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rick_h__phew, bed time == hack time00:06
rick_h__Blazeix: you going to be at CHC wed?01:02
rick_h__Blazeix: if so, care to block out time for code review/css help in getting the control pretty?01:03
Blazeixrick_h__: yeah, I should be there. sounds fun :)01:23
jjesseevening02:02
jjesseeveryone having fun?02:02
snap-ljjesse: totally.02:23
jjesseyay02:24
snap-lYourself?02:26
jjessei think so, trying to get the new year started after being off for a week and then spending all day driving02:27
snap-lUgh, that's no fun.02:40
tjagodaOhi02:43
snap-lHey tjagoda02:46
tjagodatjagoda is not prepared to return to work from vacation tomorrow02:47
snap-lI can imagine02:47
snap-lI'm not ready to return to an office.02:47
tjagodaTrainin on EDI for the new ERP the next three days02:47
tjagodaTraining*02:48
tjagodaNeed to learn Oracle plSQL02:48
snap-lLucky you02:48
snap-lHope you remember your basntardized Pascal02:48
tjagodaCombining Procedural language with SQL just sounds painful02:48
snap-lFrom what I remembered of PLSQL, I didn't quite see the point of not using Perl externally from the database.02:49
tjagodaI am forced to use plSQL from inside the ERP application02:50
tjagoda='(02:50
snap-lWEll, it could be worse.02:51
snap-l(Actually, who am I kidding? It's pretty bad. ;) )02:51
snap-l(kidding)02:51
snap-l(mostly)02:51
tjagodaHopefully I will not have to bombard you with PLSQL inquiries =P02:51
snap-lI've forgotten more PL/SQL than I ever learned.02:51
tjagoda"Remember years ago when you used this under duress?"02:52
snap-lthen spending all day     │ lotia_02:52
snap-lWell, that was entertaining02:52
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL02:52
snap-lLet's try that again.02:52
tjagodalolz02:53
snap-lFrankly, it was a godsend when they embedded Java in Oracle02:54
snap-land I don't say that lightly.02:54
tjagodaI have roughly 30ish days to learn EDI and plSQL and then program 33 EDI transaction sets02:55
tjagodaWell02:55
tjagoda33 trading partners02:55
tjagodaeach with multiple sets02:55
snap-ltjagoda: You can pick up PL/SQL in less than a week02:56
snap-lIt's just not fun to code in.02:56
tjagodaFrom what I saw on the wiki when I reviewed it the other day it looks human readable just like vanilla SQL02:56
snap-lIt's essentially Pascal02:56
tjagodaLet me just climb into my time capsual02:56
tjagodaAnd visit the days of pascalian glory02:57
rick_h__morning party people11:50
Wolfgermorning. Holy crap, tjagoda came back last night?12:01
rick_h__I really do need to leave myself some better notes when I leave a project for a week12:26
rick_h__Wolfger: yea, I was floored. I hadn't seen him in a while12:26
WolfgerHadn't heard from him here or on the Penguicon list save for a recent announcement that he was withdrawing as con chair due to lack of time for it.12:28
rick_h__ouch12:28
WolfgerNeed to fire up Kubuntu from the hotel tonight, but it looks like my fresh install over the weekend may have cured my wifi issues. Connection from home seemed to be rock solid.12:30
rick_h__nice12:30
snap-lg'morning12:35
rick_h__morning, you hitting orientation fun? :)12:36
rick_h__get your buddy and all that business :P12:36
snap-lNot until after 9:30, but thanks for the anxiety. ;)12:37
rick_h__hah12:37
WolfgerJust shave your head and rant a lot. You'll be a perfect replacement for rick_h__  :-)12:38
rick_h__definitely helps with a shaven head...you seem a bit scarier in that corp building12:39
snap-lI'll need all the scary I can muster up. ;)12:45
brouschgonna kick ass and takes names?12:50
Wolfgerchew bubblegum12:53
snap-lbrousch: We shall see12:53
tjagodaSomebody remind me what I was working on before the holidays?12:54
WolfgerPenguicon12:55
Wolfger:-)12:55
Wolfgerand "avoiding IRC"12:55
tjagodaI actually resigned from Penguicon12:56
Wolfgerwelcome back, by the way12:56
tjagodaas I was both doing a poor job at PR and too busy at work12:56
tjagodaavoiding IRC is totes legit though12:56
WolfgerYeah, I saw the notice about you resigning con chair. That's why I said you were working on it before the holidays.12:56
brouschtjagoda: you have not been on much lately so i'm afraid we can't help you there12:57
tjagodaNot enough coffee in these veins to interpret the lulz12:57
* tjagoda fixes this12:57
tjagodaI upgraded to alpha 1 on my laptop Saturday12:58
tjagodaHad to check the sources file to see if it actually upgraded because everything looks the same.12:58
Wolfgerwoot!12:58
tjagodaI didn't even get a new splash screen!12:58
tjagoda /heartbroken12:58
WolfgerYeah, I think the very first alpha version is like "the current stable with a few files updated"12:59
tjagodaIronically12:59
tjagodamore stable than my stable12:59
Wolfgergive it 30 days. It'll change a lot12:59
tjagoda11.10 does random hard locks on me for reasons I have not been able to deduce13:00
tjagoda12.04 alpha 1 has so far not done so13:00
Wolfgermore stable than stable? Great. Now I have Rob Zombie in my head...13:00
tjagodaMy aversion to musics cures me from this problem13:01
tjagodaafk phone repair13:03
=== tjagoda is now known as tjagoda_
WolfgerGerman grammar just blows my mind sometimes, as I do word for word translations: "Can you me please another napkin bring?"13:03
Wolfgerp.se is starting to look respectable... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-every-programmer-know-about-web-development13:17
=== tjagoda_ is now known as tjagoda
tjagodaSo when they painted the walls of the shop, they painted over an RJ11 junction box13:43
tjagodaTurns out paint slowly destroys the ability of those little RJ tabs to keep the plug secured13:43
brouschduck tape13:43
tjagodaAlso turns out that white paint camouflages plugs from my eyes13:43
tjagodaI just eliminated the junction with those little button splicing connectors13:44
tjagodaPAINT THIS MOTHEREFFERS13:44
brouschtjagoda: I am disappointed with my new local Tim Hortons. Their breakfast sandwiches are very bland. Who in Canada can I contact about this?13:59
ColonelPanic001anyone14:01
ColonelPanic001All Canadians are valid recipients of complaints14:02
ColonelPanic001Partial ownership of the company comes with citizenship14:02
tjagodabland?14:06
tjagodaYou must be too far away from the mothership.14:06
tjagodaSee snap-l and his theory about Tim Hortons quality being directly proportional to the Canadian Border's proximity14:06
brouschhe may be right14:09
tjagodaJust spent an egregious amount of money at O'Reilly as I noticed they had a buy 2 get one free sales.14:29
tjagodasale*14:29
Wolfgerheh14:29
Wolfger"honey, look how much money I saved!"14:29
Wolfger"If your paycheck was bigger, I could have saved even more!"14:30
tjagodaI wanted to just buy a PLsql book14:30
tjagodathen I ended up buying a PLsql book and some Junos security books14:30
tjagodaDamn you, marketers. =(14:30
rick_h__LOTD https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/18359514:54
brouschw15:00
brouscht15:00
brouschf15:00
tjagodatl;dr15:01
tjagodaI read the part in the middle where he called microsoft for help with is linux15:02
tjagodatrololololol15:02
_stink_...15:06
_stink_wow15:06
rick_h__yea, so part of my job is to spend time going through LP support stuff, questions/etc. That's my intro one today15:06
rick_h__I'm not even sure what to say...15:06
brouschA: Please impale yourself on a rusty fencepost.15:07
brouschi'm not even sure if he's running debian, windows, ubuntu, or kubuntu15:08
Wolfgerrick_h__: that's the biggest wtf I've seen in a while15:10
rick_h__Wolfger: ok, glad it wasn't just me15:10
WolfgerI'm inclined to copy and paste it to p.se15:10
Wolfgerjust for the lulz15:10
rick_h__I wasn't sure if I should post it...but it's really some quality work15:10
rick_h__no, don't mean to spread things like that15:10
rick_h__more for the private logged audience here :)15:11
Wolfger:)15:11
WolfgerI love that it's a question for "Launchpad"15:11
WolfgerNo asignee yet... Who do you not like that you can assign it to? ;-)15:15
brouschjcastro can clean it up15:15
brouschi think they're testing you15:15
brouschto see how you handle a meth-addled troll15:16
jcastroheh15:17
Wolfgerbrousch: +1 on the jcastro idea15:18
tjagodawhere does rick_h work now?15:31
tjagodaubuntu?15:31
brouschwell, canonical15:32
rick_h__tjagoda: launchpad team at canonical15:32
brouschhe's our newest whipping boy15:32
rick_h__wheeee15:32
tjagodalulz15:33
tjagodaHows the experience?15:33
tjagodaDoes Mark Shuttleworth personally demand you be business casual even in the confines of your own home?15:33
rick_h__it's a bit crazy. LP is BIIIIIIIG15:34
brouschi imagine him wearing a nicely pressed shirt and tie with boxer-briefs and crocks15:34
rick_h__heh, no idea15:34
_stink_brousch: stop stealing my fantasies15:39
brousch_stink_: stop sharing them as anonymous coward on slashdot15:39
_stink_:O15:39
rick_h__heh http://sourceforge.net/blog/mirror/16:32
brouschfascinating16:49
rick_h__jcastro: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/abmgjcmmphkhndoahbfanhbgeekconmm16:52
rick_h__are you using something else for your gmail templates and such?16:52
jcastroI only use the sig templates16:52
jcastrowhich are built in16:52
rick_h__ah, ok16:53
rick_h__I'm getting sick of re typing LP templates and such. Might be cool for AskUbuntu stuff16:53
jcastroyeah16:53
jcastrothere's a labs one that does this16:54
jcastrohttp://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se16:56
jcastrois what I use for AU16:56
jcastrohttp://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1323/what-prewritten-comments-can-we-use-and-share16:56
jcastrowith those16:56
rick_h__ah nice16:59
greg-gg'morn17:02
rick_h__howdy greg-g17:02
rick_h__Blazeix: this seems pretty sweet http://coreygoldberg.blogspot.com/2012/01/officially-introducing-sst-python-web.html17:21
nullspaceyawn18:38
rick_h__pretty much18:41
nullspacehuh, so rick_h__ your in bham?18:42
rick_h__bham?18:43
nullspacerick_h__62 was coming from brhmmi.sbcglobal.net18:44
rick_h__ah, on the cell18:44
nullspaceinteresting18:44
rick_h__well, the 4g mifi18:44
Wolfgernullspace == stalker?19:11
greg-gWolfger: just another name for a lurker19:16
jcastrogreg-g: 2 new questions in one day!19:33
greg-gjcastro: I know!19:34
greg-gjcastro: Shotwell is frustrating to me :/19:34
jcastrothe devs monitor their tag19:35
jcastroso you should get answers soon19:35
greg-gawesome19:36
jcastrokeep em coming!19:36
greg-gI'm also like 1 mile away from their office, so if they don't answer, I can go have a talking to with them :)19:36
jcastrothey're awesome guys19:40
jcastroI wonder how they are doing19:40
jcastroit's really just google millionaire gets bored, starts company, heh19:40
jcastroI am glad he's investing in free software though, unf.19:40
greg-gyeah, definitely awesome exit strategy19:43
* greg-g dreams19:43
greg-goh non-profit work, how I love/hate you19:43
greg-gjcastro: man, they are quick, eric answered both questions already :)19:50
jcastrowhen your question is written well it's faster than IRC19:51
greg-gI'll take that as a compliment :)19:51
jcastroI am starting to be convinced that the internet actually hinders people from communicating19:52
jcastrolike, read any youtube comment19:52
Wolfgeriz can haz problems wif my wifi. HALP PLZ!!!!19:53
jcastroindeed19:53
nullspacegreg-g: I'd hardly call myself a lurker, but hey I barely talk in IRC, work needs to get done19:53
jcastrogreg-g: EDIT is my latest target19:55
jcastrohttps://plus.google.com/b/107921963368679288414/107921963368679288414/posts/dXvjwXRnvSC19:55
nullspaceI recall an onion report saying that the internet went down for a day and in related news work productivty went up 30%19:55
Wolfgerlulz19:55
WolfgerI think it's funny how people don't believe employees wasted time pre-internet19:56
nullspacethere are plenty of people that waste time and barely understand how to use their computer19:57
WolfgerSome people waste their time and mine just by trying to do their job and failing :-p19:57
WolfgerOops, sorry. Too curmudgeonly?19:58
WolfgerI'm alternately embracing and avoiding becoming a grumpy old man.19:59
snap-1Hello, world.20:25
snap-1I have confirmed once again that I am not that bright20:25
snap-1Generated a private key on another machine, so it can't be decoded properly.20:26
snap-1so I can't get into the home machine.20:26
snap-1<- Stupid.20:26
rick_h__doh20:27
rick_h__well welcome online20:27
rick_h__get your machine up and running then?20:27
snap-1Thanks. Good to be back20:27
snap-1no, that's the other dim-bulb move20:27
snap-1created a 386 stick, not a 64 bit stick20:27
rick_h__oops20:27
snap-1so I'm waiting for the download.20:28
snap-1At least I brought two sticks.20:28
brouschsee why keys drive me nuts?20:28
rick_h__there you go, what are you downloading/running on?20:28
brouschgive me passwords20:28
rick_h__brousch: SHUSH20:28
snap-1brousch: Folks can guess passwords20:28
snap-1they have a harder time guessing 2048 bit keys.20:28
brouschthat is true20:29
snap-1I'm running on the 386 stick20:29
rick_h__keys > *20:29
rick_h__It took me forever to talk people at morpace to use them more20:29
snap-1Gave myself 3GB to run on20:29
snap-1Seriously, keys are a godsend20:29
brouschkeys are so big you can't even remember them when you need them20:29
rick_h__? 3gb to run on?20:29
snap-1except when you do stupid things with them20:29
snap-13GB od free disk space on a 4GB key.20:29
rick_h__ah, gotcha. So you're running on a live usb setup20:35
snap-1Yeah, don't leave home without it.20:36
brouschKubuntu 11.10 runs very well on my MBP. It even picked up the sound , video, and wifi drivers automagically. I had to manually cram them in last time I tried this.21:34
brouschbravo ubuntu!21:34
brouschnow i just need my pretty blue kubuntu stickers to show up so i can cover over than glowing apple21:36
devinheitmuellerA user's Ubuntu install worked with his/her hardware out of the box!?!?!?  It's a Christmas miracle!21:36
devinheitmueller:-)21:36
brouschthe miracle is that it worked with apple hardware oob21:36
devinheitmuellerOh, check the ubuntu macbook page though.  On some of the Macbook pros, it appears to work but the fans are properly enabled (so you'll burn out the hardware)21:37
devinheitmuellers/are/aren't/21:37
brouschyikes21:48
devinheitmuellerbrousch: you might be ok, but I would definitely check that page before concluding success.21:50
devinheitmuellerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages21:51
brouschhm, lucid seems to be the last release https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid21:51
brouschthanks for the tip21:52
devinheitmuellernp21:52
devinheitmuellerIf you figure out your status, you should feel free to update the wiki with the latest findings.21:52
brouschhow would i know if the fans are working? fire up eclipse and see if it melts?21:53
devinheitmuellerpretty much.21:54
devinheitmuellerCompile the kernel and see if you hear/feel the fans kick in.21:54

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