[00:05] <Daniel0108> well, I got my sound to work now, but I'd like something like notifyosd
[00:05] <Daniel0108> *some sound indicator like notifyosd does it
[00:05] <Daniel0108> but I don't want to use notifyOSD itself :P
[00:05] <Daniel0108> for example
[00:05] <Daniel0108> I adjust the sound and it displays a notification
[00:08] <mysteriousdarren> my computer is running at 100% cpu usage, but when I go and look at task manager or system manager there is nothing about 1 to 2%
[00:09] <mysteriousdarren> *system monitor
[00:12] <Daniel0108> mysteriousdarren, install htop and see if it shows 100% too
[00:13] <MrChrisDruif> What says your computer is running at 100% cpu usage?
[00:14] <mysteriousdarren> random is all, I am only running irc and thats about it
[00:15] <mysteriousdarren> htop says 4.5 to 9%
[00:16] <mysteriousdarren> it stopped now, but every once in a while it will go 100% as seen by my little system monitor in my panel
[01:12] <phillw> mysteriousdarren: it is possibly your system grabbing in updates for your system. You can easily sort if that is the issue by running the updater as 'front of house' instead of it hiding behind the scenes.
[01:13] <phillw> Daniel0108: I have very quickly grown to hate notifier.... with a passion.
[01:19] <mysteriousdarren> nope, I do it myself. It stopped doing that now so no clue. notifier is a minor annoyance as well.
[01:24] <grape_> i want to install lubuntu, ubuntu, and windows 7 on the same hardrive. Is there anything i should be awhere of before i start?
[01:24] <Unit193> Well.... Best to install windows first
[01:24] <grape_> i was told windows is best left to furthest to the left on the hardrive and that i should leave some empty space between windows and the next linux distro for some reason
[01:24] <grape_> why is that?
[01:25] <Unit193> Because windows doesn't play nice
[01:27] <Daniel0108> phillw, no, I don't want a notifier, I just want that indicator for sound changes :P
[01:27] <grape_> now everything was so simple when i first installed ubuntu, when i install windows, must i search toshiba website for my necessary drivers or will they come automatically (i dont no if this makes a difference but i believe certain updates will be turned off on the windows copy, it isnt exactly legit)
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> I think you'll have to go to their website indeed grape_
[01:28] <Unit193> !dualboot
[01:28] <phillw> grape_: for windows support, please use windows forums, most of us have very old experience of it.
[03:19] <grape_> will doing dual boot with windows slow down my linux partition at all? i wouldnt have thought it would have any effect, until i found out windows needs to be to the left
[03:25] <Folklore> it shouldn't depending on how you do it
[03:26] <Folklore> windows tends not to recognize linux partitions
[03:26] <Folklore> so maybe better if you install the boot loader after you get windows install
[03:27] <Folklore> or rather just install linux after windows
[03:27] <Folklore> so it takes prescedent over boot control as linux recognizes windows fine
[03:27] <Folklore> grub or whatever you wanna use for bootloader
[03:34] <Folklore> so actually its possible windows may override your boot settings
[03:34] <Folklore> and not show your linux partition anymore
[03:35] <Folklore> if you install windows second
[03:35] <Folklore> anyway google should be of assistance am gonna get some sleep, have a good one and good luck!
[03:41] <mysteriousdarren> !dualboot
[03:42] <mysteriousdarren> grape_: this should explain alot
[03:42] <epictetus> grape_: It will not be any slower just because there is a windows partition on the disk too
[03:42] <epictetus> grape_: other than minor things (like an extra half second at boot to mount/check the extra partition)
[03:44] <epictetus> most hard drives physical/sector location on the drive generally doesn't affect speed.. i.e. if the drive can read at 50 megs/second from the first 100 megs of the disk, it can usually also read at 50 megs/second from the last 100 megs or the middle
[03:45] <epictetus> unlike, say, CDs, which often slow down when reading/writing towards the middle of the disc
[03:46] <grape_> thank you
[03:46] <epictetus> windows wanting (in some cases*) to be the first partition on the disk is just due to the way its drive lettering algorithm and boot loader etc work, nothing to do with that part of the disk being faster
[03:46] <epictetus> my caveat would be:
[03:47] <epictetus> if you really are good, you can get windows to be in a partition on the end of the disk, or the middle, or wherever, but it's a lot easier to keep things simple
[03:47] <grape_> you guys gave very thorough responses, just what i wanted.
[03:48] <epictetus> and one common side effect of putting it other places (with some versions of windows) is that your system drive ends up not being C:
[03:48] <epictetus> which actually works (windows being installed to e: or whatever) but causes bugs in thousands and thousands of programs that default things to c:
[03:50] <epictetus> also, if you think this is tricky, try setting up boot camp dual boot on a mac -- it makes the linux way of doing things seem easy by comparison!
[03:53] <grape_> i will!
[03:55] <grape_> that actually touches on a question in my mind, so all lniux distros run on macs as well, you just have to deal with the boot camp thing
[04:03] <epictetus>  yes you can triple-boot a mac, however it is insanely complicated to get working correctly
[04:04] <mali_> does lubuntu play ok with compiz still?
[04:08] <Unit193> xcompmgr is the recommended one I know of, but you could try compiz (Just remember that isn't lightweight!)
[04:27] <mali_> no, fair enough.. but I on arch often layer lxde on tip of compiz/ob :)
[04:28] <mali_> and I like the simiolicity of lxde, asmuch as it being a resource criteria
[04:28] <mali_> :)
[04:28] <mali_> thanks
[04:28] <Unit193> Sure
[04:28] <mali_> I just didn't know if this ozeiric thing can "accept" compiz, since ubuntu now apparently doesn't offer/accept/do gnome? (uynity)
[04:29] <mali_> I don't know but when unity was released I left *buntu, (I used ubuntu studio)
[04:29] <epictetus> i just didn't like how they made the whole interface a crappy imitation of a mac
[04:29] <epictetus> if I wanted that I'd just buy a mac
[04:30] <Unit193> UbuntuStudio has switched to Xfce, and it doesn't exactly matter if Ubuntu can run Compiz or not (Most programs if it works on Ubuntu... Only matter a tiny bit here)
[04:37] <mali_> ye
[04:38] <mali_> but it made me deffo leave it and won't go back I guess. was distrohopping laods, which landed me on helping out developing some stuff on arch
[04:38] <mali_> but over-all I also want a side distro which is less "dev" and more "jump in",
[04:38] <mali_> what about this new version of peppermint, anyone like this? and erm ssb?
[04:41] <Unit193> I've never used it
[04:47] <mali_> ya i tested the ond ole ages ago in a vm, will try it out.. lubuntu I know, as it's the back up live iso I use on thewindows recovery partition which I keep all my dual os stuff on (10.10)
[05:17] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, does LXPanel support minimizing in place, like Compiz does?
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> sorry, keep in panel
[05:24] <ActionParsnip> like unity
[05:25] <ActionParsnip> so the icons stay on the panel, even when not running
[06:14] <iceroot> the latest dist-upgrade is tryiing to pull "citadel" complete and feature-rich groupware server
[06:15] <iceroot> i dont think that is something we want? (12.04)
[06:16] <iceroot> i will do some aptitude why to see what is pulling it
[06:46] <micahg> iceroot: quilt?
[06:47] <iceroot> micahg: ah, i was reading the aptitude line wrong
[06:47] <iceroot> micahg: then its my fault and not a lubuntu-fault because i am using quilt
[06:48] <iceroot> i will close the bug with that info, thanks for the hint
[06:48] <micahg> debian 652734
[06:48] <micahg> oops, debian 652912
[06:52] <iceroot> i guess a bug against quilt with a reference to the debian bug would be a better idea
[06:54] <micahg> it'll be fixed with an upload soon
[06:54] <micahg> I mean it's pending upload in Debian
[06:55] <iceroot> so there is still the sync to ubuntu if it is uploaded in debian
[06:55] <micahg> sure, we can sync for a while, only the auto imports stop Jan 9
[06:58] <iceroot> micahg: i just created https://bugs.launchpad.net/quilt/+bug/911631 just to have it on the line
[06:59] <wxl> ack!
[07:01] <micahg> iceroot: FYI, you wanted Also affects distribution -> Debian
[07:03] <micahg> iceroot: and now I get to file an LP bug since I couldn't easily fix that :)
[07:04] <iceroot> as i see "my testing" is resulting in a lot of work for others and also a lot of mails :)
[07:04] <micahg> heh, that's good, better to catch things now
[07:04] <iceroot> i just wanted to do an dist-upgrade and was filling 7 bugs
[07:07] <micahg> Bug #911633 if you're interested
[07:07] <iceroot> micahg: yes i am, thank you and sorry for the extra affort :)
[08:56] <asa>  Привет всем. С Новым Годом! Тут есть русскоговорящие?
[08:56] <Unit193> !ru | asa
[08:57] <asa> Спасибо))
[13:21] <pmatulis> does anyone use kupfer here?  how do i get it to summon simple shell scripts?
[13:26] <ubu> I've strange problem, my lubutu crashing after reboot, link to problem:http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/
[13:28] <ubu> Nobody helped me on forums
[13:31] <MrChrisDruif> ubu; what happens when you press Ctrl+Alt+F7?
[13:34] <ubu> iwork but after ctrl+alt+1
[13:35]  * MrChrisDruif if gone
[13:35] <MrChrisDruif> is*
[13:36] <ubu> hmmh?
[13:37] <ubu> what;s going with a"Quit"?
[13:38] <ubu> try ctr+Alt+f7?
[13:38] <pmatulis> ubu: what are you saying?
[13:42] <ubu> have a try with  Ctrl+Alt+F7?
[14:09] <smile|eet> brb :)
[14:14] <ubu> so nobody help me with lxsession, I wrote before that i fixed it but problem returened after reboot, http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/?
[14:15] <holstein> ubu: ??
[14:16] <smile4ever> ubu: please put your video on youtube
[14:16] <holstein> "nobody help me with lxsession" does that mean you want someone to help? or that no one should help?
[14:17] <ubu> yes wanna to help
[14:17] <ubu> my fuc** english :(
[14:18] <ubu> well why youtube... mobile.....?
[14:18] <smile4ever> hmm
[14:18] <smile4ever> i'll try to help you ubu
[14:19] <holstein> yeah, i cant do anything with that link ubu ... i think thats why
[14:19] <holstein> im getting prompted to download an .ese
[14:19] <holstein> exe*
[14:20] <smile4ever> holstein: i can watch it
[14:20] <ubu> i can give u link to download if u wann on youtube i must record new video :(
[14:20] <smile4ever> ubu: no, i'll try to help you.
[14:20] <smile4ever> you can login at the prompt?
[14:21] <smile4ever> (the black screen)
[14:21] <ubu> http://imageshack.us/clip/my-videos/24/gnm.mp4/
[14:21]  * holstein watching
[14:22] <ubu> i wanna login to graphical environment
[14:22] <holstein> ubu: while smile4ever is looking, you can try upgrading
[14:23] <smile4ever> ubu: if you are logged in to the black window, you can type: lxdm
[14:23] <ubu> lubuntu random lxde
[14:23] <ubu> defualt
[14:23] <ubu> default
[14:24] <smile4ever> huh?
[14:24] <smile4ever> what's your main language?
[14:25] <smile4ever> @ ubu
[14:25] <ubu> Polish  :(
[14:26] <smile4ever> :(
[14:27] <ubu> :-*(
[14:27] <smile4ever> I posted your video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrPkuN-cack
[14:28] <smile4ever> ubu: which lubuntu do you have?
[14:28] <smile4ever> your version of lubuntu?
[14:28] <ubu> 11.10
[14:29] <holstein> ubu: it wont hurt to upgrade... at that prompt (assuming you have networking) sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[14:29] <holstein> well... actually it could hurt, but its not a bad troubleshooting step to try upgrading the packages
[14:30] <ubu> under console(alt+ctr+1) or with cdlive?
[14:30] <smile4ever> that black prompt you get
[14:30] <smile4ever> after rebooting (i thought?)
[14:31] <ubu> ok i now reboot
[14:31] <ubu> w8 :)
[14:43] <smile4ever> ubu: did it work?
[14:43] <ubu> update only refresh repostore, rigt?
[14:43] <ubu> rifgt
[14:44] <ubu> right
[14:44] <holstein> sudo apt-get update updates the list of what is available to you (basically)
[14:44] <holstein> that doesnt install anything, or upgrade
[14:46] <smile4ever> ubu: did you also do a sudo apt-get upgrade?
[14:46] <smile4ever> that may help
[14:47] <ubu> i have same error
[14:47] <smile4ever> but you did sudo apt-get update
[14:47] <smile4ever> but also sudo apt-get upgrade?
[14:48] <smile4ever> @ubu
[14:49] <holstein> ubu: is that after installing? or from a live CD?... i remember on some hardware i tried lubuntu, i needed to manually startx live.. worked as expected after the install and im not sure why (nor was i motivated to sort it out)
[14:53] <Kurdistan> hi guys/girls. I have tips if lxmed is not install by default in lubuntu.
[14:53] <Kurdistan> http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxmed/
[14:53] <Kurdistan> install it
[14:53] <Kurdistan> unpack
[14:53] <Kurdistan> then sudo sh install.sh
[14:54] <Kurdistan> it is like alacarte
[14:55] <smile4ever> kurdistan: does it work? :p
[14:55] <Kurdistan> yes
[14:55] <ubu> :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))0
[14:55] <smile4ever> i'll try ;)
[14:56] <smile4ever> in my VM :)
[14:56] <Kurdistan> alacarte have to much dep.
[14:56] <smile4ever> Lubuntu 12.04 for the winning :)
[14:57] <smile4ever> Kurdistan: In order to run lxmed, you need to install JRE (Java Runtime Environment). You can use OpenJDK instead of Sun's java, altough I recommend using Sun's java.
[14:57] <smile4ever> :(
[14:57] <Folklore> thought openjdk license expired
[14:58] <Folklore> thats why no longer being shipped with linux
[14:58] <smile4ever> I removed it from my normal install. :p (not in my VM)
[14:58] <ubu> men  it need java?
[15:00] <smile4ever> Kurdistan: not working here
[15:01] <ubu> k
[15:01] <Kurdistan> smile4ever, working here.
[15:01] <Kurdistan> :) I have jre
[15:01] <smile4ever> I don't :)
[15:01] <smile4ever> i'll install it ;)
[15:01] <Kurdistan> :) your lost
[15:01] <smile4ever> :p
[15:01] <smile4ever> who uses java today ;)
[15:03] <smile4ever> still fails :p
[15:04] <smile4ever> rebooting :p
[15:14] <smile4ever> failt :p
[15:14] <smile4ever> * fails
[15:15] <pmatulis> do i need a special package for mounting samba share via pcmanfm?  a ubuntu station can get to it via nautilus without issue
[15:15] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i don't know :p
[15:16] <pmatulis> smile4ever: thank you for your answer
[15:16] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i'll search :)
[15:17] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i found it
[15:17] <smile4ever> i'll pastebin it
[15:18] <pmatulis> smile4ever: ty
[15:18] <smile4ever> pmatulis: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/792772/
[15:19] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i think you pasted the wrong stuff
[15:20] <smile4ever> ? :p
[15:20] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i found it here
[15:20] <smile4ever> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1623346
[15:21] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i think you need the package system-config-samba
[15:22] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i do not want to configure samba
[15:22] <smile4ever> you want to open the network?
[15:22] <smile4ever> @pmatulis
[15:24] <smile4ever> than type network:///
[15:24] <phillw> pmatulis: as of 11.04 samba is integrated into pcmanfm
[15:25] <pmatulis> smile4ever: i'm sorry, 'open the network' means nothing to me.  i want to connect to a samba share as i said in my opening statement
[15:26] <pmatulis> phillw: i assume you mean 'samba/cifs support' is integrated.  i wonder why it doesn't work
[15:26] <smile4ever> :(
[15:27] <phillw> pmatulis: yeah, it should 'see' your samba shares
[15:27] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i've done my best :(
[15:28] <pmatulis> smile4ever: it's ok, thank you
[15:28] <smile4ever> ok :)
[15:28] <smile4ever> if i can help you, you're welcome
[15:42] <pmatulis> phillw, smile4ever: if i remove the previously working bookmark and recreate it then i can get to the share
[15:43] <phillw> pmatulis: hmm, not heard of that  being required before :/
[15:44] <pmatulis> phillw: upgrade (to oneiric) problem
[15:45] <phillw> pmatulis: probably worth raising a bug for it
[15:48] <phillw> pmatulis: was it after an 11.04 --> 11.10 upgrade?
[15:49] <smile4ever> pmatulis: very strange :o
[15:49] <pmatulis> phillw: yes, that's what i said
[15:50] <phillw> pmatulis: okay, I'll add it onto the WorkArounds section until pcman can take a look at it.
[15:50] <pmatulis> phillw: there is actually someone named 'pcman'?
[15:51] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yes, pcman created the file manager :)
[15:52] <pmatulis> smile4ever: maybe he should change his name to egoman instead
[15:54] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yeah. ;)
[15:54] <smile4ever> xD
[15:54] <pmatulis> seriously, that piece of software requires a name change
[15:55] <smile4ever> pmatulis: i would like it wasn't consuming more than 5 MB memory
[15:55] <smile4ever> now it's using 40 MB :S
[15:56] <pmatulis> smile4ever: sounds like a memory leak
[15:57] <smile4ever> pmatulis: yeah :(
[15:57] <smile4ever> brb :)
[16:01] <smile4ever> back :)
[16:07] <Folklore> http://www.eatliver.com/img/2011/8049.jpg
[16:09] <smile4ever> a difference ;)
[18:07] <iceroot> gilir: hi, would it be an overkill to put "lubuntu 12.04 as LTS for min 2 years" on the topic?
[18:07] <MrChrisDruif> iceroot; can you make it to discuss it?
[18:08] <gilir> iceroot, it was already discuss in previous meeting, you can look at the logs
[18:10] <iceroot> gilir: i guess that means "no" :)
[18:11] <iceroot> no as in "dont put it on the topic"
[19:27] <AmberJ> I have a weird problem
[19:27] <AmberJ> Flash videos in chrome on lubuntu 11.10 will play fine ...except for 1 site
[19:27] <MrChrisDruif> !terminal
[19:27] <AmberJ> youtube, metacafe etc. all work very well
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> smile; /
[19:28] <MrChrisDruif> ^
[19:28] <wxl> flash is one of those things unfortunately. :( smile can attest to this, AmberJ
[19:29] <AmberJ> :(
[19:29] <AmberJ> http://tinyurl.com/8ydd3lt is the site (if anyone wants to check)
[19:29] <wxl> i would suggest trying gnash as well as the adobe flash, AmberJ
[19:29] <AmberJ> Ok, I must admit that the above linked site has made major changes to how videos are streamed in flash player
[19:30] <AmberJ> The site I linked above is from Stanford's ClassX platform..."ClassX offers high resolution video quality over bitrates typical of standard definition video using a technology called “interactive region-of-interest video streaming”. ClassX also offers numerous other forms of user interaction with content and with other users. "
[19:31] <smile> wxl: yes :(
[19:31] <smile> AmberJ: yes :(
[19:31] <smile> i now have to go
[19:31] <smile> bye
[19:31] <wxl> AmberJ: have you tried to contact the devs?
[19:33] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; it seems to be loading with me
[19:34] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; works for me
[19:34] <AmberJ> :(
[19:35] <AmberJ> It works in chromium for me....but won't work in Google Chrome :(
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> !flash
[19:35] <AmberJ> Thanks for confirming MrChrisDruif
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, it works in Chromium for*
[19:35] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, Isn't flash supposed to be shipped with chrome?
[19:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yup afaik
[19:36] <AmberJ> about:plugins in chrome show flash player "installed" and youtube, metacafe etc videos play fine
[19:39] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; it works in chromium you say, but not in chrome?
[19:40] <AmberJ> yes MrChrisDruif
[19:40] <AmberJ> Even youtube, metacafe etc. works in chrome...
[19:40] <AmberJ> "Only" CHROME+CLASSX combo won't work
[19:40] <wxl> AmberJ: is it necessary to use chrome?
[19:40] <AmberJ> heh
[19:41] <AmberJ> well, I was just trying :D
[19:41] <AmberJ> The site needs high specifications...So, I was trying chrome, chromium etc (though I prefer firefox otherwise)
[19:42] <wxl> ahhh
[19:42] <MrChrisDruif> Ugh! Firefox..
[19:42] <wxl> i prefer firefox overall personally
[19:42] <wxl> but i have yet to find a perfect browser
[19:42] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed
[19:43] <AmberJ> Without vertical, tree style tabs I won't move to chrome...
[19:43] <wxl> i find it hard to live without two plugins: https-eveywhere and vimperator
[19:43] <wxl> without them i haven't been able to convince myself to look much at chrome's other features
[19:44] <AmberJ> Otherwise, chrome is much nicer to my old P4 box :D
[19:44] <wxl> but let's not digress without moving this over to lubuntu-offtopic
[19:46] <AmberJ> Let's start a flame war ;)
[19:46] <wxl> oh we've been down that road right MrChrisDruif ? :D
[19:47] <AmberJ> AmberJ/wxl versus MrChrisDruif (anyone else wants to join?) :D
[19:47] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; not flaming and/or wars please
[19:47] <wxl> naw, i'm all for choice
[19:48] <wxl> sometimes i use w3m
[19:48] <wxl> ;)
[19:48] <AmberJ> You had the fun already, MrChrisDruif :( And, you now want to restrict me :P
[19:48] <AmberJ> How can we forget IE? Any IE advocates in here? ;)
[19:48] <AmberJ> I prefer elinks wxl :P
[19:49] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; Linux is about choice, I was only outing my dislike for one. It's my bad =)
[19:50] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; got the invite?
[19:50] <AmberJ> NO!
[19:50] <AmberJ> ;)
[19:52] <MrChrisDruif> ;-)
[20:44] <AmberJ> Well, Ktouch (a touch typing tutor for KDE) worked fine in Lubuntu 11.04...But some lines won't appear in Lubuntu 11.10...Any ideas why?
[20:45] <AmberJ> *some lines (displayed by program) that I need to type in program
[20:46] <AmberJ> MrChrisDruif, ping
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Hmm?
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Sorry, my topic was on...
[20:50] <MrChrisDruif> Got a few minutes AmberJ ? I'll return asap
[20:51] <AmberJ> sure
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> So...I'm back
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> What was the issue?
 Well, Ktouch (a touch typing tutor for KDE) worked fine in Lubuntu 11.04...But some lines won't appear in Lubuntu 11.10...Any ideas why? <AmberJ> *some lines (displayed by program) that I need to type in program
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Ow, it's not something I'm familiar with
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Seems to be an issue with Ktouch
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't understand why
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> gilir; ^
[21:10] <AmberJ> well yea...KDE apps shoot these kinda problems pretty much frequently
[21:11] <gilir> MrChrisDruif, no idea, I don't use KDE programs :)
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Me neither, but if anyone would know it would be you ^_^
[21:15] <wxl> back over here now
[21:17] <jmarsden|work> Maybe they should use tuxtype instead? :)
[21:18] <wxl> jmarsden|work: i think AmberJ is simply used to ktouch and asking for a change is not preferable
[21:18] <wxl> i think pinning the old version should do the trick
[21:18] <wxl> if it worked on natty, it's doubtful that it was for any other reason beyond the version of ktouch used
[21:18] <AmberJ> I'm going to try it wxl, Thanks.
[21:18] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; you could also try asking in #kubuntu as they are the experts in KDE/Qt/QML apps
[21:18] <wxl> (although possible it might not work)
[22:29] <AmberJ> wxl, I know you'll hate this (and, I hate this myself due to all autostart stuff that it added) but I installed "kubuntu-desktop" and rebooted. And, Ktouch works fine now ...
[22:30] <wxl> AmberJ: no help at #kubuntu?
[22:30] <AmberJ> Once I'm done with learning to touch type, I'll "sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-desktop" :)
[22:30] <wxl> at that point you should have just created a kubuntu vm :)
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; that won't remove all the cruff thou
[22:31] <AmberJ> wxl, Well, I already had kubuntu-desktop and your tip (related to using older version) in my queue to test...So, I thought of trying #kubuntu only after trying these two...
[22:32] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[22:32] <AmberJ> wxl, too difficult for a poor student to afford. My P4/1GB RAM config won't allow me to use any VM inside virtualbox without closing other apps :(
[22:33] <jmarsden|work> AmberJ: Sounds like the ktouch package is missing a KDE library dependency.  If you have the time, you can try removing KDE stuff one package at a time until it breaks, then file a bug against ktouch saying that it needs libwhatever but does not depend on it.
[22:33] <AmberJ> noted MrChrisDruif.
[22:34] <AmberJ> jmarsden|work, Isn't there a way to automate this? ;)
[22:34]  * AmberJ is (a bit) lazy
[22:34] <jmarsden|work> Automate debugging of someone elses packaging bug?  I'm not sure...
[22:35] <wxl> +1 jmarsden|work
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; does is suggest packages by any chance?
[22:35] <AmberJ> Ktouch?
[22:35] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah
[22:35] <AmberJ> I didn't checked...
[22:36] <AmberJ> But kubuntu-desktop package fixing it means that it misses a KDE library dependency...And, I'm sure it has many KDE dependencies.
[22:37] <AmberJ> Imho, jmarsden|work is right in saying so...
[22:37] <jmarsden|work> apt-cache show ktouch |grep Suggests:   # would show you what it suggests...
[22:37] <wxl> AmberJ: if you were lazy, you would have just used another typing tutor so bull crap. :D
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> AmberJ; and the rest; http://paste.ubuntu.com/793219/
[22:39] <MrChrisDruif> wxl; +1 but mind your language ^_^
[22:39] <AmberJ> wxl, I'm not using KDE web browser, KDE file manager or any other KDE application....It's just one program ;)
[22:39] <wxl> AmberJ: exactly. you're making more work for yourself than you need :D
[22:40] <AmberJ> Given ubiquity of typing tutors and most using different lessons, it was difficult to choose which one was reliable ('reliable' in context of lessons)
[22:40] <AmberJ> wxl, "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" was *not* a lot of work ;)
[22:40] <AmberJ> +for me.
[22:41] <AmberJ> For my broadband connections, my processor etc. it sure was loads of work :D
[22:41] <AmberJ> s/connections/connection
[22:45] <AmberJ> lol...when I try to checkout the svn repo mentioned on http://www.kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/development, it says svn repo URL doesnot exists ;)
[22:46] <wxl> yeah i don't know what's up with ktouch development
[22:46] <wxl> ti's moved somewhere
[22:46] <wxl> the ubuntu packages are getting updated but the last update to ktouch on sourceforge was like in 2008
[22:48] <AmberJ> The sourceforge page was for pre-KDE4 Ktouch...
[22:49] <AmberJ> They have moved  to http://www.kde.org/applications/education/ktouch/ , http://edu.kde.org/ktouch/
[22:49] <AmberJ> etc ;)
[22:49] <AmberJ> Multiple locations that can be linked for a single project...
[22:59] <AmberJ> wxl, they moved to https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdeedu/ktouch and only #kde-edu links it (afaik) :D I guess they forgot to update the site
[23:00] <AmberJ> Or maybe, didn't had enough contributors to update the site ;)
[23:17] <freeroute> Hi, when I connect to an 802.11g AP, does Ubuntu use iwlist and iwconfig utilities? Because I have trouble connecting using those through CLI
[23:18] <freeroute> *Lubuntu
[23:29] <freeroute> Ok, after some more reading it seems that iwconfig does not support WPA(2) authentication. So much for couple of hours of wasted time -_-
[23:33] <iceroot> freeroute: wpa_supplicant is doing that with wpa2
[23:34] <freeroute> yeah, reading the manpage as we speak :)