[09:11] <seb128> good morning and happy new year ;-)
[09:13] <rodrigo_> hey seb128, happy new year
[09:13] <seb128> hey rodrigo_, happy new year to you too! how are you?
[09:13] <rodrigo_> seb128, still a bit tired after new year's party :)
[09:13] <rodrigo_> you?
[09:15] <seb128> tired a bit as well, and I got a cold on thursday which is not totally over
[09:15] <seb128> but otherwise good ;-)
[09:15] <rodrigo_> good :)
[09:16] <BigWhale> Morning? what's that? :>
[09:21] <dpm> hey seb128 and everyone, happy new year too!
[09:21] <seb128> hey dpm, happy new year!
[09:22] <BigWhale> I hated 2012 even before it started! Bcs some silly Mayan ran out of stone when making a calendar, everyone is talking about apocalypse ... *sigh* :>
[09:23] <BigWhale> Nevertheless, I hope you all have a nice year.
[09:23] <BigWhale> At least until winter solstice ...
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128, happy new year!
[09:23] <chrisccoulson> you're back to work already?
[09:24] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, happy new year!
[09:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, had nice holidays?
[09:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it was relaxing thanks. and you?
[09:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, how "already"? 2 full weeks off is not enough? ;-)
[09:24] <seb128> I've been good at not touching the computer, really great once a year ;-)
[09:25] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, we don't do the "if holiday day is during w.e so next working day is an holiday"
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> seb128, heh. we have a public holiday today because new years day fell on sunday :)
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> ah
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> that sucks ;)
[09:25] <seb128> indeed! ;-)
[09:25] <seb128> that's why 2011 sucked
[09:26] <seb128> like christmas and new year on sunday
[09:26] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that's a pain. we get additional holidays for both of those :)
[09:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, it seems that christmas and nyd fall on weekdays this year ;)
[09:31] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yeah, 2 years in a row is enough :p (those were on saturday in 2010 iirc)
[09:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well it shifts from 1 day every year usually
[09:32] <seb128> 2 this year because we have 29 days in february
[09:32] <seb128> (dunno how that's called in english)
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> yeah, we call that a "leap year"
[09:33] <seb128> noted ;-)
[09:34] <seb128> 1285 emails on precise changes while I was away
[09:34] <seb128> some people did work it seems :p
[09:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, do you know if there is a way to change the default zoom level in tb?
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i don't think there's a supported way to do that. do you want it larger by default?
[09:38] <seb128> yes
[09:38] <seb128> changing the font in the preferences works on some emails
[09:38] <seb128> could be html emails
[09:38] <seb128> it doesn't impact on the i.e -hanges emails
[09:38] <seb128> -changes
[09:38] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if you could achieve that by changing this preference to something larger than 100: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Zoom.minPercent
[09:38] <seb128> I should maybe change the desktop monospace font size
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> yeah, changing the font size would probably be better
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> although, that doesn't seem to work here
[09:41] <chrisccoulson> i think jono already reported a bug about font issues
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, if you want to increase the font size, it seems that you need to change the monospace size for both "Western" and "Other languages"
[09:45] <chrisccoulson> not sure why that is, but it seems to work here
[09:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I just noticed that tb has a monospace font size under "advanced"
[09:46] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, that's the one
[09:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I just set the minimal font size in that dialog
[09:47] <seb128> that did the trick
[09:47] <huats> morning everyone
[09:48] <seb128> lut huats, happy new year!
[09:48] <huats> happy new year seb128 !
[09:59] <ricotz> happy new year everyone!
[10:00] <seb128> ricotz, hey,happy new year!
[10:44] <Sweetshark> Happy new year, all!
[10:47] <stgraber> Sweetshark: happy new year!
[10:48] <Sweetshark> To the french guys: What is it about Berlin that you all go there for New Years? It felt like there where more frenchspeaking gals/guys around than german/slavic/english-speaking ones ;)
[11:30] <geser> Sweetshark: was it you with the big tux near the front of the stage? :)
[13:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien, and Happy New Year!
[13:03] <GunnarHj> Time to upload a simple patch (bug 909256) to oneiric-proposed? Some users are unable to use gnome-language-selector due to a stupid Python issue.
[13:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 909256 in language-selector "gnome-language-selector crashed with ValueError in _build_localename(): too many values to unpack" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/909256
[13:03] <seb128> hey GunnarHj, happy new year to you as well!
[13:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Tnx
[13:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, ok, I will have a look in a bit
[13:04] <seb128> thanks for the work on it ;-)
[13:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Great, you are welcome.
[13:56] <seb128> mvo, hey, could you look at bug #910813?
[13:56] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 910813 in computer-janitor "Lucid to Precise failed to calculate the upgrade due to computer-janitor" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/910813
[13:57] <seb128> jibel, why do we get upgrade bugs assigned to our team btw? ;-)
[13:57] <jibel> seb128, computer-janitor is not a desktop package ?
[13:58] <seb128> jibel, well the issue is not with computer-janitor, we deprecated and stopped using it, it's an update calculation issue it seems?
[14:00] <jibel> seb128, ok, for some reason it is no removed on upgrade to precise while it was few days ago and is now blocking the upgrade.
[14:00] <seb128> "Package python-apt has broken Breaks on computer-janitor"
[14:01] <jibel> seb128, is there a dedicated team for bugs in software-center of desktop is ok ?
[14:01] <jibel> s/of/or
[14:01] <seb128> jibel, good question, I would like to know as well
[14:01] <seb128> tremulox and mvo are in a new team
[14:01] <seb128> we have nobody in desktop which knows about s-c code or ever worked on it I think
[14:01] <seb128> so it doesn't seem a good fit for those bugs
[14:02] <seb128> but I'm not sure if there is a team better suited...
[14:03] <mvo> jibel: which bug in particular?
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, bug #907568
[14:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 907568 in software-center "software-center crashed with SIGSEGV in PyGILState_Ensure()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907568
[14:04] <seb128> bug #849745
[14:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 849745 in software-center "software-center crashed with DBusException in call_blocking(): org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/849745
[14:04] <jibel> mvo, all kind of bugs: bug 849745 bug 905605 bug 904614
[14:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 905605 in software-center "software-center crashed with AttributeError in _decode_value(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'decode'" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905605
[14:04] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 904614 in software-center "can't uninstall software with software-center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/904614
[14:05] <mvo> thanks, I put that on my list
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, not an answer ;-)
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, is there a team which would be best suited than canonical-desktop-team for those bugs?
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, it seems we should fix the workflow and find somebody, some team responsible for escalated s-c issues
[14:08] <seb128> I'm fine using the desktop team but in practice I doubt we will be very useful for it since we don't have anyone left on team working on s-c
[14:09] <jibel> mvo, the current workflow is triager -> desktop-team -> tremolux
[14:09] <jibel> mvo, it would be better to have a dedicated s-c team to assign reports directly
[14:10] <seb128> jibel, tremulox is not in the desktop team anymore since UDS btw ;-)
[14:10] <mvo> seb128: there are the ~software-center-developers - how about that?
[14:10] <seb128> jibel, ^
[14:11] <seb128> mvo, well, your call really ;-)
[14:11] <seb128> mvo, is anyone paying attention to the bugs assigned to this team? ;-) or is that another launchpad spambox? :p
[14:11] <seb128> mvo, the idea is just that somebody get notified of escalated issues and decide if that's something that should be worked or not
[14:12] <seb128> mvo, i.e no obligation to fix everything coming, just to have a look and check if that's something to better address if you can
[14:12] <jibel> mvo, I'm fine with any team as long as it is not a single individual unlike s-c-dev ;-)
[14:13] <mvo> seb128: well, currently we don't look at this group, but we can change that :)
[14:13] <mvo> seb128, jibel: I like the idea, I will raise it on our mailinglist
[14:13] <mvo> so that the others are aware of it
[14:29] <jibel> mvo, thanks, let us know when the decision is made and the team is ready for bug assignment.
[14:36] <mvo> jibel: I see already 4 bugs assigned to them :)
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> b'ah, FFS, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11581384&postcount=2010
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> we suck
[16:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what happpened there?
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> seb128, christmas
[17:01] <seb128> chrisccoulson, you have been good at not working during the holidays then? I support that ;-)
[17:05] <seb128> oh, pitti got some internet it seems :p
[17:06] <chrisccoulson> did he not have internets?
[17:07] <BigWhale> How long will Ubuntu stay with Compiz?
[17:07] <chrisccoulson> BigWhale, we'll switch back to mutter on April 1st ;)
[17:09] <BigWhale> don't make fun out of me! ;)
[17:09] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[17:09] <BigWhale> bcs I am caught in a
[17:09] <BigWhale> madness
[17:10] <seb128> compiz is only code
[17:10] <seb128> it can be changed or fixed
[17:10] <seb128> so staying with it or not is not really revelant ;-)
[17:11] <seb128> chrisccoulson, he travelled back from Dresden today apparently, he sent an email this morning saying he was off today swapping it with friday
[17:11] <BigWhale> well
[17:11] <BigWhale> I am getting really crappy performance screencapturing with gstreamer
[17:12] <BigWhale> a part of it is libvpx and the other part is ximagesrc plugin that captures the screen
[17:12] <BigWhale> so I am thinking about writing a plugin for gstreamer that would capture the screen directly from compiz
[17:13] <BigWhale> something similar to what was done in gnome shell for clutter
[17:13] <seb128> compiz doesn't have anything like that already?
[17:13] <BigWhale> it has a screenshot plugin
[17:13] <BigWhale> but it outputs single screens :>
[17:13] <BigWhale> that would be my starting point
[17:14] <seb128> well I guess compiz will stay long enough for that to be useful
[17:14] <seb128> would it only be the coming lts which will be supported 5 years
[17:14] <BigWhale> you have a point there ... silly me ...
[17:15] <seb128> then after the lts for the next lts cycle who knows... the world will change, wayland might replace xorg, wms might need lot of changes
[17:16] <seb128> nothing planned that I know about though, I'm just ready to bet that we will not stay put tomorrow, either if compiz is adapted, something else used, something new written... who knows ;-)
[17:16] <BigWhale> I'll think about it.
[18:08] <dan6796> hey
[22:02] <TheMuso> Happy new year folks, and its good to be back.
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, i'm not even back to work yet, and already firing up my hardy VM :/
[22:14] <chrisccoulson> happy new year TheMuso :)
[22:17] <jasoncwarner_> hey everyone...happy new year!
[22:22]  * TheMuso wathces as mail continues to download...
[22:22] <TheMuso> wathes
[22:22] <TheMuso> watches
[22:22] <TheMuso> gah
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> happy new year jasoncwarner_!
[22:25]  * TheMuso is not looking forward to the weather in Budapest... Summer is now starting to show its true colours here in Sydney, and I don't want to have to go back to the cold at all. :)
[22:25] <jasoncwarner_> hey chrisccoulson happy new year... :)
[22:25] <chrisccoulson> i'm looking forward to the weather in budapest. anything is better than the grey, dull, dreary, miserable weather we've had here for weeks ;)
[22:28] <TheMuso> chrisccoulson: We've had a lot of rain this summer so far, to the point where most of us are sick of it. So... precipitation of any kind is not something I want to have to deal with atm... Unelss of course, it is going for a swim in a pool/at the beach.
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> TheMuso, yeah, i wouldn't like any rain. but i'm perfectly ok with cold, crisp weather and a good frost :)
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, did you have a good holiday?
[22:31] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Happy new year!  And congratulations; I don't think I've said that yet :)
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> oh, thanks :)
[23:43] <BigWhale> Are there any compiz hackers working for Canonical/Ubuntu?
[23:44] <RAOF> Yup.
[23:45] <BigWhale> Oh? Where, where? I have questions! :)
[23:45] <RAOF> You'd be looking for smspillaz :)
[23:46] <BigWhale> Awesome!