[08:06] <dpm> good morning all
[10:10] <trijntje> Is there something we can do to get some more atention to this bug?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/869824
[10:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 869824 in launchpad "Doing a search in the ddtp-ubuntu project's translations templates times out (affects: 5) (dups: 2) (heat: 35)" [Critical,Triaged]
[10:28] <iceroot> trijntje: maybe on #launchpad
[10:28] <iceroot> trijntje: also i have good results in putting the team on CC of that bug
[10:29] <iceroot> trijntje: i added the launchpad-maintainers on cc
[10:30] <trijntje> iceroot: ok, thanks
[10:31] <trijntje> I don't want to nag them too much, since they are also doing their best. But I also really want that bug fixed :P
[10:51] <iceroot> trijntje: imo its not bad to put someone on cc
[10:51] <iceroot> trijntje: i am doing that on every bug i create, i look for the maintainers and put them on cc so they will get notified, if they dont want that they can remove themselve again
[10:55] <trijntje> iceroot: thats a good idea, I actually thought lp would do that automatically
[10:56] <iceroot> trijntje: sometimes it does that but mostly you have to do it by yourself
[11:04] <trijntje> ill remember that for futur bug reports, thanks. Now lets wait and see what happens ;)
[11:05] <iceroot> trijntje: good luck :)
[13:48] <sagaci> so if I change a string today, when can will I see if in the daily builds, estimating, days/weeks/months/etc
[13:53] <kelemengabor> sagaci: in theory, there are now new langpacks being created twice a week, on Tuesdays and Fridays: https://dev.launchpad.net/Translations/LanguagePackSchedule
[13:54] <kelemengabor> in fact, only the exports were generated until now and not the actual binaries
[13:54] <sagaci> so once they're in a langpack, you'll see them in the distribution...?
[13:54] <kelemengabor> but dpm said yesterday that he will see into it
[13:54] <kelemengabor> in precise, yes
[13:55] <dpm> kelemengabor, I'm on it, I'm on it :)
[13:55] <kelemengabor> dpm: tell sagaci, not me :)
[13:55] <dpm> :-)
[13:56] <sagaci> thanks, I was just changing the format for the date/time for en_AU and just was wondering how long it'd take for the change to eventuate
[14:14] <iceroot> i found 2 missing translated items in the package "evolution" how to find out if there is just a missing translation or if the source-code does not have translation-flags for the menu-items, so its an upstream bug
[14:14] <iceroot> imo there was some launchpad-magic
[14:19] <kelemengabor> iceroot: first, I'd check if it is present in the LP template
[14:19] <kelemengabor> so, I'd open https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+lang/hu?batch=300
[14:20] <kelemengabor> search for evolution
[14:20] <kelemengabor> and also evolution-data-server
[14:20] <kelemengabor> and check if those templates do not contain it
[14:21] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i will do it now
[14:22] <iceroot> kelemengabor: the templates are created from ubuntu-users? or are they coming from the upstream-project?
[14:24] <kelemengabor> they are from the source packaged by Ubuntu
[14:24] <kelemengabor> so these include the strings added by Ubuntu-specific patches
[14:24] <kelemengabor> at least in theory, they should
[14:25] <sagaci> is there a way to get hard stats on how many strings you've contributed to the ubuntu packages.. I mean there's karma, but it deprecates over time
[14:25] <iceroot> kelemengabor: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/evolution-exchange/+pots/evolution-exchange/de/158/+translate  that translation is missing in my evolution-exchange
[14:25] <iceroot> there it is still called "Permissions..."
[14:25] <sagaci> depreciates, I mean
[14:25] <iceroot> as it seems its 2 years old there but does not make the way into evolution-exchange
[14:26] <kelemengabor> iceroot: now this is where it starts being interesting :)
[14:26] <kelemengabor> what happens, if you issue
[14:27] <iceroot> kelemengabor: sorry dont know what you mean
[14:27] <kelemengabor> gettext -d evolution-exchange-3.2 "Permissions..."
[14:27] <kelemengabor> I'm about to explain :)
[14:27] <kelemengabor> so, if the translation is in LP, it should be in the package too
[14:27] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i get the correct german translation
[14:28] <kelemengabor> the above command asks gettext if it can see the string in the domain of the package
[14:28] <iceroot> kelemengabor: ah, i only get the correct translation for evolution-exchange-3.2 not for evolution-exchange
[14:29] <iceroot> and the package ubuntu is using is evolution-exchange, not evolution-exchange-3.2
[14:29] <kelemengabor> that's okay - evolution templates are versioned
[14:29] <iceroot> ah ok
[14:29] <kelemengabor> most are not, but evolution is, and it changes with each release
[14:30] <iceroot> kelemengabor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/evolution-missing-translation.png its not
[14:30] <kelemengabor> for longer strings, or for strings using ngettext, you can also use msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/de/LC_MESSAGES/foo.mo | grep "whatever"
[14:31] <iceroot> ii  evolution-exchange                      3.2.1-0ubuntu2
[14:31] <kelemengabor> okay, so the translation is there, but not showing up, this means usually that there is a bug in the source code
[14:32] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i will open a LP bug about that and but german translation team on CC
[14:32] <kelemengabor> good, so there is no version mismatch between the package and the template
[14:32] <iceroot> kelemengabor: any other teams that should be put on cc for that issue?
[14:33] <kelemengabor> a bug definitely, but only against the ubuntu-translations project
[14:33] <iceroot> kelemengabor: ok
[14:33] <kelemengabor> my guess is that this is a source code problem and not a translation one
[14:33] <iceroot> so a evolution-exchange-issue
[14:33] <kelemengabor> now, it will be time to see that source
[14:34] <kelemengabor> iceroot: and please include screenshots
[14:34] <iceroot> i will pull the source-package, grep for "Berechtigungen" and if it is there i will create a bug against evoltuion-exchange and also make that upstream
[14:35] <iceroot> po/de.po:msgstr "Berechtigungen …"
[14:35] <iceroot> so its in the package, then i will do a bug against evolution-exchange and also put that bug upstream.
[14:35] <iceroot> kelemengabor: thanks for the help
[14:40] <kelemengabor> iceroot: do you see more untranslated strings, for example when you select those menu entries?
[14:40] <iceroot> kelemengabor: yes (same screenshot)
[14:40] <iceroot> kelemengabor: all others are fine (i checked the complete evoltion menus)
[14:40] <kelemengabor> okay, thanks
[14:44] <kelemengabor> this reduces the number of suspects to one :)
[14:44] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/evolution-exchange/+bug/911269
[14:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 911269 in evolution-exchange (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[14:45] <kelemengabor> iceroot: if you change to the calendar or tasks view, you should see these entries too
[14:45] <kelemengabor> are they translated then?
[14:45] <iceroot> kelemengabor: no, still "Permissions..."
[14:45] <iceroot> i will append that on the bug
[14:46] <kelemengabor> good :)
[14:46] <kelemengabor> I think I know what's going on
[14:46] <kelemengabor> will need some time to test a patch
[14:47] <iceroot> kelemengabor: no need to hurry, its not a big problem but i like to report such things directly so i dont forget that
[14:48] <kelemengabor> please do so :)
[14:48] <iceroot> its also upstream on the gnome-project https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667185
[14:48] <ubot4> Gnome bug 667185 in Connector "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[14:49] <iceroot> so the normal way if i found something like that again is to look if it is already in the launchpad-template, if it is translated there its a bug in the package, if it is not translated its up to me to put the german translation into it
[14:55] <kelemengabor> iceroot: roughly yes
[15:01] <iceroot> kelemengabor: if i translate something in launchpad, does that goes automaticly into the next ubuntu-release or the next sec-update? does it also automaticly goes upstream
[15:02] <kelemengabor> yes, no, no
[15:02] <kelemengabor> in details:
[15:02] <kelemengabor> translations made in Precise should go there automatically
[15:03] <iceroot> ok but stable-releases are not afftected by that
[15:03] <iceroot> are they affected by that when the package is updated for another reason?
[15:03] <kelemengabor> translations made in stable releases should go through testing, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/LanguagePackUpdatesQA
[15:04] <kelemengabor> and translations made in ubuntu should be downloaded and manually submitted to upstream
[15:04] <iceroot> thanks for the info, i will do some reading, maybe i can also work on some QA on that topic
[15:04] <iceroot> kelemengabor: so if i translate something in launchpad i should also mail the upstream-maintainer about that (or the correct language team instead of the maintainer)
[15:05] <kelemengabor> yes
[15:05] <iceroot> hm
[15:05] <iceroot> can i get a *.po from launchpad? so i can easily diff it after my work and also maybe fetch work from some other users too
[15:06] <iceroot> so i can diff the upstream *.po with the ubuntu *.po
[15:07] <kelemengabor> sure, there is a link above the translatable strings: "Download translation"
[15:07] <iceroot> kelemengabor: great, now i have a great amount of new infos and i will do some work on that, thank you very much for your usefull help
[15:07] <kelemengabor> you are welcome :)
[15:29] <kelemengabor> iceroot: one more question, if you have some time to test evo-exchange
[15:31] <kelemengabor> if you try to set up a new MS Exchange account, can you see untranslated strings?
[15:31] <kelemengabor> like on the Receiving Mail page?
[15:34] <kelemengabor> because I do, and my gut feeling is that we have a much bigger problem here than a few untranslated menu entries
[18:48] <iceroot> kelemengabor: i have setup an exchange account (using owa) what page/item do you exactly mean?
[18:50] <iceroot> kelemengabor: if i go to settings for my exchange account the tab "exchange settings" is completty english
[18:51] <iceroot> or better, the headings are german, the rest is english, e.g. "nicht im Büro" (out of office) the heading is german, the complete translation is english
[18:55] <kelemengabor> iceroot: thanks for the information, could you make a few screenshots?
[18:59] <kelemengabor> and I meant the new account wizard under Edit->Preferences->Mail Accounts->Add
[18:59] <kelemengabor> and its Receiving Email tab
[19:01] <iceroot> kelemengabor: that wizard is complety translated here on precise
[19:02] <kelemengabor> even when you select the MS Exchange type?
[19:02] <iceroot> let me recheck
[19:05] <kelemengabor> http://people.ubuntu.com/~kelemeng/pix/msexchange.png
[19:05] <kelemengabor> anything like this?
[19:07] <trijntje> I noticed compiz is no longer high in the templates, and upstream has been a mess for a long time. Has there been any change on that recently, as far as translations go?
[19:07] <iceroot> kelemengabor: http://alpha-unix.de/~iceroot/ubuntu/evoultion-screenshots/
[19:07] <iceroot> kelemengabor: yes, the one you posted is the same for me with the english text
[19:08] <iceroot> also some other screenshots with issues about exchange
[19:11] <kelemengabor> iceroot: thanks, looks like we found a really ugly bug here
[19:13] <iceroot> can you paste that on the gnome-bugtracker?
[19:13] <iceroot> and maybe give me a short overview about the bug/reason?
[19:13] <kelemengabor> sure
[19:13] <iceroot> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=714618
[19:13] <ubot4> Mozilla bug 714618 in de / German "Missing german menu-translation in thunderbird 10 for entry "new" (10.0~b1+build1-0ubuntu1)" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[19:14] <iceroot> ah the wron one
[19:14] <kelemengabor> this is fixed? nice to hear that too :)
[19:14] <iceroot> its not fixed
[19:14] <iceroot> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667185
[19:14] <ubot4> Gnome bug 667185 in Connector "evolution-exchange is ignoring already translated menu-items (Permissions..., Berechtigungen...)" [Normal,Unconfirmed]
[19:15] <iceroot> kelemengabor: the thunderbird bug is not fixed, they did something strange on ther bugtracker
[19:15] <iceroot> i guess all mailclients are bugged in translations :)
[19:16] <kelemengabor> I mean they set it fixed in upstream. it will take a little while until it trickles down to us, but that's ok
[19:17] <iceroot> kelemengabor: but i cant find the fix in upstream
[19:17] <iceroot> but i have already comment on that bug if someone can give me a hint about that
[19:21] <iceroot> kelemengabor: have to do some sleeping, if you need further infos just leave a message here
[19:22] <kelemengabor> sure, thanks for your help
[20:26] <kelemengabor> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=389445
[20:26] <ubot4> Gnome bug 389445 in Connector "intltool-update complains about missing files" [Normal,Resolved: wontfix]
[20:27] <kelemengabor> erm, and I'm trying to fix this dead software :(