[00:06] <rick_h__> phew, bed time == hack time
[01:02] <rick_h__> Blazeix: you going to be at CHC wed?
[01:03] <rick_h__> Blazeix: if so, care to block out time for code review/css help in getting the control pretty?
[01:23] <Blazeix> rick_h__: yeah, I should be there. sounds fun :)
[02:02] <jjesse> evening
[02:02] <jjesse> everyone having fun?
[02:23] <snap-l> jjesse: totally.
[02:24] <jjesse> yay
[02:26] <snap-l> Yourself?
[02:27] <jjesse> i think so, trying to get the new year started after being off for a week and then spending all day driving
[02:40] <snap-l> Ugh, that's no fun.
[02:43] <tjagoda> Ohi
[02:46] <snap-l> Hey tjagoda
[02:47] <tjagoda> tjagoda is not prepared to return to work from vacation tomorrow
[02:47] <snap-l> I can imagine
[02:47] <snap-l> I'm not ready to return to an office.
[02:47] <tjagoda> Trainin on EDI for the new ERP the next three days
[02:48] <tjagoda> Training*
[02:48] <tjagoda> Need to learn Oracle plSQL
[02:48] <snap-l> Lucky you
[02:48] <snap-l> Hope you remember your basntardized Pascal
[02:48] <tjagoda> Combining Procedural language with SQL just sounds painful
[02:49] <snap-l> From what I remembered of PLSQL, I didn't quite see the point of not using Perl externally from the database.
[02:50] <tjagoda> I am forced to use plSQL from inside the ERP application
[02:50] <tjagoda> ='(
[02:51] <snap-l> WEll, it could be worse.
[02:51] <snap-l> (Actually, who am I kidding? It's pretty bad. ;) )
[02:51] <snap-l> (kidding)
[02:51] <snap-l> (mostly)
[02:51] <tjagoda> Hopefully I will not have to bombard you with PLSQL inquiries =P
[02:51] <snap-l> I've forgotten more PL/SQL than I ever learned.
[02:52] <tjagoda> "Remember years ago when you used this under duress?"
[02:52] <snap-l> then spending all day     │ lotia_
[02:52] <snap-l> Well, that was entertaining
[02:52] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/SQL
[02:52] <snap-l> Let's try that again.
[02:53] <tjagoda> lolz
[02:54] <snap-l> Frankly, it was a godsend when they embedded Java in Oracle
[02:54] <snap-l> and I don't say that lightly.
[02:55] <tjagoda> I have roughly 30ish days to learn EDI and plSQL and then program 33 EDI transaction sets
[02:55] <tjagoda> Well
[02:55] <tjagoda> 33 trading partners
[02:55] <tjagoda> each with multiple sets
[02:56] <snap-l> tjagoda: You can pick up PL/SQL in less than a week
[02:56] <snap-l> It's just not fun to code in.
[02:56] <tjagoda> From what I saw on the wiki when I reviewed it the other day it looks human readable just like vanilla SQL
[02:56] <snap-l> It's essentially Pascal
[02:56] <tjagoda> Let me just climb into my time capsual
[02:57] <tjagoda> And visit the days of pascalian glory
[11:50] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:01] <Wolfger> morning. Holy crap, tjagoda came back last night?
[12:26] <rick_h__> I really do need to leave myself some better notes when I leave a project for a week
[12:26] <rick_h__> Wolfger: yea, I was floored. I hadn't seen him in a while
[12:28] <Wolfger> Hadn't heard from him here or on the Penguicon list save for a recent announcement that he was withdrawing as con chair due to lack of time for it.
[12:28] <rick_h__> ouch
[12:30] <Wolfger> Need to fire up Kubuntu from the hotel tonight, but it looks like my fresh install over the weekend may have cured my wifi issues. Connection from home seemed to be rock solid.
[12:30] <rick_h__> nice
[12:35] <snap-l> g'morning
[12:36] <rick_h__> morning, you hitting orientation fun? :)
[12:36] <rick_h__> get your buddy and all that business :P
[12:37] <snap-l> Not until after 9:30, but thanks for the anxiety. ;)
[12:37] <rick_h__> hah
[12:38] <Wolfger> Just shave your head and rant a lot. You'll be a perfect replacement for rick_h__  :-)
[12:39] <rick_h__> definitely helps with a shaven head...you seem a bit scarier in that corp building
[12:45] <snap-l> I'll need all the scary I can muster up. ;)
[12:50] <brousch> gonna kick ass and takes names?
[12:53] <Wolfger> chew bubblegum
[12:53] <snap-l> brousch: We shall see
[12:54] <tjagoda> Somebody remind me what I was working on before the holidays?
[12:55] <Wolfger> Penguicon
[12:55] <Wolfger> :-)
[12:55] <Wolfger> and "avoiding IRC"
[12:56] <tjagoda> I actually resigned from Penguicon
[12:56] <Wolfger> welcome back, by the way
[12:56] <tjagoda> as I was both doing a poor job at PR and too busy at work
[12:56] <tjagoda> avoiding IRC is totes legit though
[12:56] <Wolfger> Yeah, I saw the notice about you resigning con chair. That's why I said you were working on it before the holidays.
[12:57] <brousch> tjagoda: you have not been on much lately so i'm afraid we can't help you there
[12:57] <tjagoda> Not enough coffee in these veins to interpret the lulz
[12:57]  * tjagoda fixes this
[12:58] <tjagoda> I upgraded to alpha 1 on my laptop Saturday
[12:58] <tjagoda> Had to check the sources file to see if it actually upgraded because everything looks the same.
[12:58] <Wolfger> woot!
[12:58] <tjagoda> I didn't even get a new splash screen!
[12:58] <tjagoda>  /heartbroken
[12:59] <Wolfger> Yeah, I think the very first alpha version is like "the current stable with a few files updated"
[12:59] <tjagoda> Ironically
[12:59] <tjagoda> more stable than my stable
[12:59] <Wolfger> give it 30 days. It'll change a lot
[13:00] <tjagoda> 11.10 does random hard locks on me for reasons I have not been able to deduce
[13:00] <tjagoda> 12.04 alpha 1 has so far not done so
[13:00] <Wolfger> more stable than stable? Great. Now I have Rob Zombie in my head...
[13:01] <tjagoda> My aversion to musics cures me from this problem
[13:03] <tjagoda> afk phone repair
[13:03] <Wolfger> German grammar just blows my mind sometimes, as I do word for word translations: "Can you me please another napkin bring?"
[13:17] <Wolfger> p.se is starting to look respectable... http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46716/what-should-every-programmer-know-about-web-development
[13:43] <tjagoda> So when they painted the walls of the shop, they painted over an RJ11 junction box
[13:43] <tjagoda> Turns out paint slowly destroys the ability of those little RJ tabs to keep the plug secured
[13:43] <brousch> duck tape
[13:43] <tjagoda> Also turns out that white paint camouflages plugs from my eyes
[13:44] <tjagoda> I just eliminated the junction with those little button splicing connectors
[13:44] <tjagoda> PAINT THIS MOTHEREFFERS
[13:59] <brousch> tjagoda: I am disappointed with my new local Tim Hortons. Their breakfast sandwiches are very bland. Who in Canada can I contact about this?
[14:01] <ColonelPanic001> anyone
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> All Canadians are valid recipients of complaints
[14:02] <ColonelPanic001> Partial ownership of the company comes with citizenship
[14:06] <tjagoda> bland?
[14:06] <tjagoda> You must be too far away from the mothership.
[14:06] <tjagoda> See snap-l and his theory about Tim Hortons quality being directly proportional to the Canadian Border's proximity
[14:09] <brousch> he may be right
[14:29] <tjagoda> Just spent an egregious amount of money at O'Reilly as I noticed they had a buy 2 get one free sales.
[14:29] <tjagoda> sale*
[14:29] <Wolfger> heh
[14:29] <Wolfger> "honey, look how much money I saved!"
[14:30] <Wolfger> "If your paycheck was bigger, I could have saved even more!"
[14:30] <tjagoda> I wanted to just buy a PLsql book
[14:30] <tjagoda> then I ended up buying a PLsql book and some Junos security books
[14:30] <tjagoda> Damn you, marketers. =(
[14:54] <rick_h__> LOTD https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/183595
[15:00] <brousch> w
[15:00] <brousch> t
[15:00] <brousch> f
[15:01] <tjagoda> tl;dr
[15:02] <tjagoda> I read the part in the middle where he called microsoft for help with is linux
[15:02] <tjagoda> trololololol
[15:06] <_stink_> ...
[15:06] <_stink_> wow
[15:06] <rick_h__> yea, so part of my job is to spend time going through LP support stuff, questions/etc. That's my intro one today
[15:06] <rick_h__> I'm not even sure what to say...
[15:07] <brousch> A: Please impale yourself on a rusty fencepost.
[15:08] <brousch> i'm not even sure if he's running debian, windows, ubuntu, or kubuntu
[15:10] <Wolfger> rick_h__: that's the biggest wtf I've seen in a while
[15:10] <rick_h__> Wolfger: ok, glad it wasn't just me
[15:10] <Wolfger> I'm inclined to copy and paste it to p.se
[15:10] <Wolfger> just for the lulz
[15:10] <rick_h__> I wasn't sure if I should post it...but it's really some quality work
[15:10] <rick_h__> no, don't mean to spread things like that
[15:11] <rick_h__> more for the private logged audience here :)
[15:11] <Wolfger> :)
[15:11] <Wolfger> I love that it's a question for "Launchpad"
[15:15] <Wolfger> No asignee yet... Who do you not like that you can assign it to? ;-)
[15:15] <brousch> jcastro can clean it up
[15:15] <brousch> i think they're testing you
[15:16] <brousch> to see how you handle a meth-addled troll
[15:17] <jcastro> heh
[15:18] <Wolfger> brousch: +1 on the jcastro idea
[15:31] <tjagoda> where does rick_h work now?
[15:31] <tjagoda> ubuntu?
[15:32] <brousch> well, canonical
[15:32] <rick_h__> tjagoda: launchpad team at canonical
[15:32] <brousch> he's our newest whipping boy
[15:32] <rick_h__> wheeee
[15:33] <tjagoda> lulz
[15:33] <tjagoda> Hows the experience?
[15:33] <tjagoda> Does Mark Shuttleworth personally demand you be business casual even in the confines of your own home?
[15:34] <rick_h__> it's a bit crazy. LP is BIIIIIIIG
[15:34] <brousch> i imagine him wearing a nicely pressed shirt and tie with boxer-briefs and crocks
[15:34] <rick_h__> heh, no idea
[15:39] <_stink_> brousch: stop stealing my fantasies
[15:39] <brousch> _stink_: stop sharing them as anonymous coward on slashdot
[15:39] <_stink_> :O
[16:32] <rick_h__> heh http://sourceforge.net/blog/mirror/
[16:49] <brousch> fascinating
[16:52] <rick_h__> jcastro: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/abmgjcmmphkhndoahbfanhbgeekconmm
[16:52] <rick_h__> are you using something else for your gmail templates and such?
[16:52] <jcastro> I only use the sig templates
[16:52] <jcastro> which are built in
[16:53] <rick_h__> ah, ok
[16:53] <rick_h__> I'm getting sick of re typing LP templates and such. Might be cool for AskUbuntu stuff
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah
[16:54] <jcastro> there's a labs one that does this
[16:56] <jcastro> http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se
[16:56] <jcastro> is what I use for AU
[16:56] <jcastro> http://meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1323/what-prewritten-comments-can-we-use-and-share
[16:56] <jcastro> with those
[16:59] <rick_h__> ah nice
[17:02] <greg-g> g'morn
[17:02] <rick_h__> howdy greg-g
[17:21] <rick_h__> Blazeix: this seems pretty sweet http://coreygoldberg.blogspot.com/2012/01/officially-introducing-sst-python-web.html
[18:38] <nullspace> yawn
[18:41] <rick_h__> pretty much
[18:42] <nullspace> huh, so rick_h__ your in bham?
[18:43] <rick_h__> bham?
[18:44] <nullspace> rick_h__62 was coming from brhmmi.sbcglobal.net
[18:44] <rick_h__> ah, on the cell
[18:44] <nullspace> interesting
[18:44] <rick_h__> well, the 4g mifi
[19:11] <Wolfger> nullspace == stalker?
[19:16] <greg-g> Wolfger: just another name for a lurker
[19:33] <jcastro> greg-g: 2 new questions in one day!
[19:34] <greg-g> jcastro: I know!
[19:34] <greg-g> jcastro: Shotwell is frustrating to me :/
[19:35] <jcastro> the devs monitor their tag
[19:35] <jcastro> so you should get answers soon
[19:36] <greg-g> awesome
[19:36] <jcastro> keep em coming!
[19:36] <greg-g> I'm also like 1 mile away from their office, so if they don't answer, I can go have a talking to with them :)
[19:40] <jcastro> they're awesome guys
[19:40] <jcastro> I wonder how they are doing
[19:40] <jcastro> it's really just google millionaire gets bored, starts company, heh
[19:40] <jcastro> I am glad he's investing in free software though, unf.
[19:43] <greg-g> yeah, definitely awesome exit strategy
[19:43]  * greg-g dreams
[19:43] <greg-g> oh non-profit work, how I love/hate you
[19:50] <greg-g> jcastro: man, they are quick, eric answered both questions already :)
[19:51] <jcastro> when your question is written well it's faster than IRC
[19:51] <greg-g> I'll take that as a compliment :)
[19:52] <jcastro> I am starting to be convinced that the internet actually hinders people from communicating
[19:52] <jcastro> like, read any youtube comment
[19:53] <Wolfger> iz can haz problems wif my wifi. HALP PLZ!!!!
[19:53] <jcastro> indeed
[19:53] <nullspace> greg-g: I'd hardly call myself a lurker, but hey I barely talk in IRC, work needs to get done
[19:55] <jcastro> greg-g: EDIT is my latest target
[19:55] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/b/107921963368679288414/107921963368679288414/posts/dXvjwXRnvSC
[19:55] <nullspace> I recall an onion report saying that the internet went down for a day and in related news work productivty went up 30%
[19:55] <Wolfger> lulz
[19:56] <Wolfger> I think it's funny how people don't believe employees wasted time pre-internet
[19:57] <nullspace> there are plenty of people that waste time and barely understand how to use their computer
[19:57] <Wolfger> Some people waste their time and mine just by trying to do their job and failing :-p
[19:58] <Wolfger> Oops, sorry. Too curmudgeonly?
[19:59] <Wolfger> I'm alternately embracing and avoiding becoming a grumpy old man.
[20:25] <snap-1> Hello, world.
[20:25] <snap-1> I have confirmed once again that I am not that bright
[20:26] <snap-1> Generated a private key on another machine, so it can't be decoded properly.
[20:26] <snap-1> so I can't get into the home machine.
[20:26] <snap-1> <- Stupid.
[20:27] <rick_h__> doh
[20:27] <rick_h__> well welcome online
[20:27] <rick_h__> get your machine up and running then?
[20:27] <snap-1> Thanks. Good to be back
[20:27] <snap-1> no, that's the other dim-bulb move
[20:27] <snap-1> created a 386 stick, not a 64 bit stick
[20:27] <rick_h__> oops
[20:28] <snap-1> so I'm waiting for the download.
[20:28] <snap-1> At least I brought two sticks.
[20:28] <brousch> see why keys drive me nuts?
[20:28] <rick_h__> there you go, what are you downloading/running on?
[20:28] <brousch> give me passwords
[20:28] <rick_h__> brousch: SHUSH
[20:28] <snap-1> brousch: Folks can guess passwords
[20:28] <snap-1> they have a harder time guessing 2048 bit keys.
[20:29] <brousch> that is true
[20:29] <snap-1> I'm running on the 386 stick
[20:29] <rick_h__> keys > *
[20:29] <rick_h__> It took me forever to talk people at morpace to use them more
[20:29] <snap-1> Gave myself 3GB to run on
[20:29] <snap-1> Seriously, keys are a godsend
[20:29] <brousch> keys are so big you can't even remember them when you need them
[20:29] <rick_h__> ? 3gb to run on?
[20:29] <snap-1> except when you do stupid things with them
[20:29] <snap-1> 3GB od free disk space on a 4GB key.
[20:35] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha. So you're running on a live usb setup
[20:36] <snap-1> Yeah, don't leave home without it.
[21:34] <brousch> Kubuntu 11.10 runs very well on my MBP. It even picked up the sound , video, and wifi drivers automagically. I had to manually cram them in last time I tried this.
[21:34] <brousch> bravo ubuntu!
[21:36] <brousch> now i just need my pretty blue kubuntu stickers to show up so i can cover over than glowing apple
[21:36] <devinheitmueller> A user's Ubuntu install worked with his/her hardware out of the box!?!?!?  It's a Christmas miracle!
[21:36] <devinheitmueller> :-)
[21:36] <brousch> the miracle is that it worked with apple hardware oob
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> Oh, check the ubuntu macbook page though.  On some of the Macbook pros, it appears to work but the fans are properly enabled (so you'll burn out the hardware)
[21:37] <devinheitmueller> s/are/aren't/
[21:48] <brousch> yikes
[21:50] <devinheitmueller> brousch: you might be ok, but I would definitely check that page before concluding success.
[21:51] <devinheitmueller> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MactelSupportTeam/CommunityHelpPages
[21:51] <brousch> hm, lucid seems to be the last release https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro5-5/Lucid
[21:52] <brousch> thanks for the tip
[21:52] <devinheitmueller> np
[21:52] <devinheitmueller> If you figure out your status, you should feel free to update the wiki with the latest findings.
[21:53] <brousch> how would i know if the fans are working? fire up eclipse and see if it melts?
[21:54] <devinheitmueller> pretty much.
[21:54] <devinheitmueller> Compile the kernel and see if you hear/feel the fans kick in.