| dpm | good morning all | 08:06 |
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| trijntje | Is there something we can do to get some more atention to this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/869824 | 10:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 869824 in launchpad "Doing a search in the ddtp-ubuntu project's translations templates times out (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 35)" [Critical,Triaged] | 10:10 |
| iceroot | trijntje: maybe on #launchpad | 10:28 |
| iceroot | trijntje: also i have good results in putting the team on CC of that bug | 10:28 |
| iceroot | trijntje: i added the launchpad-maintainers on cc | 10:29 |
| trijntje | iceroot: ok, thanks | 10:30 |
| trijntje | I don't want to nag them too much, since they are also doing their best. But I also really want that bug fixed :P | 10:31 |
| iceroot | trijntje: imo its not bad to put someone on cc | 10:51 |
| iceroot | trijntje: i am doing that on every bug i create, i look for the maintainers and put them on cc so they will get notified, if they dont want that they can remove themselve again | 10:51 |
| trijntje | iceroot: thats a good idea, I actually thought lp would do that automatically | 10:55 |
| iceroot | trijntje: sometimes it does that but mostly you have to do it by yourself | 10:56 |
| trijntje | ill remember that for futur bug reports, thanks. Now lets wait and see what happens ;) | 11:04 |
| iceroot | trijntje: good luck :) | 11:05 |
| sagaci | so if I change a string today, when can will I see if in the daily builds, estimating, days/weeks/months/etc | 13:48 |
| kelemengabor | sagaci: in theory, there are now new langpacks being created twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays: https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule | 13:53 |
| kelemengabor | in fact, only the exports were generated until now and not the actual binaries | 13:54 |
| sagaci | so once they're in a langpack, you'll see them in the distribution...? | 13:54 |
| kelemengabor | but dpm said yesterday that he will see into it | 13:54 |
| kelemengabor | in precise, yes | 13:54 |
| dpm | kelemengabor, I'm on it, I'm on it :) | 13:55 |
| kelemengabor | dpm: tell sagaci, not me :) | 13:55 |
| dpm | :-) | 13:55 |
| sagaci | thanks, I was just changing the format for the date/time for en_AU and just was wondering how long it'd take for the change to eventuate | 13:56 |
| iceroot | i found 2 missing translated items in the package "evolution" how to find out if there is just a missing translation or if the source-code does not have translation-flags for the menu-items, so its an upstream bug | 14:14 |
| iceroot | imo there was some launchpad-magic | 14:14 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: first, I'd check if it is present in the LP template | 14:19 |
| kelemengabor | so, I'd open https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/hu?batch=300 | 14:19 |
| kelemengabor | search for evolution | 14:20 |
| kelemengabor | and also evolution-data-server | 14:20 |
| kelemengabor | and check if those templates do not contain it | 14:20 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: i will do it now | 14:21 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: the templates are created from ubuntu-users? or are they coming from the upstream-project? | 14:22 |
| kelemengabor | they are from the source packaged by Ubuntu | 14:24 |
| kelemengabor | so these include the strings added by Ubuntu-specific patches | 14:24 |
| kelemengabor | at least in theory, they should | 14:24 |
| sagaci | is there a way to get hard stats on how many strings you've contributed to the ubuntu packages.. I mean there's karma, but it deprecates over time | 14:25 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/evolution-exchange/+pots/evolution-exchange/de/158/+translate that translation is missing in my evolution-exchange | 14:25 |
| iceroot | there it is still called "Permissions..." | 14:25 |
| sagaci | depreciates, I mean | 14:25 |
| iceroot | as it seems its 2 years old there but does not make the way into evolution-exchange | 14:25 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: now this is where it starts being interesting :) | 14:26 |
| kelemengabor | what happens, if you issue | 14:26 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: sorry dont know what you mean | 14:27 |
| kelemengabor | gettext -d evolution-exchange-3.2 "Permissions..." | 14:27 |
| kelemengabor | I'm about to explain :) | 14:27 |
| kelemengabor | so, if the translation is in LP, it should be in the package too | 14:27 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: i get the correct german translation | 14:27 |
| kelemengabor | the above command asks gettext if it can see the string in the domain of the package | 14:28 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: ah, i only get the correct translation for evolution-exchange-3.2 not for evolution-exchange | 14:28 |
| iceroot | and the package ubuntu is using is evolution-exchange, not evolution-exchange-3.2 | 14:29 |
| kelemengabor | that's okay - evolution templates are versioned | 14:29 |
| iceroot | ah ok | 14:29 |
| kelemengabor | most are not, but evolution is, and it changes with each release | 14:29 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/evolution-missing-translation.png its not | 14:30 |
| kelemengabor | for longer strings, or for strings using ngettext, you can also use msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/foo.mo | grep "whatever" | 14:30 |
| iceroot | ii evolution-exchange 3.2.1-0ubuntu2 | 14:31 |
| kelemengabor | okay, so the translation is there, but not showing up, this means usually that there is a bug in the source code | 14:31 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: i will open a LP bug about that and but german translation team on CC | 14:32 |
| kelemengabor | good, so there is no version mismatch between the package and the template | 14:32 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: any other teams that should be put on cc for that issue? | 14:32 |
| kelemengabor | a bug definitely, but only against the ubuntu-translations project | 14:33 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: ok | 14:33 |
| kelemengabor | my guess is that this is a source code problem and not a translation one | 14:33 |
| iceroot | so a evolution-exchange-issue | 14:33 |
| kelemengabor | now, it will be time to see that source | 14:33 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: and please include screenshots | 14:34 |
| iceroot | i will pull the source-package, grep for "Berechtigungen" and if it is there i will create a bug against evoltuion-exchange and also make that upstream | 14:34 |
| iceroot | po/de.po:msgstr "Berechtigungen …" | 14:35 |
| iceroot | so its in the package, then i will do a bug against evolution-exchange and also put that bug upstream. | 14:35 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: thanks for the help | 14:35 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: do you see more untranslated strings, for example when you select those menu entries? | 14:40 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: yes (same screenshot) | 14:40 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: all others are fine (i checked the complete evoltion menus) | 14:40 |
| kelemengabor | okay, thanks | 14:40 |
| kelemengabor | this reduces the number of suspects to one :) | 14:44 |
| iceroot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-exchange/+bug/911269 | 14:44 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 911269 in evolution-exchange (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 14:44 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: if you change to the calendar or tasks view, you should see these entries too | 14:45 |
| kelemengabor | are they translated then? | 14:45 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: no, still "Permissions..." | 14:45 |
| iceroot | i will append that on the bug | 14:45 |
| kelemengabor | good :) | 14:46 |
| kelemengabor | I think I know what's going on | 14:46 |
| kelemengabor | will need some time to test a patch | 14:46 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: no need to hurry, its not a big problem but i like to report such things directly so i dont forget that | 14:47 |
| kelemengabor | please do so :) | 14:48 |
| iceroot | its also upstream on the gnome-project https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667185 | 14:48 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 667185 in Connector "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 14:48 |
| iceroot | so the normal way if i found something like that again is to look if it is already in the launchpad-template, if it is translated there its a bug in the package, if it is not translated its up to me to put the german translation into it | 14:49 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: roughly yes | 14:55 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: if i translate something in launchpad, does that goes automaticly into the next ubuntu-release or the next sec-update? does it also automaticly goes upstream | 15:01 |
| kelemengabor | yes, no, no | 15:02 |
| kelemengabor | in details: | 15:02 |
| kelemengabor | translations made in Precise should go there automatically | 15:02 |
| iceroot | ok but stable-releases are not afftected by that | 15:03 |
| iceroot | are they affected by that when the package is updated for another reason? | 15:03 |
| kelemengabor | translations made in stable releases should go through testing, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA | 15:03 |
| kelemengabor | and translations made in ubuntu should be downloaded and manually submitted to upstream | 15:04 |
| iceroot | thanks for the info, i will do some reading, maybe i can also work on some QA on that topic | 15:04 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: so if i translate something in launchpad i should also mail the upstream-maintainer about that (or the correct language team instead of the maintainer) | 15:04 |
| kelemengabor | yes | 15:05 |
| iceroot | hm | 15:05 |
| iceroot | can i get a *.po from launchpad? so i can easily diff it after my work and also maybe fetch work from some other users too | 15:05 |
| iceroot | so i can diff the upstream *.po with the ubuntu *.po | 15:06 |
| kelemengabor | sure, there is a link above the translatable strings: "Download translation" | 15:07 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: great, now i have a great amount of new infos and i will do some work on that, thank you very much for your usefull help | 15:07 |
| kelemengabor | you are welcome :) | 15:07 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: one more question, if you have some time to test evo-exchange | 15:29 |
| kelemengabor | if you try to set up a new MS Exchange account, can you see untranslated strings? | 15:31 |
| kelemengabor | like on the Receiving Mail page? | 15:31 |
| kelemengabor | because I do, and my gut feeling is that we have a much bigger problem here than a few untranslated menu entries | 15:34 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: i have setup an exchange account (using owa) what page/item do you exactly mean? | 18:48 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: if i go to settings for my exchange account the tab "exchange settings" is completty english | 18:50 |
| iceroot | or better, the headings are german, the rest is english, e.g. "nicht im Büro" (out of office) the heading is german, the complete translation is english | 18:51 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: thanks for the information, could you make a few screenshots? | 18:55 |
| kelemengabor | and I meant the new account wizard under Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts->Add | 18:59 |
| kelemengabor | and its Receiving Email tab | 18:59 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: that wizard is complety translated here on precise | 19:01 |
| kelemengabor | even when you select the MS Exchange type? | 19:02 |
| iceroot | let me recheck | 19:02 |
| kelemengabor | http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/msexchange.png | 19:05 |
| kelemengabor | anything like this? | 19:05 |
| trijntje | I noticed compiz is no longer high in the templates, and upstream has been a mess for a long time. Has there been any change on that recently, as far as translations go? | 19:07 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/evoultion-screenshots/ | 19:07 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: yes, the one you posted is the same for me with the english text | 19:07 |
| iceroot | also some other screenshots with issues about exchange | 19:08 |
| kelemengabor | iceroot: thanks, looks like we found a really ugly bug here | 19:11 |
| iceroot | can you paste that on the gnome-bugtracker? | 19:13 |
| iceroot | and maybe give me a short overview about the bug/reason? | 19:13 |
| kelemengabor | sure | 19:13 |
| iceroot | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714618 | 19:13 |
| ubot4 | Mozilla bug 714618 in de / German "Missing german menu-translation in thunderbird 10 for entry "new" (10.0~b1+build1-0ubuntu1)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 19:13 |
| iceroot | ah the wron one | 19:14 |
| kelemengabor | this is fixed? nice to hear that too :) | 19:14 |
| iceroot | its not fixed | 19:14 |
| iceroot | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667185 | 19:14 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 667185 in Connector "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 19:14 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: the thunderbird bug is not fixed, they did something strange on ther bugtracker | 19:15 |
| iceroot | i guess all mailclients are bugged in translations :) | 19:15 |
| kelemengabor | I mean they set it fixed in upstream. it will take a little while until it trickles down to us, but that's ok | 19:16 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: but i cant find the fix in upstream | 19:17 |
| iceroot | but i have already comment on that bug if someone can give me a hint about that | 19:17 |
| iceroot | kelemengabor: have to do some sleeping, if you need further infos just leave a message here | 19:21 |
| kelemengabor | sure, thanks for your help | 19:22 |
| kelemengabor | https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389445 | 20:26 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 389445 in Connector "intltool-update complains about missing files" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] | 20:26 |
| kelemengabor | erm, and I'm trying to fix this dead software :( | 20:27 |
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