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|Slacker|does xubuntun go well on a 512mb ram system?01:09
GridCubeit wont fly but yes01:13
GridCube|Slacker|, if you care a lot about performance more than other things try lubuntu, or even tinycore if you just want to internets, but thats just me01:13
|Slacker|I have an old lappy...just want something a bit faster than ubuntu 11.10, it's too sluggish here...01:22
pleia2I'd give it a try and see what you think, everyone has a different tolerance for "slow" :)01:22
|Slacker|alright01:25
|Slacker|I'lll give it a try01:25
|Slacker|thanks people01:25
mongygnight01:37
Marzatalubuntu is not serious.01:51
pleia2this isn't really the place to make disparaging comments about other flavors01:52
aguitelhow to add item in aplication menu in xfce ?01:56
pleia2aguitel: what version of xubuntu?01:56
aguitelpleia2, i am in fedora 1601:57
pleia2I don't know what version of xfce that uses, pre 4.8 you needed to manually edit, 4.8 and onward you can use the alacart package to edit the menu01:57
pleia2(not sure what the alacart package is called in fedora either)01:58
aguitelpleia2, same name01:59
aguitelneed to install alacarte in xfce ?01:59
pleia2you can use alacarte to edit the xfce menu in 4.8, yes01:59
aguitelpleia2, i think alacarte is from gnome only02:00
aguitelpleia2, ok02:00
paulBirdi have no ~/.themes folder , any help haha?02:00
pleia2aguitel: xfce shares a lot with gnome, they both use gtk and the menu editor is the same02:01
aguitelpleia2, ok02:01
pleia2paulBird: I don't either, what problem are you trying to solve?02:01
paulBirdhah! and i want to install a XFCE theme02:02
pleia2paulBird: you can just mkdir .themes02:02
paulBirdare you sure???!02:02
paulBirdbut will the OS know that thats where to look for default themes??...02:03
pleia2(I haven't ever installed a custom theme, but if you need a themes directory called .themes/ that's what you should do to create it)02:03
pleia2it should02:03
paulBirdits worth a shot.. one min..02:03
paulBirdi found02:07
paulBirdthe correct dir for themes :)02:07
paulBird/usr/share/themes, pleia202:08
paulBird:)02:09
pleia2.themes/ is for a single user, /usr/share/themes will make them available to all users on the system02:09
paulBirdwell thats fine (for me, i have only 1 user)02:10
aguitelpleia2, i installed alacarte ,where is it? how launch it ?02:17
pleia2aguitel: I've never used it :) but you should be able to at least launch it from a terminal, or with the alt+f2 prompt02:19
paulBirdadding my theme to /usr/share/themes didn't work02:20
aguitelpleia2, say this :ImportError: No module named gmenu02:20
paulBirdit didnt show up in settings>appearance :(02:20
pleia2paulBird: settings > Window Manager02:21
pleia2it should show up under "themes"02:21
pleia2appearance is something different02:21
paulBirdpleia2: Thank you ha!02:21
pleia2aguitel: I'm really not familar enough with fedora, I'm sorry :(02:22
paulBirdhow do i get a transparent terminal window? i see that a lot..02:22
aguitelpleia2, no problem02:22
pleia2paulBird: you can either use a terminal that has transparency built in, or go to "window manager tweaks" and enable compositing and edit transparency for everything there02:23
pleia2I use rxvt-unicode and launch with: rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white +sb -tr -sh 1002:24
pleia2that makes it transparent with shading of "10"02:24
Pubuntuthank you02:25
Pubuntuwhat is rxvt? some window manager?02:30
Pubuntui just don't want it to slow me down02:31
pleia2it's a light weight terminal02:31
Pubuntucool02:31
kj4hello all02:44
kj4hehe. i thot the channel was silent for days turns out i had paged up02:45
* w30 never has done that.............02:46
w30only a few hours02:46
w30ha02:47
kj4yeah, i meant minutes02:49
kj4oh wait, 1 minute02:49
kj4how silly of you to have done that for hours02:49
Chr|s_anyone ever have an error when opening up your home folder "The Folder Could not be opened: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."03:24
Chr|s_it only does it once till I log off and back on again03:25
Chr|s_doh03:28
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ScuzzballI've tried googling this, but I can tell I'm wording it funny. I'm booting Xubuntu off a flash drive, and whenever I boot, there is that screen with options to boot off the flash drive, test the memory, boot off the primary hard drive, and some other stuff.  Is it possible to remove that screen, or at least change the default time on it?07:22
holsteinScuzzball: sure... but not easily... and not from the live USB07:22
ScuzzballOkay. Thanks.07:22
holsteini think the easiest way would be to get an alternate CD, and install to the USB stick, putting grub there07:23
holsteinthen, you'd just have the same GRUB options as you have with a normal installation07:23
holsteinyou might find some 3rd party USB booting options too... multiboot?07:23
holsteinhttp://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/07:24
holstein^^ im not sure if this has those options or not... might be a waste of time07:24
holsteinotherwise, we are talking about editing the live CD its self... totally doable... not trivial07:24
ScuzzballThat actually might be helpful for completely different reasons.07:24
ScuzzballHow would you edit the livecd?07:25
holsteinScuzzball: well, i wouldnt ;)07:25
ScuzzballNot the way you do it, but what you would do to it.07:25
ScuzzballOkay.07:25
holsteinbut i would start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization07:26
holsteinthe ways i have personally tried to build live CD's dont have those options07:26
ScuzzballOkay, that is cool.07:28
ScuzzballAnd makes lots of sense.07:28
holsteinScuzzball: im heading out... try #ubuntu-beginners if no one is around in here... o/07:30
ScuzzballOkay, thank you very much.07:30
holsteinScuzzball: not that you are a beginner.. just a nice, helpful, slower channel07:30
ScuzzballMakes sens.07:30
ScuzzballAnd it turns out that the boot menu is just some form of grub.07:31
ScuzzballSo I think I can set the timeout to 0.07:31
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pkugHi there, I'm trying to minimize memory consumption on my system.. i'm quite surprised that with Xubuntu I always get most of my RAM used (it's 512 MB) even with some services, modules disabled.. eventually it starts to swap and system becomes really slow. Would compiling a custom kernel help here in someway ?09:17
TheSheeppkug: I don't think so09:17
TheSheeppkug: but you can try09:17
Marzatahow much is most ram comparing it to the rest?09:18
pkugpkug@acer:~$ free09:18
pkug             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached09:18
pkugMem:        433168     423912       9256          0      74232     19346409:18
pkugI'm really not sure what's eating it, couldn't find anything suspicious in the process list (top/ps).09:19
pkugant i disabled some services and modules i don't need (like reiserfs which eats quite a bit..).09:20
TheSheeppkug: try xrestop09:21
Marzata512 MB will be fine for ubuntu server + openbox, but for xfce you'll need more to run it properly.09:23
pkugthat's weird.. was using Gentoo with xfce with even less memory, also other UNIX-like systems. Totally looks like kernel problem, I guess I should compile it without the stuff I need (turn off 1-2GB memory support etc.)09:27
Marzataubuntu server runs on less than 50 megs09:28
Marzataon 28 megs to be correct09:28
TheSheeponce the apps like web browsers start allocating video buffers in xorg, it starts to need a lot of ram09:30
Marzatathen just use lynx and you'll be sustainable :D09:31
pkugi already use midori.09:33
TheSheeppkug: use xrestop and see how many x resources that takes09:34
pkugdo you guys know if it's possible to run generic upstream kernel (from kernel.org) with config from scratch without many hassles ?09:34
Marzatawhy midori? lynx uses times less resources.09:34
Marzatapkug: then you will probably make your own distro.09:35
TheSheep!kernel09:36
ubottuThe core of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, and if you need to troubleshoot issues, you can try a !Mainline kernel instead, but if you insist, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (see also !Stages)09:36
TheSheep!mainline09:36
ubottuThe kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds09:36
pkugnot really, it's just kernel.. I want to use Xubuntu userland since i like it a lot.09:36
TheSheephere you go09:36
Marzatajust installed xubu 12.04 on 512 MB VBox, it uses 150 MB09:40
ScuzzballAt this point, I may be trying to go in the completely wrong direction.09:52
ScuzzballI'm trying to remove the installer boot menu.09:52
ScuzzballAs nowhere seems to talk about it, I'm hoping installing grub will override it.09:53
ScuzzballBut I can't install grub to a flash drive, as I keep doing stuff wrong.09:53
ScuzzballIs it the best plan to try to continue installing grub?09:53
AsturioHi there. Anyone using xubuntu in a dual head configuration?09:56
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Da|Mummyim having trouble enabling sound output through USB10:28
mongygood morning fellow xubuntians11:21
Da|Mummyim quickly falling in love with xubuntu. love the snappiness of xfce. im coming across some minor things that are bugging me though11:28
mongy?11:31
Da|Mummyfor one, i cant get audio output to usb11:33
mongynot something I've ever tried.  what sound server you using?  alsa or pulse11:36
Da|Mummyi guess xubuntu stock, which seems to be pulse now that i see, i guess i'll try alsa11:38
mongycould try installing pavcontrol and playing around with the config a bit..you might be able to see/select it there11:39
Da|Mummygreat! that fixed it. i need my headphones going through amp :}11:47
mongywhat fixed it11:57
Da|Mummypavucontrol for some reason, just changing every app that has sound to output to USB Audio DAC. no idea why it doesnt work in stock sound settings using alsa though12:06
Da|Mummythe other issue is, my wifi seems rather crippled.12:07
Da|Mummygood, but not what im supposed to have, or what i had with ubuntu12:07
mongywhat chipset12:11
mongyabout the usb sound, maybe alsa was muted12:12
jimbopeahi, wondering if someone could help me sort my resolution out. stuck at 1024x768 but its 1280x800. thans12:31
Da|Mummywhat have you tried so far?12:36
mongyxrandr -q12:36
mongygives a list of resolutions.12:37
mongysave me some time.. someone I helped some time ago. http://askubuntu.com/questions/63863/unknown-monitor-intel-driver-want-to-set-vga-resolution-to-widescreen-tv12:38
jimbopeatried qrandr, looked for xorg.conf but cant seem to find it. will follow that lint now12:41
jimbopeajust checked and its an sis771/67112:42
mongynot really important, just follow the xrandr commands and adjust to suit your own system12:43
jimbopeais grandr the same, because "Package xrandr is not available"12:46
jimbopeain grandr though shows highest of 1024x76812:47
mongyod.d just install it.  its a minimal shell utility12:48
mongyodd*12:49
jimbopeaPackage xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package.12:50
jimbopeaHowever the following packages replace it:12:50
jimbopea  x11-xserver-utils12:50
mongyyeah I just tried it.  a new thing in 11.10 it seems.  install it then12:51
mongyI can't vouch for any other randr util, only ever used xrandr and did the job12:51
jimbopeax11-xserver-utils is already installed, however nothing happens when i type the command in12:51
mongyit's installed on mine already.. works.12:52
jimbopeado i have to type x11-xserver-utils into command line? sorry for being a noob :-(12:52
mongyno, xrandr12:53
mongysudo apt-get install --reinstall x11-xserver-utils12:53
jimbopeaxrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default12:53
jimbopeaScreen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 76812:53
jimbopeadefault connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm12:54
jimbopea1024x768       61.0*12:54
mongyyou'l have to add a new mode then if you want higher than 102412:54
jimbopea800x600        61.012:54
jimbopeahow do i do that?12:54
mongyas I said, follow http://askubuntu.com/a/64125/2619812:54
mongycvt 1280 800      to begin with12:55
jimbopeaget this error when i try to add mode12:56
jimbopeaxrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default12:56
jimbopeaok i did cvt 1280 80012:56
jimbopeagave me this12:57
jimbopea# 1280x800 59.81 Hz (CVT 1.02MA) hsync: 49.70 kHz; pclk: 83.50 MHz12:57
jimbopeaModeline "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync12:57
ScuzzballOkay, I have a network question. I don't have wireless drivers yet, so I'm running over an ethernet cable. I can't ping google.com. But I can ping it's IP. I manually set my DNS server to 8.8.8.8 (Google's DNS server for when comcast screws up), but it still doesn't work.12:57
mongyjimbopea: follow the guide.   --newmode12:59
mongyjimbopea: xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync12:59
mongyjimbopea: xrandr --addmode default 1280x800_60.0013:02
mongyjimbopea: xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800_60.0013:03
jimbopeadid that and got this error13:03
jimbopeaxrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default13:03
jimbopeaon the addmode--13:03
jimbopeanewmode-- sorry13:05
jimbopeafollowed by this line X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)13:05
mongyhmm.. stumped13:06
jimbopeacould it be because of the driver? thanks btw13:07
mongyis that the only one listed, 'default'13:09
mongywhen you xrandr -q13:09
mayyin1I want to sign out Ubuntu One. I can't find the logout button.13:10
mongytry arandr, its a gui, looks ok13:12
jimbopeabrb13:14
mongyor install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi13:15
mongyif they are missing.....13:15
mongyScuzzball: where did you set the dns13:17
ScuzzballIn settings -> Network Connections -> wired -> edit -> IPV4 settings13:18
ScuzzballChaned metod to "Automatic(DHCP) adresses only13:18
ScuzzballAnd added 8.8.8.8 to DNS servers.13:18
ScuzzballI didn't touch Search domains or DHCP client ID.13:18
ScuzzballShould I have?13:19
mongynot needed, normally.  what does the connection info say13:21
ScuzzballSays the DNS is 8.8.8.813:22
mongyI just did the same thing and works13:22
mongyit did reconnect though, did yours?13:22
ScuzzballI forced it to, so yes.13:22
mongycat /etc/resolv.conf says?13:23
Scuzzball...13:23
ScuzzballInput/output error13:23
mongyhuh13:24
mongyll /etc/resolv.conf  what are the perms13:24
Scuzzball...Question marks.13:25
mongyoh dear.   sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf13:25
mongywonder what/how network-manager did that..13:25
ScuzzballCant access it.13:25
ScuzzballI could try replacing it with an empty file in windows.13:26
ScuzzballI'm running from a flash drive, by the way.13:26
mongylive?13:26
ScuzzballYah.13:26
mongyyeah, remove and remake it with nameserver 8.8.8.813:27
ScuzzballOh, resolv.conf.tmp has that.13:27
ScuzzballI'll just copy it over.13:27
ScuzzballOr not, doesn't work.13:28
mongyreboot and try again?  it's live mode13:28
ScuzzballHuh. 7-zip doesn't support deleting it.13:29
ScuzzballAnd the size is zero according to 7zip.13:30
ScuzzballPermissions are -r--r--r--13:30
mongy7zip, what?13:30
ScuzzballFile compression program in windows.13:30
mongyyeah, I know, but, Why?13:30
ScuzzballCause I wanted to look at the files?13:31
ScuzzballThat are in filesystem.squashfs in the casper directory on the flashdrive?13:31
mongyyou aint supposed to mess with that13:31
ScuzzballI know.13:31
ScuzzballSo?13:31
ScuzzballHaven't changed anything there.13:31
mongyand now you have probs..13:31
ScuzzballFair enough.13:31
ScuzzballI'll try a reinstall then.13:31
mongymaybe it's a bad iso you used to write to the usb13:32
ScuzzballDon't think so, got it from the official torrent.13:32
mongyor sometihng went wry when making the usb stick.13:32
jimbopeaarandr throwing up errors aswell :-/13:34
jimbopeaok, if i go into display settings now 1280x800 is there, however when i choose it nothing changes13:38
mongyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting_resolution_changes_in_xorg.conf  see if you can make sense of that13:40
ScuzzballWeee, hashes don't check out.13:44
ScuzzballOh, wait I just suck at reading.13:45
ScuzzballTorrent protocol has a built in hash checking.13:46
ScuzzballCool.13:46
mongycan you boot the iso in vmware/vbox and test it13:49
mongysee if the problem exists still13:49
mongyjimbopea: post your question on askubuntu, someone with more info might be able to help.14:16
QuantoRHi, im on a intel 64bit CPU. Which xubuntu version should i download? the amd 64 or the i386?14:17
mongyamd6414:18
QuantoRok, thc14:18
QuantoRthx*14:18
QuantoRwhy is it still named amd64?14:19
jimbopeadidnt amd release the first 64bit instruction set14:19
jimbopeathink its something to do with that14:19
TheSheepQuantoR: because Intel and AMD had different, incompatible 64bit architectures and in the end AMD's proved to be better and survived14:20
TheSheepQuantoR: today both intel and amd (and others) processors use that architecture14:21
QuantoRah ok14:21
QuantoRthx!14:21
ScuzzballWorks now.14:39
ScuzzballOkay, new batch of problems.15:32
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ScuzzballWhile running sudo apt-get upgrade, I get "cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab15:33
ScuzzballAnd right before that, "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical decvice of overlayfs"15:33
mongyScuzzball: igmore it.15:33
mongyignore even15:33
ScuzzballOkay.15:33
ScuzzballEven though it seems to have stopped?15:34
mongydo you have any encrypted partitions?15:34
ScuzzballNope.15:34
mongyigmore it anyway..  I use it and had that once in 11.04, still worked.15:34
ScuzzballShould I kill it and restart the update?15:34
mongyahhhh me and my typos15:34
ScuzzballHah.15:34
mongyit's just a message when upgrading the package15:35
ScuzzballOkay.15:35
mongyyou installed this then?15:36
ScuzzballNo, I just ran upgrade.15:38
ScuzzballAnd it still hasn't done anything since.15:38
ScuzzballSense?15:38
ScuzzballSomething.15:38
ScuzzballSound the same.15:38
mongyupgrade on a live?15:40
ScuzzballYeah.15:49
ScuzzballIt's on USB, and it has a persistant file of probably near seven GB.15:49
ScuzzballIt's an 8GB flash drive.15:49
ScuzzballAnd the upgrade still hasn't moved.15:49
mongyouch15:52
ScuzzballThink I'm going to kill it and restart it.15:52
ScuzzballAt worst I reinstall again.15:52
mongyit will be very slow on a usb15:52
ScuzzballOh, entire computer is frozen.15:53
mongycheck iotop -o to see what its doing15:53
mongyoops15:53
mongyctrl alt f115:53
mongysee if it gives you a login to tty15:54
Scuzzball...Huh.15:54
ScuzzballThe battery was loose and fell out.15:54
ScuzzballI didn't know batteries could do that.15:54
mongylol15:54
ScuzzballWell, restarting...15:54
Scuzzballsudo userdel -r username is the one that removes everything, right?15:56
mongyyup15:56
ScuzzballOkay, now it's asking me what my preferred terminal emulator is.15:58
ScuzzballThe only option is other.15:58
Ryllez89!iphone15:58
ubottuFor information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod15:58
Ryllez89!rockbox15:59
ubotturockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started!15:59
ScuzzballIt said dpkg was interrupted, run 'dudo dpkg --configure -a' to fix it.16:02
ScuzzballRunning that.16:02
ScuzzballHow can I force a user to log out?16:02
ScuzzballIt stuck me with an account called ubuntu, no password, and admin rights.16:03
ScuzzballAnd it won't let me delte it, claims it's logged in.16:03
mongythat's the live user16:04
ScuzzballYeah.16:05
ScuzzballI managed to delete it last time, not sure how.16:05
mongyadd another user and login and remove16:05
ScuzzballWell, the command "I have." doesn't exist.16:05
ScuzzballOops.16:05
ScuzzballBut yeah, it says it's logged in.16:06
mongykillall -u ubuntu16:07
ScuzzballCannot find user ubuntu.16:08
mongymade another user?16:08
ScuzzballI have.16:08
mongywho -u16:08
ScuzzballI think it may have lied at me, I'll restart and see what's up.16:08
ScuzzballSays ubuntu is on.16:09
mongyknow the id?16:09
ScuzzballBut whoami returns me.16:09
ScuzzballThe process ID?16:09
mongyye16:09
ScuzzballYeah, I can kill those.16:09
ScuzzballStill there.16:10
ScuzzballEven though I killed them.16:10
mongykillall -9 whatever16:10
ScuzzballProcess doesn't exist.16:11
ScuzzballBut who -u still claims it does.16:11
ScuzzballSo I'm going to restart and see if the user is still ther.16:11
mongytry skill -KILL -u username16:12
ScuzzballOkay, restarting from a flash drive doesn't work or something.16:14
mongya seriously hosed upgrade process aborted :)16:15
ScuzzballProbably.16:15
ScuzzballThe user is gone!16:16
ScuzzballGreat success.16:16
ScuzzballHey, wifi even works16:17
mongyit's mostly 'just there' these days16:17
ScuzzballI'm on a dell inspiron 2200.16:18
ScuzzballWireless drivers aren't supposed to work for that.16:18
mongywho says.. since when16:18
ScuzzballBut I guess these random ones did.16:18
ScuzzballEverywhere said last time I tried.16:19
ScuzzballWhich was like two weeks ago, with ubuntu.16:19
mongywhat chipset16:19
ScuzzballDunno. who's with dell?16:20
mongymostly broadcom lately16:20
ScuzzballBut the first google result for "dell inspiron 2200 linux wireless drivers" says "There is no native Linux driver for this card, but you can use NdisWrapper 1.2 included with SuSE 10.0 to use the Windows driver under Linux. "16:20
ScuzzballSounds right.16:20
mongybroadcom is fine16:20
ScuzzballBut whatever, found some random thread that didn't work for the guy, but worked for me.16:21
mongymine is dell studio 1747 with broadcom16:21
mongylspci | grep Network16:21
ScuzzballBroadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11 Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)16:23
mongyjust the b43 driver then16:25
mongyI see no problem16:25
Scuzzballb43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer16:25
ScuzzballThat was what I got.16:25
ScuzzballBut there are many threads of failure getting this specific model to work on wireless.16:25
mongyfirmware-b43 is fine yeah16:25
ScuzzballDunno why.16:25
mongyhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx16:25
ScuzzballI know Backtrack 5 R1 supported it by default.16:26
ScuzzballWhatever, it works.16:26
ScuzzballOnto finding a mouse.16:26
mongyawesome, zukitwo updated with an xfwm4 theme;16:32
fennecHello16:37
fennecI've been having a small problem on 11.1016:38
fennecI want to change the internal UI of programs like the software center to the default greybird (I think) theme16:38
fennecI'm using clearlooks but some programs that use that theme dont look very good16:39
fennecActually using industriial, sorry16:40
fennec?16:41
fennecAnyone?16:47
mongytime to update my custom iso16:49
mongyfennec: if you want grey, try zukitwo16:50
mongyhas just been updated to add an xfwm window theme.  pretty nice16:50
fennecWill it keep the fancy UI's in the software center etc then?16:50
mongyjust looked and yes, it does16:51
fennecBecause I kinda prefer the white in industrial16:51
fennecI'll check it out16:51
mongyhttp://imgur.com/tSQ0R16:52
fennecI don't really care for that dark theme16:53
fennecI've customized my current one a bit and want to keep it16:53
ScuzzballTrauma is free?16:53
fennecI'll post a pic16:53
fennecNo i think its like $316:54
mongyfennec: then just use the appearance part of zukitwo..16:54
mongythere is a non dark variant..16:54
mongyalso..16:54
fennecOh okay.'16:54
mongygreybird is quite a dark theme16:56
mongydark menus anyway16:56
fennecBut in the sofware center etc it has a brushed metal look16:57
fennecAnd in industrial it doesnt keep that16:57
fennecPic's comingg16:57
mongyyeah just looked, looks ok to me?16:57
mongyoh industrial.  well thats a bit of a crap theme to me anyway16:58
fennechttp://oi42.tinypic.com/34ozdab.jpg17:01
fennecYou can see how the sofware center looks bland17:02
fennecBut I like the rest17:02
mongymy eyes!17:03
fennec?17:03
mongytoo much white for my eyes17:03
fennec>.<17:03
mongyyeah I see what you mean..  it's like the effect you get when running gksu apps and your theme isnt in /usr/share/themes17:04
fennecYeah17:05
fennecI'm looking through other themes right now17:05
fennecI tried adjusting the window themes, but they dont change it17:05
fennecI really dont want to attempt to modify the themes either17:06
mongyzukitwo (not zukito-dark) is alittle like your theme.  try it17:06
mongycan just use it as the appearance, and keep greybird as window theme..17:07
fennecI'll try zukitwo. Window themes change the panels which I quite like17:09
fennecdont change*17:09
fennecim mean full17:09
fennec>.<17:09
fennecNevermind :p17:11
fennecI'm going to try Zuki and Simpleton17:16
fennecSadly I'm on vacation and my wireless appears to be delivered by mail17:17
fennecZuki makes my dock  look... strange17:24
mongyis usc looking not great really a problem. I mean, how many times you use it, how often you have to look at it.17:27
fennecIt effects quite a few other programs to17:27
fennecExtrations, updates, others17:27
mongyare they all apps that used to need su perms in earlier versions?17:32
fennecI dont know. I just switched to xubuntu a week ago17:34
fennecI don't think so17:34
ScuzzballTewnty five minuets till new steam sales!17:36
lordjjHappy New Year's Xubuntu people17:36
ScuzzballHappy new years!17:36
fennecI'm going to be going through the Tijuana border at midnight tonight!17:37
fennec:D17:37
fennecI'm serious >.<17:37
ScuzzballCool.17:37
fennecTrying to get home before the rain of bullets17:37
ScuzzballFun times.17:38
fennecNow I'm just looking for a theme that has nice panels and keep the fancy ui's17:41
fennecDo you know of any others besides Zuki?17:41
mongythere is a modification of it, zukitwo-brave17:43
mongyhow much it's modified I dont know17:43
fennecI have a fly on my head17:43
lordjjCould one of those military funded projects17:43
lordjjReconnaissance flies...17:44
fennecMaybe its running linux!17:44
fennec>plugs in fly to usb port17:44
ScuzzballHow does USB work, actually?17:44
lordjjlsof17:44
fennecUsb is magic17:45
ScuzzballYeah, this is what I've seen.17:45
fennecInvented by wizards millions of years ago17:45
ScuzzballI kinda understand how the PS/2 ports work for keyboards.17:45
ScuzzballKinda.17:45
ScuzzballWell, I kinda understand how it gets the data values it magically sends on them.17:46
lordjjhttp://www.howstuffworks.com/usb.htm ?17:46
lordjjYep, not creepy at all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCLBG9KeX417:47
mongyfennec: evolve looks a nice white theme17:47
ScuzzballLordjj, tha is amazing.17:48
fennecIn the future, children will mind control flies to have dogfights17:50
fennecThis is fact17:51
ScuzzballThis is a wonderous future.17:51
ScuzzballAlso, terrifying.17:51
ScuzzballBut whatever.17:51
ScuzzballDystopia is a cool place.17:51
fennecI live there17:51
ScuzzballWell, interesting, at least.17:51
ScuzzballReally?17:52
fennecYes. You are still in the past17:52
ScuzzballAh.17:52
ScuzzballTerrible.17:52
ScuzzballWait, weren't you on the west coast?17:53
fennecWest coast of dystopia 8D17:53
ScuzzballI'm ahead of you by three hours!17:53
fennecThats what they want you to think17:53
ScuzzballAh.17:54
ScuzzballA capitalist scheme?17:54
fennecNo17:57
fennecAliens17:57
fennecDum-dum duuuuuuum17:57
lordjjYou know what, this is creepier... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedXMbvabbk17:57
ScuzzballCapitalist aliens.17:57
lordjjA robot controls a human...17:57
fennecYou free software soviet17:58
fennecIn soviet russia, software takes apart you!18:00
ScuzzballThat robot controlling human arm thing.18:01
ScuzzballThat should be possible for me to do, if I cared enough.18:01
ScuzzballNot the programming bit.18:01
fennecI'm going to make my dog radio controlled18:01
ScuzzballThe make your arm twich in a controlled method bit.18:01
fennecStrange conversation is strange18:04
ScuzzballBah.18:05
ScuzzballIt's just a strategic taser.18:05
fennecOh, that makes it seem so much more normal18:06
fennec>.<18:06
ScuzzballSeriously! That's all it is!18:06
ScuzzballTasers aren't hard to do, just a few capacitors.18:06
fennec:p18:07
fennecAnyone here use MythTV?18:16
mongyyup18:16
fennecI've been trying to convince my dad to let me set up an old laptop with it18:17
fennecCan you keep your normal tv going through it?18:17
holsteinsplit the cable signal.. the TV will remain as is... the trick will be getting the computer onto the TV and getting the cable into the computer18:19
mongynot done that much with it, just plugged usb tuner in, run mythtv and watch tv18:19
fennecAh18:19
fennecDoes it have many of the same channels?18:19
fennecAnd does it cost money?18:19
fennec:p18:19
mongy?18:20
fennecMany of the channels that we get on cable18:20
fennecI'm just not sure where it gets the actual feed from18:20
mongymine is a regular fta tuner..I watch regular uk 'freeview'18:20
fennecAh okay18:20
holsteinfennec: check out some docs.. myth can capture TV18:21
holsteinit'll capture (like a DVR) your current situation18:21
mongyyou setup your tuner to do the work, or whatever capture card18:21
fennecCan you change it to get other worldwide TV18:21
holsteinyou pay for what you are paying for18:21
fennecGetting rallying in the US is very difficult >.<18:21
holsteinfennec: you can have it capture whatever you have the ability to capture18:21
fennecOkay.18:22
fennecSo can I set  it up to only use the internet?18:22
holsteinit will not make you more or less likely to 'hack' any extra content18:22
mongytry #mythtv18:22
holsteinfennec: its open, you can literally set it up as you please.. but the point of it is to capture, and to share the content with other computers on the network... or to watch your home TV away from home18:23
fennecAh18:23
fennecI'm just looking for some kind of linux internet tv/dvr18:23
holsteinthrough that set up there are other side-effects... and there are lots of extras that allow watching/streaming other content from box to box, or to your TV... or whatever18:23
mongymiro?18:23
fennecI'll check it out18:24
holsteinfennec: you would get a capture card like mongy mentioned, and configure it18:24
fennecWell miro isn't quite a replacement for a dvr18:25
fennecBasically we want to switch from cox to internet tv but still have it work like a dvr with a remote etc18:26
holsteinfennec: just fire up a web browser, and search around for content18:26
holsteinthats what its like to have internet TV, at least for now... there are services like hulu plus18:27
fennecSo I suppose its either going to be similar to a computer or just specialized for portable media?18:27
holsteinwe have no cable... i use netflix mostly to a roku box... and i use hulu (the free one) and crackle18:27
holsteinfennec: ?.. if you want to access internet content, it'll need to be something with a browser18:28
holsteini personally find appliances to be limiting... so i like to just have a computer near the TV hooked up to it... but that is also a bit or a drag18:29
fennecwell I think I'll try out mythtv at some point and do something similar to this http://www.winstanleys.org/tech/mythtv/18:29
holsteinthere are boxee boxes, roku's.. other netflix players... its an interesting time we live in :)18:29
holsteinfennec: you either get freeview, or you dont18:30
holsteinhere, i would, but i just dont bother with it18:30
fennecFreeview isnt quite easily availible in the us18:32
holsteinyeah?... its free... you get the hardware and it comes in, or you are too far away18:32
fennecI'm way to far off from the satellite beam18:33
fennecApparently there isnt freeview in dystopia :(18:33
holsteinwell, if you can get in town, and check it out, im sure you'll find like i did, that its not worth the hassle... setting up a compatible capture card and all that...18:33
fennecOkay, thanks18:34
holsteinif you stream all your content as i do, you need no capture cards, nor big hard drives... just internet, and a web browser18:35
holsteinfennec: whatever device you are typing on right now is capable of this.. otherwise, you'll need to get your wallet out18:35
thor_Hey how do i change from thunar to pcmanfm. I have uninstall thunar and install pcmanfm, but i cant get map on the desktop ??19:06
thor_I just have a emty desktop ??19:08
mongythor_: can you right click and selec settings19:16
thor_mongy how do i do that19:21
mongywhat do yo mean, empty.19:21
mongycan you still right click the desktop and view menu19:22
thor_mongy i mean that i have no desktop. i cant right click on the desktop19:23
mongyalt F2?19:23
thor_mongy dosent work19:23
thor_dos not19:23
mongyctrl alt F119:23
mongylogin, install thunar again,19:24
mongyswitch back to desktop with ctrl alt F719:24
mongythink he switched before I got to tell him how to get back :(19:26
|Slacker|xubuntu runs very well on my old lappy20:20
mongycool20:24
pleia2|Slacker|: glad to hear it :)20:24
|Slacker|yes20:26
|Slacker|I'm happy20:26
|Slacker|had to do that cuz my netbook power cable ain't working20:27
mongyjust need the power bug fixing overall.. I booted a custom usb stick on someones lappy at work to show them, and ran frozen bubble, browser, navigated a few things, then left it for a few mins.. it demolished her battery20:28
TheSheepdemolished?20:30
mongywasted20:30
mongywent from full to flat in no time20:30
TheSheepwell, that's normal with cpu-intensive things like games and javascript and flash on web pages20:31
mongyused it for about 10 mins, then left it for another 10 maybe...20:31
mongyI had a few laptops I linux 3.0 kernel on ,whatever distro, they all suffered the same20:32
TheSheepah, because the 3.x kernels don't turn powersaving on components that BIOS doesn't report as powersaving-capable, and a lot of BIOSes are buggy and don't report that20:33
mongyeither way,  fix please kkthxbai20:34
TheSheepmongy: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=120:34
TheSheepmongy: there is a boot option you can enable to work around that20:35
mongyI read about that, but read a few people say it made no difference20:36
mongyI could try it next time I guess.20:36
Ryllez89guys, what i do for my iphone 4 work in xubuntu?21:04
fennecHello again21:07
mongyanother reason I won't buy an idevice21:11
multipasstack one on to the list21:12
multipasslibiphone21:12
multipassis what you need i think21:12
multipassbut still, its probably not goign to do what you want it to21:13
multipassi had one for a few months21:13
multipassluckily i switched to android21:14
mongynexus is next on my list21:14
multipassi have a thunderbolt atm21:14
mongycan't quite justify the full galaxy21:14
multipassim verizon so im limited21:15
multipassbut droid razr seems awesome21:15
multipasshows xubuntu 11.10 as far as stability. i was thinking of switching from ubuntu 10.0421:25
multipassi just use it for web development mainly21:25
multipassi dislike unity21:25
fennecIts great21:26
fennecI love it21:26
fennecI switched from unity to21:26
fennecYou can keep getting updates unlick 10.04 on Classic mode and have a great XFCE desktop21:27
fennecunlike*21:27
multipassyeah xfce looks very nice21:28
multipassno crashes etc?21:28
fennecNope pretty much as stable as ubuntu21:29
fennecMine froze once but thats all21:29
fennecIts kind of like Gnome 2.x but faster21:30
fennecThere isn't quite the orginization of it but its still very easy to get used to21:31
ashley_I am new to xubuntu and I want to connect my laptop running xubuntu to my tv using hdmi.. how can i do this regards21:31
fennec1. Plug in HDMI to computer21:34
mongyplug it in?21:34
fennec2. Plug into TV21:34
fennec3. ?????21:34
fennec4.  PROFIT21:34
multipass^21:35
insinfree says I'm using 1.5GB of RAM, XFCE System Load Monitor and Task Manager say 400MB and never seem to go above 500MB - are they known to be inaccurate?21:35
mongymy xubuntu completely logged me out for no reason while I was running a couple of vm's , watching some tv and some other stuff once, not since though.  still don't know what it was21:35
mongyinsin: free -m21:35
mongyinsin: I have 8gb ram and Im using it all :)  but in reality only using 1.5gig21:36
fennecashley_: your going to need to be more specific21:36
mongyinsin: -/+ buffers/cache: is the line you need if you want a real ram usage21:37
insinah!21:37
mongyram is there to be used..  windows sadly does not see this.21:37
mongylikes to use swap anwyay21:37
mongyas an aside, I have my vm.swappiness=021:38
insindoes that not make those monitors a bit useless? They *never* go over 500 MB for me so it looks like I'm never making use of  my RAM, but swapping like hell - I have my swappiness at 0 too as a result21:38
mongyinsin: they report ram usage by apps21:41
mongyinsin: free reports ram and buffers21:42
mongybuffers are ram used but instantly available if an app needs21:42
mongyinsin: insin your swappiness will most likely be 6021:43
mongyhow much ram you have?21:43
insinI set it to 0 when it looked like I was swapping all the time21:43
insin2GB21:44
mongycat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness21:44
mongyis all 2gb detected?21:45
mongyit should use most of your ram before swap...21:45
mongya tip, use the zramswap-enabler tool, it speeds the usage of swap considerably.21:46
insinloooks like it , but 1045 is cached according to free - I was using the system load monitor to try to detect when I needed to kill Firefox off to avoid swapping while working, but its mem bar just never fills up - I only recently started with desktop linux, so clearly need to get used to the fact that it reports mem usage differently than windows :)21:49
insinta21:49
mongycache isnt looked up as ram used as its all temp stuff that is still available for an app to use21:51
mongyso most these system monitors are telling the truth mostly, since they report ram usage21:52
mongytired of my SE phone rebooting when playing certain mp3's22:25
mongyIt's had like 4 or 5 firmware updates already. gah. Nexus is a calling22:26
fennecTheres this car alarm going off right now22:30
fennecIt was on ast night to22:30
fennecWelcome to mexico 8D22:30
fennecDoes anyone actually use #xubuntu-offtopic ?22:31
paulBirdi dont have the 'deb' command! where can i get it ha?22:53
mongy?22:55
paulBirdwhen i type 'deb' on cmd line22:56
paulBirdit complains that i dont have the command..22:56
paulBirdplease help :\22:59
mongycorrect, you don't22:59
paulBirdwell i know that.23:00
mongywhat are you trying to do ?23:00
paulBirdtrying to use the deb cmd23:00
mongythere isn't one23:00
mongydo you mean dpkg ?23:00
mongyto install a deb?23:00
kj4happy new year xubus23:00
paulBirdnvm, fixed23:00
kj4wooohoooooo23:00
paulBirdhappy new year everyone23:01
paulBird:) bye23:01
w30well.... deb sounds better than dpkg. dpkg sounds Italian or Brooklyn-ese, hehheh23:05
mongya nice alias would come in handy I guess for such23:05
mongyor he could have just clicked on it23:06
w30install de package on de computer23:06
thy-bonne année tout le monde, tout ca tout ca, meilleurs voeux machin tout ca, bonne santé et toutes les salutations d'usage /amg23:07
w30thanks, thy-23:18
thy-:-)23:19
w30vous aussi23:20

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