[00:11] <Marzata> Happy new year from Scandinavia!
[00:14] <mongy> ditto from uk
[00:25] <nanotube> same from usa (a few hours away)
[01:15] <fennec> I'm in the airport now
[01:15] <fennec> :D
[01:40] <nanotube> hi. how do i add the standard qwerty us english layout to the list of layouts? my default is dvorak, and i'm trying to add a layout, so i went to settings -> keyboard -> layouts tab
[01:41] <nanotube> in the list of layouts under english (us), there are all kids of variants, but it seems none of them is standard
[01:54] <user___> How would I go about making a compete backup of a xubuntu that is installed on an SD card?
[01:55] <user___> i was going to just copy everything on the card to another computer, but the card can't be read by windows
[01:55] <nanotube> user___: use a linux distro to read it
[01:57] <user___> do you know why it wouldn't work in windows?
[01:57] <nanotube> because windows doesn't read ext3 filesystems
[01:57] <nanotube> (which is i bet what the sd card is formatted as for the linux install)
[01:58] <nanotube> or maybe ext4... but same deal
[02:01] <user___> Oh, yeah that's what i formatted it with
[02:02] <user___> thanks for the help, I actually need to install a linux distro on my desktop
[02:17] <nanotube> ok, gl user___ :)
[02:21] <fennec> Hi again :p
[02:21] <nanotube> howdy
[02:21] <nanotube> on the plane yet? ;)
[02:22] <fennec> Nope, I dunno if Volaris has airplane wifi
[02:22] <nanotube> heh
[02:22] <fennec> If they do I'll let you know
[02:22] <nanotube> well happy travels
[02:22] <fennec> Thanks :D
[02:23] <fennec> Slightly useless question: Does anyone else ennjoy customizing their desktops endlessly? Like can do it for hours? xD
[02:26] <fennec> Guess not lol
[02:27] <fennec> I've been building a game I'm going to try and sell in a humble bundle
[02:27] <fennec> Built entirely on Xubuntu!
[02:29] <nanotube> yes, sometimes :)
[02:29] <nanotube> but i try not to.
[02:29] <nanotube> speaking of which, i'm thinking of installing xfce4-goodies. :)
[02:29] <nanotube> seems like it'd add hours of configuration fun!
[02:30] <fennec> :o
[02:30] <fennec> is there an apt get I could have?
[02:30] <fennec> ;D
[02:30] <nanotube> yes, xfce4-goodies :)
[02:31] <nanotube> i ran across it because i was looking for a keyboard layout manager
[02:31] <nanotube> which is xfce4-xkb-plugin
[02:31] <nanotube> which seems to be part of the -goodies family
[02:31] <fennec> ahh
[02:31] <nanotube> then started looking at the -goodies docs, and see a lot of nifty stuff. :)
[02:32] <nanotube> bbiaf food
[02:32] <fennec> Somehow Xmoto remains endlessly amusing
[02:32] <fennec> Yet I am absolutely horrible at it
[02:36] <fennec> Its so strange in the airport when I look at all the other kids my age
[02:36] <fennec> Theyre playing angry birds on a enlarged iphone/ipad
[02:37] <fennec> I'm hacking on GNU/Linux
[02:37] <fennec> xD
[02:40] <Marzata> fennec: what airport?
[02:40] <fennec> Cabo San Lucas I think
[02:40] <fennec> Idk >.>
[02:41] <fennec> I should know
[02:41] <fennec> But I dont
[02:41] <Marzata> you dunno the airport?
[02:41] <fennec> Not the specific name
[02:41] <fennec> lemme check
[02:41] <fennec> Oh los cabos something
[02:42] <fennec> its uhhh
[02:43] <fennec> San Jose Del Cabo Airport, Baja California Sur, Mexico
[02:43] <fennec> :D
[02:43] <fennec> Just Los Cabos airport
[02:43] <fennec> This networks to slow for installing stuff
[02:44] <fennec> I'm already downloadin warso :p
[02:44] <fennec> warsow*
[02:44] <Marzata> SJD?
[02:44] <fennec> Speed is 12 Mb/s
[02:44] <fennec> Yeah SJD
[02:45] <fennec> But why does it matter olol
[02:45] <fennec> Y u so creepin
[02:45] <Marzata> 12 Mb/s not that bad for SJD
[02:46] <fennec> It could be better if I wanted
[02:46] <fennec> I'm like 150ft from the starbuck wireless I'm stealing
[02:46] <fennec> I didn't actually buy anything there :p
[02:47] <Marzata> free wifi?
[02:47] <fennec> It has the password on the recept
[02:47] <fennec> So I just asked someone what it said
[02:49] <fennec> Theres this big danish dude over by me
[02:49] <fennec> Hes yelling and clapping
[02:49] <fennec> He reminds me of an angry gorilla
[02:49] <fennec> His wifes trying to  calm him down
[02:51] <oobiloz> what's she doing? is it working?
[02:51] <fennec> I dunno lol
[02:51] <fennec> \/^o^\/
[02:54] <fennec> Sorry if i disconnected
[02:54] <fennec> Am bored
[02:55] <fennec> Lets see your desktop~ the result of customizations 8D
[02:55] <fennec> Imma pst mine
[03:00] <fennec> Its funny the mexican ads I get
[03:00] <fennec> I'm not using a vpn
[03:01] <oobiloz> eheheh
[03:01] <fennec> Uploading... Please Wait
[03:01] <fennec> Heh not those kinds of ads >.>
[03:02] <oobiloz> ok
[03:02] <oobiloz> wher eis ur desktop
[03:02] <fennec> Still uploading
[03:02]  * oobiloz waits
[03:02] <oobiloz> curious to see it before i go
[03:03] <fennec> connection was reset wile page was loading
[03:03] <fennec> gah
[03:03] <oobiloz> oh taht sux
[03:03] <oobiloz> lol
[03:04] <oobiloz> well, i gtg, notice me ur desktop if u feel like it
[03:04] <fennec> no seriously
[03:04] <fennec> its uploading
[03:04] <fennec> D:
[03:05] <oobiloz> that heavy eh
[03:05] <fennec> I swear its gonna upload
[03:05] <oobiloz> what did u think of mine
[03:05] <fennec> i stopped it to upload mine
[03:06] <fennec> as much speed as I can get lol
[03:06] <fennec> Upload! go go go!
[03:07] <fennec> I couldve mailed you my desktop by now
[03:08] <fennec> Doo-doo doo-doo do do do
[03:09] <fennec> >jeapardy musiks
[03:09] <oobiloz> lol
[03:09] <oobiloz> u on ur starbucks cnxn yes?
[03:09] <fennec> lol @ this ad http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/eb/1e/6c/b0/eb1e6cb01a83d286a004de3f1eb262a.gif
[03:10] <fennec> Yes I am
[03:10] <oobiloz> i saw jumping window, didnt' understand a word but "si"
[03:10] <oobiloz> lol
[03:10] <fennec> what about "iPad 2!"
[03:11] <oobiloz> i must have missed it
[03:11] <oobiloz> i got distracted but reclamor (something) and si
[03:12] <oobiloz> how big is ur desktop photo
[03:12] <oobiloz> as bit as an mp3?
[03:12] <fennec> 1600x900
[03:12] <fennec> >.<
[03:12] <oobiloz> tht's not so bad
[03:12] <oobiloz> i guess?
[03:13] <fennec> Eh its bad
[03:13] <fennec> It took 10 secs on a 0.75 cconnection
[03:13] <fennec> somehow
[03:15] <oobiloz> ok
[03:16] <fennec> ohwell I'll load yours at least
[03:16] <fennec> *but tonight * <dududduduh> *its heavy stuff* DODODDDDOOOOOO DODODODODDOOO DOO
[03:17] <fennec> DOO DO DOO DOO DO DEW DEW DEW DO DEA DO
[03:17] <fennec> DODODODODOODODODDODOODO DODODODOODODODDO
[03:17] <fennec> DOOO DOOO DOOO
[03:17] <fennec> This has been a text based representation of Slam by Pendulum
[03:18] <fennec> Your desktops still loading olol
[03:18] <oobiloz> i'm listnin to a super long song, i dare say i8t'll be over before u load it
[03:19] <fennec> watt song
[03:19] <oobiloz> melodica by stimming
[03:20] <fennec> Never heard of it
[03:20] <fennec> SO JUST LISTEN AGAIN TO MY MUSICAL DOODLE
[03:20] <fennec> DODODODODODODO DO DO DO
[03:20] <oobiloz> it's a different song now
[03:20] <oobiloz> lol
[03:23] <fennec> My mind-jukebox has switched songs three times now
[03:24] <oobiloz> eheh
[03:24] <fennec> Maybe you should just describe your desktop
[03:24] <fennec> I see two heads
[03:24] <fennec> And a bittorent client ;D
[03:25] <oobiloz> that bad huh
[03:25] <oobiloz> the heads are pretty
[03:25] <oobiloz> wait for them to load
[03:25] <fennec> oh oh oh I can see the shoulders now
[03:25] <fennec> oh I'm starting to get the arms
[03:26] <fennec> So hows the weather in your partss
[03:26] <oobiloz> it's not even a big file
[03:26] <oobiloz> it's not as cold as other places
[03:26] <oobiloz> but i find it cold
[03:26] <fennec> And where are you anywhoo
[03:26] <oobiloz> ehehe
[03:26] <oobiloz> southeast asia
[03:26] <oobiloz> very near equator and i'm complaining about cold and humidity
[03:26] <oobiloz> u are somewehre in.. mexico?
[03:26] <fennec> Whereabouts?
[03:27] <fennec> Oh oh oh I can see another errr interesting part. You know whats below the shoulders
[03:27] <fennec> xD
[03:27] <oobiloz> mountain, i live up a mountain where u get big spiders and damp
[03:27] <oobiloz> and only one isp agreed to give serive
[03:27] <oobiloz> service
[03:27] <oobiloz> lol
[03:27] <fennec> Well we got plenty of people
[03:28] <fennec> But only one isp
[03:28] <oobiloz> lol
[03:28] <fennec> pretty much owns the whole thing besides satellite stuff
[03:28] <fennec> I'm in socal
[03:28] <oobiloz> where are u at again?
[03:28] <oobiloz> socal?
[03:28] <fennec> but currently in baja mexico going to fly home
[03:28] <fennec> southern california, us
[03:28] <fennec> :p
[03:28] <oobiloz> oh
[03:28] <oobiloz> am looking at the map
[03:28] <oobiloz> that far from san fran?
[03:29] <fennec> Oh I'm at the hips now
[03:29] <fennec> yes its still going
[03:29] <fennec> its done!
[03:29] <fennec> hooray
[03:29] <oobiloz> wow
[03:29] <oobiloz> this is the third song
[03:29] <oobiloz> took three songs for that measly pic to load
[03:29] <fennec> wait I waited all that time for that
[03:29] <fennec> olol
[03:29] <oobiloz> i know
[03:30] <fennec> my internet speed is good again now
[03:30] <oobiloz> that took forever
[03:30] <oobiloz> i wudn't have had ur patience
[03:30] <oobiloz> i'm looking at pics in wiki, socal looks nice
[03:38] <fennec> I figure it doesnt matter so
[03:38] <fennec> I'm in Dana Point
[03:38] <fennec> Though I hate to say it
[03:38] <fennec> Just moved from san clemente
[03:38] <fennec> Dana Point is so fanceh
[03:38] <fennec> xD
[03:38] <fennec> So what country are you in
[03:39] <fennec> and are you originally from there?
[03:39] <oobiloz> Philippines
[03:39] <oobiloz> yes, born here
[03:39] <fennec> You are nt speeking many engrishes
[03:39] <oobiloz> i iz not?
[03:39] <oobiloz> ehehe
[03:40] <oobiloz> what about u, are u originally from socal?
[03:40] <fennec> I think I'm getting on the plane In a min here
[03:40] <fennec> so If I suddenly rrraaaaageee quit, You know why
[03:40] <oobiloz> okies, have a pleasant flight
[03:40] <oobiloz> and hopefully a better connection when u land
[03:40] <oobiloz> maybe i'll see ur desktop sometime
[03:41] <fennec> Hopefully
[03:41] <fennec> I'll be on soon
[03:41] <fennec> Hopefully :)
[03:42] <oobiloz> stay safe
[03:42]  * oobiloz off for now
[03:42] <fennec> Might as well leave now
[03:42] <fennec> cya
[05:12] <nanotube> easy way to remap capslock to ctrl, via some xubuntu control panel?
[05:12] <nanotube> is there one, that is? :)
[05:36] <|multipass|> is xubuntu upgrading pretty flawless? when going from like 11.04 to .10
[05:53] <techvish81> my default keyboard layout changes automatically to the second layout i've kept , what to do to retain it to en(us)
[05:57] <techvish81> the keyboard layout switcher plugin in xubuntu is very buggy but still i've managed to do with it, but it has become very annoying to switch the layout everytime i login, even if i've done nothing with it or not have to do anything which requires switching keyboard..
[05:59] <techvish81> plz help guys!!! i've been helped 2-3 times here and quite optimistic to get answer here after googling and failing to get it working..
[06:03] <nanotube> techvish81: just be a little patient, everyone's probably out celebrating the new year :)
[06:03] <nanotube> fwiw, my default layout is dvorak, and i was just looking into using the xkb-plugin to manage the layouts
[06:04] <techvish81> ok, then .. i will see after sometime,  happy new year to all the guys here who keep helping people
[06:48] <user____> I'm not sure if this should go here or in the ubuntu channel, but:
[06:48] <user____> I'm trying to copy an SD card that has xubuntu installed on it but I can't beacuse ubuntu(what I'm running now) says that I don't have permision to read certain files. So how do I go about backing it up?
[06:49] <bert4389> change the permission on the SD card to whatever user you want to own the data
[06:50] <bert4389> when you change the permissions you will have to do it as root, i am assuming the file system on the SD card is a linux file system
[06:51] <bert4389> does that make sense?
[06:54] <user____> it's xubuntu on the card; change the permisions when i'm booted up IN the card?
[06:54] <bert4389> you said you are using ubuntu now, and you are trying to backup the sd card right?
[06:54] <nanotube> can you just run copy with sudo?
[06:54] <user____> yeah
[06:55] <user____> :/ i don't know the command to copy files in the terminal
[06:55] <bert4389> are you trying to back up files on the sd card or the whole file system on the sd card?
[06:55] <nanotube> sudo cp -R /path/to/sdcard /path/to/target/dir
[06:55] <user____> the whole file system
[06:56] <bert4389> the command nanotube just gave you will copy all the files from your SD card to whatever directory you want on your ubuntu hard drive
[06:56] <user____> alright, thanks; so it would be something like /media/[cards name here]
[06:57] <bert4389> yes
[06:58] <nanotube> user____: try "ls -al /media" to see what you have there.
[06:59] <user____> thanks, it has a long file name
[07:00] <bert4389> it's probably the UUID if the file system doesn't have a label
[07:08] <user____> Alright it's a decent way through and seems to be copying fine
[07:08] <user____> thanks, you guys are life savers
[07:16] <nanotube> np user____ :)
[07:38] <user____> I'm gonna hit the sack, happy new year, and let's hope it won't be as grim as it seems.
[07:49] <multipass> what are the correct permissions for a local lamp stack? just for my use.
[08:07] <eigoom> I'm on xubuntu
[09:03] <xubuntu596> hello?
[09:04] <xubuntu596> Is there anyone?
[09:05] <xubuntu596> i'm installing xubuntu and find the IRC, so what this IRC can do?
[09:06] <xubuntu596> it seems get ready i'd go. bye to anyone it may concern
[09:09] <_Pete_> IRC can deliver your messages to others
[11:24] <michal_s> Happy New Year for everyone! Greetings from Poland.
[11:24] <Da|Mummy> why no open in new tab in file browser? :{
[11:33] <TheSheep> Da|Mummy: thunar does not and will not have tabs
[11:33] <TheSheep> Da|Mummy: middle-click to open in new window
[11:33] <TheSheep> Da|Mummy: or use a different file manager if you absolutely can't live without tabs
[11:50] <lozzy_uk> Hi. Anyone able to give me a hand with a non-working mouse?
[11:54] <Da|Mummy> wireless?
[11:54] <lozzy_uk> no, simple P/S2
[11:54] <lozzy_uk> odd thing is it worked fine under Ubuntu 11.10
[11:55] <Da|Mummy> only odd thing is that youre able to get it not working
[11:55] <Da|Mummy> is it plugged in before you turn pc on?
[11:55] <lozzy_uk> it is
[11:56] <Da|Mummy> thats about the only thing that could be wrong with it if the mouse actually works, as ps2 doesnt liked to be plugged in while pc is booted
[11:57] <lozzy_uk> hmm..well I know the mouse is ok cos of Ubuntu, but using Ubuntu Studio I get nada. I do get a cursor centre screen though
[11:58] <lozzy_uk> which kind of implies it got detected in some way?
[12:01] <lozzy_uk> thanks anyway Da|Mummy
[13:24] <xubuntu838> I have a quick question on xubunu versioning
[13:25] <xubuntu838> I want to install xubuntu on my gf's laptop, but think that the lts version would be better
[13:25] <xubuntu838> if I install 11.10 and then upgrade to 12 when it's realeased and keep her on that version...
[13:26] <xubuntu838> will that effectivelty be the lts?
[13:26] <TheSheep> yes
[13:26] <xubuntu838> that's what I thought, thanks
[13:51] <Ryllez89> i have xubuntu and everytime it goes standby a while, it freezes and cant get it working again(have to shut down by force and reboot again)
[13:59] <mongy> what video driver you got?
[13:59] <Marzata> Ryllez89: got enough cpu/memory?
[14:00] <Ryllez89> ATI RADEON
[14:00] <Ryllez89> my video
[14:00] <Ryllez89> cpu : core 2 duo
[14:00] <Ryllez89> memory: 4gb
[14:02] <mongy> using the free driver or fglrx?
[14:02] <Marzata> Ryllez89: maybe some screenlock / screensaver?
[14:02] <Ryllez89> free driver in this moment, but when i open the "additional driver" show the fglrx to me
[14:03] <Ryllez89> Marzata: the xubuntu 11.10 automatically run the screensaver when i put my computer in screenlock -.-
[14:03] <Ryllez89> and freeze my computer
[14:04] <Marzata> Ryllez89: change to only one simple screen saver.
[14:04] <Ryllez89> i always have to use screenlock
[14:04] <Ryllez89> where i change it?
[14:04] <Marzata> Ryllez89: in the settings manager
[14:06] <Ryllez89> i disable the screensaver now
[14:08] <Marzata> for lock the screen I use xtrlock
[14:08] <Ryllez89> Marzata: this xScreenSaver it's a default program?
[14:08] <Marzata> Ryllez89: seems so, but you can stop it avkoz.
[14:09] <Ryllez89> avkoz = ?
[14:10] <mongy> I disable it and just use the power management settings in settings manager.. and ctrl alt del to lock
[14:11] <Ryllez89> how i can disable it?
[14:11] <mongy> change the mode to disabled
[14:12] <Ryllez89> yeah, but the xscreensaver appear when we move the mouse
[14:12] <Ryllez89> a black screen for login
[14:13] <mongy> screensaver is disabled, but still uses the app to lock
[14:14] <Ryllez89> yeah
[14:14] <mongy> yeah, I'm saying.. it uses it for the locking
[15:35] <popsch> is there a way to force a reload of the pulse audio modules like 'alsa force-reload'
[15:39] <fennec> Hallo
[15:56] <fennec> Eating bacon burrito
[15:56] <fennec> in the airport
[15:56] <fennec> flight delayed
[15:58] <fennec> g2g on the plane
[16:00] <Marzata> reading Mail http://goo.gl/Yx9VT
[16:00] <Ryllez89> guys, how i activate the multi user?
[16:00] <Ryllez89> when i press ctrl alt f7 nothign happens
[16:09] <TheSheep> Ryllez89: what do you mean?
[16:11] <mongy> i think he wants another x session
[16:18] <holstein> Ryllez89: i have a via chipset that TTY's appear to not work on
[19:58] <douglas> Hello, I'm trying to make a live boot usb thumb drive for xubuntu 11.10
[19:58] <holstein> douglas: i use unetbootin
[19:58] <holstein> the main ubuntu iso's can be dd copied... not sure it the xubuntu  ones can
[19:59] <nanotube> there's also the 'startup disk creator'
[19:59] <nanotube> which can make a bootable usb from an iso
[19:59] <michal_s> douglas: I use unetbootin too, it is good tool
[19:59] <holstein> i forget when i tried that, it failed, and i swore it off... maybe around 9.10?
[19:59] <douglas> thanks nano,  I've used startup disk creator and get a error message at boot
[19:59] <nanotube> ah, what kind of error?
[19:59] <Sysi> holstein: since what version? has dd worked
[19:59] <michal_s> startup disk creator works great too
[19:59] <holstein> douglas: you can try fresh formatting the stick, or try another tool
[20:00] <holstein> Sysi: 11.10
[20:00] <douglas> should I post it to the paste page?
[20:00] <nanotube> douglas: well, sure, let's see it, can't guarantee any useful input based thereon, but... go ahead :)
[20:00] <douglas> brb
[20:01] <holstein> douglas: i would try formatting the stick before creating it, assuming you havent.. then go from there
[20:01] <holstein> http://www.ubuntu-corner.com/2011/06/ubuntu-will-be-distributed-as-a-hybrid-image/
[20:01] <michal_s> douglas: You can try another USB stick. Sometimes There is problem with stick
[20:03] <nanotube> holstein: ah nice link
[20:03] <douglas> OK, it's up on paste under 'douglas'
[20:04] <holstein> douglas: have you tried formatting the stick? before using the creator tool?
[20:05] <douglas> I set the stick to ext3 with gparted
[20:05] <nanotube> douglas: got a direct link?
[20:05] <douglas> a link to the paste?
[20:05] <holstein> douglas: right.. dont 'set' it.. format it fat32, then try using the tool
[20:05] <douglas> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789878/
[20:06] <mongy> I have a usb stick all grub'd up ready and waiting for me to copy an iso to the iso folder. :)
[20:06] <Sysi> BIOS won't boot from ext3, use fat32 or possibly ext2
[20:06] <holstein> mongy: hehe... what do you use? just do it manually?.. i set up multiboot
[20:07] <mongy> manual
[20:07] <douglas> I'm not sure what we are saying with the word 'set',  I guess I partitioned it as ext3, then erased it, then used start up disk creator to make a 'live' stick with X11.10
[20:07] <holstein> douglas: right.. take the stick, and format it fat 32... freshly.. right now... then go to the tool and create the bootable stick
[20:07] <Sysi> select format/erase option in startup disk creator
[20:07] <douglas> OK, I'll redo the stick as FAT32 and run creator on it
[20:07] <holstein> dont partition, or 'set'... just format the whole thing
[20:08] <Sysi> holstein: it actually needs to be partitioned, with msdos partition table and one partition
[20:08] <douglas> The reason for all this I'm really displeased with gnome3.
[20:09] <holstein> Sysi: sure.. feel free and elaborate.. im not sure how else to explain it
[20:09] <Sysi> gnome3 isn't very bad, unity kinda is
[20:09] <mongy> dd works as well though...
[20:09] <douglas> what is dd?
[20:09] <Sysi> mongy: for xubuntu images too?
[20:09] <mongy> Sysi, umm... only ever done it with ubuntu ones
[20:10] <Sysi> dd id bit-by-bit copy
[20:10] <Sysi> dd is*
[20:10] <douglas> oh...
[20:10] <mongy> i'm "assuming" (tm) it works the same
[20:10] <Sysi> holstein: using GPT or partition directly will make booting harder :P
[20:10] <douglas> I'm wanting to setup separate stick with mint and gentoo to try out.
[20:11] <douglas> sticks
[20:11] <nanotube> douglas: some googling doesn't turn up anything useful, maybe a problem with the stick, or how you set it up. try rewipe and repartition as holstein suggests and see if that helps...
[20:11] <holstein> Sysi: again, feel free and eleborate... im just tryin to say... format the stick
[20:12] <Sysi> holstein: that's what I'm talking about :D
[20:12] <douglas> OK holstein, will follow your adivce.
[20:12] <douglas> thank you all
[20:12] <holstein> im only suggesting out of experience
[20:12] <holstein> Sysi: ?
[20:12] <Sysi> gentoo isn't very much of an experience, chroot and endless compiling for what I know
[20:13] <nanotube> mongy: so dd if=isofile of=/usbstick/device, works? that's neat
[20:13] <douglas> I bought 5 4gb sticks from oempc to experiment with different distros
[20:14] <nanotube> heh
[20:14] <mongy> nanotube, has for me so far.  I would test it now but all I have is my custom xubuntu iso
[20:14] <nanotube> well, i'll keep it in mind for the future, mongy ;)
[20:15] <mongy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1288604  a handy little guide for booting isos.
[20:15] <douglas> FAT32 here, here I come.  Back in about an hour.  Thank you all
[20:15] <Sysi> for some reason one of my three sticks won't boot, two other ones work fine (I've totally wiped them all with dd, repartitioned etc.)
[20:20] <mongy> some just don't work.
[20:21] <mongy> had a few sandisk, a couple of maxell and something nameless.  worked ok
[20:22] <douglas> OK the writing is in progress.  The stick is FAT32, labeled as XBUNTU 32bit, and the ISO is being 'done'
[20:28] <mongy> anyone know exactly what the hell thunar does for the first 2 seconds while it starts for the first time?   it accesses the network
[20:28] <TheSheep> mongy: strace it and see
[20:29] <TheSheep> my guess is that it looks for windows shares
[20:29] <Sysi> it's actually something with gvfs, not precicely thunar
[20:29] <mongy> I thought that too..  wonder if I can stop it
[20:29] <Sysi> do you need network mounting?
[20:30] <mongy> nope
[20:30] <mongy> not samba anyway
[20:30] <Sysi> removing gvfs-backends should help
[20:32] <mongy> after that, libcdio-paranoia0 now says its up for removing.
[20:35] <douglas> OK. the stick is done.  will try a reboot now.
[20:35] <douglas> doug out
[20:41] <douglas> Gave the freshly done stick a trial boot and got the same error message after the xubuntu splash screen
[20:42] <holstein> douglas: you can try unetbootin if you like
[20:43] <mongy> what error?
[20:43] <holstein> you can confirm the sum of the downloaded iso
[20:43] <douglas> the error I previously posted on pastebin
[20:43] <holstein> http://paste.ubuntu.com/789878/
[20:43] <douglas> yes, that's it
[20:43] <holstein> (initramfs) mount: mounting  /dev/loop1 on /cow failed: invalid argument
[20:43] <nanotube> did you verify the checksum of the iso?
[20:44] <mongy> tried just dd?
[20:44] <douglas> did not verify.  however, the xubuntu blue splash screen comes up just before the error message
[20:44] <holstein> yup... i would do both.. verify, then dd the iso
[20:45] <douglas> I guess I'd better request help on verifying the checksum?
[20:46] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[20:46] <douglas> thanks holstein
[20:46] <holstein> :)
[20:47] <mongy> douglas, there's always booting the iso with grub2 also
[20:47] <mongy> simple enough
[20:47] <douglas> You guys are geat!
[20:49] <mongy> format it fat32, mount it and sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/where_its_mounted /dev/sdx (x = your usb device)
[20:49] <nanotube> douglas: found something?
[20:49] <nanotube> did checksum match?
[20:50] <mongy> make a grub.cfg in boot/grub and paste http://pastebin.com/ka5KmddF
[20:50] <mongy> copy iso to the /boot folder on stick.  make sure naming is correct. job done
[20:51] <mongy> rinse repeat for other isos
[20:51] <douglas> still working on that checksun
[20:55] <mongy> reminds me, gotta get xubuntu isos seeding on my server
[20:56] <douglas> well, this is interesting:  I used gISOMount on the target, mounted it and asked for the 'Calculate' of the md5sum.  When I tried to mount it the response is 'not an iso file'!  Yet the file ends with .iso.???
[20:57] <mongy> you md5sum the iso, and I usually md5 check all the files after writing to usb
[20:57] <mongy> cd /media/whatever then md5sum -c md5sum.txt
[20:58] <douglas> yes,  I used gISOMount to check the file I downloaded onto my outboard drive.
[20:59] <Marzata> what is the nmap argument to see the hardw. addresses?
[20:59] <mongy> you dont need to mount it..      just check the file you got is the same file the internet has.
[21:06] <douglas> It seems the command line doesn't want to take a directory name with spaces in it:  /media/Boat & Docs/
[21:06] <mongy> use "
[21:06] <mongy> or \ escape it
[21:07] <mongy> dude, just install grub to the stick, make the cfg and copy the iso file.
[21:08] <aledoni> hello can someone help me figure out how to save battery life?
[21:09] <douglas> mongy: I'll try getting grub and installing it on the stick.  What is 'make the cfg and copy the iso file'?
[21:09] <aledoni> I am new to this operating system so I need some help
[21:10] <holstein> aledoni: AFAIK, there are just some developments in the kernel right now... you can try going back to 10.04, or try some kernels from mainline and help prepare for the future :)
[21:10] <mongy> when you install grub to it, you'll have a grub folder.  make a grub.cfg file in it with the relevant info, copy the iso to it..
[21:10] <macman_> hey guys, thanks for this great distro. very low memory usage and fast in virtualbox :-)
[21:10] <mongy> aledoni, there is a kernel boot paramter that supposedly is a workaround.  I'd have to google it
[21:10] <douglas> thank you mongy.  I'll give it a go.
[21:11] <mongy> it's all ^up there
[21:11] <macman_> how do i search for files on xubuntu?
[21:11] <nanotube> macman_: ye just switched to xfce myself after giving up on unity. it rocks. :)
[21:11] <nanotube> macman_: in menu, i see accessories -> search for files
[21:12] <macman_> not on mine!
[21:12] <macman_> 11.10 vbox
[21:13] <Sysi> catfish
[21:13] <macman_> also +1 for automatic guest tools installtion
[21:13] <macman_> is that standard on all buntu distros now?
[21:14] <Sysi> jockey should be on all official derivatives at least
[21:14] <macman_> i didn't see that on kubuntu for instance, via additional drivers
[21:14] <mongy> vbox additions are available via jockey
[21:14] <macman_> ok, thanks mongy, I didn't know what the mechanism was called
[21:14] <mongy> macman_, are you saying it has the additions loaded already?
[21:15] <macman_> well it comes up with a prompt via additional drivers
[21:15] <mongy> macman_, tbh, Ive found the ose additions (in jockey) to work better than the ones I install manually in the latest vbox version
[21:15] <macman_> asking me that this additional driver is available
[21:15] <mongy> macman_, ah, ok.
[21:16] <macman_> however, first time i seen that on a distro
[21:16] <macman_> better than having to mount guest additions in vbox
[21:17] <mongy> I've seen it on ubuntu before
[21:17] <macman_> kubuntu was hell in vbox
[21:17] <macman_> i use kde now via xubuntu, works better than plasma desktop thats for sure
[21:17] <mongy> yeah, I wasn't impressed
[21:18] <macman_> i mainly wanted to have amarok running, what a memory hog!!
[21:18] <macman_> tho
[21:18] <macman_> it has loads of cool extra plugins for radio and stuff
[21:18] <mongy> can have the apps without the whole desktop
[21:18] <Sysi> but amarok is still memory hog :P
[21:19] <mongy> heh
[21:19] <Sysi> rhythmbox and banshee should have nice plugins too
[21:19] <macman_> heck, it works for the time being :-) after several reboots
[21:19] <mongy> I prefer my music minimal like audacious.  I have radiotray for that part
[21:19] <macman_> i think vbox needs several to get it working properly
[21:20] <douglas> It seems I have 'grub-pc' on this computer.  Although it doesn't seem to show on any of  the Applications' menus, nor does entering 'grub-pc' at the command line appear to do anything.
[21:20] <macman_> it hard crashed at one point after producing no sound!!
[21:20] <Sysi> douglas: because it's bootloader, not really application
[21:20] <macman_> however, after restarting its all working fine now!
[21:21] <douglas> Sysi: so how do I put it on the stick as per mongy?
[21:22] <mongy> douglas, format it fat32
[21:22] <mongy> sudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/where_its_mounted /dev/sdx (x = your usb device)
[21:22] <mongy> let me know when that's done
[21:22] <douglas> mongy:  it has been formatted as fat32
[21:24] <raevol> hi guys, indicator-messages is not working for me with pidgin, any ideas on how to get the indicator to even show up? the indicator-messages package is installed, but not showing next to the sound indicator on my panel
[21:25] <Sysi> add it to your panel and maybe log out and back in
[21:25] <Sysi> indicator-plugin to your panel that is
[21:26] <raevol> Sysi: i have indicator-plugin on my panel already, i see the volume indicator there
[21:30] <raevol> Sysi: http://imgur.com/B2hZQ
[21:32] <Sysi> so, relogin (if you made sure that's not pulseaudio on notification area)
[21:32] <raevol> Sysi: i have relogged already
[21:33] <Sysi> I guess you also should check pidgin settings
[21:34] <Sysi> that wallpaper looks nice, link to just it?
[21:35] <Sysi> ..I guess it's possible that indicator-plugin doesn't work on vertical panel, try turning it horizontally for a quick check
[21:35] <raevol> http://stamga.deviantart.com/art/Beautiful-Dream-180306392 is the wallpaper, but for some reason i have a version without the text on it...
[21:36] <raevol> not showing up when horizontal either :/
[21:37] <aledoni> can someone help me figure out why i cant spin the hard disk down?
[21:37] <aledoni> everytime i enable it, it is unchecked when i look again
[21:39] <holstein> maybe the hardware doesnt support it?
[21:39] <holstein> i wouldnt worry much about what checkboxes say anyways...
[21:40] <holstein> see if http://info4admins.com/tips-to-spindown-your-hard-disk-in-debian-or-ubuntu/ is relevant to you
[21:40] <raevol> Sysi: i switched my theme off of greybird and i am now seeing the message indicator, the the meny ut pops up is the session menu...
[21:41] <raevol> let me relog
[21:42] <Sysi> holstein: guide that tells you to turn off syslog in the first step doesn't look very good (for a beginner)
[21:43] <Sysi> (xfce4-power-manager checkbox should be working trustworthy trough upower)
[21:44] <holstein> Sysi: cool.. so, when the checkbox fails.. for when/if aledoni returns
[21:45] <Sysi> I found out that my desktop HDDs didn't work with hdparm and on laptop linux should handle it even without xfce (not 100% sure)
[21:49] <raevol> k i removed the session indicator, and now the envelope is gone again
[21:50] <raevol> when i add the indicator-plugin to the panel, i notice that the envelope shows up for an instant, and then disappears again
[21:52] <raevol> blerg, relogging again
[21:52] <Marzata> what is wrong with the envelope?
[21:55] <raevol> screw it, i just removed the whole indicator thing
[21:56] <Sysi> Marzata: it disappears from raevol's panel
[21:56] <raevol> now to fix the xubuntu icon theme so the large pidgin icons aren't busted
[22:00]  * Marzata uses Faenza 
[22:04] <raevol> Marzata: faneza isn't packaged, is it?
[22:05] <raevol> ah it's in a ppa
[22:07]  * mongy uses Faenza Dark
[22:10] <raevol> faenza doesn't fix the notification area
[22:11] <mongy> how is it broke?
[22:16] <mongy> #ubuntu is having a hard time of it with spammers
[22:17] <raevol> it used to be that when you got a new message, the icon in the notification area would change to show that
[22:17] <raevol> now it's always the same icon
[22:18] <raevol> it also used to indicate your status and such
[22:18] <RokcStar> hey
[22:18] <RokcStar> what is happening to the ubuntu channel
[22:18] <Sysi> #xubuntu-offtopic will you
[22:18] <RokcStar> i am seeing flod bot something
[22:19] <mongy> sorry
[22:20] <jjgalvez__> new to xubuntu, I am trying to turn on multitouch on my dell laptop and can't figure out how to do it. any help would be appreciated
[22:21] <Sysi> jjgalvez__: two finger scroll?
[22:21] <jjgalvez__> yes thats what I am looking for
[22:22] <Sysi> jjgalvez__: try running "synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1" without quotes in terminal
[22:24] <Sysi> if that works I tell how to make it work after next logout too
[22:24] <jjgalvez__> nope nothing, under mouse it says that my touchpad is an alps if that makes any difference
[22:28] <nanotube> jjgalvez__: there are driver issues with the alps touchpads...
[22:28] <nanotube> i've got a new inspiron with an alps, can't even turn off tap-click or anything.
[22:28] <jjgalvez__> nanotube: bummer :(
[22:29] <nanotube> google up the launchpad bug report
[22:29] <nanotube> there are some workarounds and patches posted
[22:29] <nanotube> if you're up for tinkering
[22:29] <jjgalvez__> nanotube: thanks will give that a try
[22:29] <nanotube> since i use an external usb mouse, i don't much care so i didn't play
[22:34] <Marzata> got two trackpoints?
[22:47] <jjgalvez__> I like libreoffice rather than the abiword, is there a simple way to reset all the appropriate mime types to use libreoffice rather than abiwork or gnumeric?
[22:48] <Sysi> remove abiword/gnumeric
[22:48] <jjgalvez__> demigod
[22:49] <jjgalvez__> Sysi: really is that all I need to do, cool
[22:58] <mongy> sometimes we forget simple things