[15:37] afternoon guys [15:37] lo superfly [15:41] hi Kilos [15:41] how are you today, oom Kilos? [15:42] ok ty superfly and you guys? [15:45] in one hour and 15 mins its exactly 26 years since Debs and I met [15:47] Kilos: we're doing OK thanks [15:47] good [19:13] good evening everyone [19:13] ... and Kilos [19:13] hiya inetpro [19:14] Kilos: Happy Anniversary! [19:14] ty very much my friend [19:14] lets hope things sort themselves out this year [19:15] next year [19:15] ha ha oh ya [19:15] :-) [19:16] Kilos: I see you're already in the new year though [19:16] tell me something. what are peeps gonna do with old pc's that cant take unity and whatever comes from now on [19:16] ha ha ha [19:16] ya debs wished me at our 3pm [19:17] they 9 hours ahead again [19:17] Kilos: throw them away [19:17] the pc's?? [19:17] yep [19:17] oh my [19:17] or make servers out of them [19:18] that is gonna lose lotsa ubuntu people [19:18] the new technology eventually takes over [19:18] nee man [19:19] lotsa peeps will keep using xp [19:19] so we should have one release for old pc's [19:19] Kilos: a modern cellphone has more stuff builtin than the 1st computer that went to the moon [19:19] win7 also cries for modern pc's [19:20] Kilos: there are many distros out there that focus on running stuffs on old tech [19:20] there are too many people world wide that are pensioners or for other reasons will never be able to afford a mod pc [19:21] ubuntu is up front in terms of trying out new ideas [19:22] if i keep this pc on maverick and i get to stay overseas some time does that mean my sis is gonna have to go to xp? [19:22] eish, I hope not [19:22] she wont be able to work with another distro if i not here to help her [19:22] XP is dood [19:23] there are many businesses still using xp [19:23] Kilos: ubuntu will also keep running [19:23] ian has many probs trying to get them to go win 7 because of thier security software [19:23] thats what i want to know [19:24] will mavreick die if there is no more support [19:24] maverick [19:24] the only problem is that you won't get updates for to long [19:24] or can sis use it for next 10 years [19:25] who knows what the future holds [19:25] if it has ufw and the virus goodie will it not be safe for years to come [19:26] clamtk [19:26] Kilos: maybe you become rich and sponsor her a new plug and play thingy in a year or two [19:26] or something like that [19:26] ha ha ha [19:27] i am sure if one isnt personally hacked then maverick will work for years [19:28] Kilos: all depends on what the pc is used for and what apps are installed [19:28] it will be for mail and pidgin [19:28] and then how it is managed or mismanaged [19:28] mxit and msn [19:29] Kilos: 10 years is a very long time in computers [19:30] this one is already 10 years old [19:30] though they go by very quickly these days [19:30] sjoe [19:32] oh well if it crashes she can always mxit to me on her cellphone [19:33] you see, it will even get easier as time goes [19:33] the world is becoming a very small place [19:33] or if i get a better graphics card then i will go unity here [19:33] yeah but texting on a fone sucks [19:34] i dunno how the kids manage [19:34] maybe i been spoiled here [19:34] easy, they don't have our baggage [19:35] but who knows. if them visa fools give me a visa something else will stop me staying there for more than 3 months [19:35] they just plug it in and it works [19:35] lol [19:36] and if it aint working they play around until it does [19:36] they figure it out much faster than you and me [19:37] yeah if you need help with a cellphone ask a kid [19:37] actually quite amazing how it works [19:38] sometimes I wish I was a kid so I can just do things without worrying about it [19:38] lol [19:38] would perhaps get more things done [19:38] so much stuffs that is left undone [19:39] yip [19:40] ok if you setup a pc as a server can you install pidgin on it [19:40] or will you need all the graphics stuff [19:40] no man, don't do that [19:40] pidgin is a client desktop thingy [19:41] the server side of pidgin would be to host your own xmpp server service or some such and let peeps connect to it [19:42] but how will you see whats happening without a desktop? [19:43] have you heard from vodacom yet inetpro [19:43] hmm... yes [19:43] but not solved yet [19:43] they called me again and wished me a happy new year [19:44] say they are working on my problem in my area [19:44] no timelines given [19:45] well at least thats something [19:46] they have also started building a new tower about 5 ks from here that will be voda only not a shared tower [19:46] but this one is fixed too [19:46] and it seems I can't do anything about premium rated sms messages billed on my invoice but not sent from my device [19:47] whew [19:47] got about R900 worth of SMS messages billed on my latest account [19:47] definitely not sent from my device [19:47] get a new sim [19:48] thats a lot of money to throw away [19:48] someone piggy backing your account [19:49] thats like 500 smses [19:49] just not sure why [19:49] and how [19:49] no [19:49] R26 per SMS [19:49] mmses [19:49] no [19:50] premium rated sms [19:50] some funny short code [19:50] what kinda smses are they [19:50] they investigated and have sent me the details of codes sent each time [19:51] havent voda got any of them you can get to see where from or where too [19:51] is it all in code? [19:51] no man buy a new sim card [19:52] my number is now blacklisted for this service [19:53] on contract [19:53] eina dis baie lelik [19:53] I hate mobile contracts [19:53] yeah pay as you go better [19:55] my wish for 2012 is that mobile companies would stop raping the public and scale down to one single rate for everyone, the more you use the more you pay. [19:55] yeah [19:56] so now what can you still do with that contract? [19:57] ask them if you can change sim cards and transfer [19:59] i am sure they can make a plan as long as you stay with them [20:01] well I have changed the plan and my costs will hopefully come down significantly [20:01] i hope so for your sake. thats a shocker [20:04] but i be dom i know but what is a premium sms [20:04] one to the moon or what [20:04] a sms to aus is R1.85 [20:05] or is it sending to multiple contacts [20:06] they must have it all on record [20:10] Kilos: nee slaan my ddo [20:10] dood* [20:11] ek weet nie wat gestuur is nie en hoekom nie [20:11] I have asked them to investigate further [20:11] Maaz, google what is a premium sms in south africa on vodacom [20:11] Kilos: "Premium Rate SMS (Shortcodes) | BULKSMS South Africa" http://bulksms.2way.co.za/w/solutions_psms.htm :: "mBILL :: Coverage :: SMS :: Premium :: Africa :: South Africa" http://www.m-bill.com/coverage/sms/premium/africa/southafrica :: "Always Active Technologies :: Send SMS | Bulk SMS | Email to SMS ..." http://www.aat.co.za/ :: "WASP aggregator list - WASP - Vodacom" http://wasps.vodacom.co.za/wasp/landing/Aggregatorlist.aspx?URLId=1 [20:13] most likely adds or something to many many people at once [20:21] Kilos: ek dink dit moet iets wees soos die advertensies met kodes wat jy stuur vir 'n screensaver en dergelikke goed [20:22] almal in my familie weet dat daai goed geld kos en daar is geen behoefte om enige van daai goed te stuur [20:24] kry hulle ceo op iwitter en kerm by hom inetpro [20:24] twitter [20:24] het jy nog sy info? [20:25] Kilos: yep, maar ek ek sal maar eers kans gee voor ek dit gebruik [20:25] sjoe [20:25] desember en begin januarie is almal mos nog op holiday [20:26] of gaan na n voda winkle of even hulle hoofkantoor en se jy wil self op hulle pc's sien waar is dit heen [20:26] vergeet hulle holiday man [20:26] ek wet jou hy is elke dag op twitter [20:52] Kilos: voorspoed vir die nuwe jaar! [20:52] ek gaan nou afteken [20:52] moeg nou [20:52] selle daar dankie boetie [22:01] FP [22:01] Happy new year everyone [22:02] sleep tight