[07:54] good morning everyone! === huats_ is now known as huats [10:48] mornin [10:49] hey cjohnston :) [10:52] :-) [10:52] happy new year! [10:53] same to you [10:56] Up a whole lot earlier than I wanted to be :-( [11:12] http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-q/meeting/1/testmeeting/ [11:12] if someone could have a look at that it would be rather smashing [11:13] * jussi prods AlanBell [11:15] nearly there I think [11:16] :) [11:17] * AlanBell ponders a heretical thought [11:18] I was just about to rip out the chat thing in the etherpad, because we use IRC for the UDS rooms with mixed success [11:18] and it occurred to me that we might contemplate considering the possibility of putting the pad pages with chat on the projectors instead of IRC [11:19] but you want to move away from irc ? [11:19] AlanBell: -2 [11:19] AlanBell: not a good idea. [11:19] it possibly isn't a good idea [11:19] AlanBell: how about make it inherit the fact that your logged into summit [11:20] Does the chat have moderation capabilities? (easily?) does it have exposure? work on mobile? [11:20] but one of the main frustrations for remote users is that nobody pays any attention to the IRC [11:20] Also nice to have the pad and the chat in the same place [11:20] AlanBell: Ill tell you what to do, embed the freenode webchat into the page ;) [11:20] I am going to add moderation (ban a launchpad ID) [11:20] AlanBell: i think they would pay less attention when its on pad page [11:21] its way too small [11:21] thats also a problem. [11:21] has to be minimized and max'ed [11:21] you can resize it and I can change that anyway [11:21] AlanBell: or have the page monitor the irc channel and alert when the nick is highlighted [11:21] but if you make it bigger its going to take up the space of the pad [11:23] that is just a matter of finding a happy compromise [11:24] I'm -1 on the idea [11:28] chat works on android (and presumably iphone) the pad itself is readonly because mobile browsers don't do contenteditable mostly [11:32] I don't know if I am +1 or -1 on the idea, but I have spent a lot of time doing remote participation for UDS, I love IRC in general but the room based system doesn't feel like it is unimproveable [11:33] cjohnston: I don't think it is feasible to inherit the fact you are already logged into launchpad because the pad server can't read a cookie belonging to the summit server [11:34] they could probably improve the irc experience by simply moving the irc projector so it is next to the pad projector [11:34] AlanBell: the pad is on the same server as summit [11:34] that way your head is facing the same way [11:34] popey: there *isn't* a pad projector [11:34] technically there is [11:34] there is an IRC projector and a floating VGA cable [11:34] the one people use in the room [11:35] in most rooms that gets used for pad projection [11:35] AlanBell: not all sessions use the cable for etherpad.. some use it for demo's and such. what would you do for chat then? [11:35] popey: aye I suggested that in the feedback or movin the fish bowl a bit wider to see the screens [11:35] cjohnston: ok, if we moved it into the summit realm it might be possible to do something [11:35] whilst not every session uses the cable for etherpad, the vast majority of sessions have people _looking_ at the non-irc display [11:36] which means that they are _not_ looking at the irc one [11:36] i agree. [11:36] for the vast majority of the time [11:36] popey: indeed [11:36] yup [11:36] put them next to eachother and you very quickly fix that [11:38] cjohnston: so what I am thinking is an optimised display that shows the pad for the current session, with chat (possibly styled differently in terms of size, translucency, more like libnotify) [11:39] and that goes on the fixed display, and the floating VGA is just floating for demos etc [11:39] the pad and chat about the session *stay together* so people can leave notes in the chat before the session and after the session you can refer to the chat about the session [11:40] AlanBell: if you lose etherpad then you lose chat [11:40] I can't now easily go from say http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19599/servercloud-p-php54 to the chatter that happened in the IRC channel about that session [11:40] if you wanted to do that with a regular irc window that may work [11:41] * cjohnston has g2g [11:43] I am not too worried about losing etherpad, I think this will be stable, I will be doing load testing with a few thousand connections (not with launchpad accounts) [11:46] an IRC<->pad chat gateway would be feasible [12:39] AlanBell: Considering the way the pad works, why not ditch irc altogether and move to the pad? It has a chat facility as well as being logged in the right place, attached to the discussed data and insitue. [12:39] doctormon: that is exactly what is being considered [12:41] I see, I do have a gold medal in pointing out the obvious. [12:42] it should be an olympic event [12:42] So is anything else going on community wise other than uds/summit? [12:44] doctormon: Im getting stressed out by the waiting... :/ [12:44] jussi: star jumps ;) [12:44] jussi: What are you waiting for? [12:45] doctormon: same thing as you got not so long ago ;) [12:45] due date is 6th Jan. [12:58] jussi: Wonderful! [12:59] jussi: Violet was just sick all over the place, she really got into New Year celibrations ;-) [13:03] I think you've gone further term than we did. We were 2 weeks early. [13:13] :) [13:21] pad chat popups are mor libnotifyish now [13:35] doctormon: yeah, we are a bit on from that. I just hope it comes soon! === JanC_ is now known as JanC [14:12] good morning and happy new year [14:26] hey mhall119, happy new year :) [15:12] * nigelb waves from the beachside [15:20] hi nigelb [15:20] Hey AlanBell! [16:59] http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/chat/testpad experimental and rather rough chat only interface [16:59] http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/testpad is the corresponding page including the editor [19:41] greg-g: hi [19:41] yeah, I don't have username switching on the chat only pad [19:42] and that padname doesn't need launchpad login [19:42] AlanBell: ah, I just see links and click on them, no worries :) [19:43] thats fine :) [19:43] it was a good test, I had only used it after already logging in to launchpad [19:45] ah, then you're welcome ;) [19:45] I have an idea of some awesomeness relating to a mobile chat-only interface [20:12] afternoon all