[01:09] <|Slacker|> does xubuntun go well on a 512mb ram system?
[01:13] <GridCube> it wont fly but yes
[01:13] <GridCube> |Slacker|, if you care a lot about performance more than other things try lubuntu, or even tinycore if you just want to internets, but thats just me
[01:22] <|Slacker|> I have an old lappy...just want something a bit faster than ubuntu 11.10, it's too sluggish here...
[01:22] <pleia2> I'd give it a try and see what you think, everyone has a different tolerance for "slow" :)
[01:25] <|Slacker|> alright
[01:25] <|Slacker|> I'lll give it a try
[01:25] <|Slacker|> thanks people
[01:37] <mongy> gnight
[01:51] <Marzata> lubuntu is not serious.
[01:52] <pleia2> this isn't really the place to make disparaging comments about other flavors
[01:56] <aguitel> how to add item in aplication menu in xfce ?
[01:56] <pleia2> aguitel: what version of xubuntu?
[01:57] <aguitel> pleia2, i am in fedora 16
[01:57] <pleia2> I don't know what version of xfce that uses, pre 4.8 you needed to manually edit, 4.8 and onward you can use the alacart package to edit the menu
[01:58] <pleia2> (not sure what the alacart package is called in fedora either)
[01:59] <aguitel> pleia2, same name
[01:59] <aguitel> need to install alacarte in xfce ?
[01:59] <pleia2> you can use alacarte to edit the xfce menu in 4.8, yes
[02:00] <aguitel> pleia2, i think alacarte is from gnome only
[02:00] <aguitel> pleia2, ok
[02:00] <paulBird> i have no ~/.themes folder , any help haha?
[02:01] <pleia2> aguitel: xfce shares a lot with gnome, they both use gtk and the menu editor is the same
[02:01] <aguitel> pleia2, ok
[02:01] <pleia2> paulBird: I don't either, what problem are you trying to solve?
[02:02] <paulBird> hah! and i want to install a XFCE theme
[02:02] <pleia2> paulBird: you can just mkdir .themes
[02:02] <paulBird> are you sure???!
[02:03] <paulBird> but will the OS know that thats where to look for default themes??...
[02:03] <pleia2> (I haven't ever installed a custom theme, but if you need a themes directory called .themes/ that's what you should do to create it)
[02:03] <pleia2> it should
[02:03] <paulBird> its worth a shot.. one min..
[02:07] <paulBird> i found
[02:07] <paulBird> the correct dir for themes :)
[02:08] <paulBird> /usr/share/themes, pleia2
[02:09] <paulBird> :)
[02:09] <pleia2> .themes/ is for a single user, /usr/share/themes will make them available to all users on the system
[02:10] <paulBird> well thats fine (for me, i have only 1 user)
[02:17] <aguitel> pleia2, i installed alacarte ,where is it? how launch it ?
[02:19] <pleia2> aguitel: I've never used it :) but you should be able to at least launch it from a terminal, or with the alt+f2 prompt
[02:20] <paulBird> adding my theme to /usr/share/themes didn't work
[02:20] <aguitel> pleia2, say this :ImportError: No module named gmenu
[02:20] <paulBird> it didnt show up in settings>appearance :(
[02:21] <pleia2> paulBird: settings > Window Manager
[02:21] <pleia2> it should show up under "themes"
[02:21] <pleia2> appearance is something different
[02:21] <paulBird> pleia2: Thank you ha!
[02:22] <pleia2> aguitel: I'm really not familar enough with fedora, I'm sorry :(
[02:22] <paulBird> how do i get a transparent terminal window? i see that a lot..
[02:22] <aguitel> pleia2, no problem
[02:23] <pleia2> paulBird: you can either use a terminal that has transparency built in, or go to "window manager tweaks" and enable compositing and edit transparency for everything there
[02:24] <pleia2> I use rxvt-unicode and launch with: rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white +sb -tr -sh 10
[02:24] <pleia2> that makes it transparent with shading of "10"
[02:25] <Pubuntu> thank you
[02:30] <Pubuntu> what is rxvt? some window manager?
[02:31] <Pubuntu> i just don't want it to slow me down
[02:31] <pleia2> it's a light weight terminal
[02:31] <Pubuntu> cool
[02:44] <kj4> hello all
[02:45] <kj4> hehe. i thot the channel was silent for days turns out i had paged up
[02:46]  * w30 never has done that.............
[02:46] <w30> only a few hours
[02:47] <w30> ha
[02:49] <kj4> yeah, i meant minutes
[02:49] <kj4> oh wait, 1 minute
[02:49] <kj4> how silly of you to have done that for hours
[03:24] <Chr|s_> anyone ever have an error when opening up your home folder "The Folder Could not be opened: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken."
[03:25] <Chr|s_> it only does it once till I log off and back on again
[03:28] <Chr|s_> doh
[07:22] <Scuzzball> I've tried googling this, but I can tell I'm wording it funny. I'm booting Xubuntu off a flash drive, and whenever I boot, there is that screen with options to boot off the flash drive, test the memory, boot off the primary hard drive, and some other stuff.  Is it possible to remove that screen, or at least change the default time on it?
[07:22] <holstein> Scuzzball: sure... but not easily... and not from the live USB
[07:22] <Scuzzball> Okay. Thanks.
[07:23] <holstein> i think the easiest way would be to get an alternate CD, and install to the USB stick, putting grub there
[07:23] <holstein> then, you'd just have the same GRUB options as you have with a normal installation
[07:23] <holstein> you might find some 3rd party USB booting options too... multiboot?
[07:24] <holstein> http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/
[07:24] <holstein> ^^ im not sure if this has those options or not... might be a waste of time
[07:24] <holstein> otherwise, we are talking about editing the live CD its self... totally doable... not trivial
[07:24] <Scuzzball> That actually might be helpful for completely different reasons.
[07:25] <Scuzzball> How would you edit the livecd?
[07:25] <holstein> Scuzzball: well, i wouldnt ;)
[07:25] <Scuzzball> Not the way you do it, but what you would do to it.
[07:25] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[07:26] <holstein> but i would start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:26] <holstein> the ways i have personally tried to build live CD's dont have those options
[07:28] <Scuzzball> Okay, that is cool.
[07:28] <Scuzzball> And makes lots of sense.
[07:30] <holstein> Scuzzball: im heading out... try #ubuntu-beginners if no one is around in here... o/
[07:30] <Scuzzball> Okay, thank you very much.
[07:30] <holstein> Scuzzball: not that you are a beginner.. just a nice, helpful, slower channel
[07:30] <Scuzzball> Makes sens.
[07:31] <Scuzzball> And it turns out that the boot menu is just some form of grub.
[07:31] <Scuzzball> So I think I can set the timeout to 0.
[09:17] <pkug> Hi there, I'm trying to minimize memory consumption on my system.. i'm quite surprised that with Xubuntu I always get most of my RAM used (it's 512 MB) even with some services, modules disabled.. eventually it starts to swap and system becomes really slow. Would compiling a custom kernel help here in someway ?
[09:17] <TheSheep> pkug: I don't think so
[09:17] <TheSheep> pkug: but you can try
[09:18] <Marzata> how much is most ram comparing it to the rest?
[09:18] <pkug> pkug@acer:~$ free
[09:18] <pkug>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[09:18] <pkug> Mem:        433168     423912       9256          0      74232     193464
[09:19] <pkug> I'm really not sure what's eating it, couldn't find anything suspicious in the process list (top/ps).
[09:20] <pkug> ant i disabled some services and modules i don't need (like reiserfs which eats quite a bit..).
[09:21] <TheSheep> pkug: try xrestop
[09:23] <Marzata> 512 MB will be fine for ubuntu server + openbox, but for xfce you'll need more to run it properly.
[09:27] <pkug> that's weird.. was using Gentoo with xfce with even less memory, also other UNIX-like systems. Totally looks like kernel problem, I guess I should compile it without the stuff I need (turn off 1-2GB memory support etc.)
[09:28] <Marzata> ubuntu server runs on less than 50 megs
[09:28] <Marzata> on 28 megs to be correct
[09:30] <TheSheep> once the apps like web browsers start allocating video buffers in xorg, it starts to need a lot of ram
[09:31] <Marzata> then just use lynx and you'll be sustainable :D
[09:33] <pkug> i already use midori.
[09:34] <TheSheep> pkug: use xrestop and see how many x resources that takes
[09:34] <pkug> do you guys know if it's possible to run generic upstream kernel (from kernel.org) with config from scratch without many hassles ?
[09:34] <Marzata> why midori? lynx uses times less resources.
[09:35] <Marzata> pkug: then you will probably make your own distro.
[09:36] <TheSheep> !kernel
[09:36] <TheSheep> !mainline
[09:36] <pkug> not really, it's just kernel.. I want to use Xubuntu userland since i like it a lot.
[09:36] <TheSheep> here you go
[09:40] <Marzata> just installed xubu 12.04 on 512 MB VBox, it uses 150 MB
[09:52] <Scuzzball> At this point, I may be trying to go in the completely wrong direction.
[09:52] <Scuzzball> I'm trying to remove the installer boot menu.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> As nowhere seems to talk about it, I'm hoping installing grub will override it.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> But I can't install grub to a flash drive, as I keep doing stuff wrong.
[09:53] <Scuzzball> Is it the best plan to try to continue installing grub?
[09:56] <Asturio> Hi there. Anyone using xubuntu in a dual head configuration?
[10:28] <Da|Mummy> im having trouble enabling sound output through USB
[11:21] <mongy> good morning fellow xubuntians
[11:28] <Da|Mummy> im quickly falling in love with xubuntu. love the snappiness of xfce. im coming across some minor things that are bugging me though
[11:31] <mongy> ?
[11:33] <Da|Mummy> for one, i cant get audio output to usb
[11:36] <mongy> not something I've ever tried.  what sound server you using?  alsa or pulse
[11:38] <Da|Mummy> i guess xubuntu stock, which seems to be pulse now that i see, i guess i'll try alsa
[11:39] <mongy> could try installing pavcontrol and playing around with the config a bit..you might be able to see/select it there
[11:47] <Da|Mummy> great! that fixed it. i need my headphones going through amp :}
[11:57] <mongy> what fixed it
[12:06] <Da|Mummy> pavucontrol for some reason, just changing every app that has sound to output to USB Audio DAC. no idea why it doesnt work in stock sound settings using alsa though
[12:07] <Da|Mummy> the other issue is, my wifi seems rather crippled.
[12:07] <Da|Mummy> good, but not what im supposed to have, or what i had with ubuntu
[12:11] <mongy> what chipset
[12:12] <mongy> about the usb sound, maybe alsa was muted
[12:31] <jimbopea> hi, wondering if someone could help me sort my resolution out. stuck at 1024x768 but its 1280x800. thans
[12:36] <Da|Mummy> what have you tried so far?
[12:36] <mongy> xrandr -q
[12:37] <mongy> gives a list of resolutions.
[12:38] <mongy> save me some time.. someone I helped some time ago. http://askubuntu.com/questions/63863/unknown-monitor-intel-driver-want-to-set-vga-resolution-to-widescreen-tv
[12:41] <jimbopea> tried qrandr, looked for xorg.conf but cant seem to find it. will follow that lint now
[12:42] <jimbopea> just checked and its an sis771/671
[12:43] <mongy> not really important, just follow the xrandr commands and adjust to suit your own system
[12:46] <jimbopea> is grandr the same, because "Package xrandr is not available"
[12:47] <jimbopea> in grandr though shows highest of 1024x768
[12:48] <mongy> od.d just install it.  its a minimal shell utility
[12:49] <mongy> odd*
[12:50] <jimbopea> Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:50] <jimbopea> However the following packages replace it:
[12:50] <jimbopea>   x11-xserver-utils
[12:51] <mongy> yeah I just tried it.  a new thing in 11.10 it seems.  install it then
[12:51] <mongy> I can't vouch for any other randr util, only ever used xrandr and did the job
[12:51] <jimbopea> x11-xserver-utils is already installed, however nothing happens when i type the command in
[12:52] <mongy> it's installed on mine already.. works.
[12:52] <jimbopea> do i have to type x11-xserver-utils into command line? sorry for being a noob :-(
[12:53] <mongy> no, xrandr
[12:53] <mongy> sudo apt-get install --reinstall x11-xserver-utils
[12:53] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[12:53] <jimbopea> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[12:54] <jimbopea> default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[12:54] <jimbopea> 1024x768       61.0*
[12:54] <mongy> you'l have to add a new mode then if you want higher than 1024
[12:54] <jimbopea> 800x600        61.0
[12:54] <jimbopea> how do i do that?
[12:54] <mongy> as I said, follow http://askubuntu.com/a/64125/26198
[12:55] <mongy> cvt 1280 800      to begin with
[12:56] <jimbopea> get this error when i try to add mode
[12:56] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[12:56] <jimbopea> ok i did cvt 1280 800
[12:57] <jimbopea> gave me this
[12:57] <jimbopea> # 1280x800 59.81 Hz (CVT 1.02MA) hsync: 49.70 kHz; pclk: 83.50 MHz
[12:57] <jimbopea> Modeline "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[12:57] <Scuzzball> Okay, I have a network question. I don't have wireless drivers yet, so I'm running over an ethernet cable. I can't ping google.com. But I can ping it's IP. I manually set my DNS server to 8.8.8.8 (Google's DNS server for when comcast screws up), but it still doesn't work.
[12:59] <mongy> jimbopea: follow the guide.   --newmode
[12:59] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00"   83.50  1280 1352 1480 1680  800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync
[13:02] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --addmode default 1280x800_60.00
[13:03] <mongy> jimbopea: xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800_60.00
[13:03] <jimbopea> did that and got this error
[13:03] <jimbopea> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[13:03] <jimbopea> on the addmode--
[13:05] <jimbopea> newmode-- sorry
[13:05] <jimbopea> followed by this line X Error of failed request:  BadName (named color or font does not exist)
[13:06] <mongy> hmm.. stumped
[13:07] <jimbopea> could it be because of the driver? thanks btw
[13:09] <mongy> is that the only one listed, 'default'
[13:09] <mongy> when you xrandr -q
[13:10] <mayyin1> I want to sign out Ubuntu One. I can't find the logout button.
[13:12] <mongy> try arandr, its a gui, looks ok
[13:14] <jimbopea> brb
[13:15] <mongy> or install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi
[13:15] <mongy> if they are missing.....
[13:17] <mongy> Scuzzball: where did you set the dns
[13:18] <Scuzzball> In settings -> Network Connections -> wired -> edit -> IPV4 settings
[13:18] <Scuzzball> Chaned metod to "Automatic(DHCP) adresses only
[13:18] <Scuzzball> And added 8.8.8.8 to DNS servers.
[13:18] <Scuzzball> I didn't touch Search domains or DHCP client ID.
[13:19] <Scuzzball> Should I have?
[13:21] <mongy> not needed, normally.  what does the connection info say
[13:22] <Scuzzball> Says the DNS is 8.8.8.8
[13:22] <mongy> I just did the same thing and works
[13:22] <mongy> it did reconnect though, did yours?
[13:22] <Scuzzball> I forced it to, so yes.
[13:23] <mongy> cat /etc/resolv.conf says?
[13:23] <Scuzzball> ...
[13:23] <Scuzzball> Input/output error
[13:24] <mongy> huh
[13:24] <mongy> ll /etc/resolv.conf  what are the perms
[13:25] <Scuzzball> ...Question marks.
[13:25] <mongy> oh dear.   sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf
[13:25] <mongy> wonder what/how network-manager did that..
[13:25] <Scuzzball> Cant access it.
[13:26] <Scuzzball> I could try replacing it with an empty file in windows.
[13:26] <Scuzzball> I'm running from a flash drive, by the way.
[13:26] <mongy> live?
[13:26] <Scuzzball> Yah.
[13:27] <mongy> yeah, remove and remake it with nameserver 8.8.8.8
[13:27] <Scuzzball> Oh, resolv.conf.tmp has that.
[13:27] <Scuzzball> I'll just copy it over.
[13:28] <Scuzzball> Or not, doesn't work.
[13:28] <mongy> reboot and try again?  it's live mode
[13:29] <Scuzzball> Huh. 7-zip doesn't support deleting it.
[13:30] <Scuzzball> And the size is zero according to 7zip.
[13:30] <Scuzzball> Permissions are -r--r--r--
[13:30] <mongy> 7zip, what?
[13:30] <Scuzzball> File compression program in windows.
[13:30] <mongy> yeah, I know, but, Why?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Cause I wanted to look at the files?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> That are in filesystem.squashfs in the casper directory on the flashdrive?
[13:31] <mongy> you aint supposed to mess with that
[13:31] <Scuzzball> I know.
[13:31] <Scuzzball> So?
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Haven't changed anything there.
[13:31] <mongy> and now you have probs..
[13:31] <Scuzzball> Fair enough.
[13:31] <Scuzzball> I'll try a reinstall then.
[13:32] <mongy> maybe it's a bad iso you used to write to the usb
[13:32] <Scuzzball> Don't think so, got it from the official torrent.
[13:32] <mongy> or sometihng went wry when making the usb stick.
[13:34] <jimbopea> arandr throwing up errors aswell :-/
[13:38] <jimbopea> ok, if i go into display settings now 1280x800 is there, however when i choose it nothing changes
[13:40] <mongy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting_resolution_changes_in_xorg.conf  see if you can make sense of that
[13:44] <Scuzzball> Weee, hashes don't check out.
[13:45] <Scuzzball> Oh, wait I just suck at reading.
[13:46] <Scuzzball> Torrent protocol has a built in hash checking.
[13:46] <Scuzzball> Cool.
[13:49] <mongy> can you boot the iso in vmware/vbox and test it
[13:49] <mongy> see if the problem exists still
[14:16] <mongy> jimbopea: post your question on askubuntu, someone with more info might be able to help.
[14:17] <QuantoR> Hi, im on a intel 64bit CPU. Which xubuntu version should i download? the amd 64 or the i386?
[14:18] <mongy> amd64
[14:18] <QuantoR> ok, thc
[14:18] <QuantoR> thx*
[14:19] <QuantoR> why is it still named amd64?
[14:19] <jimbopea> didnt amd release the first 64bit instruction set
[14:19] <jimbopea> think its something to do with that
[14:20] <TheSheep> QuantoR: because Intel and AMD had different, incompatible 64bit architectures and in the end AMD's proved to be better and survived
[14:21] <TheSheep> QuantoR: today both intel and amd (and others) processors use that architecture
[14:21] <QuantoR> ah ok
[14:21] <QuantoR> thx!
[14:39] <Scuzzball> Works now.
[15:32] <Scuzzball> Okay, new batch of problems.
[15:33] <Scuzzball> While running sudo apt-get upgrade, I get "cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab
[15:33] <Scuzzball> And right before that, "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical decvice of overlayfs"
[15:33] <mongy> Scuzzball: igmore it.
[15:33] <mongy> ignore even
[15:33] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Even though it seems to have stopped?
[15:34] <mongy> do you have any encrypted partitions?
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Nope.
[15:34] <mongy> igmore it anyway..  I use it and had that once in 11.04, still worked.
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Should I kill it and restart the update?
[15:34] <mongy> ahhhh me and my typos
[15:34] <Scuzzball> Hah.
[15:35] <mongy> it's just a message when upgrading the package
[15:35] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[15:36] <mongy> you installed this then?
[15:38] <Scuzzball> No, I just ran upgrade.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> And it still hasn't done anything since.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Sense?
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Something.
[15:38] <Scuzzball> Sound the same.
[15:40] <mongy> upgrade on a live?
[15:49] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> It's on USB, and it has a persistant file of probably near seven GB.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> It's an 8GB flash drive.
[15:49] <Scuzzball> And the upgrade still hasn't moved.
[15:52] <mongy> ouch
[15:52] <Scuzzball> Think I'm going to kill it and restart it.
[15:52] <Scuzzball> At worst I reinstall again.
[15:52] <mongy> it will be very slow on a usb
[15:53] <Scuzzball> Oh, entire computer is frozen.
[15:53] <mongy> check iotop -o to see what its doing
[15:53] <mongy> oops
[15:53] <mongy> ctrl alt f1
[15:54] <mongy> see if it gives you a login to tty
[15:54] <Scuzzball> ...Huh.
[15:54] <Scuzzball> The battery was loose and fell out.
[15:54] <Scuzzball> I didn't know batteries could do that.
[15:54] <mongy> lol
[15:54] <Scuzzball> Well, restarting...
[15:56] <Scuzzball> sudo userdel -r username is the one that removes everything, right?
[15:56] <mongy> yup
[15:58] <Scuzzball> Okay, now it's asking me what my preferred terminal emulator is.
[15:58] <Scuzzball> The only option is other.
[15:58] <Ryllez89> !iphone
[15:59] <Ryllez89> !rockbox
[16:02] <Scuzzball> It said dpkg was interrupted, run 'dudo dpkg --configure -a' to fix it.
[16:02] <Scuzzball> Running that.
[16:02] <Scuzzball> How can I force a user to log out?
[16:03] <Scuzzball> It stuck me with an account called ubuntu, no password, and admin rights.
[16:03] <Scuzzball> And it won't let me delte it, claims it's logged in.
[16:04] <mongy> that's the live user
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Yeah.
[16:05] <Scuzzball> I managed to delete it last time, not sure how.
[16:05] <mongy> add another user and login and remove
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Well, the command "I have." doesn't exist.
[16:05] <Scuzzball> Oops.
[16:06] <Scuzzball> But yeah, it says it's logged in.
[16:07] <mongy> killall -u ubuntu
[16:08] <Scuzzball> Cannot find user ubuntu.
[16:08] <mongy> made another user?
[16:08] <Scuzzball> I have.
[16:08] <mongy> who -u
[16:08] <Scuzzball> I think it may have lied at me, I'll restart and see what's up.
[16:09] <Scuzzball> Says ubuntu is on.
[16:09] <mongy> know the id?
[16:09] <Scuzzball> But whoami returns me.
[16:09] <Scuzzball> The process ID?
[16:09] <mongy> ye
[16:09] <Scuzzball> Yeah, I can kill those.
[16:10] <Scuzzball> Still there.
[16:10] <Scuzzball> Even though I killed them.
[16:10] <mongy> killall -9 whatever
[16:11] <Scuzzball> Process doesn't exist.
[16:11] <Scuzzball> But who -u still claims it does.
[16:11] <Scuzzball> So I'm going to restart and see if the user is still ther.
[16:12] <mongy> try skill -KILL -u username
[16:14] <Scuzzball> Okay, restarting from a flash drive doesn't work or something.
[16:15] <mongy> a seriously hosed upgrade process aborted :)
[16:15] <Scuzzball> Probably.
[16:16] <Scuzzball> The user is gone!
[16:16] <Scuzzball> Great success.
[16:17] <Scuzzball> Hey, wifi even works
[16:17] <mongy> it's mostly 'just there' these days
[16:18] <Scuzzball> I'm on a dell inspiron 2200.
[16:18] <Scuzzball> Wireless drivers aren't supposed to work for that.
[16:18] <mongy> who says.. since when
[16:18] <Scuzzball> But I guess these random ones did.
[16:19] <Scuzzball> Everywhere said last time I tried.
[16:19] <Scuzzball> Which was like two weeks ago, with ubuntu.
[16:19] <mongy> what chipset
[16:20] <Scuzzball> Dunno. who's with dell?
[16:20] <mongy> mostly broadcom lately
[16:20] <Scuzzball> But the first google result for "dell inspiron 2200 linux wireless drivers" says "There is no native Linux driver for this card, but you can use NdisWrapper 1.2 included with SuSE 10.0 to use the Windows driver under Linux. "
[16:20] <Scuzzball> Sounds right.
[16:20] <mongy> broadcom is fine
[16:21] <Scuzzball> But whatever, found some random thread that didn't work for the guy, but worked for me.
[16:21] <mongy> mine is dell studio 1747 with broadcom
[16:21] <mongy> lspci | grep Network
[16:23] <Scuzzball> Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11 Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[16:25] <mongy> just the b43 driver then
[16:25] <mongy> I see no problem
[16:25] <Scuzzball> b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[16:25] <Scuzzball> That was what I got.
[16:25] <Scuzzball> But there are many threads of failure getting this specific model to work on wireless.
[16:25] <mongy> firmware-b43 is fine yeah
[16:25] <Scuzzball> Dunno why.
[16:25] <mongy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[16:26] <Scuzzball> I know Backtrack 5 R1 supported it by default.
[16:26] <Scuzzball> Whatever, it works.
[16:26] <Scuzzball> Onto finding a mouse.
[16:32] <mongy> awesome, zukitwo updated with an xfwm4 theme;
[16:37] <fennec> Hello
[16:38] <fennec> I've been having a small problem on 11.10
[16:38] <fennec> I want to change the internal UI of programs like the software center to the default greybird (I think) theme
[16:39] <fennec> I'm using clearlooks but some programs that use that theme dont look very good
[16:40] <fennec> Actually using industriial, sorry
[16:41] <fennec> ?
[16:47] <fennec> Anyone?
[16:49] <mongy> time to update my custom iso
[16:50] <mongy> fennec: if you want grey, try zukitwo
[16:50] <mongy> has just been updated to add an xfwm window theme.  pretty nice
[16:50] <fennec> Will it keep the fancy UI's in the software center etc then?
[16:51] <mongy> just looked and yes, it does
[16:51] <fennec> Because I kinda prefer the white in industrial
[16:51] <fennec> I'll check it out
[16:52] <mongy> http://imgur.com/tSQ0R
[16:53] <fennec> I don't really care for that dark theme
[16:53] <fennec> I've customized my current one a bit and want to keep it
[16:53] <Scuzzball> Trauma is free?
[16:53] <fennec> I'll post a pic
[16:54] <fennec> No i think its like $3
[16:54] <mongy> fennec: then just use the appearance part of zukitwo..
[16:54] <mongy> there is a non dark variant..
[16:54] <mongy> also..
[16:54] <fennec> Oh okay.'
[16:56] <mongy> greybird is quite a dark theme
[16:56] <mongy> dark menus anyway
[16:57] <fennec> But in the sofware center etc it has a brushed metal look
[16:57] <fennec> And in industrial it doesnt keep that
[16:57] <fennec> Pic's comingg
[16:57] <mongy> yeah just looked, looks ok to me?
[16:58] <mongy> oh industrial.  well thats a bit of a crap theme to me anyway
[17:01] <fennec> http://oi42.tinypic.com/34ozdab.jpg
[17:02] <fennec> You can see how the sofware center looks bland
[17:02] <fennec> But I like the rest
[17:03] <mongy> my eyes!
[17:03] <fennec> ?
[17:03] <mongy> too much white for my eyes
[17:03] <fennec> >.<
[17:04] <mongy> yeah I see what you mean..  it's like the effect you get when running gksu apps and your theme isnt in /usr/share/themes
[17:05] <fennec> Yeah
[17:05] <fennec> I'm looking through other themes right now
[17:05] <fennec> I tried adjusting the window themes, but they dont change it
[17:06] <fennec> I really dont want to attempt to modify the themes either
[17:06] <mongy> zukitwo (not zukito-dark) is alittle like your theme.  try it
[17:07] <mongy> can just use it as the appearance, and keep greybird as window theme..
[17:09] <fennec> I'll try zukitwo. Window themes change the panels which I quite like
[17:09] <fennec> dont change*
[17:09] <fennec> im mean full
[17:09] <fennec> >.<
[17:11] <fennec> Nevermind :p
[17:16] <fennec> I'm going to try Zuki and Simpleton
[17:17] <fennec> Sadly I'm on vacation and my wireless appears to be delivered by mail
[17:24] <fennec> Zuki makes my dock  look... strange
[17:27] <mongy> is usc looking not great really a problem. I mean, how many times you use it, how often you have to look at it.
[17:27] <fennec> It effects quite a few other programs to
[17:27] <fennec> Extrations, updates, others
[17:32] <mongy> are they all apps that used to need su perms in earlier versions?
[17:34] <fennec> I dont know. I just switched to xubuntu a week ago
[17:34] <fennec> I don't think so
[17:36] <Scuzzball> Tewnty five minuets till new steam sales!
[17:36] <lordjj> Happy New Year's Xubuntu people
[17:36] <Scuzzball> Happy new years!
[17:37] <fennec> I'm going to be going through the Tijuana border at midnight tonight!
[17:37] <fennec> :D
[17:37] <fennec> I'm serious >.<
[17:37] <Scuzzball> Cool.
[17:37] <fennec> Trying to get home before the rain of bullets
[17:38] <Scuzzball> Fun times.
[17:41] <fennec> Now I'm just looking for a theme that has nice panels and keep the fancy ui's
[17:41] <fennec> Do you know of any others besides Zuki?
[17:43] <mongy> there is a modification of it, zukitwo-brave
[17:43] <mongy> how much it's modified I dont know
[17:43] <fennec> I have a fly on my head
[17:43] <lordjj> Could one of those military funded projects
[17:44] <lordjj> Reconnaissance flies...
[17:44] <fennec> Maybe its running linux!
[17:44] <fennec> >plugs in fly to usb port
[17:44] <Scuzzball> How does USB work, actually?
[17:44] <lordjj> lsof
[17:45] <fennec> Usb is magic
[17:45] <Scuzzball> Yeah, this is what I've seen.
[17:45] <fennec> Invented by wizards millions of years ago
[17:45] <Scuzzball> I kinda understand how the PS/2 ports work for keyboards.
[17:45] <Scuzzball> Kinda.
[17:46] <Scuzzball> Well, I kinda understand how it gets the data values it magically sends on them.
[17:46] <lordjj> http://www.howstuffworks.com/usb.htm ?
[17:47] <lordjj> Yep, not creepy at all... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCLBG9KeX4
[17:47] <mongy> fennec: evolve looks a nice white theme
[17:48] <Scuzzball> Lordjj, tha is amazing.
[17:50] <fennec> In the future, children will mind control flies to have dogfights
[17:51] <fennec> This is fact
[17:51] <Scuzzball> This is a wonderous future.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Also, terrifying.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> But whatever.
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Dystopia is a cool place.
[17:51] <fennec> I live there
[17:51] <Scuzzball> Well, interesting, at least.
[17:52] <Scuzzball> Really?
[17:52] <fennec> Yes. You are still in the past
[17:52] <Scuzzball> Ah.
[17:52] <Scuzzball> Terrible.
[17:53] <Scuzzball> Wait, weren't you on the west coast?
[17:53] <fennec> West coast of dystopia 8D
[17:53] <Scuzzball> I'm ahead of you by three hours!
[17:53] <fennec> Thats what they want you to think
[17:54] <Scuzzball> Ah.
[17:54] <Scuzzball> A capitalist scheme?
[17:57] <fennec> No
[17:57] <fennec> Aliens
[17:57] <fennec> Dum-dum duuuuuuum
[17:57] <lordjj> You know what, this is creepier... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HedXMbvabbk
[17:57] <Scuzzball> Capitalist aliens.
[17:57] <lordjj> A robot controls a human...
[17:58] <fennec> You free software soviet
[18:00] <fennec> In soviet russia, software takes apart you!
[18:01] <Scuzzball> That robot controlling human arm thing.
[18:01] <Scuzzball> That should be possible for me to do, if I cared enough.
[18:01] <Scuzzball> Not the programming bit.
[18:01] <fennec> I'm going to make my dog radio controlled
[18:01] <Scuzzball> The make your arm twich in a controlled method bit.
[18:04] <fennec> Strange conversation is strange
[18:05] <Scuzzball> Bah.
[18:05] <Scuzzball> It's just a strategic taser.
[18:06] <fennec> Oh, that makes it seem so much more normal
[18:06] <fennec> >.<
[18:06] <Scuzzball> Seriously! That's all it is!
[18:06] <Scuzzball> Tasers aren't hard to do, just a few capacitors.
[18:07] <fennec> :p
[18:16] <fennec> Anyone here use MythTV?
[18:16] <mongy> yup
[18:17] <fennec> I've been trying to convince my dad to let me set up an old laptop with it
[18:17] <fennec> Can you keep your normal tv going through it?
[18:19] <holstein> split the cable signal.. the TV will remain as is... the trick will be getting the computer onto the TV and getting the cable into the computer
[18:19] <mongy> not done that much with it, just plugged usb tuner in, run mythtv and watch tv
[18:19] <fennec> Ah
[18:19] <fennec> Does it have many of the same channels?
[18:19] <fennec> And does it cost money?
[18:19] <fennec> :p
[18:20] <mongy> ?
[18:20] <fennec> Many of the channels that we get on cable
[18:20] <fennec> I'm just not sure where it gets the actual feed from
[18:20] <mongy> mine is a regular fta tuner..I watch regular uk 'freeview'
[18:20] <fennec> Ah okay
[18:21] <holstein> fennec: check out some docs.. myth can capture TV
[18:21] <holstein> it'll capture (like a DVR) your current situation
[18:21] <mongy> you setup your tuner to do the work, or whatever capture card
[18:21] <fennec> Can you change it to get other worldwide TV
[18:21] <holstein> you pay for what you are paying for
[18:21] <fennec> Getting rallying in the US is very difficult >.<
[18:21] <holstein> fennec: you can have it capture whatever you have the ability to capture
[18:22] <fennec> Okay.
[18:22] <fennec> So can I set  it up to only use the internet?
[18:22] <holstein> it will not make you more or less likely to 'hack' any extra content
[18:22] <mongy> try #mythtv
[18:23] <holstein> fennec: its open, you can literally set it up as you please.. but the point of it is to capture, and to share the content with other computers on the network... or to watch your home TV away from home
[18:23] <fennec> Ah
[18:23] <fennec> I'm just looking for some kind of linux internet tv/dvr
[18:23] <holstein> through that set up there are other side-effects... and there are lots of extras that allow watching/streaming other content from box to box, or to your TV... or whatever
[18:23] <mongy> miro?
[18:24] <fennec> I'll check it out
[18:24] <holstein> fennec: you would get a capture card like mongy mentioned, and configure it
[18:25] <fennec> Well miro isn't quite a replacement for a dvr
[18:26] <fennec> Basically we want to switch from cox to internet tv but still have it work like a dvr with a remote etc
[18:26] <holstein> fennec: just fire up a web browser, and search around for content
[18:27] <holstein> thats what its like to have internet TV, at least for now... there are services like hulu plus
[18:27] <fennec> So I suppose its either going to be similar to a computer or just specialized for portable media?
[18:27] <holstein> we have no cable... i use netflix mostly to a roku box... and i use hulu (the free one) and crackle
[18:28] <holstein> fennec: ?.. if you want to access internet content, it'll need to be something with a browser
[18:29] <holstein> i personally find appliances to be limiting... so i like to just have a computer near the TV hooked up to it... but that is also a bit or a drag
[18:29] <fennec> well I think I'll try out mythtv at some point and do something similar to this http://www.winstanleys.org/tech/mythtv/
[18:29] <holstein> there are boxee boxes, roku's.. other netflix players... its an interesting time we live in :)
[18:30] <holstein> fennec: you either get freeview, or you dont
[18:30] <holstein> here, i would, but i just dont bother with it
[18:32] <fennec> Freeview isnt quite easily availible in the us
[18:32] <holstein> yeah?... its free... you get the hardware and it comes in, or you are too far away
[18:33] <fennec> I'm way to far off from the satellite beam
[18:33] <fennec> Apparently there isnt freeview in dystopia :(
[18:33] <holstein> well, if you can get in town, and check it out, im sure you'll find like i did, that its not worth the hassle... setting up a compatible capture card and all that...
[18:34] <fennec> Okay, thanks
[18:35] <holstein> if you stream all your content as i do, you need no capture cards, nor big hard drives... just internet, and a web browser
[18:35] <holstein> fennec: whatever device you are typing on right now is capable of this.. otherwise, you'll need to get your wallet out
[19:06] <thor_> Hey how do i change from thunar to pcmanfm. I have uninstall thunar and install pcmanfm, but i cant get map on the desktop ??
[19:08] <thor_> I just have a emty desktop ??
[19:16] <mongy> thor_: can you right click and selec settings
[19:21] <thor_> mongy how do i do that
[19:21] <mongy> what do yo mean, empty.
[19:22] <mongy> can you still right click the desktop and view menu
[19:23] <thor_> mongy i mean that i have no desktop. i cant right click on the desktop
[19:23] <mongy> alt F2?
[19:23] <thor_> mongy dosent work
[19:23] <thor_> dos not
[19:23] <mongy> ctrl alt F1
[19:24] <mongy> login, install thunar again,
[19:24] <mongy> switch back to desktop with ctrl alt F7
[19:26] <mongy> think he switched before I got to tell him how to get back :(
[20:20] <|Slacker|> xubuntu runs very well on my old lappy
[20:24] <mongy> cool
[20:24] <pleia2> |Slacker|: glad to hear it :)
[20:26] <|Slacker|> yes
[20:26] <|Slacker|> I'm happy
[20:27] <|Slacker|> had to do that cuz my netbook power cable ain't working
[20:28] <mongy> just need the power bug fixing overall.. I booted a custom usb stick on someones lappy at work to show them, and ran frozen bubble, browser, navigated a few things, then left it for a few mins.. it demolished her battery
[20:30] <TheSheep> demolished?
[20:30] <mongy> wasted
[20:30] <mongy> went from full to flat in no time
[20:31] <TheSheep> well, that's normal with cpu-intensive things like games and javascript and flash on web pages
[20:31] <mongy> used it for about 10 mins, then left it for another 10 maybe...
[20:32] <mongy> I had a few laptops I linux 3.0 kernel on ,whatever distro, they all suffered the same
[20:33] <TheSheep> ah, because the 3.x kernels don't turn powersaving on components that BIOS doesn't report as powersaving-capable, and a lot of BIOSes are buggy and don't report that
[20:34] <mongy> either way,  fix please kkthxbai
[20:34] <TheSheep> mongy: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2638_aspm&num=1
[20:35] <TheSheep> mongy: there is a boot option you can enable to work around that
[20:36] <mongy> I read about that, but read a few people say it made no difference
[20:36] <mongy> I could try it next time I guess.
[21:04] <Ryllez89> guys, what i do for my iphone 4 work in xubuntu?
[21:07] <fennec> Hello again
[21:11] <mongy> another reason I won't buy an idevice
[21:12] <multipass> tack one on to the list
[21:12] <multipass> libiphone
[21:12] <multipass> is what you need i think
[21:13] <multipass> but still, its probably not goign to do what you want it to
[21:13] <multipass> i had one for a few months
[21:14] <multipass> luckily i switched to android
[21:14] <mongy> nexus is next on my list
[21:14] <multipass> i have a thunderbolt atm
[21:14] <mongy> can't quite justify the full galaxy
[21:15] <multipass> im verizon so im limited
[21:15] <multipass> but droid razr seems awesome
[21:25] <multipass> hows xubuntu 11.10 as far as stability. i was thinking of switching from ubuntu 10.04
[21:25] <multipass> i just use it for web development mainly
[21:25] <multipass> i dislike unity
[21:26] <fennec> Its great
[21:26] <fennec> I love it
[21:26] <fennec> I switched from unity to
[21:27] <fennec> You can keep getting updates unlick 10.04 on Classic mode and have a great XFCE desktop
[21:27] <fennec> unlike*
[21:28] <multipass> yeah xfce looks very nice
[21:28] <multipass> no crashes etc?
[21:29] <fennec> Nope pretty much as stable as ubuntu
[21:29] <fennec> Mine froze once but thats all
[21:30] <fennec> Its kind of like Gnome 2.x but faster
[21:31] <fennec> There isn't quite the orginization of it but its still very easy to get used to
[21:31] <ashley_> I am new to xubuntu and I want to connect my laptop running xubuntu to my tv using hdmi.. how can i do this regards
[21:34] <fennec> 1. Plug in HDMI to computer
[21:34] <mongy> plug it in?
[21:34] <fennec> 2. Plug into TV
[21:34] <fennec> 3. ?????
[21:34] <fennec> 4.  PROFIT
[21:35] <multipass> ^
[21:35] <insin> free says I'm using 1.5GB of RAM, XFCE System Load Monitor and Task Manager say 400MB and never seem to go above 500MB - are they known to be inaccurate?
[21:35] <mongy> my xubuntu completely logged me out for no reason while I was running a couple of vm's , watching some tv and some other stuff once, not since though.  still don't know what it was
[21:35] <mongy> insin: free -m
[21:36] <mongy> insin: I have 8gb ram and Im using it all :)  but in reality only using 1.5gig
[21:36] <fennec> ashley_: your going to need to be more specific
[21:37] <mongy> insin: -/+ buffers/cache: is the line you need if you want a real ram usage
[21:37] <insin> ah!
[21:37] <mongy> ram is there to be used..  windows sadly does not see this.
[21:37] <mongy> likes to use swap anwyay
[21:38] <mongy> as an aside, I have my vm.swappiness=0
[21:38] <insin> does that not make those monitors a bit useless? They *never* go over 500 MB for me so it looks like I'm never making use of  my RAM, but swapping like hell - I have my swappiness at 0 too as a result
[21:41] <mongy> insin: they report ram usage by apps
[21:42] <mongy> insin: free reports ram and buffers
[21:42] <mongy> buffers are ram used but instantly available if an app needs
[21:43] <mongy> insin: insin your swappiness will most likely be 60
[21:43] <mongy> how much ram you have?
[21:43] <insin> I set it to 0 when it looked like I was swapping all the time
[21:44] <insin> 2GB
[21:44] <mongy> cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
[21:45] <mongy> is all 2gb detected?
[21:45] <mongy> it should use most of your ram before swap...
[21:46] <mongy> a tip, use the zramswap-enabler tool, it speeds the usage of swap considerably.
[21:49] <insin> loooks like it , but 1045 is cached according to free - I was using the system load monitor to try to detect when I needed to kill Firefox off to avoid swapping while working, but its mem bar just never fills up - I only recently started with desktop linux, so clearly need to get used to the fact that it reports mem usage differently than windows :)
[21:49] <insin> ta
[21:51] <mongy> cache isnt looked up as ram used as its all temp stuff that is still available for an app to use
[21:52] <mongy> so most these system monitors are telling the truth mostly, since they report ram usage
[22:25] <mongy> tired of my SE phone rebooting when playing certain mp3's
[22:26] <mongy> It's had like 4 or 5 firmware updates already. gah. Nexus is a calling
[22:30] <fennec> Theres this car alarm going off right now
[22:30] <fennec> It was on ast night to
[22:30] <fennec> Welcome to mexico 8D
[22:31] <fennec> Does anyone actually use #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[22:53] <paulBird> i dont have the 'deb' command! where can i get it ha?
[22:55] <mongy> ?
[22:56] <paulBird> when i type 'deb' on cmd line
[22:56] <paulBird> it complains that i dont have the command..
[22:59] <paulBird> please help :\
[22:59] <mongy> correct, you don't
[23:00] <paulBird> well i know that.
[23:00] <mongy> what are you trying to do ?
[23:00] <paulBird> trying to use the deb cmd
[23:00] <mongy> there isn't one
[23:00] <mongy> do you mean dpkg ?
[23:00] <mongy> to install a deb?
[23:00] <kj4> happy new year xubus
[23:00] <paulBird> nvm, fixed
[23:00] <kj4> wooohoooooo
[23:01] <paulBird> happy new year everyone
[23:01] <paulBird> :) bye
[23:05] <w30> well.... deb sounds better than dpkg. dpkg sounds Italian or Brooklyn-ese, hehheh
[23:05] <mongy> a nice alias would come in handy I guess for such
[23:06] <mongy> or he could have just clicked on it
[23:06] <w30> install de package on de computer
[23:07] <thy-> bonne année tout le monde, tout ca tout ca, meilleurs voeux machin tout ca, bonne santé et toutes les salutations d'usage /amg
[23:18] <w30> thanks, thy-
[23:19] <thy-> :-)
[23:20] <w30> vous aussi