=== Bunie_ is now known as Bunie [00:05] Hey guys :D [00:05] my lubuntu wont hibernate? [00:05] i click hibernate but when i power back on it just restarts as normal [00:05] Bunie; how much swap did you allocate? [00:05] MrChrisDruif: I let it handle itself :S [00:06] how do i check [00:06] (P.S. I've yet to make a machine properly hibernate with Ubuntu) [00:06] You've got that disk utility right? [00:06] * MrChrisDruif not on Lubuntu atm [00:06] MrChrisDruif: i've always had my machines properly hiberate. :P [00:07] Ah =/ Hibernation is a LITTLE important to me, but lubuntu boots pretty fast so its not that impoortant i guess [00:07] gparted, you mean? [00:07] Well then jrgifford, I'll let you do the talking then ^_^ [00:07] Bunie: run 'cat /proc/swaps' [00:07] MrChrisDruif: it's always worked out of the box for me, never had to mess with it. :P [00:07] Shows one partition [00:07] how big? [00:08] It USED to work back at Ubuntu 9.10 or something like that [00:08] 3396604 [00:08] so 3.3GB [00:08] how much ram do you have? [00:08] used 0 :P lols [00:08] 4GB [00:08] I've got 5858300 [00:08] ahh [00:08] i see lols [00:08] (Might as well try to get it working on my machine as well ^_^ ) [00:09] if i can use gparted to increase the size of swap past my ram, it should work? [00:09] I've also got 4GB [00:09] don't try to increase the SWAP size while you're running lubuntu [00:09] jrgifford: Can i unmount swap and do it? [00:09] Bunie; You'd have to use the LiveCD or LiveUSB to decrease your / partition [00:09] or should i use a liveusb [00:09] kays [00:10] Assuming that you've used your entire drive ^_^ [00:10] rule of thumb for swap space is to have 2X your ram. [00:10] so because i have 4GB of ram, i have a 8GB swap partition. [00:10] well thatd be nice [00:10] but im gonna go for 1.5 [00:10] due to like [00:10] my hdd only being 20GB or somethin [00:10] jrgifford; I've got 5858300 of swap and 4GB of RAM [00:10] fair enough in that case. [00:11] besides, thats only important if you ever end up utilizing ur swap [00:11] *Should* about 1,5 right? [00:11] MrChrisDruif: that's not bad. you have more swap than ram - that's what really really really really matters. [00:11] i've got enough ram that i doubt ill ever need it [00:11] by 1.5 i ment 1.5x my ram, like 6GB [00:11] yeah, 1.5x your ram is fine. [00:11] Same here Bunie , but still I'd like a working hibernation ^_^ [00:11] i think you only need more when ur using swap + hybernation [00:12] with 4GB of ram i doubt ull use any swap using lubuntu Lols [00:12] but i dunno ;D im new here [00:12] depends what you do i guess. [00:12] i rarely use any swap with my normal ubuntu. [00:13] With about 30 tabs in chromium I'm using 0.3% of swap atm [00:14] Chromium has always been a ram hog for me D; [00:14] ppl say FFox hogs ram but [00:14] Chromium runs like 20 processes for 2 tabs lolol [00:14] i'm using 12MB of my 8GB of swap, but then again i'm not compiling anything atm. i normally am compiling a few things, running a web server or two, or something like that. [00:15] mkay so [00:15] it says [00:16] 34GB ext4, 3.24GB extended [00:16] with a branch under it that says 3.24GB Unknown [00:16] with a red "!" [00:17] can you take a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com? what you're describing isn't making much sense. [00:17] quickest way to do that? [00:17] im an l/ubuntu/linux noob [00:17] cant print screen and paste in paint D; Lols [00:17] print screen button [00:17] and it'll ask you to save it somewhere [00:17] do that, and then upload to imgur. :) [00:18] and if it doesnt ask? [00:18] im running the live disk, btw. [00:18] it'll ask. [00:18] its not >> [00:18] odd... [00:18] ohhh [00:18] its auto saving [00:19] to home/ubuntu [00:19] oohhh... forgot it did that. [00:20] So i can copy and paste the link :P [00:20] yup. [00:20] http://postimage.org/image/d5r4l4kdt/ [00:21] what happens if you roll your mouse over the red ! ? [00:21] nothin [00:21] right click and going to information [00:21] say sstuff [00:21] "unable to detect file system" [00:22] ohh.... thats normal, since it's swap space which isn't a normal file system [00:22] :P [00:22] ks [00:22] But then [00:22] how do i enlarge a FS [00:22] that it doesnt know about? [00:22] you need to shrink /dev/sda1 [00:22] and then enlarge /dev/sda2, and then enlarge /dev/sda5 [00:23] but before you do anything make sure you have a backup [00:23] im only like an hour into my install [00:23] i wont lose much [00:24] then it's "ok" then. [00:24] jrgifford; lubuntu != ubuntu. Lubuntu uses scrot which auto-saves to ~/ [00:25] should i shrink it on the left side or the right? [00:25] On what side it the other? [00:26] the screenshot i sent shows a square on the right side of my main partition [00:26] Shrink it on that side, otherwise you also need to move it [00:26] but shows some "yellowish" area on the left? [00:26] * MrChrisDruif looking [00:26] maybe the yellowish is showing how much ive used? [00:26] Yup [00:27] And besides, on the right side is already sda2 && sda5 [00:27] "Moving a partition might cause your operating system to fail to boot"? [00:27] Are you moving it? [00:28] I only said resizing on the right ;-) [00:28] yeh thats what i tried to resize [00:28] but the right partition has to be moved left [00:28] or streached left* [00:28] and then i've got another problem [00:28] Ah, it'll shrink and then move to the left I think? [00:28] jrgifford; ^ [00:29] i need jrgifford to come back lols [00:29] sorry. [00:29] was grabbing some more tea really quick. [00:29] Keep your head with it jrgifford ^_^ [00:29] im gonna upload you another image just because im lost. [00:29] it wont let me increase the size of the unknown partition [00:29] Bunie-Lubuntu; because it's nested inside the extended partition [00:30] Did you try enlarging it first? [00:30] i think you can't do it that way [00:30] http://postimage.org/image/5hslnv0i3/ [00:30] wait [00:30] nvm yeh [00:31] Bunie; why don't you just delete the unknown partition? [00:31] Bunie: right-click /dev/sda5 [00:31] MrChrisDruif: that causes problems with lubuntus swap setup [00:31] might make him unable to boot. [00:31] right click it and do what? [00:31] right click and select resize/move [00:31] it's grey'd out [00:32] wich makes since to me, it cant manage an unknown filesystem can it? [00:32] Sense* [00:32] jrgifford; doesn't the boot sequence look for swap every boot? [00:33] MrChrisDruif: not sure... let me look really quick. [00:33] As long as a partition is marked as swap it'll act like it I think [00:33] so yeh what if i delete extended and create one big linux-swap? [00:34] Bunie: yes. [00:34] the fact that its "unknown" might be why hibernations not working, and why i was uisng 0MB of swap [00:34] it's safe to do that. [00:34] * MrChrisDruif thinks so [00:34] according to the swapFAQ. - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_more_swap.3F [00:34] the OS may not be using it at all [00:34] so just erase SDA5 [00:34] and create a linux-swap partition? [00:34] yes. [00:36] jrgifford; maybe also delete sd2? At least the extended part? [00:36] Just a normal partition.. [00:36] yeh i could use a real partition [00:36] then again, not sure it would make any difference? [00:36] yeah, since you don't really need the logical partition... [00:36] i guess i can do that D; [00:37] there [00:37] i did the math to make my ext4 partition exactly 32GB, the rest went to swap :D [00:38] now lets hope it boots D; [00:38] Bunie: apply those changes first. [00:38] i did [00:38] ok, good. :) [00:38] i hate how live disks need to "unload" on shutdown [00:38] when theyre read only, why not just power off Lols [00:39] well, they aren't always read only [00:39] sometimes they are USB sticks, and those aren't always read only. [00:39] yeah i know [00:39] i've used a persistant usb before, pretty amazing stuff. [00:40] Kay so [00:40] how to test swap? :P [00:40] hibernate it. then you'll know for sure. [00:40] nope [00:40] lol [00:40] no hibernate option [00:41] look at the "Making the SWAP partition work for hibernate" section here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_more_swap.3F [00:41] wait i figured something out i think [00:41] hibernates back [00:42] oh cool! [00:42] went into gparted, right clicked it, and selected "swapon" [00:42] rebooting, lets see if it works! :D [00:42] doesnt look like it so far >< [00:43] nope [00:43] and sda2 once again says "unknown" now. [00:43] no longer linux-swap [00:43] APARENTLY, latest lubuntu broke hibernation [00:43] and attempting to, destroys swap partition? [00:44] i'm now way out of my depth with this. :( [00:44] dunno. my guess is lubuntu hibernation is broken [00:45] Would care to report it on launchpad? [00:45] Whats a launch pad? D; [00:46] A launchpad page is where projects are managed [00:47] It's not automatically mounting my new swap partition ._. [00:47] https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop [00:48] I could be wrong, im a linux noobie :P [00:48] i think ill wait on reporting a bug [00:48] tho, hibernation causing a linux-swap partition to become "unknown" is pretty buggy. hm D; [00:50] If you'd like to report it, the team would be very thankful [00:50] Oh! oh! One thing that does bother me slightly [00:51] the clock says 19:50, i want it to use AM/PM instead? [00:51] RMB doesn't do it? [00:51] Right Mouse Button* [00:52] it lets me go to digital clock settings [00:52] where it says format %r [00:53] ohh [00:53] i figured it out [00:53] :D [00:53] yey [00:58] Cool [00:58] Sorry, got a bit distracted [01:00] also it looks like it was encrypting my swap or somethin [01:01] i've got the swap file to mount on boot :3 [01:02] testing hibernation [01:02] nope ._. dont think it worked [01:03] nope, but swap isnt broken :3 progress! [01:03] yay for progress! [01:05] kay [01:05] grub_cmdline_linux=" " [01:05] >:3 [01:05] im gonna break it i know it D; Lols [01:09] btw, great logon-screen for lightdm :) [01:10] The LXDM? [01:10] lightdm on 12.04 [01:10] dont know if it is also for lxdm on 11.10 [01:10] Ah, lightdm on 12.04 [01:11] Didn't know or remember you ran 12.04 [01:11] time to see if i broked it :3 [01:11] 11.10 is not fun for hunting bugs, there are not enough of them :) [01:11] iceroot: hibernation. k go. [01:11] :P [01:12] hibernation is always the hell on GNU/Linux [01:12] iceroot; +1 [01:13] long ago i gave up on that topic [01:13] moment of truths [01:13] did i get it working?! :3 [01:13] yesh! [01:13] i has hibernation and you don't, MrChrisDruif! -does a jig- [01:13] ♥ [01:14] =( [01:14] i did it in like, 5 minutes, and im a windows nub :3 you should give it a shot [01:14] * MrChrisDruif hasn't tried hibernate in a while, not even after changing the swap size ^_^ [01:14] Bunie: depending very strong on the hardware [01:14] i went in and changed grub and did something with initram or something, something i read on a swapfaq page [01:14] trust me, hibneration is even more hell then owning apple-products [01:15] iceroot: But the "bug" wasnt hibneration not working, per-say [01:15] it was attempting to hibernate corrupted the swap partition [01:15] ah ok [01:15] was gonna report it but id have to make an acc, etc, meh. :P [01:16] Bunie: please always reports bugs [01:16] !bug | Bunie [01:16] Bunie: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [01:16] Bunie: so the next person will hopefully not run in that issue [01:16] but yeh if you install lubuntu 11.10 and try to hibernate, your linux-swap partition says "Unknown" [01:16] Bugs Bunie ^_^ Sounds like Bugs Bunny =P [01:17] :P [01:17] Bunie: i would suggest you setup an account on launchpad, create a bug, descripe the issue and the workaround [01:17] only with something like that it is possible to make ubuntu better [01:23] no idea how to report a bug, im on the launchpad pasge [01:24] Bunie: open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug lxde" [01:24] Bunie: also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs [01:38] Im having a problem that i didnt have with Ubuntu [01:38] Accessing windows networks [01:39] in ubuntu, it required me to know my user password even though the directories didnt require passwords, but it worked [01:39] Lubuntu i cant access them at all =/ [01:42] lol installing an i386 package on x64 =/ [01:43] just stops mid install [01:43] oh wells [01:43] Bunie: i install i386 packages on my 64 all the time. . . [01:44] whats the error? [01:44] o error [01:44] Processing triggersd for man-db ... [01:44] then stops [01:44] as in it pauses? [01:44] no [01:44] as i in i can type again [01:44] etc. [01:44] sounds like it's done then. [01:45] You'd think that, but its no where to be found =/ [01:45] that or im fckn blind [01:45] nvm :3 [01:45] try installing it again, it should tell you if it's complete or not [01:47] how well does firefox run on wine in comparison to the native linux one? [01:48] also how do i get a diff cursor? This feels like my apple notebook from the 90's [01:59] nobody can help me access Windows networks? [02:01] samba? [02:01] !samba [02:01] Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [02:01] it works in Ubuntu [02:01] but not Lubuntu [02:02] * MrChrisDruif can't test, haven't got any Windows at all [02:02] ..in my network [02:02] i tried ubuntu last night [02:02] could easily access my window pc's shared files [02:03] !samba | Bunie [02:03] Bunie: Samba is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT. [02:04] wait im having some luck with it now =o [02:06] X:\gams [02:08] oops [02:08] ment to type that elsewhere [02:08] D; [02:15] how do i create a shortcut to my Home on my desktop? [02:15] and how would i make what windows refers to as Batch files? [02:15] Lxshortcut I think.. [02:16] also just out of curiosity, what happens if i use the package manager to say, install Gnome? [02:17] Bunie; Here's our FAQ area. I hope you'll find answers there as I'm off to bed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ [02:18] Sleep tight :3 [02:18] Well, it'll install Gnome ^_^ [02:18] will i be able to use it? [02:18] or select it from the login screen? [02:18] And at log in you'll be able to choose which session you'd like to run [02:18] that sounds neat~ [02:19] i may check it out for fun. learning experience and what-not [02:19] have a good night :3 [02:19] You too [02:19] Darn, nearly 700MB of space XD [02:19] Bunie; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop [02:20] Thanks, your a nice guy :3 [02:20] But you'll need to toy with that, as it's only about apps [02:20] You'd probably need to have some terminal command to start the app with the proper settings [02:21] OH ONE QUIC KEASY QUESTION [02:21] ive seen some commands have "&" at the end [02:21] why? :p [02:22] It should let them run in their own process, aka let them run without making your Terminal unusable [02:22] oh, epic. [02:22] This general "Gnome" package [02:22] its not unity right? [02:22] XD [02:22] I heard you can close the terminal with Ctrl+D without killing the process [02:22] thanks for the info [02:22] sorry for keeping you :3 [02:23] Well, Gnome != Unity, but Unity == Gnome [02:23] well yeh :P [02:23] but im not gonna log into gnome [02:23] and see unity [02:23] right? [02:23] But you mean the gnome package I think? [02:23] yeh [02:23] just "Gnome" is all i selected to install [02:23] Where? [02:23] synaptic package manager [02:24] * MrChrisDruif usually installs with terminal ^_^ [02:24] same thing yes? [02:24] dont they come from the same repos? [02:24] like, package manager uses apt-get? [02:24] idk :P so much to learn [02:24] i feel kinda dumb [02:24] Yes, but with the terminal you'll get the specific technical name ^_^ [02:24] going with Lubuntu [02:25] and then installing gnome [02:25] lxdm? gdm? [02:25] oh [02:25] gnome and lx [02:25] i get it ;D nvm [02:25] OH [02:25] these packages [02:25] they delete after install, right? [02:26] i dont have 5000 packages idle on my hdd? [02:26] lxdm and gdm are the Desktop Managers of LXDE && Gnome respectively [02:26] Btw, LightDM is very nice to the eyes ^_^ [02:26] And does practically the same [02:26] whats LightDM? [02:27] something i can install? [02:27] Yup [02:27] ill check it out after gnome is done taking up 1GB of my space for nothin :P [02:27] Btw, which Gnome do you want to try? The new and improved Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell or the old Gnome2? [02:27] i always like new [02:27] :P [02:28] how well will these multiple dm things work with each other? [02:28] like if i have stuff on my lx desktop, will it be on my gdm desktop? [02:28] You only use one [02:28] they all use /home so.. theyll all have the same stuff yes? [02:28] Yup, it's just a different session [02:29] what about CTRL+ALT+F1 [02:29] etc. [02:29] how do i start x on those? [02:29] i thought it was "start x" [02:29] but aparently it isnt [02:29] or can X only run once? [02:29] So for instance: if you have Chromium set up to open the same tabs as when you close, you'll get the same on either session [02:30] Does are the tty's [02:30] I'm not sure what they do [02:30] they allow you to log onto multiple users and stuff [02:30] I don't know [02:30] I only got one user on this computer && network [02:31] ^_^ [02:31] Bunie: you can run multiple instances of X [02:31] its neat tho, its like you can run multiple pc's at once almost :P [02:31] lols [02:31] Bunie: normally used on a setup with 2 monitors where each monitor is running an own instance of x [02:32] Btw, to view what options you've got with that lxshortcut (or other terminal command) use the -h or --help option [02:32] Anyhow Bunie [02:32] "startx -- :1" [02:32] I'll be back tomorrow and maybe iceroot can help you a bit further [02:33] :p lols iceroot? help the likes of me? Psh [02:33] Lols anyway gnite :D [02:37] running X Multiple times doesnt work right. i wish it did, that'd be awesome :3 pointless, but awesome. [02:52] What is OpenBox? [04:16] Hi guys :D [06:08] Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" <- i see this a lot. specific case is making a gnuplot plot. happy 2012! === Alcine is now known as jackyalcine === jackyalcine is now known as jalcine [10:16] need some help from a lubuntu-package-maintainer, would be great if someone can contact me. topic is the buildprocess of the latest lxde packages from the git-repo as a debian-package [10:19] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468291&group_id=180858&atid=894869 and http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468292&group_id=180858&atid=894869 specially the second bug i cant fix and wanted to know if this method/git-repo is the correct one [10:21] or maybe there is a another way to have the latest version on ubuntu without compiling it with make, so i still have a clean system, managed by dpkg [11:45]