[07:54] <dpm> good morning everyone!
[10:48] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:49] <dpm> hey cjohnston :)
[10:52] <cjohnston> :-)
[10:52] <dpm> happy new year!
[10:53] <cjohnston> same to you
[10:56] <cjohnston> Up a whole lot earlier than I wanted to be :-(
[11:12] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:8000/uds-q/meeting/1/testmeeting/
[11:12] <AlanBell> if someone could have a look at that it would be rather smashing
[11:13]  * jussi prods AlanBell
[11:15] <AlanBell> nearly there I think
[11:16] <jussi> :)
[11:17]  * AlanBell ponders a heretical thought
[11:18] <AlanBell> I was just about to rip out the chat thing in the etherpad, because we use IRC for the UDS rooms with mixed success
[11:18] <AlanBell> and it occurred to me that we might contemplate considering the possibility of putting the pad pages with chat on the projectors instead of IRC
[11:19] <jussi> but you want to move away from irc ?
[11:19] <cjohnston> AlanBell: -2
[11:19] <jussi> AlanBell: not a good idea.
[11:19] <AlanBell> it possibly isn't a good idea
[11:19] <cjohnston> AlanBell: how about make it inherit the  fact that your logged into summit
[11:20] <jussi> Does the chat have moderation capabilities? (easily?) does it have exposure?  work on mobile?
[11:20] <AlanBell> but one of the main frustrations for remote users is that nobody pays any attention to the IRC
[11:20] <popey> Also nice to have the pad and the chat in the same place
[11:20] <jussi> AlanBell: Ill tell you what to do, embed the freenode webchat into the page ;)
[11:20] <AlanBell> I am going to add moderation (ban a launchpad ID)
[11:20] <cjohnston> AlanBell: i think they would pay less attention when its on pad page
[11:21] <cjohnston> its way too small
[11:21] <jussi> thats also a problem.
[11:21] <cjohnston> has to be minimized and max'ed
[11:21] <AlanBell> you can resize it and I can change that anyway
[11:21] <jussi> AlanBell: or have the page monitor the irc channel and alert when the nick is highlighted
[11:21] <cjohnston> but if you make it bigger its going to take up the space of the pad
[11:23] <AlanBell> that is just a matter of finding a happy compromise
[11:24] <cjohnston> I'm -1 on the idea
[11:28] <AlanBell> chat works on android (and presumably iphone) the pad itself is readonly because mobile browsers don't do contenteditable mostly
[11:32] <AlanBell> I don't know if I am +1 or -1 on the idea, but I have spent a lot of time doing remote participation for UDS, I love IRC in general but the room based system doesn't feel like it is unimproveable
[11:33] <AlanBell> cjohnston: I don't think it is feasible to inherit the fact you are already logged into launchpad because the pad server can't read a cookie belonging to the summit server
[11:34] <popey> they could probably improve the irc experience by simply moving the irc projector so it is next to the pad projector
[11:34] <cjohnston> AlanBell: the pad is on the same server as summit
[11:34] <popey> that way your head is facing the same way
[11:34] <AlanBell> popey: there *isn't* a pad projector
[11:34] <popey> technically there is
[11:34] <AlanBell> there is an IRC projector and a floating VGA cable
[11:34] <popey> the one people use in the room
[11:35] <popey> in most rooms that gets used for pad projection
[11:35] <cjohnston> AlanBell: not all sessions use the cable for etherpad.. some use it for demo's and such. what would you do for chat then?
[11:35] <czajkowski> popey: aye I suggested that in the feedback or movin the fish bowl a bit wider to see the screens
[11:35] <AlanBell> cjohnston: ok, if we moved it into the summit realm it might be possible to do something
[11:35] <popey> whilst not every session uses the cable for etherpad, the vast majority of sessions have people _looking_ at the non-irc display
[11:36] <popey> which means that they are _not_ looking at the irc one
[11:36] <cjohnston> i agree.
[11:36] <popey> for the vast majority of the time
[11:36] <AlanBell> popey: indeed
[11:36] <czajkowski> yup
[11:36] <popey> put them next to eachother and you very quickly fix that
[11:38] <AlanBell> cjohnston: so what I am thinking is an optimised display that shows the pad for the current session, with chat (possibly styled differently in terms of size, translucency, more like libnotify)
[11:39] <AlanBell> and that goes on the fixed display, and the floating VGA is just floating for demos etc
[11:39] <AlanBell> the pad and chat about the session *stay together* so people can leave notes in the chat before the session and after the session you can refer to the chat about the session
[11:40] <cjohnston> AlanBell: if you lose etherpad then you lose chat
[11:40] <AlanBell> I can't now easily go from say http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19599/servercloud-p-php54 to the chatter that happened in the IRC channel about that session
[11:40] <cjohnston> if you wanted to do that with a regular irc window that may work
[11:41]  * cjohnston has g2g
[11:43] <AlanBell> I am not too worried about losing etherpad, I think this will be stable, I will be doing load testing with a few thousand connections (not with launchpad accounts)
[11:46] <AlanBell> an IRC<->pad chat gateway would be feasible
[12:39] <doctormon> AlanBell: Considering the way the pad works, why not ditch irc altogether and move to the pad? It has a chat facility as well as being logged in the right place, attached to the discussed data and insitue.
[12:39] <AlanBell> doctormon: that is exactly what is being considered
[12:41] <doctormon> I see, I do have a gold medal in pointing out the obvious.
[12:42] <AlanBell> it should be an olympic event
[12:42] <doctormon> So is anything else going on community wise other than uds/summit?
[12:44] <jussi> doctormon: Im getting stressed out by the waiting... :/
[12:44] <AlanBell> jussi: star jumps ;)
[12:44] <doctormon> jussi: What are you waiting for?
[12:45] <jussi> doctormon: same thing as you got not so long ago ;)
[12:45] <jussi> due date is 6th Jan.
[12:58] <doctormon> jussi: Wonderful!
[12:59] <doctormon> jussi: Violet was just sick all over the place, she really got into New Year celibrations ;-)
[13:03] <doctormon> I think you've gone further term than we did. We were 2 weeks early.
[13:13] <jussi> :)
[13:21] <AlanBell> pad chat popups are mor libnotifyish now
[13:35] <jussi> doctormon: yeah, we are a bit on from that. I just hope it comes soon!
[14:12] <mhall119> good morning and happy new year
[14:26] <dpm> hey mhall119, happy new year :)
[15:12]  * nigelb waves from the beachside
[15:20] <AlanBell> hi nigelb
[15:20] <nigelb> Hey AlanBell!
[16:59] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/chat/testpad experimental and rather rough chat only interface
[16:59] <AlanBell> http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/testpad is the corresponding page including the editor
[19:41] <AlanBell> greg-g: hi
[19:41] <AlanBell> yeah, I don't have username switching on the chat only pad
[19:42] <AlanBell> and that padname doesn't need launchpad login
[19:42] <greg-g> AlanBell: ah, I just see links and click on them, no worries :)
[19:43] <AlanBell> thats fine :)
[19:43] <AlanBell> it was a good test, I had only used it after already logging in to launchpad
[19:45] <greg-g> ah, then you're welcome ;)
[19:45] <AlanBell> I have an idea of some awesomeness relating to a mobile chat-only interface
[20:12] <cprofitt> afternoon all