| dpm | good morning everyone! | 07:54 |
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| cjohnston | mornin | 10:48 |
| dpm | hey cjohnston :) | 10:49 |
| cjohnston | :-) | 10:52 |
| dpm | happy new year! | 10:52 |
| cjohnston | same to you | 10:53 |
| cjohnston | Up a whole lot earlier than I wanted to be :-( | 10:56 |
| AlanBell | http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-q/meeting/1/testmeeting/ | 11:12 |
| AlanBell | if someone could have a look at that it would be rather smashing | 11:12 |
| * jussi prods AlanBell | 11:13 | |
| AlanBell | nearly there I think | 11:15 |
| jussi | :) | 11:16 |
| * AlanBell ponders a heretical thought | 11:17 | |
| AlanBell | I was just about to rip out the chat thing in the etherpad, because we use IRC for the UDS rooms with mixed success | 11:18 |
| AlanBell | and it occurred to me that we might contemplate considering the possibility of putting the pad pages with chat on the projectors instead of IRC | 11:18 |
| jussi | but you want to move away from irc ? | 11:19 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: -2 | 11:19 |
| jussi | AlanBell: not a good idea. | 11:19 |
| AlanBell | it possibly isn't a good idea | 11:19 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: how about make it inherit the fact that your logged into summit | 11:19 |
| jussi | Does the chat have moderation capabilities? (easily?) does it have exposure? work on mobile? | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | but one of the main frustrations for remote users is that nobody pays any attention to the IRC | 11:20 |
| popey | Also nice to have the pad and the chat in the same place | 11:20 |
| jussi | AlanBell: Ill tell you what to do, embed the freenode webchat into the page ;) | 11:20 |
| AlanBell | I am going to add moderation (ban a launchpad ID) | 11:20 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: i think they would pay less attention when its on pad page | 11:20 |
| cjohnston | its way too small | 11:21 |
| jussi | thats also a problem. | 11:21 |
| cjohnston | has to be minimized and max'ed | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | you can resize it and I can change that anyway | 11:21 |
| jussi | AlanBell: or have the page monitor the irc channel and alert when the nick is highlighted | 11:21 |
| cjohnston | but if you make it bigger its going to take up the space of the pad | 11:21 |
| AlanBell | that is just a matter of finding a happy compromise | 11:23 |
| cjohnston | I'm -1 on the idea | 11:24 |
| AlanBell | chat works on android (and presumably iphone) the pad itself is readonly because mobile browsers don't do contenteditable mostly | 11:28 |
| AlanBell | I don't know if I am +1 or -1 on the idea, but I have spent a lot of time doing remote participation for UDS, I love IRC in general but the room based system doesn't feel like it is unimproveable | 11:32 |
| AlanBell | cjohnston: I don't think it is feasible to inherit the fact you are already logged into launchpad because the pad server can't read a cookie belonging to the summit server | 11:33 |
| popey | they could probably improve the irc experience by simply moving the irc projector so it is next to the pad projector | 11:34 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: the pad is on the same server as summit | 11:34 |
| popey | that way your head is facing the same way | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | popey: there *isn't* a pad projector | 11:34 |
| popey | technically there is | 11:34 |
| AlanBell | there is an IRC projector and a floating VGA cable | 11:34 |
| popey | the one people use in the room | 11:34 |
| popey | in most rooms that gets used for pad projection | 11:35 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: not all sessions use the cable for etherpad.. some use it for demo's and such. what would you do for chat then? | 11:35 |
| czajkowski | popey: aye I suggested that in the feedback or movin the fish bowl a bit wider to see the screens | 11:35 |
| AlanBell | cjohnston: ok, if we moved it into the summit realm it might be possible to do something | 11:35 |
| popey | whilst not every session uses the cable for etherpad, the vast majority of sessions have people _looking_ at the non-irc display | 11:35 |
| popey | which means that they are _not_ looking at the irc one | 11:36 |
| cjohnston | i agree. | 11:36 |
| popey | for the vast majority of the time | 11:36 |
| AlanBell | popey: indeed | 11:36 |
| czajkowski | yup | 11:36 |
| popey | put them next to eachother and you very quickly fix that | 11:36 |
| AlanBell | cjohnston: so what I am thinking is an optimised display that shows the pad for the current session, with chat (possibly styled differently in terms of size, translucency, more like libnotify) | 11:38 |
| AlanBell | and that goes on the fixed display, and the floating VGA is just floating for demos etc | 11:39 |
| AlanBell | the pad and chat about the session *stay together* so people can leave notes in the chat before the session and after the session you can refer to the chat about the session | 11:39 |
| cjohnston | AlanBell: if you lose etherpad then you lose chat | 11:40 |
| AlanBell | I can't now easily go from say http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19599/servercloud-p-php54 to the chatter that happened in the IRC channel about that session | 11:40 |
| cjohnston | if you wanted to do that with a regular irc window that may work | 11:40 |
| * cjohnston has g2g | 11:41 | |
| AlanBell | I am not too worried about losing etherpad, I think this will be stable, I will be doing load testing with a few thousand connections (not with launchpad accounts) | 11:43 |
| AlanBell | an IRC<->pad chat gateway would be feasible | 11:46 |
| doctormon | AlanBell: Considering the way the pad works, why not ditch irc altogether and move to the pad? It has a chat facility as well as being logged in the right place, attached to the discussed data and insitue. | 12:39 |
| AlanBell | doctormon: that is exactly what is being considered | 12:39 |
| doctormon | I see, I do have a gold medal in pointing out the obvious. | 12:41 |
| AlanBell | it should be an olympic event | 12:42 |
| doctormon | So is anything else going on community wise other than uds/summit? | 12:42 |
| jussi | doctormon: Im getting stressed out by the waiting... :/ | 12:44 |
| AlanBell | jussi: star jumps ;) | 12:44 |
| doctormon | jussi: What are you waiting for? | 12:44 |
| jussi | doctormon: same thing as you got not so long ago ;) | 12:45 |
| jussi | due date is 6th Jan. | 12:45 |
| doctormon | jussi: Wonderful! | 12:58 |
| doctormon | jussi: Violet was just sick all over the place, she really got into New Year celibrations ;-) | 12:59 |
| doctormon | I think you've gone further term than we did. We were 2 weeks early. | 13:03 |
| jussi | :) | 13:13 |
| AlanBell | pad chat popups are mor libnotifyish now | 13:21 |
| jussi | doctormon: yeah, we are a bit on from that. I just hope it comes soon! | 13:35 |
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| mhall119 | good morning and happy new year | 14:12 |
| dpm | hey mhall119, happy new year :) | 14:26 |
| * nigelb waves from the beachside | 15:12 | |
| AlanBell | hi nigelb | 15:20 |
| nigelb | Hey AlanBell! | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/chat/testpad experimental and rather rough chat only interface | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/testpad is the corresponding page including the editor | 16:59 |
| AlanBell | greg-g: hi | 19:41 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I don't have username switching on the chat only pad | 19:41 |
| AlanBell | and that padname doesn't need launchpad login | 19:42 |
| greg-g | AlanBell: ah, I just see links and click on them, no worries :) | 19:42 |
| AlanBell | thats fine :) | 19:43 |
| AlanBell | it was a good test, I had only used it after already logging in to launchpad | 19:43 |
| greg-g | ah, then you're welcome ;) | 19:45 |
| AlanBell | I have an idea of some awesomeness relating to a mobile chat-only interface | 19:45 |
| cprofitt | afternoon all | 20:12 |
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