| khm | Debate between Christianity and Islam :(Is the Bible God's Word?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlA22NNFlDw - E-mail:M4.Guest@Gmail.com | 03:37 |
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| elky | seems to have done it to all the channels | 05:27 |
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| broder | so...no dmb meeting then? | 19:03 |
| cody-somerville | One moment. | 19:04 |
| cody-somerville | bdrung, Laney, micahg, tumbleweed: ping | 19:05 |
| bdrung | pong | 19:06 |
| * micahg is here | 19:06 | |
| tumbleweed | o/ | 19:06 |
| Laney | hai | 19:06 |
| Laney | (somewhat) | 19:06 |
| cody-somerville | Perfect. Looks like we have quorum. | 19:06 |
| cody-somerville | #startmeeting | 19:06 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Mon Jan 2 19:06:58 2012 UTC. The chair is cody-somerville. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 19:06 |
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| cody-somerville | #topic Review of previous action items | 19:07 |
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| cody-somerville | #subtopic cody-somerville to write some documentation on how to endorse someone | 19:07 |
| cody-somerville | I have a draft prepared and will be sending it to DMB mailing list today. | 19:08 |
| cody-somerville | #topic stgraber to create desktop-extra set | 19:08 |
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| cody-somerville | stgraber is absent, will carry action item | 19:08 |
| cody-somerville | #topic bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing | 19:09 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: bdrung to talk to the TB about harmonising DMB members' expiration dates for easier restaffing | ||
| cody-somerville | bdrung, you have the floor :) | 19:09 |
| bdrung | sorry, i haven't asked the TB yet | 19:10 |
| cody-somerville | Acked. Action carried. | 19:11 |
| cody-somerville | #topic MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto | 19:12 |
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| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MahyuddinSusanto/MOTUApplication | 19:12 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, Hello. Could you please indicate you're present by introducing yourself and your application? | 19:12 |
| udienz | Sure | 19:12 |
| udienz | My name is Mahyuddin Susanto, i'm 26 Indonesian. | 19:13 |
| udienz | I have been contributing to universe for almost a year, i started contributing to Ubuntu when binutils-gold transitions. | 19:13 |
| udienz | I'm doing sync, merge, SRU in Ubuntu, perhaps over 100 packages have been uploaded. | 19:13 |
| udienz | In Debian, i stated at least 2 years but for packaging i have been started for a year. I'm Debian Maintainer and my QA page is http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=udienz@ubuntu.com&comaint=yes. I have migrating proftpd/cacti/pdnsd from cdbs (pdnsd), dpatch (proftpd/cacti) to quilt. I'm not always use quilt but quilt is my best chioce for patching system. | 19:13 |
| udienz | I'm also packaging from strach in Ubuntu, named gkamus and aspell-id. All my packages in Debian (with co-maintained) easily sync from Debian. | 19:14 |
| udienz | .enough | 19:14 |
| Laney | why did you choose to package those things directly in Ubuntu? | 19:15 |
| udienz | Laney, it just technical problem. I've already RFS-ing both packages but i'm not got sponsorship in debian | 19:16 |
| Laney | ok | 19:19 |
| Laney | (stupid connection keeps hanging) | 19:19 |
| micahg | udienz: are you aware of the various freezes and what is appropriate to be uploaded during those times? | 19:20 |
| udienz | micahg, yes i aware, during FF i cannot import packages except those packages fixing bugs or really important | 19:21 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, How do you determine if its really important or not? | 19:22 |
| Laney | and who can you ask if unsure? | 19:22 |
| udienz | cody-somerville, depend on bug importance, effecting many users, security bug, ftbfs | 19:22 |
| udienz | Laney, if im unsure i'll ask in #ubuntu-motu first | 19:23 |
| udienz | or #ubuntu-devel | 19:23 |
| micahg | udienz: so, after feature freeze if a lot of users were requesting a new version of a program with new features, you'd upload it? | 19:24 |
| udienz | micahg, i;m not really sure, but if new upstream version fixing many important bug, i'll ask to other dev first rather than direct upload | 19:25 |
| udienz | *i'm not sure | 19:26 |
| tumbleweed | udienz: are you subscribed to ubuntu-devel-announce? | 19:26 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, What role does the release team play and how can they help you? | 19:27 |
| udienz | tumbleweed, yes, also #ubuntu-discuss, #ubuntu-motu | 19:27 |
| bdrung | udienz: he meant the mailing list, not irc channel | 19:27 |
| udienz | cody-somerville, during FF release team will five input wether package accepted or not | 19:28 |
| udienz | bdrung, sorry i mean list | 19:28 |
| udienz | s/ubuntu-discuss/devel-discuss | 19:29 |
| micahg | udienz: are you referring to Feature Freeze or Final Freeze when you say FF | 19:30 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, With your recent merge of laptop-mode-tools, could you explain why you decided to do a merge instead of a sync (maybe after trying to push the change upstream?): https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/laptop-mode-tools/1.60-1ubuntu1 | 19:31 |
| udienz | micahg, Feature Freeze in first and Final Freeze while i answered cody-somerville. Sorry a little panic at here | 19:32 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, No need to panic. :) | 19:32 |
| udienz | cody-somerville, i forget about last change :( | 19:33 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, No problem. Good example of why its not a bad idea to note such reasons in the changelog - to make it easier to remember. | 19:34 |
| cody-somerville | Do any other members have questions before we proceed to vote? | 19:35 |
| tumbleweed | one quick one | 19:35 |
| tumbleweed | jdstrand's concerns were mostly about minor details such as checking the changelog and upload destination | 19:36 |
| tumbleweed | which file is a good one to quickly skim over before uploading? | 19:36 |
| udienz | tumbleweed, sorry. what is skim? | 19:37 |
| tumbleweed | to read quickly, to check for mistakes | 19:38 |
| udienz | tumbleweed, i think patch files and changelog (by read at debdiff) | 19:39 |
| tumbleweed | yes, that's a good idea, when it's short enough to be readable | 19:39 |
| tumbleweed | I also suggest looking at the .changes file, I sometimes notice that I forgot to close bugs, when I look at that | 19:39 |
| micahg | right, it lists as one of the lines in the .changes file all the bugs closed by the upload | 19:40 |
| micahg | udienz: have you ever file for a freeze exception and when do you think it's appropriate to do so? | 19:40 |
| micahg | *filed | 19:41 |
| udienz | micahg, i'm not remember but i haven't filed freeze exceptions. I think when the changes solved important bug. Like my statement before | 19:42 |
| micahg | udienz: have you read the documentation regarding freeze exceptions? | 19:43 |
| udienz | yes | 19:44 |
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| cody-somerville | #vote MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto | 19:47 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto | 19:47 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 19:47 |
| cody-somerville | bdrung is afk at the moment but has voted +1 | 19:49 |
| tumbleweed | +1 [ and please ask the release team if you need any guidance during freezes ] | 19:49 |
| meetingology | +1 [ and please ask the release team if you need any guidance during freezes ] received from tumbleweed | 19:49 |
| cody-somerville | +1 | 19:49 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cody-somerville | 19:49 |
| Laney | +1 | 19:50 |
| meetingology | +1 received from Laney | 19:50 |
| micahg | +0 good work overall, but I'm a little concerned over freezes still (part of the difference between uploading to Ubuntu rather than Debian is knowing what's appropriate when as it comes up a lot more often) | 19:51 |
| meetingology | +0 good work overall, but I'm a little concerned over freezes still (part of the difference between uploading to Ubuntu rather than Debian is knowing what's appropriate when as it comes up a lot more often) received from micahg | 19:51 |
| cody-somerville | #endvote | 19:52 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: MOTU Applications: Mahyuddin Susanto | 19:52 |
| meetingology | Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1 | 19:52 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 19:52 |
| cody-somerville | udienz, Congratulations. Welcome to MOTU. | 19:53 |
| udienz | Thanks cody-somerville, micahg, tumbleweed, Laney and bdrung! | 19:53 |
| Laney | congrats! | 19:53 |
| cody-somerville | #topic Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder | 19:54 |
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| broder | o/ | 19:54 |
| cody-somerville | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EvanBroder/CoreDevApplication | 19:54 |
| cody-somerville | broder, Please introduce yourself and your application. | 19:54 |
| broder | Hi folks. I'm Evan, and I'm applying for core dev. I've been contributing to Ubuntu since late 2008, and I've been a member of MOTU since late 2009 | 19:54 |
| broder | I work a lot on backports and SRUs. I try to help with sponsorship as much as I can | 19:54 |
| broder | Past that it's a lot of pretty random stuff | 19:55 |
| broder | I started at a SF Bay Area startup about a year and a half ago, where I'm basically working on an Ubuntu derivative, which means that I get to spend even more time working on Ubuntu now | 19:55 |
| broder | I also setup http://lintian.ubuntuwire.org/ and have been working to improve it to make it more useful to Ubuntu | 19:56 |
| broder | . | 19:56 |
| cody-somerville | broder, Where do you see yourself in three years? | 19:57 |
| broder | Hmm, I'm not really sure. In terms of Ubuntu, I really value being a part of the developer community, and I don't think that's likely to change. I definitely feel like my involvement in the community is increasing over time, and I think it's possible that I'll hit the high point of that soon, but I don't expect to completely vanish | 20:00 |
| cody-somerville | broder, What do you feel is the most important quality of a strong leader? | 20:02 |
| broder | I think that leadership is about solving problems, whether those are at a technical level, or personal level, or whatever, so the most important thing is to be able to understand problems, and to be able to dig below the surface of problems | 20:06 |
| tumbleweed | I'm a bit afraid to poke your "what I like least about ubuntu" statements, as those are things we spend hours discussing over beer at every UDS | 20:10 |
| broder | I'll admit there that my thoughts in the area aren't quite as fully-baked as I'd like, but I still feel pretty strongly about the overall concept | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | I think you may be right about putting more emphesis on the upstream and less on the gardening, but when we are all gardeners, that's hard | 20:12 |
| tumbleweed | I suppose I should do something about that "put project cleansweep jobs into the sponsorship queue" task... | 20:12 |
| broder | I'm not actually convinced that we're all gardeners, even if we're all garden*ing*. If you look at the people who are top contributors to the project, they're all very skilled developers and debuggers, too | 20:13 |
| tumbleweed | I guess so, and we aren't here for the gardening | 20:13 |
| broder | I do think there's an important side-point that we should be thinking as hard as we can on ways to automate or eliminate gardening | 20:14 |
| cody-somerville | broder, Where do you think time can be found to do upstream patch review? | 20:15 |
| micahg | well, I don't think it's something we can eliminate, but automation can certainly help | 20:15 |
| broder | cody-somerville: We've talked about incorporating operation cleansweep into the responsibilities of patch piloting. I think that's the obvious place to at least start | 20:17 |
| micahg | well, it's already part of patch piloting when people exhaust opportunities in the sponsorship queue | 20:18 |
| cody-somerville | Any additional questions? | 20:18 |
| broder | micahg: It's nominally part of patch piloting, but I don't think that's actually happened in practice. I think getting some items from cleansweep onto the sponsor queue is a prerequisite for that | 20:19 |
| micahg | broder: I've seen people reporting on it in their pilot reports to ubuntu-devel@l.u.c | 20:19 |
| bdrung | broder: you talked about automation. do you see any places where we could add automation? | 20:20 |
| broder | bdrung: Well, I guess one example could be the multiarch stuff. Based on my experiences multiarching the gtkmm stack, I think an initial attempt at multiarch-ification could be done by a script if it had enough awareness of common types of packaging, etc. | 20:22 |
| broder | Obviously the output would need to be sanity checked | 20:22 |
| micahg | if we could only get upstreams to stop hardcoding paths | 20:23 |
| cody-somerville | #vote Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder | 20:24 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder | 20:24 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 20:24 |
| cody-somerville | +1 | 20:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from cody-somerville | 20:24 |
| tumbleweed | +1 | 20:24 |
| meetingology | +1 received from tumbleweed | 20:24 |
| micahg | +1 good packaging work, good project leadership | 20:25 |
| meetingology | +1 good packaging work, good project leadership received from micahg | 20:25 |
| bdrung | +1 | 20:25 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bdrung | 20:25 |
| cody-somerville | Laney provides +1 | 20:25 |
| micahg | stgraber did as well IIRC | 20:25 |
| cody-somerville | stgraber provides +1 | 20:25 |
| cody-somerville | #endvote | 20:25 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Ubuntu Core Developer Applications: Evan Broder | 20:25 |
| meetingology | Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 20:25 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 20:25 |
| micahg | broder: congrats | 20:26 |
| broder | Thanks everybody :-D | 20:26 |
| cody-somerville | broder, Congratulations. Welcome to Core Dev. | 20:26 |
| cody-somerville | broder, If you have any questions about your new responsibilities, please don't hesitate to get in contact with the DMB or a fellow core developer. | 20:26 |
| * broder nods | 20:26 | |
| cody-somerville | Anyhow, that, I believe, concludes today's meeting. | 20:26 |
| bdrung | broder: congrats | 20:26 |
| micahg | cody-somerville: oh, laney also gave a +1 for broder :) | 20:27 |
| micahg | ah, you included that | 20:28 |
| * micahg needs caffeine | 20:28 | |
| cody-somerville | #endmeeting | 20:28 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Mon Jan 2 20:28:12 2012 UTC. | 20:28 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-02-19.06.moin.txt | 20:28 |
| cody-somerville | Thank you folks! Look for meeting minutes and changes in launchpad later today. | 20:28 |
| udienz | broder: Congrats! | 20:28 |
| broder | udienz: thanks, same to you | 20:28 |
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| stgraber | cody-somerville: I created the package set during our last meeting and then updated it based on jbicha's e-mail (that I Cced to the mailing-list), so I guess we can drop that action ;) | 22:09 |
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