[01:33] hey [05:00] hey all [05:00] sorry the constant rejoins [05:00] been setting up my machine [05:02] jono: welcome back [05:03] thanks mhall119 [05:03] do you start on the team tomorrow or next week? [05:03] tomorrow [05:04] should probably get some sleep ahead of then [05:07] mhall119, awesome, I thought it was tomorrow [05:07] lets get on a call when I am online [05:07] ok [05:10] jono: I'm off to sleep, excited about starting tomorrow [05:10] talk to you then [05:10] mhall119, sounds great, let the fun begin! :-) [06:58] aloha [08:06] good mornind everyone [08:06] dpm: welcome back [08:07] hey czajkowski, happy new year :) [08:07] dpm: the same to you, hope you had a great christmas [08:08] yeah, had a good one except for the first 3 days when I was ill. But the rest was great :) [08:08] how was yours? [08:13] it was good thanks, just recovering from a cold now [08:14] ouch [08:15] feliz año ara :) [08:15] hey! feliz año dpm, all :) [12:13] 'lo all [12:42] morning [13:42] ok, google+'s "view ripples" is kind of cool [13:50] mornin [14:15] balloons: dpm: good morning [14:15] cjohnston: good morning [14:15] hey morning mhall119 [14:16] and everyone else for whom it's morning :) [14:38] hey mhall119 [14:38] do you start today? [14:38] yes i do [14:38] man dude [14:39] singlet [14:39] that is exactly what we needed [14:39] no Manual entry for dude [14:39] I knew you were the man for the job! [14:39] jcastro: yeah, davidcalle has started testing it for me [14:39] everything about this is awesome [14:41] jcastro: do you have fixes to any of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/uds-project [14:42] I didn't even know that was a page [14:42] its kinda new [14:43] ok so two things here [14:43] 1) mhall is the new UDS guy, I'm not, (woo!) [14:43] and 2) We have a community web team added to uds.ubuntu.com [14:43] you should be able to see an edit link on each page? [14:43] 1) mhall119 doesn't know the date sponsorship closes [14:44] 2) same with sponsorship prospectus [14:44] ah [14:44] pretty much all of them [14:44] we need to ask bacon [14:44] so you *may* know that stuff.. so i asked you ;-) [14:44] it's fine to ask! [14:45] mhall119: has made it 1.75 hours into his new job "don't ask me ask mhall119!" lol [14:45] lol [14:45] heh [14:45] * mhall119 defaults to "consult the bacon!" [14:45] we werent sure if any of this stuff was communicated around without his involvement [14:46] well, he basically picks those 2 dates himself [14:46] I like the idea of putting it in bug reports though instead [14:46] gotcha [14:46] just CC him on the bugs [14:46] and ask him for the dates [14:46] that way we have a nice workflow [14:47] I mean, you're going to have to mail him anyway [14:47] ya [14:47] thats fine [14:47] might as well do it via a bug like the rest of the distro works [14:47] jcastro: uds-project is for content on uds.ubuntu.com or summit.ubuntu.com, so that summit project is strictly for the code [14:47] that works for me! [14:48] * cjohnston reads between the lines.. "that works for me because UDS isn't mine!" [14:48] ;-) [14:48] in that case, it works for me! [14:48] lol [14:48] well, one of the nice things about moving a project around is setting the next person up correctly [14:49] instead of "well at some point jono picks 2 dates and then lets us know." [14:49] * mhall119 feels setup [14:49] how it should be is "Oh it's T minus 15 weeks, these 4 things needs to happen." [14:49] (this is why I put everything in trello) [14:51] jcastro: speaking of trello, am I added to your boards? [14:51] I can check now [14:52] since I am doing my "getting crushed by email" dance and making todo's out of them [14:52] I'll just add you to all the ubuntu org ones [14:52] speaking of todo's, did you see Allison's Tody project? [14:54] im still trying to find a todo that fits into the way i work [14:54] I've tried them all [14:55] cjohnston: did you see tody? It's nice and simple [14:55] I think it has good potential [14:55] I use tomboy notes [14:55] make a list cross em off [14:55] me too [14:55] I did.. but i need something on my phone too [14:55] do them month by month [14:55] czajkowski: me too, which are okay but not really meant for todos [14:55] mhall119: the one that's called "community team" is the one I use for my day to day stuff [14:55] mhall119: they;'re a note :) to do lists should be notes [14:55] cjohnston: supposedly it's data files can sync with a phone app [14:55] mhall119: basically if you want to assign me something shove a card in there and assign it to me [14:55] <--------- off to get lost in london [14:56] cause i add more than just stuff around here, so it makes sense that i have access on the phone [14:56] So far out of all the note things I've used I hate trello the least [14:56] mostly because it's easy to team share [14:56] I do like that jcastro, I want an android app for it tho [14:57] yeah [14:57] I just use the browser on the tablet as my "status screen" off to the side. [14:57] * cjohnston goes to make a card for jcastro to buy cjohnston a tablet [14:57] in hindsight it wasn't a good purchase [14:57] even at 299 or whatever I got it for [14:58] the one yo got or a tablem? [14:58] tablet [14:58] the tablet [14:58] I got an asus transformer [14:58] (not the new prime) [15:00] czajkowski: have fun [15:00] cjohnston: since I happen to be looking at the trello [15:00] what's the TLDR on the summit sprint? [15:00] there isnt one [15:01] jcastro: with jono's approval, I'm going to get together with cjohnston one or two days next week for a mini-sprint [15:01] ok [15:01] so I can consider my todo on that one to be finished then? [15:01] we still need a full sprint tho to make the changes that are outlined in that bp [15:02] the minisprint will be strictly what linaro wants for lcq1.12 [15:02] yeah, the mini-sprint is just to get it ready for linaro [15:02] ^^ what he said [15:02] cjohnston: I went seatrekking [15:02] over break [15:03] it's like that helmet and you walk on the bottom of the ocean [15:03] fun [15:03] i saw [15:03] how was it [15:03] I wish I was closer to you guys, I would so learn to dive [15:03] it was ok, just makes you want to learn to dive for real [15:03] * mhall119 doesn't know how to dive [15:03] snuba was full, that's originally what I wanted to do [15:03] if you get certified, ill drive down there [15:03] thats where all the good diving is [15:05] jcastro: who's running UDW? [15:08] usually daniel [15:09] ok [15:17] I got stung by a Jelly Fish on the second day of my dive lessons [15:17] that ended the dive lessons... my Uncle did not want anything bad to happen while I was in his care [15:18] mhall119: jcastro: see my mad idea about leaving etherpad chat turned on for summit integration? http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/udspad [15:21] ooh, I like that login integration [15:21] I can't find the chat [15:22] jcastro: bottomr right? [15:26] hey guys, what will you choose btw Xubuntu & Lubuntu ? [15:27] Neither. Unity ☺ [15:27] [15:28] daker: what's the use case? [15:29] personal use [15:31] daker: Lubuntu uses less resources, Xubuntu has better integration and polish [15:31] so depending on which attribute is more important to you [15:31] i want less resources [15:33] then use Lubuntu [15:39] cjohnston: http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/udspad [15:48] AlanBell: you rock [15:49] Aloha everyone [16:06] mhall119, welcome! :-) [16:07] jono: http://alanbell.libertus.co.uk:9001/p/udspad [16:08] please join [16:09] thanks jono [16:09] cjohnston, I am in [16:10] cjohnston, what is this? [16:11] jono: AlanBell's proposal to use for uds instead of using irc [16:11] jono: so the background to this is I was doing a bit of work to etherpad lite as part of a planned upgrade to pad.ubuntu.com [16:11] I was about to rip out the chat facility because we use IRC, but had the crazy thought that maybe we could actually use it [16:11] we are evaluating the crazyness of that idea [16:13] AlanBell, wow, that is cool [16:13] thanks for working on this [16:13] * mhall119 thinks it's just crazy enough to work [16:16] there are pros and cons, it does have some advantages, and it does seem improveable [16:18] I do like the idea of people having their eyes pointing in the direction of both the subject of the UDS session _and_ the chat window. [16:26] popey: the chat window isnt going to be displayed on the projector [16:27] might not be, nothing is decided yet [16:27] but the notification at the very least should be displayed on the projector [16:35] jcastro: you broke trello! [16:37] mhall119: looks like someone has a case of the mondays [16:37] popey: yeah I agree, I like the chat always visible [16:37] chat column on the right, bottom pane with the next set of sessions, all in one window [16:38] that frees up an entire projector for other things, instead of chat on one, notes on the other. [16:38] well initially I was suggesting the irc projector should just point next to the other one [16:39] because people have a tendancy to look at the non-irc projector [16:40] personally I never used the projector to read IRC, it wasn't comfortable [16:40] it was more to tell me that someone *was* talking, so I know to check my laptop [16:41] so for me, just having the popup notifications will serve the same purpose [16:42] quite a number of people don't bring laptops into sessions [16:43] jono: I can go anytime today btw. [16:43] thanks jcastro [16:43] will do it in a bit [16:45] popey: how many of them were keeping up with IRC on the projector? [16:46] i have no data for that [16:46] mhall119: welcome btw [16:46] popey: welcome? [16:46] mhall119: didnt you start today? [16:46] on jono's team, yeah [16:47] \o/ [16:47] popey: I agree with you, I didn't tend to like reading the projector. [16:47] *for irc [16:50] who knew if you wanted to start a fire it is impossible. No ligher or matches in the apt and I wanted to light candles to get rod of the smelly cheese [16:55] \o/ smelly cheese [16:56] yuck and we have a ton of it from NYE [16:56] also manual tin openers are a pain , have had to stab 2 tins open [16:56] made yummy brown stew :) [17:05] rubbing eyes after chopping onions is not wise [17:06] rubbing eyes after chopping chili pepers is even less wise [17:06] indeed [17:12] <--- lunching be back in 45! [17:16] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/o19jg/canonical_to_have_showing_at_ces_announcing/ [17:16] haha [17:17] but nothing from OMG yet? [17:17] * mhall119 is disappointed [17:29] with exclusive concept designs [17:30] wonder if it will be this? http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unitytelly/pages/launcher.png [17:33] heh [17:34] hehe [17:34] if it doesn't then a crime has occured [17:44] mhall119: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/canonical-to-reveal-ubuntu-concept-design-at-ces-2012/ [17:44] ah, there it is, thanks popey [17:45] wouldn't want you to miss out ☺ [17:47] mhall119: hey [17:47] at some point this week [17:47] jcastro: 'sup? [17:47] we should talk about how to collect all this lens work [17:47] too many spread over too many PPAs [17:47] jcastro: yes, get davidcalle in too [17:47] we should work as a whole to deliver as many to these in 12.04 as popular [17:48] wow, nice sentence castro [17:48] we definitely need some kind of focus or target [17:48] heh [17:48] drinking with lunch were you? [17:48] ah I see [17:48] he has a scopes PPA [17:48] basically we need to figure out how to ppa->repo [17:48] the onehundredscopes, yes [17:49] heh, luckily all the cool ones are in one place. [17:49] jcastro: that'll depend on whether we want to target Universe or Main [17:49] I would put all the non default ones in universe [17:50] it doesn't really matter to the end user where they live actually, USC shows them all [17:50] true, and people writing lenses shouldn't mind apt-get installing singlet from universe [17:54] Did anyone want a launchpad lens? [17:55] that would be neat [17:55] Projects and bugs, searching, not sure what else is needed. [17:57] doctormon, hey [17:57] I approved https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-ux-participation so it appears on my team's burndown, so I will be pestering you for work items to be completed :-) [17:57] mhall119: keep this handy: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#lenses [17:58] mhall119: mpt is working on how to present the lenses in USC [17:58] jono: that's great. [17:58] Now mpt will be happy too. [17:58] doctormon, could you please ensure that items for [ubuntu-design] and [communitycouncil] are assigned to specific people? [18:00] doctormon, I have just removed it from approval until those items are finalized, then I will approve it [18:00] just ping me when they are assigned [18:00] doctormon: a launchpad lens would be great [18:00] jcastro: cool [18:03] jono: Everything's assigned, the blueprint wasn't updated; now it is. [18:05] thanks doctormon [18:05] doctormon, approved now [18:05] thanks :-) [18:05] Thanks jono. [18:06] mhall119: The lens is basically written, but it's _slow_. Snail in swamp slow. [18:07] doctormon: because oh lp? [18:07] ;-) [18:08] some of my LTP stuff was slow too [18:08] the askubuntu lens had the same problem [18:08] so they took the offline data dump [18:08] and made it a package [18:08] so that most of the queries stay local [18:09] it helped a little when I limited what it would check until the user entered more than 3 characters in the search [18:09] it's quite clever [18:09] That's clever indeed. [18:09] I suspect we'd need a caching best-practice thing for lenses [18:09] Do you know if they used xapian for that? [18:09] not just for performance, but if I'm on a plane [18:09] and paying, I don't want my lens to be network busy [18:10] Actually I don';t know, do lenses have a active state switch? [18:10] lp:askubuntu-lens [18:10] not sure if they used xapian [18:13] the bummer we ran into [18:13] is that google used to have an API for this [18:13] that was _fast_ [18:13] the first version of the AU lens did this [18:13] but then google switched to a pay model for app authors to use their API like that [18:13] so Aq and I looked at some options [18:13] How much money was it? [18:13] all the major search engines charge [18:14] it was like, free per key until 20k requests [18:14] 20k requests per ....? [18:14] And then bulk amounts? Hmm, if the experience was worth it, it would be something to tie into UbuntuOne. [18:14] per API key [18:15] already looked into that [18:15] it got expensive REAL quick [18:15] oh, so not even per key per month? [18:15] aq even looked at if it was possible to do like ubuntu does with the firefox search [18:15] where we can refer, maybe make some microcents [18:15] but no go there [18:16] Bing was also expensive [18:16] I can see it not, Google Search Lens [18:16] DDG didn't provide an API like that [18:16] Hmm, set up our own indexer? [18:16] one category for results, another category for ads [18:17] how should lenses ask for login credentials? [18:17] I admit indexing the entire internet might not seem like a lot of sense. But if we want things like ubuntone, we have a limited scope. [18:17] AlanBell: there isn't anything special about a lens in that regard, it'd be like any other app [18:17] AlanBell: I consider my services off-line until their authenticated. [18:17] AlanBell: but I did hear that the ayatana team was talking about a way to commonly handle authentication and credentials for lenses, so you might ask what them what the plan is [18:17] they're [18:18] mhall119: yeah, I kind of want something common and integrated [18:18] mhall119: I hope they're thinking more widely than that, there is a real need for a global desktop authentication system. [18:19] doctormon: that's what they did: http://askubuntu.quickmediasolutions.com/ [18:19] so the lens would in it's own window ask for username and password and have a way to hold that for the session [18:19] doctormon: I agree, unfortunately after talking to Gnome devs about gnome-online-accounts, that doesn't seem like an option for it [18:19] wrote their own indexer since the built in site API was kind of slow and not as good as google [18:19] so the lens actually pings this and then they search the site, then apply some search algo's on the results, then return it to the lens [18:19] AlanBell: it would be nicer if the lens could store credentials in ~/.config/ somewhere instead [18:20] stefano's PHD is in search so he was like doing this for his research [18:20] mhall119: The last thing you do is talk to gnome devs, first try wishing on a star. Global (and non-gnome) services are alien to them. [18:20] mhall119: sure, but first they have to be obtained from the user somehow [18:20] doctormon: maybe, but it's "gnome-online-accounts", it sounds like it was made exactly for this [18:20] doing a popup box in front of a lens seems bad (and would probably go behind the lens) [18:21] AlanBell: What kind of authentication do you need? [18:21] AlanBell: yeah, you might have your lens only return a single result item that, when clicked, pulls up the auth dialog [18:21] yeah so long story short, forget about taking slow web APIs and piping them through google instead. [18:21] doctormon: username and password to log into vtiger or openERP [18:21] AlanBell: basic http credentials? [18:21] basic http, yes [18:22] AlanBell: like, return a "Log In" result item if you don't have credentials, regardless of their search [18:22] Thanks jcastro, must have been a lot of leg work to find out it was impossible. [18:22] it's not impossible, just expensive [18:22] it's a real reflection of the lack of competition in search I'm afraid [18:22] jcastro: Same thing surely? [18:22] mhall119: that is a good ugly hack of a workaround! [18:23] doctormon: depends on how rick you are ;) [18:23] rich [18:23] the thing is, search engines don't want applications to integrate them, they want you to use their site so you can see ads. [18:23] mhall119: Things aren't expensive if you can afford them ;-) [18:24] I own expensive things [18:24] How very humble of you. [18:24] :) [18:24] it's one API per app, that means you'd have to pay for everyone [18:24] if it was like "oh you get 20k requests per user and then we'll bill the user" then that would be easy [18:25] jcastro: and you can't get an OAuth token or something from the user's account to use? [18:25] not afaict [18:25] too bad [18:25] this information is 6 months old [18:28] mhall119: also [18:28] mhall119: might be a good idea to summarize all of david's work in one post for planet [18:28] so much good stuff, but it's all on G+ [18:28] needs to be pushed out to the greater ubuntu community [18:28] it's just too awesome [18:29] I based my openERP lens on the porn lens [18:29] jono: you need one of these: http://ubuntuone.com/6qo0YoSWxnZIKmj8LnpyQv [18:29] it helped me make sure that I read every single line to ensure I had no leftover bits from the source lens [18:30] lol [18:30] jcastro: agreed, is he on planet? [18:30] for a while it was possible to filter customers and invoices by gender and preference [18:30] mhall119: not sure [19:08] mhall119: I have the fadein/pause/fadeout effect on for the notifications now [19:10] AlanBell: I like that better, thanks [19:13] jono: yo yo [19:36] czajkowski: I hate to bother you again about this, but "14:35 [Freenode] >>> Cannot join #ubuntu-lococouncil without an Invite" [19:37] greg-g: can you /msg chanserv invite #ubuntu-lococouncil ? [19:38] mhall119: oh, weird, I didn't know about that [19:38] I can invite myself? that seems odd ;) [19:38] czajkowski: nevermind [19:39] greg-g: not everybody can invite themselves [19:39] but as part of the loco-council, you should be able to invite yourself [19:40] weird that I have to invite myself, oh well, added that to my autosend commands in irssi [19:59] odd also as you have the same flags as others [20:44] czajkowski: question regarding the twinning process [20:44] :) [20:45] do you want me to contact direcly the team we propose tohelp ? [20:45] oh and happy new year my dear, with lots of good things, health and munster win's (execpt vs Toulouse of course) [20:49] of course [21:01] mhall119, sorry, give me a few mins [21:01] wrapping something [21:01] jono: no problem [21:09] mhall119, let's roll, G+ work for you? [21:11] yup [21:11] :D [21:12] mhall119, invite sent [21:12] first team meeting with mhall119 :-) [21:46] :( How do you explain to a Librarian what FOSS and Ubuntu are? :) Somehow I can't convince this librarian I'm corresponding with that Ubuntu is free and not owned by a company [21:46] :D [21:46] Wikipedia articles dont seem to be helping :P [21:47] bkerensa: recommend some Lawrence Lessig? [21:47] heh [21:47] or make parallels to a coop? [21:48] or fall back on the foss-as-hippie-commune thing :P [21:51] * bkerensa is just trying to get a room at a library so people in rural part of our state can have a Ubuntu meet but this guy seems to think Ubuntu is a product produced by a corporation :P [21:51] it is [21:51] "it's a computer club" [21:52] imho your not very good librarian if you cant do some research or click on the wikipedia articles I sent :D [21:52] Ubuntu is lots of things, and 'a product made by a company' is certainly one of them [21:52] along with many other definitions [21:52] is the librarian familiar with LUGs? [21:52] maco: I don't think he happens to be familiar with anything in the realm of technology [21:52] :( [21:52] bkerensa: I prefer the explaination of it being produced by a corporation rather than a hippie [21:53] * maco puts a flower in czajkowski's hair [21:53] it'll fall out, hair is too thick :) [21:53] czajkowski: If it is produced by a corporation then our LoCo is not going to be able to use a Library that or we have to pony up some nice cash [21:53] sponsored by perhaps [21:54] the development is sponsored by canonical [21:54] bkerensa: but it is, and if you try adn hide the fact... [21:54] I think producing and sponsoring something is two different things... Not trying to hide facts... [21:54]