[00:05] <Bunie> Hey guys :D
[00:05] <Bunie> my lubuntu wont hibernate?
[00:05] <Bunie> i click hibernate but when i power back on it just restarts as normal
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie; how much swap did you allocate?
[00:05] <Bunie> MrChrisDruif: I let it handle itself :S
[00:06] <Bunie> how do i check
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> (P.S. I've yet to make a machine properly hibernate with Ubuntu)
[00:06] <MrChrisDruif> You've got that disk utility right?
[00:06]  * MrChrisDruif not on Lubuntu atm
[00:06] <jrgifford> MrChrisDruif: i've always had my machines properly hiberate. :P
[00:07] <Bunie> Ah =/ Hibernation is a LITTLE important to me, but lubuntu boots pretty fast so its not that impoortant i guess
[00:07] <Bunie> gparted, you mean?
[00:07] <MrChrisDruif> Well then jrgifford, I'll let you do the talking then ^_^
[00:07] <jrgifford> Bunie: run 'cat /proc/swaps'
[00:07] <jrgifford> MrChrisDruif: it's always worked out of the box for me, never had to mess with it. :P
[00:07] <Bunie> Shows one partition
[00:07] <jrgifford> how big?
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> It USED to work back at Ubuntu 9.10 or something like that
[00:08] <Bunie> 3396604
[00:08] <jrgifford> so 3.3GB
[00:08] <jrgifford> how much ram do you have?
[00:08] <Bunie> used 0 :P lols
[00:08] <Bunie> 4GB
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> I've got 5858300
[00:08] <Bunie> ahh
[00:08] <Bunie> i see lols
[00:08] <MrChrisDruif> (Might as well try to get it working on my machine as well ^_^ )
[00:09] <Bunie> if i can use gparted to increase the size of swap past my ram, it should work?
[00:09] <MrChrisDruif> I've also got 4GB
[00:09] <jrgifford> don't try to increase the SWAP size while you're running lubuntu
[00:09] <Bunie> jrgifford: Can i unmount swap and do it?
[00:09] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie; You'd have to use the LiveCD or LiveUSB to decrease your / partition
[00:09] <Bunie> or should i use a  liveusb
[00:09] <Bunie> kays
[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> Assuming that you've used your entire drive ^_^
[00:10] <jrgifford> rule of thumb for swap space is to have 2X your ram.
[00:10] <jrgifford> so because i have 4GB of ram, i have a 8GB swap partition.
[00:10] <Bunie> well thatd be nice
[00:10] <Bunie> but im gonna go for 1.5
[00:10] <Bunie> due to like
[00:10] <Bunie> my hdd only being 20GB or somethin
[00:10] <MrChrisDruif> jrgifford; I've got 5858300 of swap and 4GB of RAM
[00:10] <jrgifford> fair enough in that case.
[00:11] <Bunie> besides, thats only important if you ever end up utilizing ur swap
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> *Should* about 1,5 right?
[00:11] <jrgifford> MrChrisDruif: that's not bad. you have more swap than ram - that's what really really really really matters.
[00:11] <Bunie> i've got enough ram that i doubt ill ever need it
[00:11] <Bunie> by 1.5 i ment 1.5x my ram, like 6GB
[00:11] <jrgifford> yeah, 1.5x your ram is fine.
[00:11] <MrChrisDruif> Same here Bunie , but still I'd like a working hibernation ^_^
[00:11] <Bunie> i think you only need more when ur using swap + hybernation
[00:12] <Bunie> with 4GB of ram i doubt ull use any swap using lubuntu Lols
[00:12] <Bunie> but i dunno ;D im new here
[00:12] <Bunie> depends what you do i guess.
[00:12] <jrgifford> i rarely use any swap with my normal ubuntu.
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> With about 30 tabs in chromium I'm using 0.3% of swap atm
[00:14] <Bunie> Chromium has always been a ram hog for me D;
[00:14] <Bunie> ppl say FFox hogs ram but
[00:14] <Bunie> Chromium runs like 20 processes for 2 tabs lolol
[00:14] <jrgifford> i'm using 12MB of my 8GB of swap, but then again i'm not compiling anything atm. i normally am compiling a few things, running a web server or two, or something like that.
[00:15] <Bunie> mkay so
[00:15] <Bunie> it says
[00:16] <Bunie> 34GB ext4, 3.24GB extended
[00:16] <Bunie> with a branch under it that says 3.24GB Unknown
[00:16] <Bunie> with a red "!"
[00:17] <jrgifford> can you take a screenshot and upload it to imgur.com? what you're describing isn't making much sense.
[00:17] <Bunie> quickest way to do that?
[00:17] <Bunie> im an l/ubuntu/linux noob
[00:17] <Bunie> cant print screen and paste in paint D; Lols
[00:17] <jrgifford> print screen button
[00:17] <jrgifford> and it'll ask you to save it somewhere
[00:17] <jrgifford> do that, and then upload to imgur. :)
[00:18] <Bunie> and if it doesnt ask?
[00:18] <Bunie> im running the live disk, btw.
[00:18] <jrgifford> it'll ask.
[00:18] <Bunie> its not >>
[00:18] <jrgifford> odd...
[00:18] <Bunie> ohhh
[00:18] <Bunie> its auto saving
[00:19] <Bunie> to  home/ubuntu
[00:19] <jrgifford> oohhh... forgot it did that.
[00:20] <Bunie-Lubuntu> So i can copy and paste the link :P
[00:20] <jrgifford> yup.
[00:20] <Bunie-Lubuntu> http://postimage.org/image/d5r4l4kdt/
[00:21] <jrgifford> what happens if you roll your mouse over the red ! ?
[00:21] <Bunie> nothin
[00:21] <Bunie> right click and going to information
[00:21] <Bunie> say sstuff
[00:21] <Bunie> "unable to detect file system"
[00:22] <jrgifford> ohh.... thats normal, since it's swap space which isn't a normal file system
[00:22] <Bunie> :P
[00:22] <Bunie> ks
[00:22] <Bunie> But then
[00:22] <Bunie> how do i enlarge a FS
[00:22] <Bunie> that it doesnt know about?
[00:22] <jrgifford> you need to shrink /dev/sda1
[00:22] <jrgifford> and then enlarge /dev/sda2, and then enlarge /dev/sda5
[00:23] <jrgifford> but before you do anything make sure you have a backup
[00:23] <Bunie> im only like an hour into my install
[00:23] <Bunie> i wont lose much
[00:24] <jrgifford> then it's "ok" then.
[00:24] <MrChrisDruif> jrgifford; lubuntu != ubuntu. Lubuntu uses scrot which auto-saves to ~/
[00:25] <Bunie> should i shrink it on the left side or the right?
[00:25] <MrChrisDruif> On what side it the other?
[00:26] <Bunie> the screenshot i sent shows a square on the right side of my main partition
[00:26] <MrChrisDruif> Shrink it on that side, otherwise you also need to move it
[00:26] <Bunie> but shows some "yellowish" area on the left?
[00:26]  * MrChrisDruif looking
[00:26] <Bunie> maybe the yellowish is showing how much ive used?
[00:26] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> And besides, on the right side is already sda2 && sda5
[00:27] <Bunie> "Moving a partition might cause your operating system to fail to boot"?
[00:27] <MrChrisDruif> Are you moving it?
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> I only said resizing on the right ;-)
[00:28] <Bunie> yeh thats what i tried to resize
[00:28] <Bunie> but the right partition has to be moved left
[00:28] <Bunie> or streached left*
[00:28] <Bunie> and then i've got another problem
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, it'll shrink and then move to the left I think?
[00:28] <MrChrisDruif> jrgifford; ^
[00:29] <Bunie> i need jrgifford to come back lols
[00:29] <jrgifford> sorry.
[00:29] <jrgifford> was grabbing some more tea really quick.
[00:29] <MrChrisDruif> Keep your head with it jrgifford ^_^
[00:29] <Bunie-Lubuntu> im gonna upload you another image just because im lost.
[00:29] <Bunie-Lubuntu> it wont let me increase the size of the unknown partition
[00:29] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie-Lubuntu; because it's nested inside the extended partition
[00:30] <MrChrisDruif> Did you try enlarging it first?
[00:30] <jrgifford> i think you can't do it that way
[00:30] <Bunie-Lubuntu> http://postimage.org/image/5hslnv0i3/
[00:30] <Bunie> wait
[00:30] <Bunie> nvm yeh
[00:31] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie; why don't you just delete the unknown partition?
[00:31] <jrgifford> Bunie: right-click /dev/sda5
[00:31] <jrgifford> MrChrisDruif: that causes problems with lubuntus swap setup
[00:31] <jrgifford> might make him unable to boot.
[00:31] <Bunie> right click it and do what?
[00:31] <jrgifford> right click and select resize/move
[00:31] <Bunie> it's grey'd out
[00:32] <Bunie> wich makes since to me, it cant manage an unknown filesystem can it?
[00:32] <Bunie> Sense*
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> jrgifford; doesn't the boot sequence look for swap every boot?
[00:33] <jrgifford> MrChrisDruif: not sure... let me look really quick.
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> As long as a partition is marked as swap it'll act like it I think
[00:33] <Bunie> so yeh what if i delete extended and create one big linux-swap?
[00:34] <jrgifford> Bunie: yes.
[00:34] <Bunie> the fact that its "unknown" might be why hibernations not working, and why i was uisng 0MB of swap
[00:34] <jrgifford> it's safe to do that.
[00:34]  * MrChrisDruif thinks so
[00:34] <jrgifford> according to the swapFAQ. - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_more_swap.3F
[00:34] <Bunie> the OS may not be using it at all
[00:34] <Bunie> so just erase SDA5
[00:34] <Bunie> and create a linux-swap partition?
[00:34] <jrgifford> yes.
[00:36] <MrChrisDruif> jrgifford; maybe also delete sd2? At least the extended part?
[00:36] <MrChrisDruif> Just a normal partition..
[00:36] <Bunie> yeh i could use a real partition
[00:36] <Bunie> then again, not sure it would make any difference?
[00:36] <jrgifford> yeah, since you don't really need the logical partition...
[00:36] <Bunie> i guess i can do that D;
[00:37] <Bunie> there
[00:37] <Bunie> i did the math to make my ext4 partition exactly 32GB, the rest went to swap :D
[00:38] <Bunie> now lets hope it boots D;
[00:38] <jrgifford> Bunie: apply those changes first.
[00:38] <Bunie> i did
[00:38] <jrgifford> ok, good. :)
[00:38] <Bunie> i hate how live disks need to "unload" on shutdown
[00:38] <Bunie> when theyre read only, why not just power off Lols
[00:39] <jrgifford> well, they aren't always read only
[00:39] <jrgifford> sometimes they are USB sticks, and those aren't always read only.
[00:39] <Bunie> yeah i know
[00:39] <Bunie> i've used a persistant usb before, pretty amazing stuff.
[00:40] <Bunie> Kay so
[00:40] <Bunie> how to test swap? :P
[00:40] <jrgifford> hibernate it. then you'll know for sure.
[00:40] <Bunie> nope
[00:40] <Bunie> lol
[00:40] <Bunie> no hibernate option
[00:41] <jrgifford> look at the "Making the SWAP partition work for hibernate" section here - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_do_I_add_more_swap.3F
[00:41] <Bunie> wait i figured something out i think
[00:41] <Bunie> hibernates back
[00:42] <jrgifford> oh cool!
[00:42] <Bunie> went into gparted, right clicked it, and selected "swapon"
[00:42] <Bunie> rebooting, lets see if it works! :D
[00:42] <Bunie> doesnt look like it so far ><
[00:43] <Bunie> nope
[00:43] <Bunie> and sda2 once again says "unknown" now.
[00:43] <Bunie> no longer linux-swap
[00:43] <Bunie> APARENTLY, latest lubuntu broke hibernation
[00:43] <Bunie> and attempting to, destroys swap partition?
[00:44] <jrgifford> i'm now way out of my depth with this. :(
[00:44] <Bunie> dunno. my guess is lubuntu hibernation is broken
[00:45] <MrChrisDruif> Would care to report it on launchpad?
[00:45] <Bunie> Whats a launch pad? D;
[00:46] <MrChrisDruif> A launchpad page is where projects are managed
[00:47] <Bunie> It's not automatically mounting my new swap partition ._.
[00:47] <MrChrisDruif> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
[00:48] <Bunie> I could be wrong, im a linux noobie :P
[00:48] <Bunie> i think ill wait on reporting a bug
[00:48] <Bunie> tho, hibernation causing a linux-swap partition to become "unknown" is pretty buggy. hm D;
[00:50] <MrChrisDruif> If you'd like to report it, the team would be very thankful
[00:50] <Bunie> Oh! oh! One thing that does bother me slightly
[00:51] <Bunie> the clock says 19:50, i want it to use AM/PM instead?
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> RMB doesn't do it?
[00:51] <MrChrisDruif> Right Mouse Button*
[00:52] <Bunie> it lets me go to digital clock settings
[00:52] <Bunie> where it says format %r
[00:53] <Bunie> ohh
[00:53] <Bunie> i figured it out
[00:53] <Bunie> :D
[00:53] <Bunie> yey
[00:58] <MrChrisDruif> Cool
[00:58] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, got a bit distracted
[01:00] <Bunie> also it looks like it was encrypting my swap or somethin
[01:01] <Bunie> i've got the swap file to mount on boot :3
[01:02] <Bunie> testing hibernation
[01:02] <Bunie> nope ._.  dont think it worked
[01:03] <Bunie> nope, but swap isnt broken :3 progress!
[01:03] <jrgifford> yay for progress!
[01:05] <Bunie> kay
[01:05] <Bunie> grub_cmdline_linux=" "
[01:05] <Bunie> >:3
[01:05] <Bunie> im gonna break it i know it D; Lols
[01:09] <iceroot> btw, great logon-screen for lightdm :)
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> The LXDM?
[01:10] <iceroot> lightdm on 12.04
[01:10] <iceroot> dont know if it is also for lxdm on 11.10
[01:10] <MrChrisDruif> Ah, lightdm on 12.04
[01:11] <MrChrisDruif> Didn't know or remember you ran 12.04
[01:11] <Bunie> time to see if i broked it :3
[01:11] <iceroot> 11.10 is not fun for hunting bugs, there are not enough of them :)
[01:11] <Bunie> iceroot: hibernation. k go.
[01:11] <Bunie> :P
[01:12] <iceroot> hibernation is always the hell on GNU/Linux
[01:12] <MrChrisDruif> iceroot; +1
[01:13] <iceroot> long ago i gave up on that topic
[01:13] <Bunie> moment of truths
[01:13] <Bunie> did i get it working?! :3
[01:13] <Bunie> yesh!
[01:13] <Bunie> i has hibernation and you don't, MrChrisDruif! -does a jig-
[01:13] <Bunie> ♥
[01:14] <MrChrisDruif> =(
[01:14] <Bunie> i did it in like, 5 minutes, and im a windows nub :3 you should give it a shot
[01:14]  * MrChrisDruif hasn't tried hibernate in a while, not even after changing the swap size ^_^
[01:14] <iceroot> Bunie: depending very strong on the hardware
[01:14] <Bunie> i went in and changed grub and did something with initram or something, something i read on a swapfaq page
[01:14] <iceroot> trust me, hibneration is even more hell then owning apple-products
[01:15] <Bunie> iceroot: But the "bug" wasnt hibneration not working, per-say
[01:15] <Bunie> it was attempting to hibernate corrupted the swap partition
[01:15] <iceroot> ah ok
[01:15] <Bunie> was gonna report it but id have to make an acc, etc, meh. :P
[01:16] <iceroot> Bunie: please always reports bugs
[01:16] <iceroot> !bug | Bunie
[01:16] <iceroot> Bunie: so the next person will hopefully not run in that issue
[01:16] <Bunie> but yeh if you install lubuntu 11.10 and try to hibernate, your linux-swap partition says "Unknown"
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> Bugs Bunie ^_^ Sounds like Bugs Bunny =P
[01:17] <Bunie> :P
[01:17] <iceroot> Bunie: i would suggest you setup an account on launchpad, create a bug, descripe the issue and the workaround
[01:17] <iceroot> only with something like that it is possible to make ubuntu better
[01:23] <Bunie> no idea how to report a bug, im on the launchpad pasge
[01:24] <iceroot> Bunie: open a terminal and type "ubuntu-bug lxde"
[01:24] <iceroot> Bunie: also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:38] <Bunie> Im having a problem that i didnt have with Ubuntu
[01:38] <Bunie> Accessing windows networks
[01:39] <Bunie> in ubuntu, it required me to know my user password even though the directories didnt require passwords, but it worked
[01:39] <Bunie> Lubuntu i cant access them at all =/
[01:42] <Bunie> lol installing an i386 package on x64 =/
[01:43] <Bunie> just stops mid install
[01:43] <Bunie> oh wells
[01:43] <jrgifford> Bunie: i install i386 packages on my 64 all the time. . .
[01:44] <jrgifford> whats the error?
[01:44] <Bunie> o error
[01:44] <Bunie> Processing triggersd for man-db ...
[01:44] <Bunie> then stops
[01:44] <jrgifford> as in it pauses?
[01:44] <Bunie> no
[01:44] <Bunie> as i in i can type again
[01:44] <Bunie> etc.
[01:44] <jrgifford> sounds like it's done then.
[01:45] <Bunie> You'd think that, but its no where to be found =/
[01:45] <Bunie> that or im fckn blind
[01:45] <Bunie> nvm :3
[01:45] <jrgifford> try installing it again, it should tell you if it's complete or not
[01:47] <Bunie> how well does firefox run on wine in comparison to the native linux one?
[01:48] <Bunie> also how do i get a diff cursor? This feels like my apple notebook from the 90's
[01:59] <Bunie> nobody can help me access Windows networks?
[02:01] <MrChrisDruif> samba?
[02:01] <MrChrisDruif> !samba
[02:01] <Bunie> it works in Ubuntu
[02:01] <Bunie> but not Lubuntu
[02:02]  * MrChrisDruif can't test, haven't got any Windows at all
[02:02] <MrChrisDruif> ..in my network
[02:02] <Bunie> i tried ubuntu last night
[02:02] <Bunie> could easily access my window pc's shared files
[02:03] <MrChrisDruif> !samba | Bunie
[02:04] <Bunie> wait im having some luck with it now =o
[02:06] <Bunie> X:\gams
[02:08] <Bunie> oops
[02:08] <Bunie> ment to type that elsewhere
[02:08] <Bunie> D;
[02:15] <Bunie> how do i create a shortcut to my Home on my desktop?
[02:15] <Bunie> and how would i make what windows refers to as Batch files?
[02:15] <MrChrisDruif> Lxshortcut I think..
[02:16] <Bunie> also just out of curiosity, what happens if i use the package manager to say, install Gnome?
[02:17] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie; Here's our FAQ area. I hope you'll find answers there as I'm off to bed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ
[02:18] <Bunie> Sleep tight :3
[02:18] <MrChrisDruif> Well, it'll install Gnome ^_^
[02:18] <Bunie> will i be able to use it?
[02:18] <Bunie> or select it from the login screen?
[02:18] <MrChrisDruif> And at log in you'll be able to choose which session you'd like to run
[02:18] <Bunie> that sounds neat~
[02:19] <Bunie> i may check it out for fun. learning experience and what-not
[02:19] <Bunie> have a good night :3
[02:19] <MrChrisDruif> You too
[02:19] <Bunie> Darn, nearly 700MB of space XD
[02:19] <MrChrisDruif> Bunie; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#How_can_I_create_a_shortcut_on_the_Desktop
[02:20] <Bunie> Thanks, your a nice guy :3
[02:20] <MrChrisDruif> But you'll need to toy with that, as it's only about apps
[02:20] <MrChrisDruif> You'd probably need to have some terminal command to start the app with the proper settings
[02:21] <Bunie> OH ONE QUIC KEASY QUESTION
[02:21] <Bunie> ive seen some commands have "&" at the end
[02:21] <Bunie> why? :p
[02:22] <MrChrisDruif> It should let them run in their own process, aka let them run without making your Terminal unusable
[02:22] <Bunie> oh, epic.
[02:22] <Bunie> This general "Gnome" package
[02:22] <Bunie> its not unity right?
[02:22] <Bunie> XD
[02:22] <MrChrisDruif> I heard you can close the terminal with Ctrl+D without killing the process
[02:22] <Bunie> thanks for the info
[02:22] <Bunie> sorry for keeping you :3
[02:23] <MrChrisDruif> Well, Gnome != Unity, but Unity == Gnome
[02:23] <Bunie> well yeh :P
[02:23] <Bunie> but im not gonna log into gnome
[02:23] <Bunie> and see unity
[02:23] <Bunie> right?
[02:23] <MrChrisDruif> But you mean the gnome package I think?
[02:23] <Bunie> yeh
[02:23] <Bunie> just "Gnome" is all i selected to install
[02:23] <MrChrisDruif> Where?
[02:23] <Bunie> synaptic package manager
[02:24]  * MrChrisDruif usually installs with terminal ^_^
[02:24] <Bunie> same thing yes?
[02:24] <Bunie> dont they come from the same repos?
[02:24] <Bunie> like, package manager uses apt-get?
[02:24] <Bunie> idk :P so much to learn
[02:24] <Bunie> i feel kinda dumb
[02:24] <MrChrisDruif> Yes, but with the terminal you'll get the specific technical name ^_^
[02:24] <Bunie> going with Lubuntu
[02:25] <Bunie> and then installing gnome
[02:25] <Bunie> lxdm? gdm?
[02:25] <Bunie> oh
[02:25] <Bunie> gnome and lx
[02:25] <Bunie> i get it ;D nvm
[02:25] <Bunie> OH
[02:25] <Bunie> these packages
[02:25] <Bunie> they delete after install, right?
[02:26] <Bunie> i dont have 5000 packages idle on my hdd?
[02:26] <MrChrisDruif> lxdm and gdm are the Desktop Managers of LXDE && Gnome respectively
[02:26] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, LightDM is very nice to the eyes ^_^
[02:26] <MrChrisDruif> And does practically the same
[02:26] <Bunie> whats LightDM?
[02:27] <Bunie> something i can install?
[02:27] <MrChrisDruif> Yup
[02:27] <Bunie> ill check it out after gnome is done taking up 1GB of my space for nothin :P
[02:27] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, which Gnome do you want to try? The new and improved Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell or the old Gnome2?
[02:27] <Bunie> i always like new
[02:27] <Bunie> :P
[02:28] <Bunie> how well will these multiple dm things work with each other?
[02:28] <Bunie> like if i have stuff on my lx desktop, will it be on my gdm desktop?
[02:28] <MrChrisDruif> You only use one
[02:28] <Bunie> they all use /home so.. theyll all have the same stuff yes?
[02:28] <MrChrisDruif> Yup, it's just a different session
[02:29] <Bunie> what about CTRL+ALT+F1
[02:29] <Bunie> etc.
[02:29] <Bunie> how do i start x on those?
[02:29] <Bunie> i thought it was "start x"
[02:29] <Bunie> but aparently it isnt
[02:29] <Bunie> or can X only run once?
[02:29] <MrChrisDruif> So for instance: if you have Chromium set up to open the same tabs as when you close, you'll get the same on either session
[02:30] <MrChrisDruif> Does are the tty's
[02:30] <MrChrisDruif> I'm not sure what they do
[02:30] <Bunie> they allow you to log onto multiple users and stuff
[02:30] <MrChrisDruif> I don't know
[02:30] <MrChrisDruif> I only got one user on this computer && network
[02:31] <MrChrisDruif> ^_^
[02:31] <iceroot> Bunie: you can run multiple instances of X
[02:31] <Bunie> its neat tho, its like you can run multiple pc's at once almost :P
[02:31] <Bunie> lols
[02:31] <iceroot> Bunie: normally used on a setup with 2 monitors where each monitor is running an own instance of x
[02:32] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, to view what options you've got with that lxshortcut (or other terminal command) use the -h or --help option
[02:32] <MrChrisDruif> Anyhow Bunie
[02:32] <Bunie> "startx -- :1"
[02:32] <MrChrisDruif> I'll be back tomorrow and maybe iceroot can help you a bit further
[02:33] <Bunie> :p lols iceroot? help the likes of me? Psh
[02:33] <Bunie> Lols anyway gnite :D
[02:37] <Bunie> running X Multiple times doesnt work right. i wish it did, that'd be awesome :3 pointless, but awesome.
[02:52] <Bunie> What is OpenBox?
[04:16] <Bunie_> Hi guys :D
[06:08] <bkm> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" <- i see this a lot. specific case is making a gnuplot plot. happy 2012!
[10:16] <iceroot> need some help from a lubuntu-package-maintainer, would be great if someone can contact me. topic is the buildprocess of the latest lxde packages from the git-repo as a debian-package
[10:19] <iceroot> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468291&group_id=180858&atid=894869 and http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3468292&group_id=180858&atid=894869 specially the second bug i cant fix and wanted to know if this method/git-repo is the correct one
[10:21] <iceroot> or maybe there is a another way to have the latest version on ubuntu without compiling it with make, so i still have a clean system, managed by dpkg
[11:45] <head_victim> iceroot: I don't think they're online at the moment, the best way to get on to them when they're not here is either raising bugs on launchpad (if appropriate) or contacting them on the mailing list.
[11:52] <iceroot> head_victim: sounds like a good idea, i will create a bug on the issue about a documentation how to provide better testing-results in lubuntu
[11:53] <iceroot> i think we need a standard-solution on how to handle upstreambugs, because lxde-team will always ask (does it happen on the latest version)
[12:00] <head_victim> iceroot: without upstream there is no Lubuntu so communication and testing is important :)
[12:01] <head_victim> Sorry I'm not able to help much myself but if you raise the bug or jump on the mailing list I'm sure you'll get some assistance.
[12:04] <DanielSenat> (laptop)My fan seems to work a lot more when I use external usb mouse and keyboard
[12:06] <iceroot> head_victim: you are right about upstream and i am really interested working on the lubuntu/lxde project, so in the first two steps i requested a membership of lubuntu-team and also will create that bug :)
[13:13] <iceroot> first step done :)
[13:18] <]Spectre[> well done
[13:28] <iceroot> phillw: thank you for that :)
[13:30] <phillw> yw
[15:23] <benoliver999> I'm having awful trouble getting the panel to work right. http://db.tt/29I88esN
[15:24] <iceroot> benoliver999: its a bug
[15:24] <benoliver999> Ah
[15:24] <iceroot> benoliver999: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/846878
[15:25] <benoliver999> Anyway to get the clock back?
[15:25] <benoliver999> It comes and goes as it pleases.
[15:26] <iceroot> ah you are talking about the clock, not the spaces in the panel
[15:26] <benoliver999> Well, both.
[15:26] <benoliver999> The spaces happen, as mentioned in the bug report, on a suspend/wake cycle.
[15:27] <benoliver999> The clock... I have no idea what happened.
[15:28] <benoliver999> Ah I got it back after a poke around.
[15:28] <benoliver999> Thanks for the heads up about the bug
[17:09] <iceroot> lubuntu 12.04 will get 18month sec-updates for lxde-related packages? everything else is following the normal lts-rules? or does lubuntu have less then 18month of support?
[17:12] <gigirock> Do lubuntu install in 4gb ?
[17:12] <iceroot> gigirock: yes
[17:13] <gigirock> iceroot: it is a eeepc with ssd
[17:13] <iceroot> gigirock: i am also running lubuntu on a eeepc
[17:14] <iceroot> gigirock: my / is taking 5.1GB but i installed a lot of additional stuff
[17:14] <iceroot> 4gb is enough for a lubuntu-installation
[17:18] <gigirock> Allright i will try tonite is it possible via netinstall with unetbootin ?
[17:18] <gigirock> I fear i have no cd device
[17:33] <phillw> iceroot: IIRC, 12.04 is not an official LTS for Lubuntu, but it will receieve at leat
[17:34] <phillw> least 18 months support
[17:34] <phillw> the hope is we may have more people on dev / packaging by the time 14.04 is due.
[17:35] <jrgifford> phillw is correct. 12.04 for Lubuntu is *not* an LTS>
[17:36] <phillw> we're also hoping to throw some more stuff at 10.04 before it retires. It is matter of prioritising workload for the precious few devs
[17:46] <bkm> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" <- i see this a lot. Specific case is running gnuplot from the command line
[17:51] <iceroot> phillw: thanks for the info about that, looking for a good solution for a big roleout (3000 clients) and updating every 18 month is a very nice thing. maybe backporting by hand is the only solution for me
[17:52] <iceroot> is not
[17:54] <iceroot> but if 14.04 maybe has an lts, i think using 12.04 and backporting the last 6 month by hand is ok
[17:57] <iceroot> !flavor (something important missing)
[17:57] <iceroot> hö?
[17:57] <iceroot> !flavor
[18:02] <phillw> iceroot: the kernel updates etc will still continuw, just lubuntu specific stuff will not.
[18:02] <iceroot> phillw: yes, all the lxde packages are EOL then
[18:04] <iceroot> any chances 12.04 lubuntu will be lts on a later point? mabye when the team is bigger? or is this 100% not possible?
[18:05] <iceroot> i could do some backporting on patches, maybe i will open a topic about that on the mailing-list
[18:05] <jrgifford> retroactively make it an LTS?
[18:06] <iceroot> i would say, backporting sec-patches is a good start for lts
[18:07] <iceroot> maybe not 5 years lts but 3 lts
[18:07] <iceroot> or even 2 years to have always support untl 14.04
[20:08] <]Spectre[> is incredible
[20:11] <]Spectre[> I have a bug "inside of the lcd screen"  I was pushing him on the screen to kill him but I saw that he is behind the front protective plastic cover
[20:39] <nothingspecial> hey Unit193
[20:39] <Unit193> Howdy, nothingspecial
[22:45] <]Spectre[> hi guys
[22:51] <]Spectre[> I'm looking for a GMail notifier for Lubuntu(so lxde) can you suggest something please ? thanks in advance
[22:54] <Unit193> gm-notify might do the trick, but I haven't used it
[22:56] <Unit193> Otherwise, apt-cache search gmail   should help you ;)
[22:58] <MrChrisDruif> What? What was the problem?
[23:00] <Unit193> Looking for a "GMail notifier for Lubuntu" so I pointed at gm-notify :P
[23:02] <MrChrisDruif> Alright
[23:04] <]Spectre[> thanks Unit193
[23:04] <]Spectre[> ciao MrChrisDruif
[23:04] <MrChrisDruif> Ciao ]Spectre[
[23:05] <]Spectre[> Hallo MrChrisDruif
[23:07] <]Spectre[> MrCrhisDruif: hoe gaat het?
[23:07] <]Spectre[> the tab ...
[23:07] <]Spectre[> MrChrisDruif: hoe gaat het ?