[01:33] * TheMuso suspends today's email processing for a break... [02:19] Heh. You know what makes gnome-shell substantially less usable? Having the mouse cursor freuqently teleport to (0,0) and activate the overlay :) [02:19] Oh lovely. [02:21] It's highly likely to be related to the 1.11/1.12 frankenserver this laptop's running. Chase needs to hunt down that bug before we migrate everything out of the PPA into Precise. :) [02:35] heh [06:32] good morning and happy new year! [06:33] Hey, ho, didrocks! [06:33] hey RAOF! How are you? [06:33] Pretty good. [07:20] Good morning [07:20] happy new year everyone! [07:22] good morning pitti [07:22] hey rickspencer3, how are you? had some nice holidays? [07:26] good morning, pitti, rickspencer3! Happy new year! [07:26] didrocks: bonjour! ca va? [07:26] pitti: ça va bien :) good holidays there, and you? [07:26] didrocks: same here, we spent all the time in Dresden and returned yesterday [07:27] hi didrocks [07:27] lots of time to meet friends and family, go for some hiking, etc., much easier than the rather cramped and short weekend trips [07:27] bon fête et bon santé didrocks [07:27] I even brought back a cold :) [07:27] pitti, I've had a cold for the last week as well :/ [07:27] bonne année à toi aussi rickspencer3 :) [07:27] pitti: argh, cold :/ [07:28] yeah, half of the people we met had one, so eventually I just had to follow up :( [07:28] but it'll be gone by Budapest [07:28] pitti, my thoughts exactly, I will be inoculated by Budapest next week ;) [07:29] lots of video games for me and catching up by years of no real video game time there :) (in addition to some time with my family), the only bad thing is that Julie didn't get any holidays [07:32] didrocks: uh, none at all, not even for xmas? [07:33] pitti: no, as it was on sunday [07:33] We do that right in Australia. [07:33] hey RAOF, happy new year! [07:33] If a public holiday falls on a weekend, we damn well take the next weekday off! [07:33] pitti: she just didn't work on the friday afternoon (but as her hours are counted, this is not really a gift) as there was nothing to be done [07:33] NO ONE SHALL DEPRIVE US OF OUR RIGHTFUL HOLIDAYS! [07:33] RAOF: heh, not in France :) [07:34] so we don't have the same number of bank holidays every years :) [07:34] pitti: Happy new year! [07:41] didrocks: btw, you know that compiz-plugins-main is stuck in oneiric-proposed because of the missing precise uploads, right? [07:41] didrocks: I guess that'll solve itself by the impending releases [07:42] Oh! A shiny new unity that'll work without multitouch? :) [07:46] pitti: indeed, it will be in the new release. As you accepted the previous compiz/nux upload for this (as we wait tests for the incoming release first), I thought this would be on the same page [08:01] RAOF: what where? [08:01] oh [08:04] tjaalton: :) [08:04] yeah been using gnome-shell for the past few weeks [08:14] tjaalton: Have you noticed synaptics throwing the cursor up to (0,0) with annoying frequency, or is that just my hardware? [08:14] If so: doesn't it drive you *mad*? [08:15] RAOF: well, synaptics drives me mad, so I've disabled the hw :) [08:15] though I could test the behaviour.. [08:15] Oh, yeah. You said that before :) [08:17] hm, how does one reboot from gnome-shell? [08:17] This laptop doesn't have a nubbin, and the *other* laptop has a bad harddrive that causes a wonderful conflux of firefox/ecryptfs/btrfs/syslog interaction. [08:17] tjaalton: I *think* you need to hold down alt? [08:17] While opening up the menu? [08:18] ha, yeah that did it [08:18] Good morning everyone. [08:18] how discoverable.. [08:18] Discoverability™ [08:18] No one ever needs to do something so *crass* as to reboot their system. [08:18] RAOF, I agree! It just messes up with your uptime records! :> [08:25] RAOF: confirmed :) [08:27] tjaalton: Pretty fun, isn't it? :) [08:27] hilarious [08:28] It interacts particularly well with (0,0) being the Activities hot corner! [08:30] heh, yeah [08:30] oh well, purged the driver for now [08:59] * bryceh waves [09:03] good morning desktoppers! [09:04] hey chrisccoulson, good morning and happy new year! [09:04] bryceh: hello, and happy new year! [09:04] hi pitti, happy new year to you too :) [09:04] did you have a good break? [09:04] heya pitti [09:05] yes I did, no computer time and lots of family and friends :) [09:05] good morning chrisccoulson, happy new year! :) [09:06] happy new year didrocks :) [09:06] pitti, yeah, i managed to avoid my computer for a few days as well [09:07] and it shows! i've got all of this to fix today https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/FirefoxUpgradeChecklist/10.0 ;) [09:08] chrisccoulson: heh, I feel the same; lots of mail/bug/etc. backlog :( [09:14] pitti - yeah, the mail backlog is the worst part ;) [09:15] https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/153959177998446592 :-) [09:16] chrisccoulson: yay! [09:16] chrisccoulson: good luck with that; I have tried and succeeded at it for a fair while, but these days it's more like inbox 5 for me [09:16] there's always some mails which take ages or blocked [09:16] I've been doing inbox zero for some months now [09:16] pitti - yeah, i'm currently at around inbox 25000 ;) [09:17] urgh [09:17] hey [09:17] chrisccoulson, sounds like a job for procmail [09:17] hey seb128 [09:17] heya seb128 happy new years [09:17] hey chrisccoulson, wb officially today ;-) [09:17] how are you? [09:17] hey bryceh, happy new year to you as well! [09:17] thanks :) [09:18] bonne année seb128 :) [09:18] oh a didrocks [09:18] didrocks, bonne année ! [09:19] didrocks, I was a bit concerned about you being not there yesterday, I'm glad you are back ;-) [09:19] bonjour seb128, happy new year! *hug* [09:19] didrocks, I was wondering if you decided holidays were too nice and that you wouldn't go back to work :p [09:19] pitti, yeah I force myself to bring it to zero at least once a week, even if that means moving some ongoing items into the todo list [09:19] seb128: no, I had a 16 days of holidays reminaining, hence the swap between friday 9th december to yesterday [09:19] pitti, happy new year to you as well! *hug* [09:19] bryceh: right, maintaining a proper TODO list is a nice solution for this [09:20] didrocks, oh ok, I was not sure if you said you put all your days before the holidays and you were not marked on holidays or swap in canonicaladmin [09:20] seb128: yeah, I just talk to jason about swapping friday and yesterday as it was not realistic that I can go on holidays the 9th december with all the remaining tasks I had before holidays [09:21] but I managed them and finished on friday at 5:30pm despite a lot of surprises on that day :p [09:22] pitti, deactivating me from the canonical-desktop team won't stop me from assigning bugs ;) [09:24] hey there [09:24] happy new year everyone [09:24] baptistemm: bonjour, happy new year! [09:24] salut Pitty [09:24] rickspencer3, bonne année ! [09:25] baptistemm, happy new year ;-) [09:25] salut seb128 [09:25] bonne annee [09:25] seb128, bonne année et bon santé [09:25] hi rickspencer3 happy new years [09:25] hiya bryceh [09:25] rickspencer3, oh, merci, à toi aussi ! [09:26] good evening? [09:26] bryceh, is it not 1:36am for you? [09:26] rickspencer3, yep [09:26] night owl [09:27] indeed; but helps when its time for the 2am feedings, and consoling sick kids [09:28] bryceh: young baby? [09:28] congrats chrisccoulson for the new baby coming [09:28] lifeless, 4mo [09:29] bryceh: ~same as cynthia; I'm told it gets better ;) [09:29] ah wait, 5 months [09:29] lifeless, yep, she's our second so we've been through it all [09:30] seb128: btw, I created bug 911125 from doko's recent main rebuild test [09:30] Launchpad bug 911125 in yelp "FTBFS due to removed g_thread_init" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911125 [09:31] baptistemm, thanks :) [09:31] seb128: some fallout from gnome 3.2 vs. new glib (but should be easy to fix) [09:32] pitti, right, the easy way is to no set G_DISABLE_DEPRECATED [09:32] lifeless, hope you had some fun times over the holiday with your new daughter? she starting to become interactive? [09:32] seb128: but g_thread_init() disappeared entirely [09:32] pitti, no it didn't [09:32] seb128: it's been deprecated since 2.24 [09:32] uh? [09:32] it would be an abi break [09:32] ah, ok [09:33] bryceh: beginning yes; she burbles a lot, tracks us very very well, rolls from front to back in a millisecond [09:33] pitti, see /usr/include/glib-2.0/glib/deprecated/gthread.h [09:34] pitti, they just moved it in the deprecated dir [09:34] seb128: ok, thanks; I updated the description accordingly [09:34] pitti, which is only included when you don't turn deprecate off [09:34] pitti, thanks [09:55] lifeless, nice, my daughter Zoë has just started rolling over this past week (mostly back to front), but she can scoot herself across the room on her back no prob [09:55] bryceh: heh, cynthia hasn't worked out scooting along yet ;) [09:56] bryceh: she just looks around pitifully and bawls :( [09:56] bryceh: gnight [09:57] lifeless, nite [10:22] re [10:23] pitti, urg, I really dislike the one bug to track all the ftbfs issues style, can't we open different bugs and tag them or give a list to the team next time? [10:24] seb128: ok, will do next time; doko asked for tracking this, and as it's the same problem in multiple packages tasks seemed appropriate [10:24] pitti, the way you did it means that people subscribed to any of the listed component will get emails for every change to any of components [10:24] like if I care about dbus I will get 250 spams for things I don't care about [10:25] pitti, yeah, the feature makes sense until you get spammed for 2 months on a bug where you fixed your part and get emails from discussions still going for universe stuff ;-) [10:25] (been there before) [10:25] ok, noted [10:25] thanks [10:26] seb128: You know you can mute bug mail from a single bug, right? [10:26] FTR, /me merges gnome-keyring and fixes FTBFS along [10:26] soren, right, but I can't mute comments that don't concern the components I care about [10:26] seb128: Right, no, but once you've fixed you part, you can just mute the bug. [10:26] soren, because comments are not targetted to a particular of the 15 listed components [10:26] soren, well I would like to know if there is an issue with my fix :p [10:27] seb128: Ah, good point. [10:27] that launchpad feature is really to track one bug that need change on different sources [10:27] not to track similar bugs across the archive ;-) [10:27] we have tags for that [10:28] or we would open a "ftbfs in precise" bug and liste 500 sources in there ;-) [10:28] * didrocks opens [10:28] :-) [10:28] (not the same root cause, though) [10:29] but yes, I see what you mean [10:29] so, tags in the future [10:31] pitti, thanks, sorry for being picky but I got bitten by such bugs in the past ;-) (at a time where launchpad didn't have bug muting though, I will just use that for this one) [10:32] pitti, btw you can update yelp to 3.3 if you want [10:32] it's on the list of standalone applications that we said we would update to 3.4 [10:32] that should fix the ftbfs as well I guess [10:32] ah, sounds good [10:32] yes, for the gnome stuff I figure all of the fixes are already in upstream git [10:33] mostly yes [10:33] I was pondering dropping part of gnome-utils and doing updates as well [10:33] they made standalone vcs and tarballs for each components in the new cycle [10:33] I followed that discussion on desktop-devel, indeed [10:33] it seems relatively harmless [10:34] (either way) [10:34] we can package things we care about [10:34] I started on gnome-screenshot before the holidays [10:34] but I thought we should do it in Debian and sync, instead of doing the work twice and then have to merge [10:35] yeah [10:35] I should commit my work to the pkg-gnome svn [10:35] but I'm not sure if Debian will get 3.4 for wheezy [10:35] should be fine in experimental? [10:36] I guess so [10:44] pitti, do you have any clue about the amd64 retracer issues? it was down during the holidays, I untag the bug it was having issue with yesterday but it has been hitting a similar one again [10:44] File "apport/bin/crash-digger", line 100, in retrace_next [10:44] raise SystemError('retracing #%i failed' % id) [10:44] SystemError: retracing #909509 failed [10:44] seb128: dup db confusion again; it's high on my list [10:44] "but database already has that signature for ID 905105 [10:44] " [10:44] I'll fix/workaround it today [10:44] pitti, thanks [10:45] should I untag that bug and remove the lock meanwhile? [10:45] hum in fact no hurry, ignore that [10:45] if you remember to re-tag it, sure [10:45] we can wait for you to look at it [10:46] ok, similar to yesterday, both evince bugs [10:46] I untag and delete the lock, will retag those 2 later [10:46] I bet it's again due to some internal __strlen_sse_whatever stuff [10:46] I need to unwind those [10:47] yeah, the one I untag yesterday had that [10:47] they are useless and skew duplication detection [10:47] seb128: or just mark them as dupes [10:47] that'll help, too [10:47] "SIGSEGV in __strchr_sse2()" [10:47] pitti, so I clean them by hand? [10:47] right, it should use the "real" function for this, not the internal one [10:48] seb128: I'd find the existing master bug (the one in the exception message, bug 905105) and dupe [10:48] pitti, ok thanks [10:48] but the logic needs to be fixed as well, of course, I can do that [10:49] I added that assertion to ensure that we don't screw up the dup db [10:53] seb128: hm, g_module_* stuff isn't deprecated, is it? [10:53] seb128: gnome-keyring fails to build due to undefined reference to `g_module_open' and others [10:53] it does link to -lglib-2.0, and I added #include [10:53] does that ring a bell? [10:54] pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-keyring/commit/?id=30915a6fc4b95bbe6a5da224f731480e78bbaf83 [10:54] ? [10:55] seb128: no, that's not it; but I'll dig it out [10:55] gck/ entirely disappeared from trunk [10:55] pitti, doesn't right a bell sorry [10:55] oh [10:56] bde64e94 fixes the g_thread deprecations [10:56] pitti, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/log/ [10:56] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/commit/?id=15db61820f7cf2cd0a2631115c881367c7afc3c4 ? [10:56] hm, no [10:56] could be [10:57] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gcr/commit/?id=290b322a2bbaa81c3f00f9241228ed38672fb03f could work, trying [10:57] oh, that's gcr [10:59] pitti, gcr has the gcr and gck libs it seems [10:59] well anyway I will let you sort it, I've no clue about this one [10:59] ack, thanks [11:00] gmodules arent pulled in automatically anymore you need to explicitly link to it [11:00] hi [11:00] hey ricotz, gesundes Neues! [11:00] pitti, danke, für dich auch! [11:00] oh, -lgmodule-2.0 [11:00] yes [11:01] glib.pc doesnt include it anymore [11:01] so I need to add gmodule-2.0.pc to configure.ac [11:01] upstream gcr git head builds, so no need to forward it upstream [11:03] pitti, yes [11:03] rickspencer3, smuxi?! ;-) [11:03] I said it was low [11:03] this will solve the gmodule references not sure about possible gthread issues [11:04] j'aime bien smuxi [11:28] i'm really happy to be using a 24" monitor now :) [11:31] hehe [11:31] I've one for over a year and it's great indeed ;-) [11:34] seb128, yeah, i had a 22" before. but we had a 24" on the desktop, so i did a swap over christmas [11:35] hopefully jo doesn't notice her monitor shrank by 2" [11:35] lol [11:35] you will be in trouble ;-) [11:35] heh [11:35] you can always say that ruby switched them, but I guess that's not going to work :p [11:41] lol [11:52] hi mvo, how are you? [11:52] do you fancy uploading the latest aptdaemon from trunk? [11:52] :-) [11:53] i need this so that software-center works again: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/main/revision/755 ;) [11:58] am I the only one without any css for launchpad? [11:58] WFM [11:59] hum, weird… === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:59] didrocks, seems to work there as well [12:00] (using firefox) [12:00] hello everyone! is there any specific IRC channel I can ask questions regarding unity 2d? [12:00] hey nessita, happy new year! [12:00] seb128: ok, maybe there is a proxy issue with my ISP, no big deal though [12:00] nessita, try #ayatana I guess [12:01] thanks for confirming :) [12:01] hello seb128! thanks. You too :-) [12:01] hey nessita, happy new year! [12:01] didrocks: hello! thanks! :-) [12:01] didrocks: remember the thing I mentioned at UDS regarding the F10 key in the gnome-terminal under unity? [12:03] nessita: yes, the option not working, right? [12:03] didrocks: right, every time I press F10 the menu of the window will open instead of forward the event to the program running in the terminal [12:04] nessita: you unchecked the "activate shortcuts to access the menu", isn't it? [12:04] in file -> shortcuts [12:04] nessita: happy new year! [12:05] didrocks: yes, under Edit -> Keyboard Shortcuts I unchecked "Enable the menu shortcut key (F10 by default)" [12:05] pitti: hi there!!! thanks, you too :-) [12:06] nessita: yeah so the event is still forwarded to the app IIRC, seems a dbusmenu issue [12:06] nessita: I think you should ping tedg maybe [12:07] didrocks, it could be your browser ;) [12:07] :-) [12:07] didrocks: thanks! [12:08] chrisccoulson: no chance, is my firefox-nvidia-launchpad issue fixed yet? :p [12:08] heh [12:08] chrisccoulson: ok, it's kinda fixed with no css thanks to my ISP :) [12:08] i can haz some nvidia hardware to test? [12:08] baked or rebaked? :) [12:09] i've got an nvidia card in my desktop here, but it's way to fast to recreate your bug ;) [12:23] seb128: yelp updated to 3.3.2, and g_thread stuff fixed (and sent upstream) [12:23] * pitti -> lunch [12:25] chrisccoulson: sure [12:34] pitti, danke [12:34] (back from lunch here) [12:38] is there a way to hibernate from the precise unity gui? [12:39] tjaalton, same as always, open the session indicator in the top right and pick hibernate? [12:40] seb128: don't have that option, only suspend and shutdown [12:40] fresh install [12:40] hmm [12:40] oh, I think hibernate is off by default [12:40] yeah there's enough swap [12:41] it's a question for pitti when he's back [12:41] he turned it off somewhere by default [12:41] ok so it's possibly editable from dconf-editor [12:42] I don't think it's in gsettings, it's rather an etc file I think [12:42] ah, ok [12:42] like a polkit or upower setting [12:42] yeah not seeing it [12:42] but I can't remember where it is now, wait for pitti to be back [12:43] sure [12:43] thanks [12:43] tjaalton, try looking at /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/com.ubuntu.desktop.pkla === Beanow_alt is now known as Beanow [12:44] ok, found it [12:44] tjaalton, bug #812394 [12:44] Launchpad bug 812394 in ayatana-design "Disable hibernate option by default" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/812394 [12:45] omg [12:45] my unity died and didn't come back [12:45] go to a vt and run "unity" [12:45] yeah.. I did that :) [12:46] seb128: great, thanks [12:46] yw [12:46] I blame the resize info plugin for compiz... [12:51] mvo, thanks for doing the upload :) [12:52] yw [12:53] hmmm, when did gdbus land in glib (ie, which release)? [12:53] ah, 2.26 [12:54] chrisccoulson, right [12:58] ok, goodbye apturl dependency :) [12:58] i'm no longer the only person depending on that [13:12] tjaalton: yep, that's it; not that easy to find, though [13:15] pitti: yeah, hope to have a config option for it before the release.. [13:15] tjaalton, see https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECxTfM0hvsbWT2BxA/edit?hl=en_GB section 2.3 [13:16] tjaalton, i.e it "should" happen (if it doesn't get dropped because we don't manage to get to it because too much to do) [13:16] seb128: fixing yelp FTBFS, libfolks-dev missing dep [13:16] seb128: heh, ok.. fingers crossed [13:16] pitti, oki [13:17] tjaalton, if you want to sign for some desktop work feel free btw ;-) [13:18] chrisccoulson, btw I bounced some bugs your way, dunno if you notice stuff where you get Cc-ed or assigned to [13:19] chrisccoulson, oh and I had dinner with my friend who has the tb pop indicator issues during the holidays and he nagged me about it again, I said I would use direct poking until it gets fixed if needed ;-) [13:20] tb, pop, spam filtering, count issue ... dunno how you call it ;-) my friend seems to think it's not specific to pop though, just that tb doesn't refresh its count after dealing with spams locally [13:47] tedg: hi there! I was suggested I ask you about this bug #726639. I tried the gconf-editor workaround and I still have the F10 key captured :-/ [13:48] Launchpad bug 726639 in unity "F10 is captured even if gnome-terminal setting is explictly set to not capture" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/726639 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:51] nessita, That's not a me thing... [13:51] tedg: heh, any idea who I can ask? :-) [13:51] nessita, Probably should harass njpatel or DBO [13:52] tedg: thanks! [13:52] nessita, Neither of which seem to be here today. [13:52] tedg: I will seek for them tomorrow or the day after, thanks! [13:57] does anyone know how to fix a just-now broken gnome-keyring? it broke after an update, full update trace is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/791662/ [13:58] nessita: my fault [13:58] nessita: I'll take care of it [13:58] pitti: let me know! :-) [13:59] nessita: you should be able to run apt-get -f install or dist-upgrade again to fix it locally [13:59] (when is fixed, so I re-update) [13:59] pitti: awesome, thanks [14:00] pitti, you won bug #911232 [14:00] Launchpad bug 911232 in gnome-keyring "package libgcr-3-common (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/gcr-3/ui/gcr-import-dialog.ui', which is also in package libgcr-3-1 3.2.2-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911232 [14:02] bah bug #908805 [14:02] Launchpad bug 908805 in ubuntuone-client "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in got_public_files_cb()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908805 [14:03] dobey, hey, happy new year [14:03] dobey, could you get those u1 bugs fixed? they are collecting retracer dups since before the holidays [14:03] oh and whoever between ken and you uploaded a broken version before the holidays deserves some slapping ;-) [14:05] seb128: broken version of what exactly? I may deserve a slap as well :-) [14:06] seb128: I guess I won the first one, too, that's nessita's [14:06] seb128: not sure about 908805, I can have a look, though; did I break this with my libubuntuone upload? [14:06] nessita, no, that one was for dobey [14:07] seb128: ok, I was asking since I propose a broken package of ubuntuone-control-panel (I forgot to add an entry on a .install file). But ken fixed it and upload it (thanks ken!) [14:08] nessita, the bug I pointed is a segfault in nautilus due to libsyncdaemon [14:08] seb128: ah, I won't take a slap for that :-P [14:08] pitti, sorry, you won the first one indeed, the second one was for dobey [14:08] well dobey or kenvandine [14:08] seb128: ah, misunderstood then [14:08] speaking of who... [14:08] happy new years! [14:08] kenvandine, hey, happy new year ;-) [14:08] kenvandine: hey Ken, happy new year! [14:09] seb128, i talked to dobey about that, he was working on it [14:09] pitti: does something like https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/python-distutils-extra/mvo/+merge/87357 make sense or is lucid compatibility more important? [14:09] i found that crash right before the holiday [14:09] kenvandine, what happened to the "revert if it's not fixed in half a day"? [14:09] kenvandine: I gave you the geoclue task in bug 911125, ok for you? [14:09] Launchpad bug 911125 in librest "FTBFS due to removed g_thread_init" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/911125 [14:09] kenvandine, seems an acceptance criteria fail [14:09]