[00:37] <Alcine> sanbar: o.O
[01:05] <jalcine_> Ha!
[01:20] <sanbar> jalcine_: Success?
[01:20] <jalcine> Very much so
[01:20] <sanbar> jalcine_: What it the world was going on?
[01:21] <jalcine> Trying to get AndroIRC working right.
[01:21] <sanbar> Oh.  You likeit?
[01:24] <jalcine> It's okay, just wanted mobility with IRC>
[01:24] <sanbar> Yah, I need to do that as well, I guess ...
[01:25]  * sanbar likes git tags and branches - just learned branches today
[02:42] <sanbar> shadeslayer: Happy New Years Eve!
[10:05] <shahan> My NTFS drives are not showing on my UBUNTU 11.10 desktop 32Bit. I recovered my GRUB2 as I installed Windows after installing Windows XP on my PC. The drive were shown on Ubuntu 11.10 previously.
[10:11] <hobgoblin> shahan: did you try any of the options you were given yesterday?
[10:12] <shahan> hobgoblin: Actually I was looking for the actual solution and don't  want to use any 3rd party software.
[10:12] <hobgoblin> fair enough
[10:13] <hobgoblin> if no-one here can help then I'd try #ubuntu, ubuntuforums or askubuntu
[10:13] <hobgoblin> hang about and see :)
[10:13] <shahan> hobgoblin: tnx for your suggestion.
[10:13] <hobgoblin> though to be frank I'd not call editing fstab to add these 3rd party filesystems to your linux machine :p
[10:14]  * OutOfControl thinks askubuntu already has a questopn on that
[10:15] <hobgoblin> I'd guess so - I'd look for something like automount failing
[10:15] <hobgoblin> shahan: anything that allows you to see ntfs on linux is going to be using something that's 3rd party - linux doesn't use ntfs :p
[10:22] <Silverlion> hi there, who knows whether Ebook-Readers and Kindles are able to process a (x)html <table>?
[10:23] <Silverlion> and of course, a happy new year too all of you
[10:27] <shahan> hobgoblin: but it mounts NTFS automatically. Doesnt require to install any software.
[11:35] <tony_> Can someone assist me with installing a theme?
[11:37] <tony_> anyone?
[13:28] <susah_sebut> hi all, im having problem in synchronizing my notes in ubuntu ONE. it all happened after i log in to ONE using 12.04 alpha. in 12.04 i was unable to log in using ONE control panel, only using web. after that i cant syncronize tomboy notes anymore using my 10.04 laptop and 11.10 desktop. Is there any way that i can fix this? sorry if my english is bad. especially the grammar. im kinda worried that my question might not be accurate.
[13:30] <geirha> susah_sebut: I haven't used UbuntuONE much myself, but I think #ubuntuone would be a better place to ask.
[13:32] <geirha> Your english is fine by the way. :)
[13:32] <susah_sebut> oh, thanks. im still new in irc. so dont know which channel would be best. thanks again. have a nice day
[13:34] <elfy> forthe record susah_sebut - don't worry too much about grammar -we'll ask if necessary and you're english is fine
[13:50] <hobgoblin> tony_: I'm here too
[13:51] <tony_> is this where I should be?
[13:52] <hobgoblin> yea tony_ - this is the support channel  - other one is a 'team chat' channel, you are welcome there too
[13:52] <hobgoblin> I was happy to talk in there with you - but when people start chatting it can get confusing
[13:52] <tony_> ok ... my first time on chat... not so easy to get to right place
[13:52] <hobgoblin> :)
[13:53] <hobgoblin> you did - how did you find these channels?
[13:53] <hobgoblin> and you didn't have to leave the other channel lol
[13:53] <tony_> i am trying to migrate from windows to Linux but not so simple for me but will do
[13:54] <hobgoblin> well - to start with I would dual boot until you're sure
[13:54] <tony_> i have installed 11.10 ubuntu...
[13:54] <hobgoblin> os - as far as the theme thing goes - what have you tried so far
[13:54] <tony_> my laptop is windows and desktop is ubuntu
[13:54] <hobgoblin> aah k
[13:55] <hobgoblin> as I said earlier the theme thing is mostly about not using gtk2 ones - have you tried the webupd page you got
[13:55] <tony_> I have installed ubuntu default and advanced settings
[13:56] <hobgoblin> ok - and does it help?
[13:56] <hobgoblin> I can boot the vm if necessary to look
[13:56] <tony_> very little as I want to completely change the page...
[13:57] <hobgoblin> mmm not so sure you can do that - but I stopped using ubuntu
[13:57] <tony_> what you using?
[13:57] <hobgoblin> xubuntu
[13:57] <tony_> I wanted to install mint but my system would not boot into ISO
[13:57] <hobgoblin> different desktop environment
[13:58] <hobgoblin> if it booted the ubuntu one then I'd check the md5sum and integrity of the mint disk then
[13:58] <tony_> would mint be better?
[13:59] <hobgoblin> perhaps - I personally don't like mint
[13:59] <hobgoblin> the thing is that on the whole linux is more of a personal thing
[13:59] <hobgoblin> much more choice on the whole
[14:00] <tony_> yes I have gathered... I just want a linux os that is easy for me to use and understand
[14:01] <hobgoblin> well generally under the hood they are much the same - gnome/xfce/kde are the main ones
[14:01] <hobgoblin> is you're desktop quite well specced?
[14:01] <hobgoblin> ram and cpu etc
[14:02] <tony_> no... I have a very basic unit but 8 gigs ram
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Which theme are you trying to install tony_
[14:03] <tony_> 1 min a
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Hi hobgoblin happy new year
[14:03] <hobgoblin> gtk2 in ubuntu nothingspecial
[14:03] <nothingspecial> oh
[14:03] <hobgoblin> tony_: I'd maybe have a look at kubuntu
[14:03] <nothingspecial> Or try gnome-shell
[14:04] <hobgoblin> you'll not get stuck with it when finding things on the internet that don't work becasue of version mismatches
[14:04] <nothingspecial> Some nice themes for that and you don't have to install a new desktop environment
[14:04] <hobgoblin> oh - nice to know that
[14:05] <nothingspecial> webupd8 and omgubuntu have lots of nice links to gnome-shell themes
[14:05] <nothingspecial> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[14:05] <nothingspecial> then log out
[14:05] <hobgoblin> perhaps if tony_ is still wanting help with that you can take over for a while nothingspecial
[14:06] <nothingspecial> sorry hobgoblin :p
[14:06] <nothingspecial> you still here tony_
[14:06] <tony_> yes
[14:06] <hobgoblin> lol - carry on - you know my gnome stance nothingspecial :D
[14:06] <tony_> I just want a better desktop.... not the hidden menus
[14:07] <hobgoblin> try kubuntu
[14:07] <hobgoblin> :)
[14:07] <hobgoblin> it's a 'bit' windowslike - sort of
[14:08] <nothingspecial> or xubuntu which is a bit like ubuntu used to be
[14:08] <hobgoblin> yea - but not quite as simple to theme :)
[14:08] <nothingspecial> but you can install extensions for gnome-shell that give you proper menus
[14:09] <nothingspecial> if you like :)
[14:09] <nothingspecial> this is linux, do whatever you want \o/
[14:09] <hobgoblin> except in unity ...
[14:09] <tony_> aha if you know how
[14:10] <tony_> I am doing my best to learn
[14:10] <nothingspecial> :)
[14:10] <hobgoblin> well tony_ windows is just the same as that - you didn't know how to do stuff there till you found out :)
[14:10]  * nothingspecial is still finding out about windows
[14:10] <tony_> correct but that is also from years
[14:10] <hobgoblin> tony_: sometimes it feels like an uphill struggle - I've been there
[14:10] <hobgoblin> yep
[14:11] <nothingspecial> haven't tried to change a theme yet
[14:11] <tony_> right now I want to setup my desktop.... anything will do right now
[14:11] <hobgoblin> tony_: if you have the bandwidth and some cd's - I would get kubuntu and xubuntu and have a look at those
[14:12] <nothingspecial> That's just what I was typing
[14:12] <nothingspecial> lol
[14:12] <hobgoblin> actually the other way to look is to download them and run them in a virtual machine
[14:12] <tony_> but that means a new os?
[14:12] <hobgoblin> you can do that from within the existing ubuntu
[14:12] <tony_> Mint/Ubuntu is suppose to be the best?
[14:12] <nothingspecial> all buntus are the same but with a different look
[14:13] <hobgoblin> it's a new desktop environment mostly tony_
[14:13] <nothingspecial> you can install kde, xfce4 and lxde and choose between them when you log in
[14:13] <nothingspecial> kde-base I think is the package
[14:14] <nothingspecial> no it's not
[14:14] <nothingspecial> wb hobgoblin
[14:14] <hobgoblin> whoops
[14:14] <nothingspecial> ha ha ha
[14:15] <hobgoblin> tony_: you can actually install one from within ubuntu then remove ubuntu
[14:16] <tony_> ?
[14:16] <tony_> kde, xfce4 and lxde?
[14:16] <nothingspecial> different looks tony_
[14:16] <tony_> so are you saying each one of these is a different look and I should re-install Ubuntu and choose?
[14:17] <nothingspecial> no
[14:17] <nothingspecial> you don't need to reinstall ubuntu
[14:18] <nothingspecial> look at this page http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/whichbuntu
[14:19] <nothingspecial> The whole site is excellent for beginners
[14:23] <tony_> thanks but I am still confused. If I dont have to re-install ubuntu to change the desktop... how do i change within Ubuntu?
[14:24] <hobgoblin> basically because it's the way it is - there is a base - then there are some other packages which make the rest up
[14:24] <hobgoblin> simplistically
[14:24] <nothingspecial> well you could install the xubuntu-desktop package or the kubuntu-desktop package
[14:24] <hobgoblin> all you are doing is adding some of the 'other' packasges
[14:25] <nothingspecial> but that will download a whole bunch of stuff you might not want
[14:25] <tony_> eish
[14:25] <nothingspecial> which is why we suggest trying live cds
[14:26] <nothingspecial> to see which you like
[14:26] <hobgoblin> tony_: or virtual machines - probably easier
[14:26] <nothingspecial> yep, those too
[14:26] <hobgoblin> then if you decide you want to use on of the others reinstall that one
[14:28] <nothingspecial> with 8 gigs of ram you could run them all at the same time :)
[14:29] <tony_> ok so where should I look?
[14:30] <nothingspecial> http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[14:30] <nothingspecial> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[14:31] <nothingspecial> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[14:31] <hobgoblin> tony_: once you've got them both - and I suggest using a torrent if you can then ping and we can help you get them going in a virtual machine
[14:31] <nothingspecial> yep, if I am around :)
[14:32] <hobgoblin> I'll likely be about - or elfy
[14:32] <tony_> thank you
[14:33] <tony_> so you say this would be a better option that Mint?
[14:34] <nothingspecial> try them all
[14:34] <tony_> I would not get mint to work
[14:35] <nothingspecial> should work if ubuntu works
[14:35] <nothingspecial> maybe a bad download
[14:35] <hobgoblin> tony_: that's probably more likely an issue with the download - hence the use torrent comment - then you know that bit is at least good
[14:36] <tony_> boots into a blank screen.... tried it on a bought CD and download
[14:36] <nothingspecial> what make is your laptop
[14:36] <tony_> desktop
[14:36] <nothingspecial> oh sorry
[14:36] <hobgoblin> graphics card make
[14:37] <tony_> none... just built in one
[14:37] <hobgoblin> but that is as far as I'll go with support for mint
[14:37] <hobgoblin> onboard card then - there is a graphics card of some sort
[14:37] <tony_> yes only built in
[14:38] <hobgoblin> and it is a ? intel - nvidia - amd ...
[14:38] <tony_> let me look
[14:39] <hobgoblin> all of which is a bit by the by - if you got ubuntu working I would expect mint to - it is in fact ubuntu with some shiny bits stuck on
[14:39] <tony_> Intel® G41 x86/MMX/SSE2
[14:45] <nothingspecial> I got to go for a bit
[14:45] <nothingspecial> cya
[14:45] <hobgoblin> cya
[14:46] <hobgoblin> tony_: I would suggest getting those iso's then running them in a vm - then decide what you want
[14:46] <hobgoblin> I can help you with the vm later
[14:46] <hobgoblin> but I've got family stuff to do for a while
[14:49] <hobgoblin> tony_: here's the link to get to the mint irc channel - might be someone can help you with that http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
[15:45] <shadeslayer> sanbar: Happy New year to you too :)
[16:29] <geekosopher> #ubuntu-beginners-team
[16:30] <hobgoblin> yep - we all said i
[16:40]  * coalwater says I .. doesn't know why though
[16:41] <hobgoblin> bad goblin