[01:33]  * TheMuso suspends today's email processing for a break...
[02:19] <RAOF> Heh.  You know what makes gnome-shell substantially less usable?  Having the mouse cursor freuqently teleport to (0,0) and activate the overlay :)
[02:19] <TheMuso> Oh lovely.
[02:21] <RAOF> It's highly likely to be related to the 1.11/1.12 frankenserver this laptop's running.  Chase needs to hunt down that bug before we migrate everything out of the PPA into Precise. :)
[02:35] <TheMuso> heh
[06:32] <didrocks> good morning and happy new year!
[06:33] <RAOF> Hey, ho, didrocks!
[06:33] <didrocks> hey RAOF! How are you?
[06:33] <RAOF> Pretty good.
[07:20] <pitti> Good morning
[07:20] <pitti> happy new year everyone!
[07:22] <rickspencer3> good morning pitti
[07:22] <pitti> hey rickspencer3, how are you? had some nice holidays?
[07:26] <didrocks> good morning, pitti, rickspencer3! Happy new year!
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: bonjour! ca va?
[07:26] <didrocks> pitti: ça va bien :) good holidays there, and you?
[07:26] <pitti> didrocks: same here, we spent all the time in Dresden and returned yesterday
[07:27] <rickspencer3> hi didrocks
[07:27] <pitti> lots of time to meet friends and family, go for some hiking, etc., much easier than the rather cramped and short weekend trips
[07:27] <rickspencer3> bon fête et bon santé didrocks
[07:27] <pitti> I even brought back a cold :)
[07:27] <rickspencer3> pitti, I've had a cold for the last week as well :/
[07:27] <didrocks> bonne année à toi aussi rickspencer3 :)
[07:27] <didrocks> pitti: argh, cold :/
[07:28] <pitti> yeah, half of the people we met had one, so eventually I just had to follow up :(
[07:28] <pitti> but it'll be gone by Budapest
[07:28] <rickspencer3> pitti, my thoughts exactly, I will be inoculated by Budapest next week ;)
[07:29] <didrocks> lots of video games for me and catching up by years of no real video game time there :) (in addition to some time with my family), the only bad thing is that Julie didn't get any holidays
[07:32] <pitti> didrocks: uh, none at all, not even for xmas?
[07:33] <didrocks> pitti: no, as it was on sunday
[07:33] <RAOF> We do that right in Australia.
[07:33] <pitti> hey RAOF, happy new year!
[07:33] <RAOF> If a public holiday falls on a weekend, we damn well take the next weekday off!
[07:33] <didrocks> pitti: she just didn't work on the friday afternoon (but as her hours are counted, this is not really a gift) as there was nothing to be done
[07:33] <RAOF> NO ONE SHALL DEPRIVE US OF OUR RIGHTFUL HOLIDAYS!
[07:33] <didrocks> RAOF: heh, not in France :)
[07:34] <didrocks> so we don't have the same number of bank holidays every years :)
[07:34] <RAOF> pitti: Happy new year!
[07:41] <pitti> didrocks: btw, you know that compiz-plugins-main is stuck in oneiric-proposed because of the missing precise uploads, right?
[07:41] <pitti> didrocks: I guess that'll solve itself by the impending releases
[07:42] <RAOF> Oh!  A shiny new unity that'll work without multitouch? :)
[07:46] <didrocks> pitti: indeed, it will be in the new release. As you accepted the previous compiz/nux upload for this (as we wait tests for the incoming release first), I thought this would be on the same page
[08:01] <tjaalton> RAOF: what where?
[08:01] <tjaalton> oh
[08:04] <RAOF> tjaalton: :)
[08:04] <tjaalton> yeah been using gnome-shell for the past few weeks
[08:14] <RAOF> tjaalton: Have you noticed synaptics throwing the cursor up to (0,0) with annoying frequency, or is that just my hardware?
[08:14] <RAOF> If so: doesn't it drive you *mad*?
[08:15] <tjaalton> RAOF: well, synaptics drives me mad, so I've disabled the hw :)
[08:15] <tjaalton> though I could test the behaviour..
[08:15] <RAOF> Oh, yeah.  You said that before :)
[08:17] <tjaalton> hm, how does one reboot from gnome-shell?
[08:17] <RAOF> This laptop doesn't have a nubbin, and the *other* laptop has a bad harddrive that causes a wonderful conflux of firefox/ecryptfs/btrfs/syslog interaction.
[08:17] <RAOF> tjaalton: I *think* you need to hold down alt?
[08:17] <RAOF> While opening up the menu?
[08:18] <tjaalton> ha, yeah that did it
[08:18] <BigWhale> Good morning everyone.
[08:18] <tjaalton> how discoverable..
[08:18] <RAOF> Discoverability™
[08:18] <RAOF> No one ever needs to do something so *crass* as to reboot their system.
[08:18] <BigWhale> RAOF, I agree! It just messes up with your uptime records! :>
[08:25] <tjaalton> RAOF: confirmed :)
[08:27] <RAOF> tjaalton: Pretty fun, isn't it? :)
[08:27] <tjaalton> hilarious
[08:28] <RAOF> It interacts particularly well with (0,0) being the Activities hot corner!
[08:30] <tjaalton> heh, yeah
[08:30] <tjaalton> oh well, purged the driver for now
[08:59]  * bryceh waves
[09:03] <chrisccoulson> good morning desktoppers!
[09:04] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson, good morning and happy new year!
[09:04] <pitti> bryceh: hello, and happy new year!
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, happy new year to you too :)
[09:04] <chrisccoulson> did you have a good break?
[09:04] <bryceh> heya pitti
[09:05] <pitti> yes I did, no computer time and lots of family and friends :)
[09:05] <didrocks> good morning chrisccoulson, happy new year! :)
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> happy new year didrocks :)
[09:06] <chrisccoulson> pitti, yeah, i managed to avoid my computer for a few days as well
[09:07] <chrisccoulson> and it shows! i've got all of this to fix today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/10.0 ;)
[09:08] <pitti> chrisccoulson: heh, I feel the same; lots of mail/bug/etc. backlog :(
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, the mail backlog is the worst part ;)
[09:15] <chrisccoulson> https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/153959177998446592 :-)
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: yay!
[09:16] <pitti> chrisccoulson: good luck with that; I have tried and succeeded at it for a fair while, but these days it's more like inbox 5 for me
[09:16] <pitti> there's always some mails which take ages or blocked
[09:16] <bryceh> I've been doing inbox zero for some months now
[09:16] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, i'm currently at around inbox 25000 ;)
[09:17] <pitti> urgh
[09:17] <seb128> hey
[09:17] <bryceh> chrisccoulson, sounds like a job for procmail
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hey seb128
[09:17] <bryceh> heya seb128 happy new years
[09:17] <seb128> hey chrisccoulson, wb officially today ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> how are you?
[09:17] <seb128> hey bryceh, happy new year to you as well!
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> thanks :)
[09:18] <didrocks> bonne année seb128 :)
[09:18] <seb128> oh a didrocks
[09:18] <seb128> didrocks, bonne année !
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, I was a bit concerned about you being not there yesterday, I'm glad you are back ;-)
[09:19] <pitti> bonjour seb128, happy new year! *hug*
[09:19] <seb128> didrocks, I was wondering if you decided holidays were too nice and that you wouldn't go back to work :p
[09:19] <bryceh> pitti, yeah I force myself to bring it to zero at least once a week, even if that means moving some ongoing items into the todo list
[09:19] <didrocks> seb128: no, I  had a 16 days of holidays reminaining, hence the swap between friday 9th december to yesterday
[09:19] <seb128> pitti, happy new year to you as well! *hug*
[09:19] <pitti> bryceh: right, maintaining a proper TODO list is a nice solution for this
[09:20] <seb128> didrocks, oh ok, I was not sure if you said you put all your days before the holidays and you were not marked on holidays or swap in canonicaladmin
[09:20] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, I just talk to jason about swapping friday and yesterday as it was not realistic that I can go on holidays the 9th december with all the remaining tasks I had before holidays
[09:21] <didrocks> but I managed them and finished on friday at 5:30pm despite a lot of surprises on that day :p
[09:22] <rickspencer3> pitti, deactivating me from the canonical-desktop team won't stop me from assigning bugs ;)
[09:24] <baptistemm> hey there
[09:24] <baptistemm> happy new year everyone
[09:24] <pitti> baptistemm: bonjour, happy new year!
[09:24] <baptistemm> salut Pitty
[09:24] <seb128> rickspencer3, bonne année !
[09:25] <seb128> baptistemm, happy new year ;-)
[09:25] <baptistemm> salut seb128
[09:25] <baptistemm> bonne annee
[09:25] <rickspencer3> seb128,  bonne année et bon santé
[09:25] <bryceh> hi rickspencer3 happy new years
[09:25] <rickspencer3> hiya bryceh
[09:25] <seb128> rickspencer3, oh, merci, à toi aussi !
[09:26] <rickspencer3> good evening?
[09:26] <rickspencer3> bryceh, is it not 1:36am for you?
[09:26] <bryceh> rickspencer3, yep
[09:26] <rickspencer3> night owl
[09:27] <bryceh> indeed; but helps when its time for the 2am feedings, and consoling sick kids
[09:28] <lifeless> bryceh: young baby?
[09:28] <baptistemm> congrats chrisccoulson for the new baby coming
[09:28] <bryceh> lifeless, 4mo
[09:29] <lifeless> bryceh: ~same as cynthia; I'm told it gets better ;)
[09:29] <bryceh> ah wait, 5 months
[09:29] <bryceh> lifeless, yep, she's our second so we've been through it all
[09:30] <pitti> seb128: btw, I created bug 911125 from doko's recent main rebuild test
[09:30] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911125 in yelp "FTBFS due to removed g_thread_init" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911125
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> baptistemm, thanks :)
[09:31] <pitti> seb128: some fallout from gnome 3.2 vs. new glib (but should be easy to fix)
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, right, the easy way is to no set G_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
[09:32] <bryceh> lifeless, hope you had some fun times over the holiday with your new daughter? she starting to become interactive?
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: but g_thread_init() disappeared entirely
[09:32] <seb128> pitti, no it didn't
[09:32] <pitti> seb128: it's been deprecated since 2.24
[09:32] <pitti> uh?
[09:32] <seb128> it would be an abi break
[09:32] <pitti> ah, ok
[09:33] <lifeless> bryceh: beginning yes; she burbles a lot, tracks us very very well, rolls from front to back in a millisecond
[09:33] <seb128> pitti, see /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/deprecated/gthread.h
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, they just moved it in the deprecated dir
[09:34] <pitti> seb128: ok, thanks; I updated the description accordingly
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, which is only included when you don't turn deprecate off
[09:34] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[09:55] <bryceh> lifeless, nice, my daughter Zoë has just started rolling over this past week (mostly back to front), but she can scoot herself across the room on her back no prob
[09:55] <lifeless> bryceh: heh, cynthia hasn't worked out scooting along yet ;)
[09:56] <lifeless> bryceh: she just looks around pitifully and bawls :(
[09:56] <lifeless> bryceh: gnight
[09:57] <bryceh> lifeless, nite
[10:22] <seb128> re
[10:23] <seb128> pitti, urg, I really dislike the one bug to track all the ftbfs issues style, can't we open different bugs and tag them or give a list to the team next time?
[10:24] <pitti> seb128: ok, will do next time; doko asked for tracking this, and as it's the same problem in multiple packages tasks seemed appropriate
[10:24] <seb128> pitti, the way you did it means that people subscribed to any of the listed component will get emails for every change to any of components
[10:24] <seb128> like if I care about dbus I will get 250 spams for things I don't care about
[10:25] <seb128> pitti, yeah, the feature makes sense until you get spammed for 2 months on a bug where you fixed your part and get emails from discussions still going for universe stuff ;-)
[10:25] <seb128> (been there before)
[10:25] <pitti> ok, noted
[10:25] <seb128> thanks
[10:26] <soren> seb128: You know you can mute bug mail from a single bug, right?
[10:26] <pitti> FTR, /me merges gnome-keyring and fixes FTBFS along
[10:26] <seb128> soren, right, but I can't mute comments that don't concern the components I care about
[10:26] <soren> seb128: Right, no, but once you've fixed you part, you can just mute the bug.
[10:26] <seb128> soren, because comments are not targetted to a particular of the 15 listed components
[10:26] <seb128> soren, well I would like to know if there is an issue with my fix :p
[10:27] <soren> seb128: Ah, good point.
[10:27] <seb128> that launchpad feature is really to track one bug that need change on different sources
[10:27] <seb128> not to track similar bugs across the archive ;-)
[10:27] <seb128> we have tags for that
[10:28] <seb128> or we would open a "ftbfs in precise" bug and liste 500 sources in there ;-)
[10:28]  * didrocks opens
[10:28] <didrocks> :-)
[10:28] <pitti> (not the same root cause, though)
[10:29] <pitti> but yes, I see what you mean
[10:29] <pitti> so, tags in the future
[10:31] <seb128> pitti, thanks, sorry for being picky but I got bitten by such bugs in the past ;-) (at a time where launchpad didn't have bug muting though, I will just use that for this one)
[10:32] <seb128> pitti, btw you can update yelp to 3.3 if you want
[10:32] <seb128> it's on the list of standalone applications that we said we would update to 3.4
[10:32] <seb128> that should fix the ftbfs as well I guess
[10:32] <pitti> ah, sounds good
[10:32] <pitti> yes, for the gnome stuff I figure all of the fixes are already in upstream git
[10:33] <seb128> mostly yes
[10:33] <seb128> I was pondering dropping part of gnome-utils and doing updates as well
[10:33] <seb128> they made standalone vcs and tarballs for each components in the new cycle
[10:33] <pitti> I followed that discussion on desktop-devel, indeed
[10:33] <pitti> it seems relatively harmless
[10:34] <pitti> (either way)
[10:34] <seb128> we can package things we care about
[10:34] <seb128> I started on gnome-screenshot before the holidays
[10:34] <pitti> but I thought we should do it in Debian and sync, instead of doing the work twice and then have to merge
[10:35] <seb128> yeah
[10:35] <seb128> I should commit my work to the pkg-gnome svn
[10:35] <seb128> but I'm not sure if Debian will get 3.4 for wheezy
[10:35] <pitti> should be fine in experimental?
[10:36] <seb128> I guess so
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, do you have any clue about the amd64 retracer issues? it was down during the holidays, I untag the bug it was having issue with yesterday but it has been hitting a similar one again
[10:44] <seb128>   File "apport/bin/crash-digger", line 100, in retrace_next
[10:44] <seb128>     raise SystemError('retracing #%i failed' % id)
[10:44] <seb128> SystemError: retracing #909509 failed
[10:44] <pitti> seb128: dup db confusion again; it's high on my list
[10:44] <seb128> "but database already has that signature for ID 905105
[10:44] <seb128> "
[10:44] <pitti> I'll fix/workaround it today
[10:44] <seb128> pitti, thanks
[10:45] <seb128> should I untag that bug and remove the lock meanwhile?
[10:45] <seb128> hum in fact no hurry, ignore that
[10:45] <pitti> if you remember to re-tag it, sure
[10:45] <seb128> we can wait for you to look at it
[10:46] <seb128> ok, similar to yesterday, both evince bugs
[10:46] <seb128> I untag and delete the lock, will retag those 2 later
[10:46] <pitti> I bet it's again due to some internal __strlen_sse_whatever stuff
[10:46] <pitti> I need to unwind those
[10:47] <seb128> yeah, the one I untag yesterday had that
[10:47] <pitti> they are useless and skew duplication detection
[10:47] <pitti> seb128: or just mark them as dupes
[10:47] <pitti> that'll help, too
[10:47] <seb128> "SIGSEGV in __strchr_sse2()"
[10:47] <seb128> pitti, so I clean them by hand?
[10:47] <pitti> right, it should use the "real" function for this, not the internal one
[10:48] <pitti> seb128: I'd find the existing master bug (the one in the exception message, bug 905105) and dupe
[10:48] <seb128> pitti, ok thanks
[10:48] <pitti> but the logic needs to be fixed as well, of course, I can do that
[10:49] <pitti> I added that assertion to ensure that we don't screw up the dup db
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: hm, g_module_* stuff isn't deprecated, is it?
[10:53] <pitti> seb128: gnome-keyring fails to build due to undefined reference to `g_module_open' and others
[10:53] <pitti> it does link to -lglib-2.0, and I added #include <gmodule.h>
[10:53] <pitti> does that ring a bell?
[10:54] <seb128> pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/?id=30915a6fc4b95bbe6a5da224f731480e78bbaf83
[10:54] <seb128> ?
[10:55] <pitti> seb128: no, that's not it; but I'll dig it out
[10:55] <pitti> gck/ entirely disappeared from trunk
[10:55] <seb128> pitti, doesn't right a bell sorry
[10:55] <seb128> oh
[10:56] <pitti> bde64e94 fixes the g_thread deprecations
[10:56] <seb128> pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/log/
[10:56] <pitti> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/commit/?id=15db61820f7cf2cd0a2631115c881367c7afc3c4 ?
[10:56] <pitti> hm, no
[10:56] <seb128> could be
[10:57] <pitti> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/commit/?id=290b322a2bbaa81c3f00f9241228ed38672fb03f could work, trying
[10:57] <pitti> oh, that's gcr
[10:59] <seb128> pitti, gcr has the gcr and gck libs it seems
[10:59] <seb128> well anyway I will let you sort it, I've no clue about this one
[10:59] <pitti> ack, thanks
[11:00] <ricotz> gmodules arent pulled in automatically anymore you need to explicitly link to it
[11:00] <ricotz> hi
[11:00] <pitti> hey ricotz, gesundes Neues!
[11:00] <ricotz> pitti, danke, für dich auch!
[11:00] <pitti> oh, -lgmodule-2.0
[11:00] <ricotz> yes
[11:01] <ricotz> glib.pc doesnt include it anymore
[11:01] <pitti> so I need to add gmodule-2.0.pc to configure.ac
[11:01] <pitti> upstream gcr git head builds, so no need to forward it upstream
[11:03] <ricotz> pitti, yes
[11:03] <seb128> rickspencer3, smuxi?! ;-)
[11:03] <rickspencer3> I said it was low
[11:03] <ricotz> this will solve the gmodule references not sure about possible gthread issues
[11:04] <rickspencer3> j'aime bien smuxi
[11:28] <chrisccoulson> i'm really happy to be using a 24" monitor now :)
[11:31] <seb128> hehe
[11:31] <seb128> I've one for over a year and it's great indeed ;-)
[11:34] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i had a 22" before. but we had a 24" on the desktop, so i did a swap over christmas
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> hopefully jo doesn't notice her monitor shrank by 2"
[11:35] <seb128> lol
[11:35] <seb128> you will be in trouble ;-)
[11:35] <chrisccoulson> heh
[11:35] <seb128> you can always say that ruby switched them, but I guess that's not going to work :p
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> lol
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> hi mvo, how are you?
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> do you fancy uploading the latest aptdaemon from trunk?
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[11:53] <chrisccoulson> i need this so that software-center works again: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/revision/755 ;)
[11:58] <didrocks> am I the only one without any css for launchpad?
[11:58] <pitti> WFM
[11:59] <didrocks> hum, weird…
[11:59] <seb128> didrocks, seems to work there as well
[12:00] <seb128> (using firefox)
[12:00] <nessita> hello everyone! is there any specific IRC channel I can ask questions regarding unity 2d?
[12:00] <seb128> hey nessita, happy new year!
[12:00] <didrocks> seb128: ok, maybe there is a proxy issue with my ISP, no big deal though
[12:00] <seb128> nessita, try #ayatana I guess
[12:01] <didrocks> thanks for confirming :)
[12:01] <nessita> hello seb128! thanks. You too :-)
[12:01] <didrocks> hey nessita, happy new year!
[12:01] <nessita> didrocks: hello! thanks! :-)
[12:01] <nessita> didrocks: remember the thing I mentioned at UDS regarding the F10 key in the gnome-terminal under unity?
[12:03] <didrocks> nessita: yes, the option not working, right?
[12:03] <nessita> didrocks: right, every time I press F10 the menu of the window will open instead of forward the event to the program running in the terminal
[12:04] <didrocks> nessita: you unchecked the "activate shortcuts to access the menu", isn't it?
[12:04] <didrocks> in file -> shortcuts
[12:04] <pitti> nessita: happy new year!
[12:05] <nessita> didrocks: yes, under Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts I unchecked "Enable the menu shortcut key (F10 by default)"
[12:05] <nessita> pitti: hi there!!! thanks, you too :-)
[12:06] <didrocks> nessita: yeah so the event is still forwarded to the app IIRC, seems a dbusmenu issue
[12:06] <didrocks> nessita: I think you should ping tedg maybe
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, it could be your browser ;)
[12:07] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[12:07] <nessita> didrocks: thanks!
[12:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no chance, is my firefox-nvidia-launchpad issue fixed yet? :p
[12:08] <chrisccoulson> heh
[12:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: ok, it's kinda fixed with no css thanks to my ISP :)
[12:08] <chrisccoulson> i can haz some nvidia hardware to test?
[12:08] <didrocks> baked or rebaked? :)
[12:09] <chrisccoulson> i've got an nvidia card in my desktop here, but it's way to fast to recreate your bug ;)
[12:23] <pitti> seb128: yelp updated to 3.3.2, and g_thread stuff fixed (and sent upstream)
[12:23]  * pitti -> lunch
[12:25] <mvo> chrisccoulson: sure
[12:34] <seb128> pitti, danke
[12:34] <seb128> (back from lunch here)
[12:38] <tjaalton> is there a way to hibernate from the precise unity gui?
[12:39] <seb128> tjaalton, same as always, open the session indicator in the top right and pick hibernate?
[12:40] <tjaalton> seb128: don't have that option, only suspend and shutdown
[12:40] <tjaalton> fresh install
[12:40] <tjaalton> hmm
[12:40] <seb128> oh, I think hibernate is off by default
[12:40] <tjaalton> yeah there's enough swap
[12:41] <seb128> it's a question for pitti when he's back
[12:41] <seb128> he turned it off somewhere by default
[12:41] <tjaalton> ok so it's possibly editable from dconf-editor
[12:42] <seb128> I don't think it's in gsettings, it's rather an etc file I think
[12:42] <tjaalton> ah, ok
[12:42] <seb128> like a polkit or upower setting
[12:42] <tjaalton> yeah not seeing it
[12:42] <seb128> but I can't remember where it is now, wait for pitti to be back
[12:43] <tjaalton> sure
[12:43] <tjaalton> thanks
[12:43] <seb128> tjaalton, try looking at /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla
[12:44] <seb128> ok, found it
[12:44] <seb128> tjaalton, bug #812394
[12:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 812394 in ayatana-design "Disable hibernate option by default" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812394
[12:45] <BigWhale> omg
[12:45] <BigWhale> my unity died and didn't come back
[12:45] <seb128> go to a vt and run "unity"
[12:45] <BigWhale> yeah.. I did that :)
[12:46] <tjaalton> seb128: great, thanks
[12:46] <seb128> yw
[12:46] <BigWhale> I blame the resize info plugin for compiz...
[12:51] <chrisccoulson> mvo, thanks for doing the upload :)
[12:52] <mvo> yw
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, when did gdbus land in glib (ie, which release)?
[12:53] <chrisccoulson> ah, 2.26
[12:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, right
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> ok, goodbye apturl dependency :)
[12:58] <chrisccoulson> i'm no longer the only person depending on that
[13:12] <pitti> tjaalton: yep, that's it; not that easy to find, though
[13:15] <tjaalton> pitti: yeah, hope to have a config option for it before the release..
[13:15] <seb128> tjaalton, see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECxTfM0hvsbWT2BxA/edit?hl=en_GB section 2.3
[13:16] <seb128> tjaalton, i.e it "should" happen (if it doesn't get dropped because we don't manage to get to it because too much to do)
[13:16] <pitti> seb128: fixing yelp FTBFS, libfolks-dev missing dep
[13:16] <tjaalton> seb128: heh, ok.. fingers crossed
[13:16] <seb128> pitti, oki
[13:17] <seb128> tjaalton, if you want to sign for some desktop work feel free btw ;-)
[13:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw I bounced some bugs your way, dunno if you notice stuff where you get Cc-ed or assigned to
[13:19] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh and I had dinner with my friend who has the tb pop indicator issues during the holidays and he nagged me about it again, I said I would use direct poking until it gets fixed if needed ;-)
[13:20] <seb128> tb, pop, spam filtering, count issue ... dunno how you call it ;-) my friend seems to think it's not specific to pop though, just that tb doesn't refresh its count after dealing with spams locally
[13:47] <nessita> tedg: hi there! I was suggested I ask you about this bug #726639. I tried the gconf-editor workaround and I still have the F10 key captured :-/
[13:48] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 726639 in unity "F10 is captured even if gnome-terminal setting is explictly set to not capture" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726639
[13:51] <tedg> nessita, That's not a me thing...
[13:51] <nessita> tedg: heh, any idea who I can ask? :-)
[13:51] <tedg> nessita, Probably should harass njpatel or DBO
[13:52] <nessita> tedg: thanks!
[13:52] <tedg> nessita, Neither of which seem to be here today.
[13:52] <nessita> tedg: I will seek for them tomorrow or the day after, thanks!
[13:57] <nessita> does anyone know how to fix a just-now broken gnome-keyring? it broke after an update, full update trace is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/791662/
[13:58] <pitti> nessita: my fault
[13:58] <pitti> nessita: I'll take care of it
[13:58] <nessita> pitti: let me know! :-)
[13:59] <pitti> nessita: you should be able to run apt-get -f install or dist-upgrade again to fix it locally
[13:59] <nessita> (when is fixed, so I re-update)
[13:59] <nessita> pitti: awesome, thanks
[14:00] <seb128> pitti, you won bug #911232
[14:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911232 in gnome-keyring "package libgcr-3-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gcr-3/ui/gcr-import-dialog.ui', which is also in package libgcr-3-1 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911232
[14:02] <seb128> bah bug #908805
[14:02] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 908805 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in got_public_files_cb()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908805
[14:03] <seb128> dobey, hey, happy new year
[14:03] <seb128> dobey, could you get those u1 bugs fixed? they are collecting retracer dups since before the holidays
[14:03] <seb128> oh and whoever between ken and you uploaded a broken version before the holidays deserves some slapping ;-)
[14:05] <nessita> seb128: broken version of what exactly? I may deserve a slap as well :-)
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: I guess I won the first one, too, that's nessita's
[14:06] <pitti> seb128: not sure about 908805, I can have a look, though; did I break this with my libubuntuone upload?
[14:06] <seb128> nessita, no, that one was for dobey
[14:07] <nessita> seb128: ok, I was asking since I propose a broken package of ubuntuone-control-panel (I forgot to add an entry on a .install file). But ken fixed it and upload it (thanks ken!)
[14:08] <seb128> nessita, the bug I pointed is a segfault in nautilus due to libsyncdaemon
[14:08] <nessita> seb128: ah, I won't take a slap for that :-P
[14:08] <seb128> pitti, sorry, you won the first one indeed, the second one was for dobey
[14:08] <seb128> well dobey or kenvandine
[14:08] <pitti> seb128: ah, misunderstood then
[14:08] <seb128> speaking of who...
[14:08] <kenvandine> happy new years!
[14:08] <seb128> kenvandine, hey, happy new year ;-)
[14:08] <pitti> kenvandine: hey Ken, happy new year!
[14:09] <kenvandine> seb128, i talked to dobey about that, he was working on it
[14:09] <mvo> pitti: does something like https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/python-distutils-extra/mvo/+merge/87357 make sense or is lucid compatibility more important?
[14:09] <kenvandine> i found that crash right before the holiday
[14:09] <seb128> kenvandine, what happened to the "revert if it's not fixed in half a day"?
[14:09] <pitti> kenvandine: I gave you the geoclue task in bug 911125, ok for you?
[14:09] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911125 in librest "FTBFS due to removed g_thread_init" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911125
[14:09] <seb128> kenvandine, seems an acceptance criteria fail
[14:09] <seb128> kenvandine, we let user downs for 2 weeks....
[14:09] <kenvandine> seb128, it wasn't a new bug... and it didn't seem to grave
[14:09] <seb128> kenvandine, and it's spamming the retracers
[14:10] <seb128> kenvandine, it seems new, we didn't get any bug before the uploads in the week before the holidays
[14:10] <kenvandine> the bug had existed for several weeks now
[14:10] <seb128> kenvandine, bug #908805 ?
[14:10] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 908805 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in got_public_files_cb()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908805
[14:10] <pitti> mvo: I'm fine with this; it's more a question for didrocks or mterry, as pysupport supports installation into /opt, and nothing else does so far
[14:10] <pitti> mvo: but then again, I think pysupport got synced and that feature lost
[14:10] <pitti> mvo: question for them for quickly, I mean
[14:11]  * didrocks opens
[14:11] <kenvandine> seb128, i had reproduced it without the ubuntuone-client-gnome upload right before the holiday
[14:12] <dobey> seb128, kenvandine: yes, they will get fixed today; we have a scheduled release today
[14:12] <kenvandine> dobey, cool
[14:12] <seb128> dobey, thanks
[14:13] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, /opt will still be needed. I may need to spend some time to work with the dh_python guy to add this support
[14:14] <mvo> didrocks: dosn't this work with the linked branch? i.e. just passing the module dir?
[14:14] <mvo> or am I missing something?
[14:14] <pitti> mvo: this drops the langpack stuff, though?
[14:14] <pitti> mvo: we need a --with langpack if available
[14:16] <mvo> pitti: aha,ok
[14:16] <didrocks> mvo: I never tried the syntax dh_python2 (prefix, prefix, prefix), if you are confident it works, it's ok for me ;)
[14:17] <nessita> silly question, how can I have a weather indicator in unity 2d? I have indicator-applet installer but I have no weather indication nowhere :-)
[14:17] <seb128> kenvandine, dobey: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-client/+bug/908787/comments/4 has details on the issue
[14:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 908787 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [High,Triaged]
[14:17] <didrocks> nessita: have you installed indicator-weather by any chance?
[14:18] <nessita> didrocks: yes, sorry, I meant "I have indicator-weather installed but..."
[14:18] <pitti> mvo: ok, MP updated
[14:18] <pitti> mvo: I can fix it up if you want
[14:18] <nessita> didrocks:   Installed: 11.05.31-0ubuntu3
[14:19] <didrocks> that's weird, should work. You are on oneiric, right? do you have it in unity-3d?
[14:19] <mvo> pitti: that would be nice, if its no trouble
[14:20] <nessita> didrocks: I'm on precise, and running unity-2d. Performance of 3d is, from my POV, unacceptable
[14:21] <pitti> nessita: fix uploaded, BTW
[14:21] <nessita> pitti: yey! though I already applied the workaround you mentioned before
[14:22] <nessita> dobey: hi there! question, would you know why I'm getting this? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/791685/ I can't run make check on a u1client branch
[14:23] <didrocks> nessita: if you have the time to just try it in unity-3d to ensure it's unity-2d issue or an indicator one (don't have the indicator installed there)
[14:23] <nessita> didrocks: sure, I can try that
[14:23] <dobey> nessita: not specifically. did you change the clientdefs.py.in?
[14:23] <nessita> dobey: not at all
[14:24] <nessita> dobey: I'm reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/ubuntuone-client/fix_904300/+merge/87073
[14:24] <nessita> dobey: and I'm on precise
[14:25] <dobey> i'll look
[14:27] <nessita> didrocks: I logged in with another user on a unity-3d session and I see no weather indicator nowhere. Shall I "activate" it somewhere?
[14:28] <dobey> nessita: run it; but when i tried indicator-weather it was *very* unstable
[14:28] <seb128> dobey, did you see the comment I pointed before?
[14:28] <dobey> crashed often
[14:28] <seb128> dobey, that guy debugged the issue in libsyncdaemon so it might avoid you work if you didn't debug yet
[14:28] <dobey> seb128: yes. i have those mails in my bug folder
[14:28] <seb128> ok
[14:28] <dobey> thanks
[14:29] <seb128> yw
[14:29] <didrocks> nessita: no, you shouldn't need to. I will have a try later on my machine to confirm (need to finish something before rebooting unity). If it still fails, it's maybe because the indicator is simply broken
[14:30] <nessita> didrocks: I see. Thanks!
[14:31] <nessita> didrocks: FYI, running indicator-weather in my unity-2d session worked
[14:31] <didrocks> nessita: ok, so not autostarted anymore? I'll have a look
[14:32] <nessita> didrocks: thanks! (no rush, of course)
[14:34] <pitti> cyphermox: good morning, happy new year!
[14:37] <cyphermox> hey pitti
[14:37] <cyphermox> happy new year
[14:37] <mvo> hey cyphermox! happy new year to you
[14:37] <mvo> too
[14:38] <cyphermox> hey mvo
[14:38] <pitti> cyphermox: are you ok with the three evo tasks in bug 911125?
[14:39] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911125 in yelp "FTBFS due to removed g_thread_init" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911125
[14:39] <pitti> cyphermox: presumably it's all fixed in upstream trunk already
[14:39] <cyphermox> yes
[14:39] <pitti> cyphermox: thanks
[14:39] <cyphermox> and yeah, i believe it is already fixed upstream
[14:39] <pitti> I did most of the rest now, but left one for kenvandine and one for RAOF
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> oh, excellent. extensions compatible by default reduces my workload a little :)
[14:41] <pitti> chrisccoulson: oh, less strict MaxVersions now?
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> pitti - yeah, by default, it's basically ignored for extensions which don't have binary components, aren't a theme, and don't have a maxVersion of less than 4.0
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> (based on the fact that most extensions don't need any code changes to work with newer versions)
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> pitti - of course, that can be overridden by metadata from addons.mozilla.org, eg, if people mark the addon as incompatible
[14:43] <pitti> chrisccoulson: that sounds quite nice
[14:43] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it should be much better
[15:16] <BigWhale> err
[15:17] <BigWhale> if I try to import appindicator in python, my program will crash and burn with some gtk-2.0 assertion errors
[15:18] <BigWhale> am I doing something wrong?
[15:18] <tjaalton> chrisccoulson: hey, does this bug ring a bell; two firefox windows, on different workspaces, fight for the input focus (unity, oneiric). to restore sanity I need to switch the focus to a third ffox window, but it'll come back before too long..
[15:19] <tjaalton> first i thought it had to do with fullscreen windows, but using "normal" ones didn't help
[15:19] <tjaalton> s/fullscreen/maximized/
[15:19] <kenvandine> BigWhale, hey
[15:19] <BigWhale> ken!
[15:19] <seb128> could be bug #872207
[15:19] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 872207 in firefox "When Firefox is running in Unity, drop-down menus sometime close when opened" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/872207
[15:20] <BigWhale> kenvandine, where have you been hiding? :)
[15:20] <kenvandine> is your app using gtk2 or gtk3?
[15:20] <BigWhale> kenvandine, gtk3
[15:20] <kenvandine> hanging with the family for the holidays :)
[15:20] <BigWhale> kenvandine, awesome ... same here
[15:20] <kenvandine> and are you using GI or the static bindings?
[15:20] <seb128> didrocks, hey, do you have some time for a new review?
[15:20] <BigWhale> kenvandine, I am guessing that I need to import something else
[15:20] <BigWhale> I'm using gi
[15:21] <kenvandine> from gi.repository import AppIndicator
[15:21] <BigWhale> oh
[15:21] <BigWhale> thanks
[15:21] <kenvandine> np
[15:21] <kenvandine> :)
[15:24] <BigWhale> ken, why aren't things like this written somewhere?
[15:26] <BigWhale> kenvandine, the question was of course rhetorical and not targeted against anyone :)
[15:26] <kenvandine> BigWhale, of course :)
[15:26] <tjaalton> seb128: was that for me? menus open fine, and for instance opening the prefs window restores focus
[15:27] <seb128> tjaalton, yes it was, dunno then
[15:27] <seb128> I was pointing it in case
[15:27] <tjaalton> yeah, ok
[15:29] <didrocks> seb128: hum, in half an hour should be ok, still fighting with vala :)
[15:29] <seb128> didrocks, funny that you say that :p
[15:29] <didrocks> oh why?
[15:29] <seb128> didrocks, it's vala-0.16 which I just uploaded to NEW, should be easy to review since it's just a rename of the packaging for the new serie ;-)
[15:30] <didrocks> argh, if I new! :)
[15:30] <didrocks> knew*
[15:30] <tjaalton> seb128: hmm, could be that I'm seeing an incarnation of that bug though
[15:30] <didrocks> if I knew, I can new it :p
[15:30] <seb128> didrocks, ;-)
[15:31] <tjaalton> mostly annoying when closing tabs from the wrong window :/
[15:31] <seb128> pitti, hey, if one day you get some free time I would appreciate a review (and maybe some sponsoring) of http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-gnome/packages/unstable/libgda5/
[15:31] <pitti> didrocks: the GNU version? :)
[15:31] <didrocks> pitti: heh, excellent ;)
[15:31] <pitti> seb128: ah, sure; why sponsoring, did you lose debian uploading?
[15:32] <seb128> pitti, it's basically gda4 -> gda5, but I still don't have a Debian build environment, I would appreciate a review as well before sending it in NEW to increase chances to see it go through on the first try ;-)
[15:32] <pitti> seb128: ah, I see; sure, that's no problem
[15:33] <seb128> pitti, sponsoring> because I suck at keeping a debian unstable build system uptodate ;-)
[15:34] <seb128> (I don't like to saturate my download with it while I'm working and I don't let the computer on during nights)
[15:34] <seb128> one day Debian maybe will accept source uploads ;-)
[15:36] <BigWhale> kenvandine, do I have to install some dev package to get AppIndicator gir?
[15:36] <pitti> seb128: ah, so it's not yet ready for upload
[15:36] <kenvandine> gir1.2-appindicator3-0.1
[15:36] <kenvandine> BigWhale, ^^
[15:36] <seb128> pitti, by the time you look through it will, I'm dropping the unversionned binaries for the first upload
[15:37] <seb128> pitti, we can add an alternative for those later if required
[15:37] <kenvandine> BigWhale, oh.... btw for gtk3 "from gi.repository import AppIndicator3"
[15:37] <BigWhale> oh that works
[15:37] <BigWhale> :>
[15:39] <pitti> seb128: debian/copyright could need some update
[15:39] <pitti> seb128: I mean the obsolete X-Format-Specification: and other X- headers
[15:39] <seb128> pitti, well it's just a copy of gda4
[15:39] <seb128> the source is a rename for a new serie
[15:40] <seb128> but I guess you are right, archive admin might be picky about that
[15:40] <pitti> right, but still, DEP5 looks different now
[15:40] <seb128> I hate debian/copyright ;-)
[15:41] <pitti> seb128: it looks fine to me otherwise
[15:49] <mvo> is python-gobject the right assigment for e.g. bug #907568 ? AIUI the threading stuff is now initalized automatically, but I don't get why doing it manually casues a segfault
[15:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 907568 in pygobject "software-center crashed with SIGSEGV in PyGILState_Ensure()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907568
[15:51] <pitti> mvo: presuambly because g_threads_init() is deprecated now
[15:51] <pitti> but yes, in principle it should be against pygobject and/or glib (not sure which) as well
[15:52] <mvo> thanks, I opened a bugtask for that and fixed s-c
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, ok, gda changelog, unversionned binaries and copyright updated
[15:53] <seb128> pitti, can you build and upload for me if it looks ok to you?
[15:54] <pitti> seb128: ah, did you already tag the new version? (no UNRELEASED any more)
[15:55] <pitti> svn diff -r r32299:r32301 -> looks fine, thanks for cleaning it up
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, doh, no, I suck
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, one sec
[15:55] <pitti> seb128: hang on
[15:55] <seb128> I'm updating the watch for .xz
[15:55] <pitti> seb128: I usually only tag after building and uploading succeeded
[15:55] <pitti> was just wondering
[15:55] <pitti> seb128: ah
[15:55] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I didn't tag, I'm setting back to UNRELESED and updating the watch
[15:58] <seb128> pitti, I've not tagged anything on the svn for years, I just commit fixes usually and let other roll the updates since I can't build them, but it should be ready to release and tag if you want to do it
[15:58] <seb128> or please give me the command if you want me to run it ;-)
[15:58] <pitti> seb128: yes, I'm happy to tag it
[15:58] <seb128> thank
[15:58] <seb128> thanks
[15:59] <pitti> seb128: FYI, http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/scripts/sbp-release (but I'll do it anyway; uploading and tagging should really be done by the same person, at the same time)
[16:00] <seb128> pitti, that can be handy, and agreed ... thanks ;-)
[16:00] <didrocks> waow, that was weird… apt-cache policy ensuring that I have unity-common 4.24.0-0ubuntu3 installed from the repo, and me having only /usr/share/unity/5/ and not /usr/share/unity/4/
[16:01] <didrocks> at reboot, it didn't really agree to start :)
[16:05]  * Sweetshark dances a bit.
[16:05] <Sweetshark> \o\ |o| /o/
[16:05] <pitti> hey Sweetshark, gesundes Neues!
[16:06] <Sweetshark> pitti: danke, Dir auch!
[16:06]  * Sweetshark has a a fresh baked libreoffice_3.5.0~beta2-3_amd64.deb and 47 other debs on his disc.
[16:07] <Sweetshark> pitti: where did you party?
[16:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: we went to Dresden over the holidays; for new year we went to a student club
[16:07] <pitti> was pretty nice
[16:08] <Sweetshark> pitti: oh, cool!
[16:08] <pitti> mvo: fixed up python-mkdebian, thanks! will upload now
[16:08] <pitti> mvo: or want me to wait for something else?
[16:08]  * mvo hugs pitti
[16:08] <mvo> pitti: fine from my side, I don't have anything else pending
[16:09]  * pitti hugs mvo back
[16:09] <Sweetshark> pitti: after seeing the "sachsen dreht frei"-talk on 28c3, Id be a bit scared of going to saxony ;)
[16:11] <Sweetshark> (well, I didnt saw that talk live as I arrived on day 2 -- still quite a jawdropper)
[16:12] <pitti> Sweetshark: what was the gist of it? I didn't hear anything scary :)
[16:13] <seb128> pitti, sorry I did a stupid typo in the libgda5 .install, just fixed it
[16:14] <pitti> seb128: seb128@d.o. okay?
[16:14] <seb128> pitti, yes
[16:16] <didrocks> seb128: do you have something depending on vala 0.16 or should it be in universe?
[16:17] <seb128> didrocks, universe is fine
[16:17] <seb128> didrocks, next shotwell will depends on it but it's not out yet
[16:17] <didrocks> seb128: ok, acking then :) lot of renaming!
[16:17] <didrocks> we shoud maybe look at some point to make that more generic if we are going this road for a long time :)
[16:17] <pitti> didrocks: does it build the versionless metapackages already?
[16:17] <didrocks> pitti: it doesn't
[16:17] <kenvandine> didrocks, but we will go with vala-0.16 for precise?
[16:17] <seb128> didrocks, thanks ;-) and indeed!
[16:18] <kenvandine> if so i should make sure gwibber builds with it sooner than later :)
[16:18] <didrocks> valac is still 0.14 for now, I think seb's approach is safer to not put it by default right now :)
[16:18] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: meeting reminder in 12 mins
[16:18] <seb128> pitti, I dropped "valac" and lower the alternative score
[16:19] <seb128> pitti, I don't want to make a .0 unstable default ;-)
[16:19] <didrocks> no fun :)
[16:19] <seb128> kenvandine, ^
[16:19] <kenvandine> ok
[16:19] <seb128> "go with 0.16"
[16:19] <seb128> well we had 2 versions in main every cycle it seems
[16:19] <Sweetshark> pitti: among other things they searched the rooms of a priest (including areas protected by the confession secret) and tapped into his phone, including when it was used by her daughter (and they knew she was using it). his daughter is a member of the saxon parlament and should have immunity. ... and that is just the tip of the ice. There was also use of phone cell supervision and and imsi-catchers ...
[16:19] <seb128> shotwell will require 0.16, I updated because adam emailed me asking for it
[16:20] <seb128> not sure we will drop the old ones
[16:20] <kenvandine> pitti, i will need to miss the meeting, i have to leave in 10 min to pickup my son from pre-school
[16:20] <seb128> we should at least get 0.12 out of main ;-)
[16:20] <kenvandine> but i added details for my agenda item to the wiki
[16:20] <kenvandine> and i'll read back
[16:23] <pitti> kenvandine: thanks
[16:24] <pitti> seb128: package built, ready to dput and tag on your word
[16:25] <seb128> pitti, word ;-)
[16:26] <Sweetshark> pitti: ah, and for the search of the rooms the police of saxony rode into neighbor state thueringen (prolly without informing authorities there). And the accused learned about the case going to court from the press.
[16:26] <pitti> Sweetshark: fun!
[16:29] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: meeting time
[16:29] <chrisccoulson> w00t
[16:29] <seb128> hey!
[16:29] <didrocks> hey
[16:30]  * kenvandine runs out... bbiab
[16:30] <pitti> seb128: libgda5 uploaded/tagged
[16:30] <seb128> \o/
[16:30] <pitti> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-01-03
[16:31] <pitti> welcome everyone to 2012, happy new year!
[16:31] <pitti> the wiki page looks a bit weird, I think some agenda items were really meant for the summary section
[16:32] <pitti> bryceh, tjaalton, RAOF: anyone from you here to discuss teh X 1.11 agenda item?
[16:32] <pitti> (I suppose it was meant for the report section)
[16:33] <pitti> so, I suppose not
[16:34] <pitti> telepathy-indicator call for testing> do we need to discuss that? also looks like a "report" thingy
[16:35] <seb128> no discussion needed from what kenvandine said
[16:35] <pitti> ack
[16:35] <pitti> so, Rally agenda
[16:35] <seb128> he just used the section as an "announces to do" one
[16:35] <seb128> I guess bryce did the same for X
[16:35] <pitti> I'd like to collect some things that are on your mind which we should do on the rally
[16:36] <pitti> things which benefit from having lots of hardware and people in the same room
[16:36] <pitti> e. g. I want to work on the power consumption bits, as we can test it with lots of laptops there
[16:36] <pitti> and also get http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/canonical-desktop-team.html back on track :)
[16:36] <cyphermox> I've got a fair amount of things to fix/test in NM related to IPv6 and DNS resolving, mostly will work with stgraber on that though
[16:36] <pitti> please just everyone throw in their ideas, I don't think we need to have standups for everyone
[16:37] <seb128> we could bootcharts different config for login time as well
[16:38] <didrocks> well, we will probably have the compiz/unity release at the same time (first real one in precise), so testing at least on nvidia/intel/ati can be great
[16:38] <seb128> different cpu, io level will show different issues
[16:38] <seb128> we also need to review the GNOME3, gnome-control-center scheduled changes
[16:38] <cyphermox> ah, my laptop boots *real* quick so far
[16:38] <seb128> that was sort of relying on rodrigo to get done so we will need to see what we can keep and dispatch those
[16:38] <seb128> https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECxTfM0hvsbWT2BxA/edit?hl=en_GB
[16:39] <seb128> that's the spec
[16:39] <pitti> seb128: right, we need to finish the region bits (packagekit integration)
[16:39] <jbicha> happy 2012!
[16:39] <seb128> hey jbicha, happy new year to you as well!
[16:39] <didrocks> add the unity configuration part as well, should be easy enough
[16:39] <pitti> jbicha: happy new year!
[16:39] <didrocks> happy new year jbicha :)
[16:40] <didrocks> I'll surely work with the dx guys to finish the latest autopilot integration with autobuild and help them deploy the infra for other projects as well, so won't be in the desktop room 100% of the time
[16:41] <jbicha> pitti: bug 905391 appears to be caused by pygobject 3.0.3
[16:41] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 905391 in gnome-games "gnome-sudoku crashed with IndexError in _get_(): list index out of range" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/905391
[16:41] <pitti> jbicha: yes, that drove my wife mad in the train ride :)
[16:41] <pitti> jbicha: (meeting going on, FYI)
[16:41] <BigWhale> Whoever wrote AppIndicators is seriously making fun out of me... :>
[16:41] <pitti> https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/Rally/Precise/Desktop
[16:42] <pitti> thanks everyone for the ideas so far; if you have more, please add here ^
[16:42] <tjaalton> pitti: i'm around
[16:43] <pitti> tjaalton: do you want to discuss anything about the 1.11 PPA? (it was on the agenda section, but presumably unintended)
[16:43] <tjaalton> pitti: well, no news from my part, unity is still broken
[16:44] <pitti> tjaalton: ok, thanks
[16:44] <tjaalton> i've been running the ppa for two weeks, no other issues, other than synaptics jumping to (0,0) every now and then
[16:45] <pitti> tjaalton: do you have two syndaemons running by chance?
[16:46] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: AOB?
[16:46] <didrocks> nothing else for me
[16:46] <cyphermox> ah just one small thing
[16:47] <cyphermox> bluez: it ftbfs due to some issue in inline asm; normally i try to look after it, but this I don't really know or understand so well, i'd need help :)
[16:47] <tjaalton> pitti: nope
[16:47] <seb128> cyphermox, try updating to the new upstream version in case it fixes it?
[16:48] <pitti> cyphermox: on some arches, or on all?
[16:48] <cyphermox> ah, right, there's the new version now
[16:48] <cyphermox> pitti: as it's an issue in sbc_primitives_mmx I'd say just i386 and amd64
[16:49] <tjaalton> pitti: sorry, yes i do
[16:49] <tjaalton> ..but it happens without it too
[16:49] <seb128> cyphermox, you just signed for the update, thanks ;-)
[16:49] <cyphermox> seb128: sure :)
[16:49] <pitti> cyphermox: if the new upstream version doesn't fix it, could you please open a bug about it? easier to show to different people, e. g. cjwatson is a real asm crack
[16:50] <skaet> didrocks, pitti - seeing some worrying behavior on my oneiric system after applying SRUs yesterday...  anyone else seeing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-2d/+bug/911076 ?
[16:50] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911076 in unity-2d "trackpad mouse freezes after updates - regression" [High,New]
[16:50] <didrocks> skaet: seems to be the syndaemon issue, isn't it?
[16:51] <pitti> skaet: bug 868400 ?
[16:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 868400 in lightdm "Synaptics touchpad stops working - two syndaemon instances running" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/868400
[16:51]  * skaet looking
[16:51] <pitti> jasoncwarner, Sweetshark, bryceh, chrisccoulson, didrocks, tremolux, Riddell, kenvandine, cyphermox, mterry, seb128, tkamppeter, pedro_, desrt, agateau: thanks, adjourning then
[16:51] <didrocks> seems it's just more frequent for you now. I can be within a week on my netbook without having it
[16:51] <seb128> thanks pitti
[16:52] <mterry> (sorry I was late to meeting guys, forgot I didn't have IRC on)
[16:52] <seb128> hey mterry, happy new year!
[16:52] <pitti> hey mterry, happy new year!
[16:52] <mterry> Hi!
[16:52] <Riddell> sorry I was late, it's still a holiday in Scotland
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> Riddell, you've not been blown away yet then?
[16:53] <pitti> hey Riddell, happy new year! feeling better?
[16:54] <pitti> so, good night everyone! got a headache (damn cold..), so TTFN
[16:54] <Riddell> chrisccoulson: a load of road closures today from roofs having been blown right off
[16:55] <Riddell> pitti: actually I am thanks, plenty to still recover yet but it has definately become better
[16:55] <didrocks> happy new year mterry! :)
[16:55] <mterry> Hi didrocks!
[16:55] <pitti> Riddell: good to hear
[17:44] <nessita> didrocks: hello again. Quick update on the indicator-weather thing: I rebooted and re-login, and I still can't see it but when I try to run it from the command line,  I get "Another instance of this program is already running"
[17:45] <didrocks> nessita: not sure, can be a weather indicator issue or a libindicator one, tedg ^^
[17:45] <didrocks> nessita: will install tomorrow to have a look, just ping me at least so that i can confirm or not your issue there
[17:46]  * didrocks needs to run for sport now, see you tomorrow everyone!
[17:46] <nessita> didrocks: sure, thanks!
[17:46]  * tedg is quite sure it isn't a libindicator issue, libappindicator perhaps :-)
[17:46] <didrocks> tedg: you and your naming scheme! :)
[17:47] <didrocks> tedg: happy new year and see your tomorrow! :)
[17:47] <didrocks> you*
[17:59] <dobey> is jasoncwarner_ back from holidays already?
[18:00] <dobey> mterry: around?
[18:00] <mterry> dobey, yeah
[18:01] <dobey> mterry: have you heard anything about the ProjectTracking thing wrt u1?
[18:02] <mterry> dobey, no
[18:02] <dobey> :-/
[18:08] <dobey> skaet: ping. are you around?
[18:08] <skaet> dobey, yup
[18:09]  * skaet looks at backsrcoll...
[18:09] <dobey> skaet: there is some lack of understanding about how ubuntuone is supposed to integrate with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEngineering/12.04/UpstreamDevelopment/ProjectTracking
[18:12] <dobey> skaet: in particularly i am not sure what some of those columns mean exactly, and how we can integrate with this platform requirement, without causing our own releases to get blocked trying to get uploaded into precise
[18:12] <kenvandine> dobey, that is kind of the point... someone from platform needs to be responsible for what lands in precise
[18:13] <kenvandine> that someone probably being me
[18:13]  * skaet defers to kenvandine ;)
[18:13] <kenvandine> dobey, i guess i should have made sure you made it to those sessions at UDS :)
[18:13] <dobey> and it sucks for us
[18:13] <dobey> yeah, perhaps :)
[18:14] <kenvandine> it slows things down, yes
[18:14] <kenvandine> but the goal is quality, and not keeping precise usable everyday
[18:14] <kenvandine> which helps make it easier for people to switch to it earlier for development
[18:15] <dobey> yes, i understand the goal
[18:15] <dobey> the goal isn't the problem :)
[18:15] <kenvandine> s/not //
[18:15] <skaet> kenvandine s/not keeping/keeping/
[18:15] <skaet> :)
[18:15] <kenvandine> indeed :)
[18:16] <kenvandine> i haven't heard anything about handling people with per-package upload rights... but I guess I would review it and let you upload
[18:16] <kenvandine> i assume
[18:16] <skaet> kenvandine, ralsina is listed as the signoff - are you the backup?  or anyone else on the desktop team?
[18:16] <dobey> and also, that
[18:16] <dobey> skaet: ralsina doesn't even have any upload privs to ubuntu afaik
[18:17] <dobey> kenvandine: and given what i was hoping to do for the u1 packages, this becomes an even bigger pain for us
[18:18] <dobey> kenvandine: which is, to have a packageset that we can upload to without having to chase people down
[18:18] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah, i understand the pain point for you guys
[18:18] <kenvandine> but this is the process
[18:19] <dobey> kenvandine: and i don't understand how it's ok for some projects to have the same trunk owner/feature owner/distro owner; and yet some must be forced to depend on others
[18:20] <kenvandine> most of them depend on others
[18:20] <kenvandine> look at DX
[18:21] <dobey> yes, but there are exceptions
[18:21] <dobey> why are the exceptions special?
[18:22] <kenvandine> which exceptions?
[18:23] <kenvandine> dobey, although the goal isn't to have a different person from distro looking at it
[18:23] <seb128> exceptions are mostly project which have 1 hacker and nobody to do reviews
[18:23] <kenvandine> the goal is to have someone from distro responsible
[18:23] <kenvandine> right, like gwibber, deja dup
[18:23] <kenvandine> etc
[18:23] <kenvandine> those we are upstream for and less official
[18:24] <dobey> lightdm, upstart, gwibber, jockey, apport, ecryptfs, ufw, apparmor, postgresql-common, dejadup…
[18:24] <seb128> you can add "and the maintainer has been doing an correct job at writing testcases for its software and not rolling broken versions"
[18:24] <seb128> they are mostly small one person projects without a record of issues
[18:25] <seb128> it doesn't mean it wouldn't be better if they had a second hacker and reviews
[18:25] <seb128> but we didn't block on that
[18:30] <dobey> eep, come back ken!
[18:32] <nessita> anyone knows where lp-project-upload went on precise?
[18:32] <nessita> I have ubuntu-dev-tools installed, but the script is gone afais
[18:33] <Laney> i think it's in lptools now
[18:33] <dobey> lptools
[18:33] <nessita> Laney, dobey: thanks!
[18:38] <dobey> kenvandine: so i do feel that some of the u1 projects are very similar to those exceptions, in that way. but we need a solution for this, because it doesn't seem right.
[18:39] <kenvandine> it's no different than the DX packages
[18:39] <kenvandine> if you have some that you don't think should be on the list
[18:39] <kenvandine> let me know
[18:40] <dobey> i think having a packageset or per-package-upload privs, shouldn't be made meaningless by the process; and that seems to be what the process does :(
[18:41] <kenvandine> skaet, do you know if anyone has raised that concern?
[18:41] <kenvandine> dobey, the definition was set as a distro team member
[18:41] <kenvandine> but perhaps someone that has been granted upload rights should fit that description
[18:42] <dobey> kenvandine: right; and having per-package-upload (and wanting to propose a packageset for u1), and not being on the distro team, is annoying there
[18:47] <skaet> kenvandine, I've not heard that concern raised, but am wondering if distro readiness owner should have them as a condition, before having ehir name in that column. ?
[18:48] <kenvandine> skaet, yeah, i would imagine that is expected
[18:49] <kenvandine> but what about non-distro team members with upload rights?  Perhaps they should be able to own distro readiness, as long as they understand the requirements
[18:51] <skaet> kenvandine,  yeah, it probably needs a good discussion with jasoncwarner_ and then some cleanup of the page
[18:57] <mvo> cyphermox: just fyi, I hacked the gtk3 synaptic branch a bit over the holidays and it starts up now in full gtk3 glory
[18:57] <cyphermox> mvo: yay
[18:58] <mvo> what a history of toolkits: wings, gtk1, gtk2, gtk3
[18:58] <cyphermox> well, now that's done, let's switch to qt :)
[19:05] <dobey> hmm
[19:06] <micahg> mvo: re synaptic> I haven't checked 0.75.4 yet, but with 0.75.3, we had a huge translation diff with debian and I was wondering if that can be reduced, I guess I can let you know if I see the same with 0.75.4
[19:06]  * dobey summons jasoncwarner
[19:07] <dobey> oh i guess irccloud.com just went bust
[19:10] <mvo> micahg: hm, a bad diff? a couple of months ago dpm and I added auto-sync of the bzr with the translations with rosetta
[19:12] <micahg> mvo: ok, I'll check again with 0.75.4 and see if there's a real issue
[19:13] <mvo> thanks
[19:31] <Ampelbein> pitti: Hi, the fix you uploaded for bug 911232 FTBFS in amd64 and i386, making gnome-keyring still broken on those arches.
[19:31] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 911232 in gnome-keyring "package libgcr-3-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gcr-3/ui/gcr-import-dialog.ui', which is also in package libgcr-3-1 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911232
[19:31] <Ampelbein> (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-keyring/3.2.2-1ubuntu2)
[19:32] <micahg> one of the tests hung the buildd
[19:37] <BigWhale> Sometimes I wish certain open source software didn't feel like it was made by A.C.M.E. corporation ...
[19:39]  * micahg was wondering why help in GNOME is called yelp :)
[19:42] <seb128> ok, I retried the gnome-keyring builds
[19:42] <seb128> let see if they get lucky
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> i can see that this is going to result in me trying it in my hardy VM isn't it? ;)
[19:44] <seb128> lol
[19:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, look at the bug assigned to you to start with ;-)
[19:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have a different test failing in a precise chroot :)
[19:44] <micahg> err, rather hung
[19:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm tb indicator bugs for you if you want :p
[19:44] <micahg> non-deterministic failures are the most fun
[19:44] <seb128> chrisccoulson, just saying... ;-)
[19:45] <dobey> jasoncwarner_: wake up ;)
[19:55] <dobey> kenvandine: hey, can you sponsor nessita's ubuntu-sso-client proposal real quick? it's a pretty tiny set of changes, and fixes an annoying issue when trying to authenticate a machine to sso, caused by the updated twisted in precise
[19:55] <kenvandine> dobey, sure
[19:55] <dobey> kenvandine: thanks
[19:55] <nessita> dobey: heh, I was looking at the patch pilot calendar :-)
[19:55] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/precise/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-2.99.1/+merge/87403
[19:56] <dobey> heh
[19:56] <nessita> kenvandine: and thanks for catching the issue with the former controlpanel packaging branch
[19:56] <kenvandine> np
[19:56] <dobey> what was the issue with cp packaging?
[19:56] <nessita> dobey: but the calendar is kinda short of people
[19:57] <nessita> dobey: I forgot to add the utils (new) package to the .install file
[19:57] <nessita> python package, that is
[19:58] <dobey> oh
[19:58] <nessita> yeah
[19:58] <dobey> nessita: well kenvandine is a fan of mine, so he's usually able to help :)
[19:59] <kenvandine> lol
[19:59]  * nessita will love to see kenvandine's face right now
[19:59] <kenvandine> nessita, hard to see, rolling around on the floor lmao atm :)
[19:59] <nessita> heh
[19:59] <dobey> eh
[20:00]  * kenvandine hugs dobey :)
[20:00] <dobey> he looks the same as he does at UDS when i'm talking to him :)
[20:00] <dobey> his face is usually flushed with joy ;P
[20:00] <BigWhale> kenvandine, I am learing GTK3 from bugs assigned to you. You should tell your boss about this. :>
[20:01] <BigWhale> well AppIndicator, to be more precise
[20:02] <kenvandine> haha
[20:03] <BigWhale> :)) yeah, I was groping in the dark for a while... before I figured out that you cant instantiate AppIndicatior.Indicator
[20:04] <kenvandine> oh that bug
[20:04] <kenvandine> :)
[20:04] <BigWhale> yeah
[20:04] <BigWhale> not a big deal if you know where to look! ;)
[20:05]  * kenvandine doesn't really remember the deal with that... but it was painful to find
[20:05] <dobey> is it an interface rather than an object?
[20:05] <kenvandine> that might be it
[20:06] <kenvandine> so you can't subclass it
[20:06] <dobey> you can subclass it as a new interface, but you can't turn it into a gobject
[20:07] <BigWhale> it's the foo = AppIndicatior3.Indicator() vs. bar = AppIndicator3.Indicator.new()
[20:07] <dobey> oh
[20:07] <BigWhale> first one will segfault python
[20:07] <kenvandine> oh
[20:07] <kenvandine> different issue
[20:07] <dobey> so the introspection is just wrong
[20:07] <kenvandine> no default constructor
[20:07] <kenvandine> or so it thinks
[20:07] <dobey> yeah, the metadata is missing in the .gir
[20:08] <kenvandine> and i think that is caused by namespace clash in C
[20:08] <BigWhale> well the bug is about subclassing, but people then talk about constructor too
[20:08] <kenvandine> you can't subclass it because of the constructor
[20:09] <dobey> well subclassing in python without a default constructor, will break
[20:09] <kenvandine> exactly
[20:09] <dobey> you can subclass it in C just fine though
[20:09] <BigWhale> Who codes in C nowadays? :>
[20:09] <BigWhale> (I will soon ... )
[20:10] <BigWhale> ... if I decide to make that gstreamer plugin that I need
[20:10] <dobey> anyone who wants fine grained control over their program :)
[20:10] <BigWhale> dobey, I was just trolling ... :> I wrote loads of C :>
[20:10] <BigWhale> still do, here and there
[20:14] <kenvandine> nessita, sponsored
[20:14] <nessita> kenvandine: thanks!
[20:15] <kenvandine> nessita, anytime!
[20:17] <dobey> yay
[20:42] <BigWhale> I ported around 80% of the UI. Yay!
[20:42] <BigWhale> from pygtk to gi
[20:43] <kenvandine> BigWhale, cool
[20:43] <kenvandine> i am adding GI unit tests to gwibber now :)
[20:44] <BigWhale> wow awesome
[20:44] <BigWhale> I kinda feel bad... I've been neglecting gwibber too much lately
[20:47] <BigWhale> But I did resurrect Kazam! :)
[20:49] <kenvandine> i have too :(
[20:49] <kenvandine> what is kazam?
[20:51] <davmor2> kenvandine: screen record/capture tool if I recall
[20:52] <davmor2> kenvandine: https://launchpad.net/kazam
[21:35] <mterry> I'm assuming X is working for everyone else on current precise?  /me starts rolling back locally changed packages
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> mterry, no idea, i haven't upgraded in about a month ;)
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> i should upgrade really :)
[21:36] <kenvandine> mterry, seems fine here
[21:36] <RAOF> mterry: Works here :)
[21:37] <cyphermox> no issues to report here either
[21:38] <mterry> cool, thanks all
[21:49] <dobey> mterry: works for me; the new gma500 psb_gfx driver in the kernel even seems to work reasonably ok
[21:50] <TheMuso> No problem here, upgraded yesterday.
[21:50] <mterry> hrm.  rolling back my recent local changes didn't change anything...
[21:50] <TheMuso> Log time.
[21:51] <mterry> Nothing interesting in my logs that I can see
[21:51] <mterry> Nope, found it!
[21:51] <mterry> Thanks
[21:51] <RAOF> What form of breakage are we seeing?
[21:52] <mterry> I've got some broken interlinking between unity-greeter and liblightdm that I must have caused
[21:52] <mterry> Must not have rolled back everything...  /me digs deeper
[21:52] <mterry> thanks again
[22:01] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh robert_ancell RAOF and TheMuso Meeting Time. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-01-03 If you have any agenda items, please put them on there and we'll have a meeting.
[22:02] <bryceh> heya
[22:02] <jasoncwarner_> Otherwise, there is one agenda item, the Rally agenda. Wiki here https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuEngineering/Rally/Precise/Desktop
[22:02] <RAOF> Hi
[22:02] <jasoncwarner_> hey RAOF and bryceh
[22:03] <bryceh> no topics here
[22:05] <RAOF> None here.  Sorry for putting the Xserver 1.11 stuff in the agenda section (if it was me that did it ☺)
[22:05] <jasoncwarner_> ok...seems no topics...please be sure to fill out the wiki
[22:05] <jasoncwarner_> and be sure to put items on the Rally agenda wiki....
[22:05] <jasoncwarner_> :)
[22:06] <TheMuso> Hrm I didn't see a link to the rally agenda wiki on the meeting page... Am I looking in the wrong place?
[22:06] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: it is in the chat transcript
[22:06] <bryceh> RAOF, anything you want to work on together?
[22:07] <RAOF> bryceh: I'd be happy to do some work on xrandr-utils with you; I was planning to do the lock-screen work with robert_ancell.
[22:07] <dobey> jasoncwarner_: hey there
[22:07] <RAOF> We can probably do both :)
[22:07] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Thanks.,
[22:07]  * bryceh nods
[22:08] <dobey> oh you have a meeting; i'll wait :)
[22:08] <RAOF> I do, however, need to actually coordinate with robert_ancell about that.  This is the first he's hearing of it :)
[22:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, indeed it is :)
[22:08] <robert_ancell> sounds like a job for Budapest!
[22:09] <RAOF> <cue theme music>
[22:10] <TheMuso> lol
[22:14] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-lock-screen likely to get done for Precise?  If so, Budapest seems a good time to work on it.  If not, yay fewer work items.
[22:15] <robert_ancell> RAOF, I'd like to say yes, and Budapest will definitely know by the end of Budapest
[22:15] <robert_ancell> drop the first Budapest there...
[22:15] <RAOF> Cool.  I'll add that to our sprint agenda.
[22:15] <RAOF> You're still waiting on design for the lock screen?
[22:47] <chrisccoulson> tut tut google - http://searchengineland.com/google-chrome-page-will-have-pagerank-reduced-due-to-sponsored-posts-106551 ;)
[22:48] <dobey> jasoncwarner_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/03/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t18:09 to about 18:51 some discussion/concerns about the ProjectTracking distro readiness stuff as relates to u1 and other cases of people with uploaad privs for various things
[22:48] <dobey> jasoncwarner_: we require your input on it :)
[22:58] <jasoncwarner_> dobey: taking a look now