=== optimusP is now known as the_hulk === optimusP is now known as the_hulk [06:59] aloha [07:00] \o === cgriff is now known as Guest94794 [08:29] Morning [08:49] So this is the year I get rid of 90% of my computing annoyances \o/ [08:50] First thing on the list, get a decent keyboard [08:52] Decent as in not filled with crumbs and hairs? :P [08:53] MartijnVdS: As in I may go the whole hog and get a Das Keyboard :) [08:53] Scary :) [08:53] * MartijnVdS is happy with his MS "Wired 600" keyboard [08:53] it has a play/pause button! [08:54] I've got an aluminium apple thing that's ok, but annoys me as it doesn't *click* [08:54] mine doesn't click audibly [08:54] :( [08:54] but you can feel when it "takes" [09:01] morning all [09:01] and happy new year [09:04] hiya folks [09:04] It's so windy in Edinburgh, a lamp post has been blown over. [09:10] One of them, or a lot of them? [09:10] Just one, the police are blocking that lane on the roundabout. [09:10] Scotland has roundaboutitis as well? [09:11] Unfortunately the BBC 'jamcam' isn't pointing the right way to see it. [09:11] Edinburgh bypass has many roundabouts, it's a long dual carriageway with sliproads. [09:11] they're starting to replace every crossing with roundabouts around here as well [09:12] We're at 80ish km/hr winds here atm [09:13] dwatkins: http://estofex.org/ [09:13] http://www.bbc.co.uk/travelnews/edinburghandeastscotland/trafficcameras/ - many roundabouts on the bypass to be seen here if you zoom in, I'm at the junction of the A720 and the A71 at about 9 o'clock on this map. [09:13] yeah, it's pretty severe here. [09:15] http://buienradar.nl/wb.aspx?soort=wind&tijd=0 is also cool [09:17] I tend to use yr.no for weather news, it has a handy all-in-one graph: http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Edinburgh/hour_by_hour.html [09:18] Ooh [09:18] buienradar has something like that as well, but in a buggy layout [09:18] The image is at a consistent URL by the look of it, so you could set the background or have a webpage which updated every hour or so. [09:19] There's an Android app, but it's awful, sadly. I imagine a meta refresh tag in a piece of html would do much better [09:19] dwatkins: The image is a copy of the one issued by KNMI (Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute) [09:19] * dwatkins goes to knock one up [09:19] aha :) [09:19] I used to support KNMI's cluster, they have a lot of compute power there. [09:20] Looks like the police have moved the lamp post. [09:20] but.. it might be powered! health! safety! :P [09:20] indeed [10:10] Good morning all, happy new year! [10:10] Happy new year [10:10] morning [10:31] Is +39 Germany? [10:32] nope [10:32] +39 is Italy, note that you should include the zero with Italian numbers [10:33] I'm unlikely to call it, just pondering an email from somebody wanting to use our services [10:34] who needs a telephone when there's VoiP, anyway? ;-) [10:34] gord does! can't figure voip out [10:34] (I'm joking because there isn't yet a VoiP service that's universal and easy to use that isn't owned by MS) [10:34] * popey hugs voip [10:34] * popey hugs his cisco 7940 [10:35] I like SIP, but there's no central repository, and no clear mechanism to call from one network to another that I'm aware of. [10:35] GNU Free Call? [10:35] dwatkins: The mechanism to call between networks is POTS :) [10:35] daubers: oh, that's a shame [10:35] I have a sipgate.co.uk account which has an incoming number in Reading, so my relatives can call me via a local number. [10:36] Though some voip providers do have a mechanism to go voip -> voip [10:36] yeah, i have a sipgate number coming to my desk :D [10:36] and a voip number from work [10:36] Skype is great in theory, but the whole supernode thing is a bit of a pain, and it's blocked in my office. [10:36] popey: do you use the Tandberg software to make all your phones ring, too? [10:38] skype would be nice if the software was better, though i'd like google talk on my phone or something. have a data only simcard and do everything through that [10:39] I wonder if google will bring Voice over to the UK someday soon [10:39] would be nice - or just make android -> android calls free or something ;) [10:40] Can you nto do that with hangouts? [10:40] or does that not work on android at the moment? [10:40] it kind of works, but is video as well as audio [10:41] and on speakerphone [10:41] good morning everyone. [10:41] I've not tried hangouts, sounds pretty good [10:42] well ideally, it would be nice if when i go to make a call, if it see's that someone has a gmail email address associated or something and notes they are online somehow, it just runs through gtalk. we have gtalk right? not the phone numbers, but the ability to talk through google somehow [10:42] dwatkins: no [10:42] gord: precisely, if you could do that, it would be great [10:42] gord: same with texting vs gtalk [10:43] does the messaging thing have non text integration on android yet? i've not really looked at ICS. i hate the messaging app on android [10:43] gord: n900 has that. Before I switched to my current Android phone I'd call or text someone and it'd ask me if I want to call them using phone/sip1/sip2/xmpp/skype and same for text [10:44] gord: no :( [10:44] never could get the same kind of integration on Android ... [10:44] The integration could be done easily, I think... but you'd have to cope with people who don't have Android phones but who do use gtalk on the desktop [10:44] (and other exceptions) [10:45] thats fine, there are already messaging applications that do that, its just that if i want to IM someone i have to use one application, but to text them i have to use another [10:45] MartijnVdS: xmpp/gtalk has a flag saying "mobile" so you can already know if your contact is a phone or a computer [10:45] stgraber: true [10:58] So who hasn't seen emfcamp? [10:58] Me. What is it? [10:59] What's that? [10:59] http://www.emfcamp.org/ <- some people trying to organise something like CCC in the uk :) [11:00] Applied for it. [11:01] * popey joins #ukhackcamp [11:03] morning all and a happy new year! [11:04] davmor2! morning, what date did you set for the work room thingy again? [11:05] morning davmor2 [11:05] MooDoo: morning dude [11:05] MooDoo: did you go for the same resolution as me to annoy czajkowski more in 2012? [11:05] 1680x1050 [11:05] ? [11:06] davmor2: I see you go for resolutions you think you can attain [11:06] gord: 26th [11:06] davmor2: *hugs* missed you too!! [11:06] rather than the bog standard ones that no one manages for more than a month [11:06] Pendulum: I like to think I do :) [11:07] awesome, adding to the calender :) [11:07] czajkowski: prod I'm baaaaaaaaaccccccccckkkkkkkkkk! [11:11] happy new year all :) [11:17] Happy new year ;-D [11:18] happy new year dwatkins jutnux [11:27] morning morning [11:27] morning [11:29] Morning [11:36] Hmm.... power is fluctuatin madly [11:36] Storm? [11:37] Yup [11:37] Skyrim time \o/ [11:37] * MartijnVdS shoots an arrow at jutnux' knee [11:37] NO! no more of that [11:37] * daubers goes to get lunch while the power is being weird [11:37] we left that behind in 2011 [11:37] just rebooted my desktop PC because it's the start of a new year. how gratuitous of me...only 69 days uptime [11:37] gord: We did? [11:38] oimon: Do you just hibernate? [11:38] jutnux: no, it's my work PC, i just leave it on all the time [11:38] Oh right [11:38] feel bad cos it didn't need a reboot really [11:38] My alarm failed to go off this morning [11:38] Stupid Tune-In [11:39] the wind kept me awake..no alarm req'd [11:39] and i was excited to go back to work of course :) [12:09] should i be able to suspend my home PC which has an nvidia card and the proprietary drivers as installed by ubuntu 11.10? doesn't suspend for me [12:10] Proprietary drivers + suspend... I wish you luck :) [12:10] yeah ..:( [12:10] it is seriously wet outside [12:11] christel: also, seriously windy [12:11] (and in my porch, for some bizarre reason the wind is keeping my letter box open, which in turn is letting the rain in) [12:11] Duct tape \o/ [12:11] porch [12:13] but then i'd never get your love letters :( [12:13] you need one of those brushes on the inside of the letter box slot [12:14] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stylish-Letter-Box-Draught-Excluder/dp/B003D4YEQ6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325592855&sr=8-1 [12:15] i have the brishes but not the internal flap [12:15] stylish even! [12:15] i have an internal flap, whethere there are brushes inside it i dont know -- i am scared of the letter box thingie [12:15] the missis wants a porch though :( [12:15] Man I hate coming back to work after a holiday Tooooooo many emails [12:15] * MartijnVdS has a flap with springs in it, so it won't open unless you REALLY try [12:16] most of my emails were from bacula who never sleeps [12:16] i go all panick-y when people get stuck in it [12:16] errr, things, not people [12:16] because i never dare put my fingers in to pull stuff out [12:16] christel: People? In your mailbox? :) [12:16] (we have post boxes back home in my country, thus i presume that the letter box is actually a monster mouth full of teeth!) [12:16] MartijnVdS: :P [12:16] http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111024023147AAK2hjs [12:18] We actually have a government standard(!) dictating the minimum sizes: 265mm x 32mm and between 0.6m and 1.8m above the ground [12:18] seen the raspberry pi auctions? they are doing well [12:18] they're auctioning RPis? [12:18] How much are thye at the minute oimon? [12:18] jutnux: £2k and £1k [12:18] http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/raspberry_pi/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p3686 [12:19] follow @raspberry_pi on tw*tter [12:19] Woah [12:19] oimon: "twitter" isn't a family-unfriendly word afaik ;) [12:20] i know the real reason the RPi is delayed...they spend all their time answering questions from numpties who won't read the FAQ [12:20] oimon: but one of their blog posts pointed me to sugru. The family loved that christmas present :) [12:21] this year i really want to move from twitter to g+ as most of my twitter people are probably RSSfeeds anyway [12:21] * MartijnVdS G+es [12:21] too bad nobody seems to read what I post there [12:21] twitter got a bit too noisy for me and i'm a bit too lazy to prune it [12:22] * oimon adds MartijnVdS [12:22] \o/ [12:23] we should probably do a bit more g+ tarting in this irc [12:24] http://gordallott.com/+ ;) [12:24] * oimon adds gord too [12:24] http://cuth.eu/+ [12:25] man, they really made html5 tags for everything [12:25]

[12:27] hopefully now it won't just be popey filling up my g+ feed [12:27] Yeah he's good at that :) [12:27] Together with AlanBell [12:28] I am not that verbose [12:28] follow fab for that [12:29] AlanBell: what happaned to the beard?! [12:29] heh [12:29] fab scher? i unfgollowed him due to excessive trolling [12:29] oimon: too bad it's not trolling :( [12:29] bigcalm: a strong gust of wind blew it off [12:30] If you suffer from low blood pressure, I suspect following fab may be medically advisable [12:30] Did you use just for men? Your beard looked surprisingly dark compared to other visible hair... ;) [12:30] my hair is all dark brown I will have you know [12:31] lies [12:31] a beard changes the face shape enormously [12:31] denial [12:31] Hehe [12:32] HazRPG: My hemmeroids are flaring up so badly and are so painful ATM. :( [12:32] Bye [12:32] \o [12:32] That's trolling [12:33] must be a mental issue [12:36] hmm gnome doesn't honour my preferred browser choice of chromium [12:37] did you tell it in all three places? [12:38] :( [12:38] no [12:38] just 2 [12:41] the Akash — which is the world’s cheapest tablet — has received 1.4 million pre-orders in just two weeks.That’s a rate of 100,000 customers for the $45 tablet every day and, according to Times of India, manufacturer Datawind is duly increasing its production capacity by opening three new factories to churn out more of the in-demand device. [12:53] it's *opening factories* based on one product's sales [12:53] blimey [12:53] I can't remember all three places. I presume you've done Gnome's preferences and update-alternatives? [12:53] oimon: ^ [13:01] I want an Akash :-( [13:08] why? [13:08] 2009 - Viglen [13:08] 2010 - Joggler [13:08] 2011 - Microserver [13:08] 2012 - Akash ? [13:09] Tandoori restaurant? [13:09] what jutnux means is that he wants an expensive tablet but will settle for a cheapo one :) [13:10] BigRedS: done all 3 now..now i'm thinking the issue is application specific i.e. hotot and couple of others [13:10] Happy New Year everyone. [13:11] oimon: ah, what was the third? [13:11] 2007 - asus eee pc [13:11] 2008 - ? [13:12] BigRedS: i checked in the actual browser prefs "i'm the default browser" [13:12] ohhh [13:13] oimon: No :p, I just want to test it out ;) [13:15] just received my vmware ice scraper :-\ [13:16] my friend got an ebuyer one [13:17] when you're a valued customer of ebuyer you know things are getting bad [13:21] there's some good deals on unhealthy food right now in the shops [13:22] aren't there always? ;) [13:23] even better now that chrimstas is over and nobody wants to eat any more crisps and peanuts etc..except me [13:23] I do :| [13:24] Desktop PCs and laptops using processors based on ARM Holdings Plc's architecture will account for 10 percent of total PCs by 2013, eroding demand for traditional processors using Intel Corp.'s chipsets, Morgan Stanley said Monday. The figure, which is higher than the 3.5 percent projected by International Data Corp. (IDC), will represent roughly 39 million PCs, excluding tablet computers, the U.S. investment bank said in a research note. [13:24] does that mean I can get an Archimedes? ;) [13:25] i'll sell you my A3000 [13:25] :) [13:25] doesn't it have a weird vga port? [13:26] I didn't think it was VGA, I thought it was fairly proprietary like the BBC Micro's RGB port. [13:26] yeah [13:27] Why do i eat at my desk :'( [13:27] Now there are crums everywhere [13:27] crumbs [13:28] crumbs! [13:29] Crumbs! [13:30] my dad used to love saying crumbs and "stone the crows!" [13:31] you dear. need a bib. [13:31] I often find myself using alternative words, e.g. "For fate's sake!" [13:33] "frak" :() [13:34] * dwatkins grins at MooDoo [13:34] anyone tried magic elves? [13:34] Great show, that. [13:34] chocolate with space dust inside [13:34] Does something happen if you rub them together, oimon? [13:34] We're all just stardust... [13:38] or "popping candy" as the USians call it [13:39] popey: How is that Zoostorm PC working out for you? [13:40] pretty good [13:40] am on it right now [13:40] it's quite cheap. [13:40] Yeah I had a look [13:40] By the way did the guys at bitfolk give you your referral bonus or whatever the heck it is? [13:41] http://popey.com/~alan/zoostorm.html [13:41] thats lshw [13:42] how cheap? [13:42] Quite [13:42] my nephew wants a PC capable of minecraft server [13:43] oimon: http://www.ebuyer.com/251310-zoostorm-desktop-7873-1036 [13:44] oimon: i run minecraft server on a revo [13:44] 4gb ram? [13:44] 3.something [13:44] yeah, my nephew has 2gb max allowed on his mobo. [13:44] pc is otherwise okayish [13:45] how many people will connect to it? [13:45] not many i don't reckon [13:45] 2GB should be fine [13:45] chat later [13:45] i would like to encourage him though as i would like him to start learning linux [13:46] How old is he? [13:46] afternoon peeps [13:46] :) [13:46] 14/15 [13:46] oimon: so.. 0.933333 [13:46] ICT at school is poo, and is actually putting him off computers [13:46] Hello ham [13:47] oimon: Agreed. Stupid word processing :-( [13:47] oimon: http://codeyear.com/ get him on that? [13:47] I have to sit through it everyday. [13:47] and he lives too far from me to go round and show him cool stuff === HypnoBox is now known as TheHypnotist_ [13:48] i went round to fix his PC the other day, but for petrol costs i could have purchased a nvidia card from ebuyer for the same price [13:48] PCIe graphics card had blown..stripes on screen even in bios [13:48] oimon: Install a robot, help him remotely using the robot arm as your avatar/proxy [13:49] oimon: THEN teach him how to make/control one of his own :) [13:49] what's codeyear? any language in particular? [13:49] I think it is a web language [13:49] Don't know though [13:49] I think it starts with javascript [13:49] oimon, computers are like maths imo, apply them to something someone is already interested in, and they will get interested [13:50] yeah...like getting minecraft server running [13:50] he is too interested in skyrim etc right now [13:51] I was thinking, maybe music, cars or something [13:51] games tend to encourage people to windows ;) [13:51] Computer games, distracting smart young people from coding since the 1970s ;) [13:52] i played 10 hrs of zelda since christmas day, that's quite impressive since i have no free time [13:53] you "had" 10 hours until you loaded that game ;) [13:53] popey 2012 - playbook [13:53] the what? [13:53] http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/02/blackberry-playbook-fire-sale-android-market-access-hack/ [13:53] I was being facecious ☺ [13:54] still don't think people would buy the playbook if it was free [13:54] I wish companies didn't sell PCs with OSs on as it bumps up the price [13:54] and all I do is wipe it off and put Ubuntu on [13:54] you can get them without OSs [13:54] I know but [13:54] zoostorm sell naked computers [13:54] but the price isnt *that* much lower. Windows only costs ~£5 to the OEMs [13:54] although mine came with windows 7 [13:54] more like 35-50 BigRedS [13:55] oimon: Oh, fair enough. [13:55] or in my experience £64 [13:55] windows is "free" once you take into account crapware? [13:56] http://oimon.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/remove-windows-tax-before-purchase-save-64/ [13:56] Either way it gets removed :P [13:58] System76 is quite cheap though [13:58] I sort of like an OS installed, to check everything is working though :) [14:00] windows is subsidized. in some cases it's cheaper than free for the OEM [14:00] the MS tax on android devices annoys me more tbh [14:00] grrrr [14:00] Afternoon all [14:01] even though I don't use android, just don't like someone getting something for nothing [14:01] ;) [14:02] directhex: are you getting involved with eOS then? [14:03] hamitron, agreed [14:03] oimon, ? [14:03] directhex: wrong person woops :) [14:10] i'm really struggling to get back in the swing of things today after 3wks off [14:11] slacker! [14:12] oimon, i've got a stack to get through [14:12] can't afford to slack [14:12] i finished a lot of tasks before the break so i have to work up the enthusiasm to find new ones that i'll enjoy [14:13] all the outstanding stuff is drudgery and paperwork [14:13] not v inspiring [14:14] Brb, going to do a practice exam paper. [14:16] * daubers needs staff [14:17] daubers: Hire some [14:17] daubers: the economy could use the boost :P [14:17] MartijnVdS: I'm trying too dammit! [14:21] grrrrr [14:21] first deliveries of the year, high speed winds and rain [14:22] * hamitron shivers [14:23] oimon, paperwork actually seems rather appealing atm [14:23] :) [14:24] it's raining so hard here, I can't see the next building.. about 150m away [14:24] also, wind [14:24] not that bad here [14:25] but not great motorcycling weather still [14:25] ;) [14:25] suns just popped out [14:25] it's freezing in my office though [14:26] I'm gonna get set off [14:26] laters [14:26] o/ [14:26] * hamitron shivers some more [14:30] hello ubuntu-uk :) [14:30] happy new year [14:31] and now the the please help me bit [14:31] afternoonings samantha [14:31] welcome. [14:31] my spidey-sense is tingling [14:31] popey-sense [14:31] * [14:32] i am trying to debug a script, but my syslog is spammed with not enough space in MgmtRing, MgmtRingFullCount=15103705! [14:32] can i disable logging for wifi? for a bit so i can debug my scripts? [14:34] hey brobostigon , thanks for the welcome [14:34] :) [14:37] /etc/rsyslog.d has config files, or alternatively send your logging to a different file. [14:38] good news oimon [14:42] yay i fixed it, well i 'right-clicked' network manager doh! and disable wireless was an option [14:43] omg tho :O the wireless log spam did suspend my cron jobs [14:46] oh puddle, it wasnt that [14:49] http://www.ie6countdown.com/ < over 25% of china are on ie6 [14:54] their loss [14:56] although my touchpad running android is reporting an ipad ua string :) [14:56] most of china is running pirated XP, hence all the IE6 [14:59] why would that restrict the browser version? [15:00] Because MS doesn't allow updates on pirated XP [15:01] oh [15:01] i may have to get xp :(, cant watch lovefilm streams now because of sliverlight [15:02] Tried moonlight? [15:02] yes [15:02] samantha: Why XP then? Win7 does silverlight too. And moonlight. [15:02] drm is not part of moonlight [15:02] Bah. [15:02] xp is zippy MartijnVdS [15:02] so is win7 on my machine :) [15:03] but you can by xp for 27 pence :O [15:03] *buy [15:03] legally? [15:03] Complain at lovefilm first, at least. [15:03] MS will stop updates for it in 2014 [15:04] well i am sure its cheaper than win7 [15:04] i have done Darael [15:04] and will continue to do so [15:04] netflix are coming to uk i believe [15:04] i heard its not getting revised on tnt MartijnVdS [15:04] samantha, happen to have an xbox360 or a ps3 anywhere? i watch all my lovefilm on my ps3. would just quit lovefilm if i didn't have that. not worth fussing about with windows just to watch a movie [15:04] oh gord everyone tells me to buy an xbox [15:05] oh don't buy an xbox for it, that would be silly ;) [15:05] samantha: PS3 is better doubles as a blu-ray player too [15:05] lol it would be but, for chatting and stuffs and my daughter tells me to get skyrim [15:06] i think ps3 is a nicer device to have, but you can get really basic xboxes for really cheep [15:07] or just switch to an alternate film streaming service [15:07] i can't remember the last film i watched [15:08] I'm in favour of the PS3, although I've still not forgiven Sony for removing the Other OS option, especially after they said they wouldn't. [15:09] samantha: ps3 has skyrim too and there is a web browser for chat/twitter/facebook [15:09]