[01:09] <|Slacker|> does xubuntun go well on a 512mb ram system? [01:13] it wont fly but yes [01:13] |Slacker|, if you care a lot about performance more than other things try lubuntu, or even tinycore if you just want to internets, but thats just me [01:22] <|Slacker|> I have an old lappy...just want something a bit faster than ubuntu 11.10, it's too sluggish here... [01:22] I'd give it a try and see what you think, everyone has a different tolerance for "slow" :) [01:25] <|Slacker|> alright [01:25] <|Slacker|> I'lll give it a try [01:25] <|Slacker|> thanks people [01:37] gnight [01:51] lubuntu is not serious. [01:52] this isn't really the place to make disparaging comments about other flavors [01:56] how to add item in aplication menu in xfce ? [01:56] aguitel: what version of xubuntu? [01:57] pleia2, i am in fedora 16 [01:57] I don't know what version of xfce that uses, pre 4.8 you needed to manually edit, 4.8 and onward you can use the alacart package to edit the menu [01:58] (not sure what the alacart package is called in fedora either) [01:59] pleia2, same name [01:59] need to install alacarte in xfce ? [01:59] you can use alacarte to edit the xfce menu in 4.8, yes [02:00] pleia2, i think alacarte is from gnome only [02:00] pleia2, ok [02:00] i have no ~/.themes folder , any help haha? [02:01] aguitel: xfce shares a lot with gnome, they both use gtk and the menu editor is the same [02:01] pleia2, ok [02:01] paulBird: I don't either, what problem are you trying to solve? [02:02] hah! and i want to install a XFCE theme [02:02] paulBird: you can just mkdir .themes [02:02] are you sure???! [02:03] but will the OS know that thats where to look for default themes??... [02:03] (I haven't ever installed a custom theme, but if you need a themes directory called .themes/ that's what you should do to create it) [02:03] it should [02:03] its worth a shot.. one min.. [02:07] i found [02:07] the correct dir for themes :) [02:08] /usr/share/themes, pleia2 [02:09] :) [02:09] .themes/ is for a single user, /usr/share/themes will make them available to all users on the system [02:10] well thats fine (for me, i have only 1 user) [02:17] pleia2, i installed alacarte ,where is it? how launch it ? [02:19] aguitel: I've never used it :) but you should be able to at least launch it from a terminal, or with the alt+f2 prompt [02:20] adding my theme to /usr/share/themes didn't work [02:20] pleia2, say this :ImportError: No module named gmenu [02:20] it didnt show up in settings>appearance :( [02:21] paulBird: settings > Window Manager [02:21] it should show up under "themes" [02:21] appearance is something different [02:21] pleia2: Thank you ha! [02:22] aguitel: I'm really not familar enough with fedora, I'm sorry :( [02:22] how do i get a transparent terminal window? i see that a lot.. [02:22] pleia2, no problem [02:23] paulBird: you can either use a terminal that has transparency built in, or go to "window manager tweaks" and enable compositing and edit transparency for everything there [02:24] I use rxvt-unicode and launch with: rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white +sb -tr -sh 10 [02:24] that makes it transparent with shading of "10" [02:25] thank you [02:30] what is rxvt? some window manager? [02:31] i just don't want it to slow me down [02:31] it's a light weight terminal [02:31] cool [02:44] hello all [02:45] hehe. i thot the channel was silent for days turns out i had paged up [02:46] * w30 never has done that............. [02:46] only a few hours [02:47] ha [02:49] yeah, i meant minutes [02:49] oh wait, 1 minute [02:49] how silly of you to have done that for hours [03:24] anyone ever have an error when opening up your home folder "The Folder Could not be opened: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [03:25] it only does it once till I log off and back on again [03:28] doh === Chr|s_ is now known as Chr|s === Pieman is now known as Paimun [07:22] I've tried googling this, but I can tell I'm wording it funny. I'm booting Xubuntu off a flash drive, and whenever I boot, there is that screen with options to boot off the flash drive, test the memory, boot off the primary hard drive, and some other stuff. Is it possible to remove that screen, or at least change the default time on it? [07:22] Scuzzball: sure... but not easily... and not from the live USB [07:22] Okay. Thanks. [07:23] i think the easiest way would be to get an alternate CD, and install to the USB stick, putting grub there [07:23] then, you'd just have the same GRUB options as you have with a normal installation [07:23] you might find some 3rd party USB booting options too... multiboot? [07:24] http://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/ [07:24] ^^ im not sure if this has those options or not... might be a waste of time [07:24] otherwise, we are talking about editing the live CD its self... totally doable... not trivial [07:24] That actually might be helpful for completely different reasons. [07:25] How would you edit the livecd? [07:25] Scuzzball: well, i wouldnt ;) [07:25] Not the way you do it, but what you would do to it. [07:25] Okay. [07:26] but i would start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [07:26] the ways i have personally tried to build live CD's dont have those options [07:28] Okay, that is cool. [07:28] And makes lots of sense. [07:30] Scuzzball: im heading out... try #ubuntu-beginners if no one is around in here... o/ [07:30] Okay, thank you very much. [07:30] Scuzzball: not that you are a beginner.. just a nice, helpful, slower channel [07:30] Makes sens. [07:31] And it turns out that the boot menu is just some form of grub. [07:31] So I think I can set the timeout to 0. === jubo2 is now known as kunsole === kunsole is now known as jubo2 [09:17] Hi there, I'm trying to minimize memory consumption on my system.. i'm quite surprised that with Xubuntu I always get most of my RAM used (it's 512 MB) even with some services, modules disabled.. eventually it starts to swap and system becomes really slow. Would compiling a custom kernel help here in someway ? [09:17] pkug: I don't think so [09:17] pkug: but you can try [09:18] how much is most ram comparing it to the rest? [09:18] pkug@acer:~$ free [09:18] total used free shared buffers cached [09:18] Mem: 433168 423912 9256 0 74232 193464 [09:19] I'm really not sure what's eating it, couldn't find anything suspicious in the process list (top/ps). [09:20] ant i disabled some services and modules i don't need (like reiserfs which eats quite a bit..). [09:21] pkug: try xrestop [09:23] 512 MB will be fine for ubuntu server + openbox, but for xfce you'll need more to run it properly. [09:27] that's weird.. was using Gentoo with xfce with even less memory, also other UNIX-like systems. Totally looks like kernel problem, I guess I should compile it without the stuff I need (turn off 1-2GB memory support etc.) [09:28] ubuntu server runs on less than 50 megs [09:28] on 28 megs to be correct [09:30] once the apps like web browsers start allocating video buffers in xorg, it starts to need a lot of ram [09:31] then just use lynx and you'll be sustainable :D [09:33] i already use midori. [09:34] pkug: use xrestop and see how many x resources that takes [09:34] do you guys know if it's possible to run generic upstream kernel (from kernel.org) with config from scratch without many hassles ? [09:34] why midori? lynx uses times less resources. [09:35] pkug: then you will probably make your own distro. [09:36] !kernel [09:36] The core of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, and if you need to troubleshoot issues, you can try a !Mainline kernel instead, but if you insist, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (see also !Stages) [09:36] !mainline [09:36] The kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds [09:36] not really, it's just kernel.. I want to use Xubuntu userland since i like it a lot. [09:36] here you go [09:40] just installed xubu 12.04 on 512 MB VBox, it uses 150 MB [09:52] At this point, I may be trying to go in the completely wrong direction. [09:52] I'm trying to remove the installer boot menu. [09:53] As nowhere seems to talk about it, I'm hoping installing grub will override it. [09:53] But I can't install grub to a flash drive, as I keep doing stuff wrong. [09:53] Is it the best plan to try to continue installing grub? [09:56] Hi there. Anyone using xubuntu in a dual head configuration? === EyesIsAsleep is now known as EyesIsServer [10:28] im having trouble enabling sound output through USB [11:21] good morning fellow xubuntians [11:28] im quickly falling in love with xubuntu. love the snappiness of xfce. im coming across some minor things that are bugging me though [11:31] ? [11:33] for one, i cant get audio output to usb [11:36] not something I've ever tried. what sound server you using? alsa or pulse [11:38] i guess xubuntu stock, which seems to be pulse now that i see, i guess i'll try alsa [11:39] could try installing pavcontrol and playing around with the config a bit..you might be able to see/select it there [11:47] great! that fixed it. i need my headphones going through amp :} [11:57] what fixed it [12:06] pavucontrol for some reason, just changing every app that has sound to output to USB Audio DAC. no idea why it doesnt work in stock sound settings using alsa though [12:07] the other issue is, my wifi seems rather crippled. [12:07] good, but not what im supposed to have, or what i had with ubuntu [12:11] what chipset [12:12] about the usb sound, maybe alsa was muted [12:31] hi, wondering if someone could help me sort my resolution out. stuck at 1024x768 but its 1280x800. thans [12:36] what have you tried so far? [12:36] xrandr -q [12:37] gives a list of resolutions. [12:38] save me some time.. someone I helped some time ago. http://askubuntu.com/questions/63863/unknown-monitor-intel-driver-want-to-set-vga-resolution-to-widescreen-tv [12:41] tried qrandr, looked for xorg.conf but cant seem to find it. will follow that lint now [12:42] just checked and its an sis771/671 [12:43] not really important, just follow the xrandr commands and adjust to suit your own system [12:46] is grandr the same, because "Package xrandr is not available" [12:47] in grandr though shows highest of 1024x768 [12:48] od.d just install it. its a minimal shell utility [12:49] odd* [12:50] Package xrandr is not available, but is referred to by another package. [12:50] However the following packages replace it: [12:50] x11-xserver-utils [12:51] yeah I just tried it. a new thing in 11.10 it seems. install it then [12:51] I can't vouch for any other randr util, only ever used xrandr and did the job [12:51] x11-xserver-utils is already installed, however nothing happens when i type the command in [12:52] it's installed on mine already.. works. [12:52] do i have to type x11-xserver-utils into command line? sorry for being a noob :-( [12:53] no, xrandr [12:53] sudo apt-get install --reinstall x11-xserver-utils [12:53] xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default [12:53] Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768 [12:54] default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm [12:54] 1024x768 61.0* [12:54] you'l have to add a new mode then if you want higher than 1024 [12:54] 800x600 61.0 [12:54] how do i do that? [12:54] as I said, follow http://askubuntu.com/a/64125/26198 [12:55] cvt 1280 800 to begin with [12:56] get this error when i try to add mode [12:56] xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default [12:56] ok i did cvt 1280 800 [12:57] gave me this [12:57] # 1280x800 59.81 Hz (CVT 1.02MA) hsync: 49.70 kHz; pclk: 83.50 MHz [12:57] Modeline "1280x800_60.00" 83.50 1280 1352 1480 1680 800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync [12:57] Okay, I have a network question. I don't have wireless drivers yet, so I'm running over an ethernet cable. I can't ping google.com. But I can ping it's IP. I manually set my DNS server to 8.8.8.8 (Google's DNS server for when comcast screws up), but it still doesn't work. [12:59] jimbopea: follow the guide. --newmode [12:59] jimbopea: xrandr --newmode "1280x800_60.00" 83.50 1280 1352 1480 1680 800 803 809 831 -hsync +vsync [13:02] jimbopea: xrandr --addmode default 1280x800_60.00 [13:03] jimbopea: xrandr --output default --mode 1280x800_60.00 [13:03] did that and got this error [13:03] xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default [13:03] on the addmode-- [13:05] newmode-- sorry [13:05] followed by this line X Error of failed request: BadName (named color or font does not exist) [13:06] hmm.. stumped [13:07] could it be because of the driver? thanks btw [13:09] is that the only one listed, 'default' [13:09] when you xrandr -q [13:10] I want to sign out Ubuntu One. I can't find the logout button. [13:12] try arandr, its a gui, looks ok [13:14] brb [13:15] or install xfonts-100dpi and xfonts-75dpi [13:15] if they are missing..... [13:17] Scuzzball: where did you set the dns [13:18] In settings -> Network Connections -> wired -> edit -> IPV4 settings [13:18] Chaned metod to "Automatic(DHCP) adresses only [13:18] And added 8.8.8.8 to DNS servers. [13:18] I didn't touch Search domains or DHCP client ID. [13:19] Should I have? [13:21] not needed, normally. what does the connection info say [13:22] Says the DNS is 8.8.8.8 [13:22] I just did the same thing and works [13:22] it did reconnect though, did yours? [13:22] I forced it to, so yes. [13:23] cat /etc/resolv.conf says? [13:23] ... [13:23] Input/output error [13:24] huh [13:24] ll /etc/resolv.conf what are the perms [13:25] ...Question marks. [13:25] oh dear. sudo chmod 644 /etc/resolv.conf [13:25] wonder what/how network-manager did that.. [13:25] Cant access it. [13:26] I could try replacing it with an empty file in windows. [13:26] I'm running from a flash drive, by the way. [13:26] live? [13:26] Yah. [13:27] yeah, remove and remake it with nameserver 8.8.8.8 [13:27] Oh, resolv.conf.tmp has that. [13:27] I'll just copy it over. [13:28] Or not, doesn't work. [13:28] reboot and try again? it's live mode [13:29] Huh. 7-zip doesn't support deleting it. [13:30] And the size is zero according to 7zip. [13:30] Permissions are -r--r--r-- [13:30] 7zip, what? [13:30] File compression program in windows. [13:30] yeah, I know, but, Why? [13:31] Cause I wanted to look at the files? [13:31] That are in filesystem.squashfs in the casper directory on the flashdrive? [13:31] you aint supposed to mess with that [13:31] I know. [13:31] So? [13:31] Haven't changed anything there. [13:31] and now you have probs.. [13:31] Fair enough. [13:31] I'll try a reinstall then. [13:32] maybe it's a bad iso you used to write to the usb [13:32] Don't think so, got it from the official torrent. [13:32] or sometihng went wry when making the usb stick. [13:34] arandr throwing up errors aswell :-/ [13:38] ok, if i go into display settings now 1280x800 is there, however when i choose it nothing changes [13:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting_resolution_changes_in_xorg.conf see if you can make sense of that [13:44] Weee, hashes don't check out. [13:45] Oh, wait I just suck at reading. [13:46] Torrent protocol has a built in hash checking. [13:46] Cool. [13:49] can you boot the iso in vmware/vbox and test it [13:49] see if the problem exists still [14:16] jimbopea: post your question on askubuntu, someone with more info might be able to help. [14:17] Hi, im on a intel 64bit CPU. Which xubuntu version should i download? the amd 64 or the i386? [14:18] amd64 [14:18] ok, thc [14:18] thx* [14:19] why is it still named amd64? [14:19] didnt amd release the first 64bit instruction set [14:19] think its something to do with that [14:20] QuantoR: because Intel and AMD had different, incompatible 64bit architectures and in the end AMD's proved to be better and survived [14:21] QuantoR: today both intel and amd (and others) processors use that architecture [14:21] ah ok [14:21] thx! [14:39] Works now. [15:32] Okay, new batch of problems. === Hirnblaeo is now known as Hirnblaehung [15:33] While running sudo apt-get upgrade, I get "cryptsetup: WARNING: could not determine root device from /etc/fstab [15:33] And right before that, "cryptsetup: WARNING: failed to detect canonical decvice of overlayfs" [15:33] Scuzzball: igmore it. [15:33] ignore even [15:33] Okay. [15:34] Even though it seems to have stopped? [15:34] do you have any encrypted partitions? [15:34] Nope. [15:34] igmore it anyway.. I use it and had that once in 11.04, still worked. [15:34] Should I kill it and restart the update? [15:34] ahhhh me and my typos [15:34] Hah. [15:35] it's just a message when upgrading the package [15:35] Okay. [15:36] you installed this then? [15:38] No, I just ran upgrade. [15:38] And it still hasn't done anything since. [15:38] Sense? [15:38] Something. [15:38] Sound the same. [15:40] upgrade on a live? [15:49] Yeah. [15:49] It's on USB, and it has a persistant file of probably near seven GB. [15:49] It's an 8GB flash drive. [15:49] And the upgrade still hasn't moved. [15:52] ouch [15:52] Think I'm going to kill it and restart it. [15:52] At worst I reinstall again. [15:52] it will be very slow on a usb [15:53] Oh, entire computer is frozen. [15:53] check iotop -o to see what its doing [15:53] oops [15:53] ctrl alt f1 [15:54] see if it gives you a login to tty [15:54] ...Huh. [15:54] The battery was loose and fell out. [15:54] I didn't know batteries could do that. [15:54] lol [15:54] Well, restarting... [15:56] sudo userdel -r username is the one that removes everything, right? [15:56] yup [15:58] Okay, now it's asking me what my preferred terminal emulator is. [15:58] The only option is other. [15:58] !iphone [15:58] For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto - For the iPhone and the iPod Touch, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPhone - See !RockBox for information on liberating your iPod [15:59] !rockbox [15:59] rockbox is an open source firmware replacement for audio players from Archos, iRiver, Apple (iPod), and iAudio. See http://www.rockbox.org/ to get started! [16:02] It said dpkg was interrupted, run 'dudo dpkg --configure -a' to fix it. [16:02] Running that. [16:02] How can I force a user to log out? [16:03] It stuck me with an account called ubuntu, no password, and admin rights. [16:03] And it won't let me delte it, claims it's logged in. [16:04] that's the live user [16:05] Yeah. [16:05] I managed to delete it last time, not sure how. [16:05] add another user and login and remove [16:05] Well, the command "I have." doesn't exist. [16:05] Oops. [16:06] But yeah, it says it's logged in. [16:07] killall -u ubuntu [16:08] Cannot find user ubuntu. [16:08] made another user? [16:08] I have. [16:08] who -u [16:08] I think it may have lied at me, I'll restart and see what's up. [16:09] Says ubuntu is on. [16:09] know the id? [16:09] But whoami returns me. [16:09] The process ID? [16:09] ye [16:09] Yeah, I can kill those. [16:10] Still there. [16:10] Even though I killed them. [16:10] killall -9 whatever [16:11] Process doesn't exist. [16:11] But who -u still claims it does. [16:11] So I'm going to restart and see if the user is still ther. [16:12] try skill -KILL -u username [16:14] Okay, restarting from a flash drive doesn't work or something. [16:15] a seriously hosed upgrade process aborted :) [16:15] Probably. [16:16] The user is gone! [16:16] Great success. [16:17] Hey, wifi even works [16:17] it's mostly 'just there' these days [16:18] I'm on a dell inspiron 2200. [16:18] Wireless drivers aren't supposed to work for that. [16:18] who says.. since when [16:18] But I guess these random ones did. [16:19] Everywhere said last time I tried. [16:19] Which was like two weeks ago, with ubuntu. [16:19] what chipset [16:20] Dunno. who's with dell? [16:20] mostly broadcom lately [16:20] But the first google result for "dell inspiron 2200 linux wireless drivers" says "There is no native Linux driver for this card, but you can use NdisWrapper 1.2 included with SuSE 10.0 to use the Windows driver under Linux. " [16:20] Sounds right. [16:20] broadcom is fine [16:21] But whatever, found some random thread that didn't work for the guy, but worked for me. [16:21] mine is dell studio 1747 with broadcom [16:21] lspci | grep Network [16:23] Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11 Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02) [16:25] just the b43 driver then [16:25] I see no problem [16:25] b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer [16:25] That was what I got. [16:25] But there are many threads of failure getting this specific model to work on wireless. [16:25] firmware-b43 is fine yeah [16:25] Dunno why. [16:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [16:26] I know Backtrack 5 R1 supported it by default. [16:26] Whatever, it works. [16:26] Onto finding a mouse. [16:32] awesome, zukitwo updated with an xfwm4 theme; [16:37] Hello [16:38] I've been having a small problem on 11.10 [16:38] I want to change the internal UI of programs like the software center to the default greybird (I think) theme [16:39] I'm using clearlooks but some programs that use that theme dont look very good [16:40] Actually using industriial, sorry [16:41] ? [16:47] Anyone? [16:49] time to update my custom iso [16:50] fennec: if you want grey, try zukitwo [16:50] has just been updated to add an xfwm window theme. pretty nice [16:50] Will it keep the fancy UI's in the software center etc then? [16:51] just looked and yes, it does [16:51] Because I kinda prefer the white in industrial [16:51] I'll check it out [16:52] http://imgur.com/tSQ0R [16:53] I don't really care for that dark theme [16:53] I've customized my current one a bit and want to keep it [16:53] Trauma is free? [16:53] I'll post a pic [16:54] No i think its like $3 [16:54] fennec: then just use the appearance part of zukitwo.. [16:54] there is a non dark variant.. [16:54] also.. [16:54] Oh okay.' [16:56] greybird is quite a dark theme [16:56]