[00:00] <penguin42> Fudge: Right, some bioses will do a redirect to serial as well
[00:00] <Fudge> i'll have to check that out on my new board, this is just a g31 chipset
[00:01] <Fudge> i read something couple years ago from opensuse i think that they were tinkering with tts at grub level
[00:02] <Fudge> if you google grub opensuse text to speech it comes up
[00:02] <Fudge> i could never get any further info on it though
[00:03] <penguin42> it must be hard, sound hardware is so random
[00:04] <Fudge> ubuntu is pretty awesome, freebsd i used to have lots of probs with getting it to work, then X and even worse if you mess something up in fstab next boot you get dropped into a single user shell
[00:06] <penguin42> Fudge: which is why it's good to have bios/grub/kernel all setup to do serial console - I've had to do it for remote or embedded stuff
[00:08] <Fudge> sounds pretty awesome penguin42
[01:44] <Yariv> hey people, I tried to download the 12.04 developers preview, and tried to install it on a laptop and another machine using VirtualBox and both of them have the same problem. Once booted up it gives me kernel panic and freeze.
[02:27] <mrdeb> hello. when is the beta out
[02:29] <robin0800> mrdeb: march 1st
[02:37] <mrdeb> ok robin
[02:37] <mrdeb> thank you
[03:18]  * solid_liq is now known as 2_tone_beat_up_old_stationwagon
[03:33] <khm> Debate between Christianity and Islam :(Is the Bible God's Word?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA22NNFlDw - E-mail:M4.Guest@Gmail.com
[03:34] <micahg> !offtopic | khm
[03:40] <jacobw> ok, i'm using irssi in gnome-terminal, pressing alt+<left>/<right> puts a D or a C in the input
[03:41] <jacobw> somebody else must use irssi in gnome-terminal, does this happen to you?
[03:43] <Fudge> jacobw  is that supposed to move between tabs in gnome terminal?
[03:43] <jacobw> Fudge: between tabs in irssi
[03:44] <Fudge> alt left/right moves between windows for me with irssi/screen in gnome terminal
[03:44] <jacobw> sorry, windows in irssi
[03:47] <Fudge> yes mate moving between windows, i tried screen  -x of this session from gnome terminal and it moved me from here which is window 34 to 33 and 35 when going left/right
[03:48] <jacobw> ok
[03:48] <Fudge> thats in a screen sessin though so maybe its different
[03:48] <jacobw> i'm not using screen at the moment, i'm just using irssi in gnome-terminal
[03:49] <jacobw> windows of a screen session would be different, as far i'm aware alt+<left>/<right> is not the command to switch windows in screen
[03:51] <jacobw> in screen its cmd+c,[0-9] to switch windows
[03:52] <Fudge> control n/p also but alt left/right did work anywayz from gt
[03:52] <jacobw> ok
[03:53] <jacobw> anyway, i'm quite happy this is the only real problem i've got with alpha 1
[03:56] <Fudge> its very usable
[03:56] <Fudge> think its the first alpha in a long time that has so much accessibility stuff working
[03:58] <jacobw> AlanBell has been vocal about accessibility issues since the last release cycle
[04:00] <Fudge> yeah ubuntu accessibility team are awesome and very approachable
[09:45] <alkisg> Hi, where can I download kubuntu precise alpha1? I'm having some problems with the daily build... (update-openoffice-dicts something missing)
[10:08] <Fudge> alkisg  did you google cdimage kubuntu alpha 1 precise
[10:08] <alkisg> Fudge: yes, and I got to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/precise/, which is appareantly removed for some reason
[10:10] <alkisg> Anyway I ran `ln -s update-openoffice-dicts /bin/true` to get past the failing postinst... I hope I can make daily-build work this way
[10:11] <alkisg> (ok I wrote the correct syntax for ln, the above is wrong :))
[10:11] <micahg> alkisg: please file a bug against the package in question, it needs to be updated to not use that
[10:12] <alkisg> micahg: thank you, I'm past that point now, I'll see if I can find the time to retry the installation to see which package called that
[10:15] <Fudge> cant find the alpha either lol
[13:18] <penguin42> anyone in KDE finding the task manager (list of windows on the panel) is being a bit random?
[13:23]  * penguin42 is finding it giving a random mix of windows on random virtual desktops
[14:02] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:03] <alkisg> I installed kubuntu precise daily build, but it had a few problems, which I thought I worked around. But now I see what seems like a broken GUI....
[14:03] <alkisg> Does kubuntu precise have the system menu on the top of the screen? And no "K" menu at the bottom at all?
[14:05] <BluesKaj> nope nut you can add the kmenu launcher ther "add widgets"
[14:05] <BluesKaj> but
[14:06]  * BluesKaj cleans his glasses
[14:06] <alkisg> Let me upload a picture to imagebin, because I can't imagine that what I'm seeing was deliberately designed like this... it seems too broken
[14:08] <alkisg> What's the name of the browser, to launch it from the command line, because the desktop icons won't respond to mouse clicks?
[14:08] <penguin42> kubuntu for me has a panel at the bottom with a K menu on the left and clock and stuff on the right
[14:08] <alkisg> penguin42: is that precise?
[14:09] <penguin42> alkisg: yes, but not a fresh install
[14:09] <penguin42> hmm, actually I have a fresh install VM - let me boot it
[14:09] <alkisg> Thank you, ok so it's clearly wrong, let me see if something breaks it...
[14:09] <alkisg> Please do
[14:09] <alkisg> The same broken layout was there in ubiquity too
[14:09] <alkisg> errr in the live session
[14:10] <penguin42> alkisg: My fresh install from a few day old daily CD looks the same
[14:10] <alkisg> Thank you penguin42, let me try troubleshooting this...
[14:15] <BluesKaj> I also have problems with my desktop shortcuts not launching ,, the kdeinit failed to launch message dialog pops up , same goes for any shortcuts dragged to th epanel like textfiles ...tried adding the text file to the kmenu in edit apps and then adding the textfile from there to the panel, which used to work , but not anymore
[14:18] <BluesKaj> this problem has been around on my pc since 4.7.3 ...I suspect there's a configuration in kdeinit that's to blame, but I have no idea how to fix it
[14:23] <BluesKaj> and googling has no solutions for the kdeinit failure message "KDEInit could not launch '/home/user/nameoffolder"
[14:23] <penguin42> it's always good to have your own special bug isn't it?
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Plasma desktop shell spits the dialog btw
[14:27] <alkisg> Aaah "small screen resolution detected, using plasma-netbook" ==> that's probably why the interface is not familiar... and maybe the reason why it's not responding either :D
[14:28] <alkisg> Let me check for how to disable that...
[14:28] <BluesKaj> penguin42, what's good about it , I'm pi**ed about this ..fed up really
[14:30] <penguin42> BluesKaj: It's pretty difficult if it's only you having it
[14:31] <yofel_> alkisg: system settings -> workspace behaviour -> workspace -> workspace type
[14:31] <alkisg> ty
[14:31] <alkisg> (I don't think I'll be able to find system settings with the broken UI, but I'll do it after removing plasma-netbook manually :))
[14:32] <yofel> you should have a krunner-like text field on your screen to search for applications
[14:35] <alkisg> Yes, and I can type there, but the icons I find do not respond to mouse clicks
[14:35] <alkisg> Anyway I removed /usr/share/something/plasma-netbook.desktop, and it worked fine
[14:35] <yofel> BluesKaj: hm, for some reason plasma does nonsense when adding a shortcut to the panel...
[14:35] <alkisg> Muuuuuch better - thank you very much all
[14:36] <yofel> if I add a folder, it adds an icon with like '/home/yofel/data' as command, but you obviously can't "run" folders o.O
[14:40] <BluesKaj> yofel, well the problem is that itused to work and came to depend on panel shortcuts to certain textfiles I use as reference ...now i have to open dolphin to access it
[14:42] <yofel> well, as a workaround, you can go to the icon settings -> application and fix the command. Appending xdg-open to it should do the right thing usually. (or just use the right application)
[14:42] <yofel> did you file a bug yet?
[14:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: hm, seems like this only happens to any files that are marked executable (someone seems to have missed that that includes folders)
[14:55] <yofel> I can add shortcuts fine for text files that aren't executable
[15:01]  * yofel filed kde bug 290405
[15:01] <yofel> bbl
[15:08] <BluesKaj> yofel , one can add textfiles orfolder , but they won't launch from the desktop or the panel ...applications work fine
[15:09] <BluesKaj> yofel, I thought that i filed a bug quite a while back , but i can't locate it on launchpad now
[15:13] <BluesKaj> yofel, heh, even the ubuntu-bug dialog froze and showed the crash indicator failure in the panel :)
[17:11] <smallfoot-> put new firefox in repo
[17:11] <smallfoot-> cuz the firefox has ugly menu
[17:11] <smallfoot-> if you use other theme
[17:16] <smallfoot-> will precise pangolin boot faster?
[17:16] <smallfoot-> cuz oneiric ocelot boots slow and shuts off slow
[17:17] <smallfoot-> and the other one before ocelot was fast
[17:29] <penguin42> smallfoot-: The boot doesn't seem too bad, but the shutdown on kubuntu seems a bit sluggish
[17:31] <smallfoot-> Microsoft Live integration, MSN over XMPP in Empathy, etc... i hope precise turns out good
[17:40] <Hamed> hi
[17:40] <Hamed> how are you
[17:41] <Hamed> i have aproblem in my lan
[17:41] <Hamed> any one here
[18:39] <yofel> BluesKaj: text files are fine if I add them to the panel here, just folders are wrongly handled as applications
[18:40] <yofel> although text have to be not executable
[18:40] <yofel> *text files
[18:53] <BluesKaj> yofel, I filed a bug on launchpad bug #910907
[18:54] <dupondje> Hi ! Any idea how I start with debugging a hard crash? Black screen, and no response anymore :s
[18:54] <BluesKaj> no login page , dupondje?
[18:54] <dupondje> well sometimes i'm working on my pc, and it locks
[18:55] <dupondje> nothing works anymore, no keyboard, nothing
[18:55] <dupondje> only thing I can do is pulling the power
[18:55] <yofel> BluesKaj: which is about what I'm getting too, so I linked that with my kde bug
[18:57] <BluesKaj> yofel, good :)
[18:57] <yofel> BluesKaj: as a workaround, you could edit the icon, and in the Applications tab append 'dolphin' before the folder path as Command
[18:58] <BluesKaj> ok yofel , thanks I'll try that
[19:00] <yofel> s/append/prepend/
[19:12] <BluesKaj> yofel , the line in the command dolphin/home/user/Videos for example isn't found upon further examination the information tab in icon settings shows the path as "/home/kaj/.local/share/applications/Videos.desktop
[19:12] <yofel> BluesKaj: ah, add a space:  dolphin /home/user/Videos
[19:13] <BluesKaj> yofel, and when i try to launch from the /home/kaj/.local/share/applications/ itgives the "could not find /home/kaj/Videos executable"
[19:14] <BluesKaj> message
[19:15] <yofel> well yeah, it's trying to run the specified file (/home/user/Videos) which oviously doesn't work - so change the command to 'dolphin /home/user/Videos' so it actually runs dolphin with /home/user/Videos as parameter
[19:22] <BluesKaj> yofel, I did that but all i get is dolphin /home/user  , not the video folder
[19:23] <BluesKaj> it works if I do , kdesudo dolphin /home/kaj/Videos , why it needs sudo is beyonf me
[19:23] <yofel> works without sudo here
[19:23] <Resistance> hmm
[19:24] <Resistance> looks like permissions?
[19:24] <yofel> could be
[19:24] <Resistance> also, where's the latest release of 12.04, i want to load a VM of it :P
[19:24] <yofel> either look for the alpha1 page, or
[19:24] <yofel> !daily
[19:24] <BluesKaj> yeah , but suddenly I need permissions?
[19:25] <BluesKaj> anyway , I have some errands etc to do ...bb in hr or so
[19:25] <yofel> you shouldn't, as long as Videos is xr for you
[19:25] <Resistance> i was thinking along the lines fo an exploded ownership of a folder or something
[19:25] <Resistance> like yofel stated, those perms would be needed
[19:26] <BluesKaj> permissions are -rwx
[19:26] <BluesKaj> read write exec ..correct?
[19:27] <BluesKaj> anyway BBL
[19:28] <yofel> looks right
[19:30] <Resistance> RWX = Read-Write-Execute
[20:56] <guntbert> hmm ... software center crashes, apport does its thing, then it says "this bug has already been reported as #849553", firefox opens with that bug and at the bottom (after several comments from the last days) I see "this is a duplicate of #849745". should apport not send us to the correct bug immediately?
[21:00] <micahg> guntbert: please file a bug against apport requesting it to resolve duplicates before displaying the bug #
[21:00] <guntbert> micahg: will do
[21:00] <micahg> guntbert: thanks!
[21:01] <jtaylor> isn't that just an issue with this redirect list?
[21:01] <jtaylor> bugpatterns
[21:02] <micahg> jtaylor: well, I would think it's easy enough to see if the bug pattern bug has been duped rather than updating the bug pattern
[21:02] <micahg> but technically, in most cases, yes :)
[21:21] <guntbert> micahg: Bug #910981
[21:35] <FernandoMiguel> stupid mount-all
[21:35] <Resistance> hmm
[21:35] <Resistance> alpha1 installer crash
[21:35] <Resistance> in a VM
[21:35] <FernandoMiguel> fails to mount cifs on fstab and fsck fails
[21:35] <FernandoMiguel> wow so many new nicks in here
[21:41] <FernandoMiguel> is there a way to setup make sure fstab mounts (or part of it) later on the boot? just about before the login? so that anything that runs off fstab doesn't fail for network slow down?
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> and also, how to unmount it earlier ? my laptop always hangs on shutdown :(
[21:43] <FernandoMiguel> I remember a old bug in 10.04 about it, but was fixed at least till 11.10
[21:45] <iceroot> FernandoMiguel: there is an mount-option for nfs, cifs and so on for trying the mount again if the network is not up at the moment
[21:45] <iceroot> !mount | FernandoMiguel (somehwere there the option can be found)
[21:46] <yofel> for nfs it was 'bg' I think
[21:46] <iceroot> yes
[21:46] <yofel> and to make mountall not fail on delayed nfs mount add 'nobootwait'
[21:46] <FernandoMiguel> thanks
[21:46] <FernandoMiguel> will look into it