anything about premium rated sms messages billed on my invoice but not sent from my device
[19:47] <Kilos> whew
[19:47] <inetpro> got about R900 worth of SMS messages billed on my latest account
[19:47] <inetpro> definitely not sent from my device
[19:47] <Kilos> get a new sim
[19:48] <Kilos> thats a lot of money to throw away
[19:48] <Kilos> someone piggy backing your account
[19:49] <Kilos> thats like 500 smses
[19:49] <inetpro> just not sure why
[19:49] <inetpro> and how
[19:49] <inetpro> no
[19:49] <inetpro> R26 per SMS
[19:49] <Kilos> mmses
[19:49] <inetpro> no
[19:50] <inetpro> premium rated sms
[19:50] <inetpro> some funny short code
[19:50] <Kilos> what kinda smses are they
[19:50] <inetpro> they investigated and have sent me the details of codes sent each time
[19:51] <Kilos> havent voda got any of them you can get to see where from or where too
[19:51] <Kilos> is it all in code?
[19:51] <Kilos> no man buy a new sim card
[19:52] <inetpro> my number is now blacklisted for this service
[19:53] <inetpro> on contract
[19:53] <Kilos> eina dis baie lelik
[19:53] <inetpro> I hate mobile contracts
[19:53] <Kilos> yeah pay as you go better
[19:55] <inetpro> my wish for 2012 is that mobile companies would stop raping the public and scale down to one single rate for everyone, the more you use the more you pay.
[19:55] <Kilos> yeah
[19:56] <Kilos> so now what can you still do with that contract?
[19:57] <Kilos> ask them if you can change sim cards and transfer
[19:59] <Kilos> i am sure they can make a plan as long as you stay with them
[20:01] <inetpro> well I have changed the plan and my costs will hopefully come down significantly
[20:01] <Kilos> i hope so for your sake. thats a shocker
[20:04] <Kilos> but i be dom i know but what is a premium sms
[20:04] <Kilos> one to the moon or what
[20:04] <Kilos> a sms to aus is R1.85
[20:05] <Kilos> or is it sending to multiple contacts
[20:06] <Kilos> they must have it all on record
[20:10] <inetpro> Kilos: nee slaan my ddo
[20:10] <inetpro> dood*
[20:11] <inetpro> ek weet nie wat gestuur is nie en hoekom nie
[20:11] <inetpro> I have asked them to investigate further
[20:11] <Kilos> Maaz, google what is a premium sms in south africa on vodacom
[20:11] <Maaz> Kilos: "Premium Rate SMS (Shortcodes) | BULKSMS South Africa" http://bulksms.2way.co.za/w/solutions_psms.htm :: "mBILL :: Coverage :: SMS :: Premium :: Africa :: South Africa" http://www.m-bill.com/coverage/sms/premium/africa/southafrica :: "Always Active Technologies :: Send SMS | Bulk SMS | Email to SMS ..." http://www.aat.co.za/ :: "WASP aggregator list - WASP - Vodacom" http://wasps.vodacom.co.za/wasp/landing/Aggregatorlist.aspx?URLId=1
[20:13] <Kilos> most likely adds or something to many many people at once
[20:21] <inetpro> Kilos: ek dink dit moet iets wees soos die advertensies met kodes wat jy stuur vir 'n screensaver en dergelikke goed
[20:22] <inetpro> almal in my familie weet dat daai goed geld kos en daar is geen behoefte om enige van daai goed te stuur
[20:24] <Kilos> kry hulle ceo op iwitter en kerm by hom inetpro 
[20:24] <Kilos> twitter
[20:24] <Kilos> het jy nog sy info?
[20:25] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, maar ek ek sal maar eers kans gee voor ek dit gebruik
[20:25] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:25] <inetpro> desember en begin januarie is almal mos nog op holiday
[20:26] <Kilos> of gaan na n voda winkle of even hulle hoofkantoor en se jy wil self op hulle pc's sien waar is dit heen
[20:26] <Kilos> vergeet hulle holiday man
[20:26] <Kilos> ek wet jou hy is elke dag op twitter
[20:52] <inetpro> Kilos: voorspoed vir die nuwe jaar!
[20:52] <inetpro> ek gaan nou afteken
[20:52] <inetpro> moeg nou
[20:52] <Kilos> selle daar dankie boetie
[22:01] <Kilos> FP
[22:01] <Kilos> Happy new year everyone
[22:02] <Kilos> sleep tight