[00:02] <aguitel> penguin42, me too in some new machine ,but in old ....this is the question
[00:03] <penguin42> aguitel: Yeh, xubuntu is probably a good bet - xfce is quite nice
[00:05] <aguitel> yes
[00:06] <FernandoMiguel> Happy New Year !!!
[00:07] <aguitel> feliz 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[00:08] <yofel> happy new year ;)
[02:56] <FernandoMiguel> nite ! ill go now enjoying my 1st 2012 sleep
[04:07] <Fudge> hi all
[11:20] <atvr> i need a link for ubuntu 12.04 beta, i need to make some test on my machine beceaus 11.10 dosnt work
[11:27] <oCean> atvr: not beta, still apha 1 at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/precise/alpha-1/
[11:30] <micahg> atvr: it won't exist until March
[12:08] <aguitel> why in 10.04 glxgears run 600 FPS and in 12.04 are 60 FPS ?
[12:10] <Stanley00> aguitel: did you install video driver, and/or use the same resolution when run glxgears?
[12:11] <aguitel> Stanley00, i have intel video card
[12:12] <aguitel> Stanley00, no drivers need and same resolution
[12:12] <aguitel> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02)
[12:12] <Stanley00> aguitel: I mean the resolution of the gear?
[12:13] <aguitel> Stanley00, how control this ?
[12:14] <Stanley00> aguitel: with "-geometry" parameter, I think
[12:14] <aguitel> monitor resolution?
[14:49] <scotty^> Where can I download the Precise daily builds?
[14:54] <Ampelbein> scotty^:  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[14:54] <scotty^> Thanks
[14:55] <Ampelbein> if you need the live cd, s/daily/daily-live/
[14:59] <scotty^> Ah yes, that would be better.
[15:00] <scotty^> What's the full URI for that one?
[15:02] <Ampelbein> scotty^: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[15:04] <scotty^> Awesome, thanks.
[16:39] <ultrav1olet> where can I download development packages (deb) for 12.04?
[16:39] <ultrav1olet> I just need a link, nothing else
[16:40] <ultrav1olet> I mean just deb packages
[16:42] <penguin42> ultrav1olet: you can get it from your normal mirror
[16:43] <penguin42> ultrav1olet: The easiest way is to go to packages.ubuntu.com, use the package search and select precise
[16:43] <ultrav1olet> my mirror has ubuntu ubuntu-cdimage and ubuntu-releases directories and none of them have the package I'm interested in
[16:44] <ultrav1olet> ubuntu/pool/universe/a has it, but a very outdated version
[16:46] <Ampelbein> ultrav1olet: What mirror is that?
[16:46] <ultrav1olet> penguin42: damn http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=aircrack-ng&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all
[16:46] <yofel> ultrav1olet: *which* deb? from an archive perspective the devel release is a release like any other
[16:46] <ultrav1olet> no package for Precise Pangolin
[16:46] <penguin42> ah, look like it's been removed from pp
[16:46] <ultrav1olet> WTF??
[16:46]  * yofel looks up why
[16:46] <jtaylor> unmaintained and buggy is my guess :)
[16:47] <ultrav1olet> I don't want to build it from the sources :(
[16:47] <ultrav1olet> v1.1 is maintained and well-built :)
[16:47] <yofel> yeah, by pitti:
[16:47] <yofel> (From Debian) RoQA; unmaintained, RC-buggy, NPOS; Debian bug #642934
[16:48] <yofel> ultrav1olet: you can upload the oneiric package to a PPA then
[16:48] <ultrav1olet> Please remove aircrack-ng. It has unresolved license problems, is
[16:48] <ultrav1olet> not part of stable and genereally unmaintained. Better alternatives
[16:48] <ultrav1olet> exist.
[16:49] <ultrav1olet> alternatives? Fsck me :)
[16:49] <keffie_jayx> Could anyone help me with a lsb_release error on 12.04?
[16:49] <keffie_jayx> bash: /usr/bin/lsb_release: /usr/bin/python3: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[16:49] <keffie_jayx> python3 is not installed maybe?
[16:49] <jtaylor> probably
[16:49] <jtaylor> since when is python3 part of lsb :O
[16:51] <jtaylor> ah the script itself is py3
[16:51] <jtaylor> probably due to the py2 removal from the cd
[16:51] <keffie_jayx> well python3 is installed for obvious reasons
[16:52] <penguin42> keffie_jayx: Can you run /usr/bin/python3 ?
[16:52] <keffie_jayx> yep... python3.2
[16:52] <penguin42> yofel: You'd hope that a bug that said 'there are better alternatives' would list them
[16:53] <yofel> penguin42: yeah, I just read the whole report, but nothing to be found there :/
[16:53] <keffie_jayx> penguin42: 3.2, but I guess the script references python3
[16:53] <yofel> hm, lsb_release works fine here
[16:54] <penguin42> keffie_jayx: but you actually have the file /usr/bin/python3   ?
[16:55] <keffie_jayx> penguin42: no.
[16:56] <keffie_jayx> penguin42: is that some sort of ln?
[16:56] <yofel> it's part of python3-minimal
[16:56] <penguin42> keffie_jayx: Yes it is a symlink
[16:57] <keffie_jayx> somehow it was not created
[16:58] <jtaylor> reinstall python3-minimal
[16:58] <keffie_jayx> ok
[16:58] <keffie_jayx> thanks
[17:00] <keffie_jayx> jtaylor penguin42 yofel thanks, works now. happy new year to you
[17:00] <penguin42> HNY keffie_jayx
[17:00] <yofel> np, you too
[17:01]  * penguin42 wonders how that broke
[19:49]  * BluesKaj trusts that the latest upgrades won't break his setup :|
[19:50]  * FernandoMiguel checks for updates
[19:51] <BluesKaj> <--- hasn't updated in a while
[19:52] <penguin42> seems ok here
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel>   firefox firefox-globalmenu firefox-gnome-support firefox-locale-en firefox-locale-pt libvlc5 vlc vlc-nox vlc-plugin-notify vlc-plugin-pulse
[19:52] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[19:54] <BluesKaj> happy New Year gentlemen !
[19:54] <penguin42> HNY BluesKaj
[19:58] <FernandoMiguel> enjoy all 366 of it
[19:59] <BluesKaj> leap yr eh ?
[20:07] <guntbert> how can I (in CLI) find out which of my packages will be the"1 not upgraded" by aptitude safe-upgrade?
[20:08] <jtaylor> apt-get dist-upgrade, the package thats listed under kept back
[20:09] <jtaylor> no only upgrade
[20:10] <jtaylor> not dist upgradeobviously :)
[20:10] <guntbert> jtaylor: good idea, I forgot that upgrade still asks "want to continue?"
[20:19] <Ampelbein> And you probably shouldn't use aptitude anymore, it has troubles with multiarch IIRC.
[20:21] <robin0800> jtaylor: use the update manager that will show and also propt to do a partial install don't do this of course
[20:21] <BluesKaj> yeah, I used to like aptitude alot but , apt-get has caught up and passed it in terms of resolving dependencies.
[20:21] <FernandoMiguel> meh
[20:21] <FernandoMiguel> I love aptitude too mcuh
[20:21] <FernandoMiguel> *much
[20:27] <guntbert> Ampelbein: any references to support your statement?
[20:28] <Ampelbein> Gunni: sure, bug 831768
[20:28] <Ampelbein> sorry, guntbert ^^
[20:30] <guntbert> Ampelbein: thx for the heads up
[20:32] <guntbert> follow up question: how can I find out why software-center is not upgraded to 5.1.4 for almost a week now?
[20:32] <jtaylor> what does dist-upgrade say?
[20:34] <guntbert> jtaylor: I have to try...
[20:36] <guntbert> jtaylor: it would remove python-gobject-cairo and install python-gi-cairo
[20:37] <jtaylor> probably makes sense
[20:38] <jtaylor> see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/5.1.3.1
[20:39] <bjsnider> also the developers are on holiday
[20:49] <guntbert> bjsnider: of course - there is nothing urgent I was only curious
[20:51] <guntbert> jtaylor: the dist-upgrade went ok - with a somewhat crazy report:  dpkg: python-gobject-cairo: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested: software-center depends on python-gobject-cairo. (I don't need futher help...)
[23:02] <Fudge> hi all
[23:05] <jacobw> hi Fudge
[23:05] <Fudge> jacobw  howdy
[23:06] <Fudge> figured out that the floppy in fstab and a non existent swap since i removed it was  causing major delays in boot time
[23:34] <penguin42> Fudge: Ah I reckon Ubuntu is rarely tested with floppies these days
[23:35] <Resistance> heh
[23:35] <Resistance> i dont think they even still produce floopy drives...
[23:36] <Resistance> do they?
[23:37] <penguin42> I suspect they do - for replacements in machines built ages ago
[23:38] <Daekdroom> Not only for replacements but for those who stored a huge amount of data in floppies.
[23:38] <Daekdroom> Same way it happens with VHS.
[23:44] <Fudge> penguin42  its that the header is not disabled in the bios i think
[23:44] <Fudge> it was also causing gparted to take for ever to scan for partitions
[23:46] <Fudge> still is actually, not sure how to disable it at os level
[23:48] <robin0800> Fudge: comment it out in fstab and blacklist the floppy in modprobe.d
[23:49] <Fudge> ah i hadnt blacklisted it
[23:51] <robin0800> Fudge: update initramfs and grub the you can delete the floppy in /media
[23:51] <Fudge> robin0800  in blacklist.conf? what would the entry be blacklist fd0?
[23:52] <robin0800> Fudge: blacklist floppy
[23:52] <Fudge> too easy
[23:55] <Fudge> yay thats much better
[23:56] <penguin42> Fudge: I'm curious; do you purely use a screen reader - do you use anything else like readers hung off serial etc?
[23:57] <Fudge> penguin42  yes just rely on speech, i do have  a dectalk express but i am missing the pty cable which is similar to rj45 - serial
[23:57] <Fudge> i can see screens pop up but no chance to read any content
[23:57] <penguin42> Fudge: OK, reason I ask is that if you have serial you should be able to get grub and kernel messages to go to it (and on some bioses the bios)
[23:58] <Fudge> oh grub as well? wasn't aware of that
[23:58] <penguin42> Fudge: Yeh, not done it for a while, but they do it for things like server farms and embedded stuff quite often
[23:59] <Fudge> i get speech-dispatcher to start with pulse so i get most of the bootup messages through soft synth
[23:59] <Fudge> there is always something simple that can throw a spanner in the works though like at bios level
[23:59] <Fudge> some weeks ago i could not boot from cd because after pushing f8 to getmy boot media up i was not aware of an error and having to push f2 to reload defaults