| carolyn | hi my wireless keeps disconnecting any troubleshooting ideas? | 00:15 |
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| carolyn | uses the ath9k_htc driver and is a tplink | 00:16 |
| cprofitt | carolyn: do you have any other computing devices? | 00:19 |
| carolyn | usb kb and mouse | 00:20 |
| carolyn | no other usb devices | 00:20 |
| cprofitt | I should have been more clear... I meant other computers, tablets or smart phones | 00:20 |
| carolyn | yes I have a couple of others | 00:21 |
| cprofitt | are those having any connectivity issues? | 00:21 |
| carolyn | no they're fine | 00:21 |
| cprofitt | ok... | 00:21 |
| cprofitt | to clarify the computer with an issue can connect for a period of time and then drops | 00:22 |
| carolyn | correct | 00:22 |
| cprofitt | what kind of security -- wpa / wep ? | 00:23 |
| carolyn | it's easy to fix by unplugging and replugging in the usb wireless card | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | oh, its USB.... | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | that might explain it... | 00:23 |
| carolyn | its wpa2 | 00:23 |
| carolyn | I think | 00:23 |
| cprofitt | laptop | 00:23 |
| carolyn | it's a PC with a wireless usb card | 00:24 |
| cprofitt | is it connected to a laptop or a desktop? | 00:24 |
| carolyn | desktop | 00:24 |
| cprofitt | can you get the model number of the tplink? | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | I am leaning towards this potentially being an issue with the USB port going to sleep | 00:25 |
| carolyn | ok | 00:25 |
| cprofitt | some usb ports will power down at times... and some wireless chips will power down as well | 00:26 |
| cprofitt | does this only happen after the screen saver goes on... or only after a certain amount of time or it is random? | 00:26 |
| cprofitt | carolyn: ? | 00:29 |
| cprofitt | Do you have a TL-WN821N model? | 00:30 |
| carolyn | sorry rprofitt I had a plumber asking me about an issue he's having trying to fix a plumbing issue | 01:48 |
| carolyn | meant cproffit | 01:49 |
| cprofitt | carolyn: no problem | 01:49 |
| cprofitt | I am still here | 01:49 |
| carolyn | ok thanks | 01:49 |
| cprofitt | Do you have a TL-WN821N model? | 01:49 |
| carolyn | I think its either the TL-WN821N or TL-WN822N I got it on Newegg I'll check my order | 01:50 |
| cprofitt | k | 01:50 |
| carolyn | k it's a TL-WN822N | 01:51 |
| cprofitt | k | 01:53 |
| cprofitt | that is good the other has known issues and I found no solutions | 01:54 |
| carolyn | ah that sounds good | 01:55 |
| carolyn | lsusb shows Device 004: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | yes, it has an Atheros chipset | 01:57 |
| cprofitt | can you set your AP to a static channel instead of having it be automatic? | 01:58 |
| carolyn | in iwconfig? | 01:59 |
| cprofitt | no, on your access point or router | 01:59 |
| carolyn | yes it's set to channel 11 | 01:59 |
| cprofitt | try changing it to channel 6 | 01:59 |
| carolyn | k but 6 overlaps the neighbors | 02:00 |
| cprofitt | the only issue I found with your card is the inability to use channel 12 and 13... | 02:00 |
| cprofitt | drop to channel 1 then | 02:00 |
| carolyn | k | 02:00 |
| cprofitt | every review of the device is glowing in regards to Ubuntu... | 02:01 |
| carolyn | ah good | 02:02 |
| cprofitt | silly cnn... they are showing a bar graph with Gingrich being ties with Romney, Santorum and Paul | 02:03 |
| cprofitt | Gingrich has 13% of the vote | 02:03 |
| cprofitt | while the others have 23% | 02:03 |
| cprofitt | I did not know 13 and 23 were the same | 02:03 |
| cprofitt | that will change a lot of math | 02:03 |
| carolyn | Not sure Gingrich will do well in Iowa though | 02:04 |
| carolyn | Bachman may make some strides | 02:05 |
| cprofitt | Bachman is 2nd to last with 6% | 02:06 |
| cprofitt | any change in wireless drops with the channel change? | 02:07 |
| carolyn | seems to be stable for now | 02:07 |
| cprofitt | the one artile I read talked about it not working well on channel 12 and 13 | 02:08 |
| carolyn | I'll run insidder again on a windows laptop and see how things look | 02:08 |
| cprofitt | http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-bugs/2011-11/msg02912.html | 02:08 |
| cprofitt | let me know if you want a replacement for insidder on LInux | 02:09 |
| carolyn | ah thanks - I noticed I couldn't get the 822N to work at all in KUbuntu - so went with Ubuntu instead | 02:09 |
| cprofitt | ooh... there is a Linux version of insidder now | 02:10 |
| carolyn | I tried that but couldn't get it too work | 02:10 |
| carolyn | the gui comes up and then nothing happens | 02:11 |
| cprofitt | odd... I have not tried that though | 02:11 |
| cprofitt | I usually use my android app to scan -- because it is more portable | 02:11 |
| cprofitt | but I use kismet for Linux currently | 02:11 |
| carolyn | the website says that they know of the problem with Insidder on linux and will get to it | 02:12 |
| cprofitt | that is good... insidder is a great tool | 02:12 |
| cprofitt | iwscanner is another option, but I have not tried it yet | 02:12 |
| carolyn | ah I could get kismet running - but after upgrading it didn't work | 02:12 |
| carolyn | using the kismet ppas | 02:12 |
| cprofitt | you likely have to download and install from the site -- the one in the repos did not work for me ither | 02:13 |
| cprofitt | http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml | 02:13 |
| cprofitt | its a .deb file so it was easy | 02:13 |
| cprofitt | they also have a repo for 11.x (11.04) | 02:14 |
| cprofitt | I just did the .deb though | 02:14 |
| carolyn | yes tried that but the only thing that worked was source=ath5k,wlan0,SSID,11 | 02:15 |
| carolyn | on the old version, I think the newer version the default source for Atheros didn't work | 02:15 |
| cprofitt | odd... I have a different ath card... and older oine | 02:16 |
| cprofitt | one | 02:16 |
| carolyn | do you remember the source you used? | 02:16 |
| cprofitt | checking now -- have to boot up other laptop | 02:16 |
| carolyn | oh ok thanks | 02:16 |
| cprofitt | ath5k was my source | 02:20 |
| carolyn | I used Mac80211 as the source in the newer Kismet - but couldn't get that to work | 02:20 |
| cprofitt | my card is an older AR5212 | 02:21 |
| cprofitt | its a cardbus taken from an old Dell AP | 02:22 |
| carolyn | ah | 02:22 |
| cprofitt | True Mobile 1170 2.4Ghz only | 02:22 |
| carolyn | I also tried aircrack - but couldn't get any packets | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | weird | 02:24 |
| cprofitt | do you have any local 2600 or linux groups near you? | 02:24 |
| carolyn | I haven't looked, I just loaded ubuntu | 02:25 |
| cprofitt | cool... if you are comfortable telling me where you are I might be able to point you to resources | 02:25 |
| carolyn | I've been using Centos, and RHEL for a few years | 02:26 |
| cprofitt | you seem very knowledgable | 02:26 |
| carolyn | and had an old PC with W2K on there, that I loaded Ubuntu on | 02:26 |
| carolyn | it seems like Ubuntu works great | 02:26 |
| cprofitt | I like Ubuntu and Fedora | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | and Arch | 02:27 |
| carolyn | have you tried the other flavors of Ubuntu? K & X? | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | but the Ubuntu community has just been stellar... the community really pushes the distro over the top for me | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | I tried lubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu | 02:27 |
| cprofitt | I liked Gnome the best to be honest... even with Unity | 02:27 |
| carolyn | I'm amazed at all the apps available for Ubuntu | 02:28 |
| cprofitt | it is a large number | 02:28 |
| carolyn | Centos, and RHEL have about a tenth as many apps if that many | 02:29 |
| cprofitt | I am trying to get people to present on many of them at my local LUG in Rochester, but not many people want to present. | 02:29 |
| cprofitt | Fedora would likely have more apps than centos or rhel | 02:29 |
| carolyn | I'm near Washington D.C. | 02:29 |
| cprofitt | Cool... that is a nice area for IT... I would move there to get in to infosec, but my wife and family do not want to move | 02:29 |
| cprofitt | I am ex-military with an old clearance... and up here in Rochester that amounts to nothing | 02:30 |
| carolyn | they're always looking for someone with clearances here | 02:31 |
| cprofitt | that is what I have been told... had two people try to get me to move down there | 02:31 |
| cprofitt | the kids are 11, 5 and 4; my wife is a native of Rochester | 02:31 |
| cprofitt | so that just won't happen | 02:31 |
| carolyn | ah | 02:32 |
| cprofitt | I would love infosec, but family means more | 02:32 |
| cprofitt | I assume you are in IT based on the level of knowledge | 02:33 |
| carolyn | yes, I work with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association in Silver Spring, MD | 02:33 |
| carolyn | It's a nice job | 02:34 |
| cprofitt | Nice. I use the webiste often to look at hurricanes, etc | 02:34 |
| carolyn | But infosec is a chore for me - a lot of documentation - I'd rather work on technical side | 02:35 |
| cprofitt | ah... yes... I would want to be on the technical side of infosec -- pentesting, etc... not the paperwork, or dog and pony side | 02:35 |
| cprofitt | I used to be in management... and while I would not mind a small team I would not want to lead 200+ people again | 02:36 |
| carolyn | yikes! | 02:36 |
| carolyn | that would drive me crazy | 02:37 |
| cprofitt | it did me. | 02:37 |
| cprofitt | what do you currently do for them? Sys Admin? | 02:38 |
| cprofitt | I currently am a sys admin -- manage AD, SAN, VMware, backups, etc | 02:38 |
| carolyn | I do a bit of everything - sys admin, networking, IT Security, GIS infrastructure... | 02:39 |
| cprofitt | we have another organization handle our networking... so I do not get to touch that... though I have a switch at home to poke at | 02:40 |
| cprofitt | I do handle our IT security... for what it amounts too | 02:40 |
| cprofitt | I am likely seen as paranoid by most | 02:40 |
| carolyn | I used to manage our databases, but fortunately have someone else doing that now | 02:40 |
| cprofitt | I doubt many other K-12 school districts have host based intrusion detection setup. | 02:41 |
| cprofitt | ah... yes, I do SQL servers and DBs as well... | 02:41 |
| carolyn | no you have to be | 02:41 |
| cprofitt | I was the 'original' technician in the department and it has grown around me | 02:41 |
| carolyn | I tell folks that if you leave a system unsecured for about 3 hours it's usually owned | 02:41 |
| carolyn | I used to run a honeypot on a VAX VMS system, and would show folks the logs | 02:42 |
| cprofitt | my boss actually had someone open our AD server up for ldap lookups... I want to build an LDS instance instead... I am seen as paranoid | 02:42 |
| cprofitt | yeah,... honey pots are nice... I put up a virtual one to play with | 02:42 |
| cprofitt | the biggest thing I stress to folks is that we have the enemy inside our network... (they will not setup proper separation between student and server vlans) | 02:43 |
| carolyn | not sure why not - that would be easy to do | 02:44 |
| cprofitt | yes, it would be... | 02:44 |
| cprofitt | but the answer I got was... no other district does it... nothing bad has happened yet... sounds like you are paranoid | 02:44 |
| cprofitt | this after a visit from the secret service... | 02:44 |
| carolyn | sounds like a Dilbert comic | 02:45 |
| cprofitt | ofcourse... they did not let me report the incident that brought the secret service in for two months | 02:45 |
| cprofitt | then when the agent asked me why I did not report it right away I just looked at my supervisors and waited for them to answer | 02:45 |
| carolyn | hmmmm | 02:46 |
| cprofitt | it is kinda like a Dilbert cartoon... | 02:46 |
| cprofitt | the head of IT is an ex-librarian with a school administrators degree | 02:46 |
| cprofitt | its what happens in most schools | 02:46 |
| carolyn | well sounds like they're fortunate to have you | 02:47 |
| cprofitt | he listens to me more than most other administrators in other school districts | 02:47 |
| cprofitt | I think so... but it is not fun always trying to swim upstream | 02:47 |
| cprofitt | I suspect it would be the same in most places though | 02:47 |
| carolyn | I remember reading about one school system that had the webcam on the laptop monitor their students | 02:51 |
| carolyn | when they took the laptops home | 02:51 |
| carolyn | Well I'm off thanks for your help cprofitt! | 02:53 |
| carolyn | it was good meeting you | 02:54 |
| Ford_P | Need some help... | 04:07 |
| Ford_P | When I type lspci -v | 04:08 |
| Ford_P | need to know how to identify my chipset. | 04:08 |
| cprofitt | which chipset? | 04:09 |
| cprofitt | video, sounds, etc? | 04:10 |
| cprofitt | motherboard? | 04:10 |
| cprofitt | Ford_P: ? | 04:12 |
| Ford_P | sorry | 04:12 |
| Ford_P | yes | 04:13 |
| Ford_P | sound card | 04:13 |
| cprofitt | k | 04:13 |
| Ford_P | so i get output, but don't know how to id the chipset | 04:13 |
| Ford_P | Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel | 04:13 |
| cprofitt | lspci | grep Audio should work | 04:13 |
| Ford_P | ok one second | 04:14 |
| Ford_P | 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) | 04:14 |
| cprofitt | so you have a ICH4 chipset using AC'97 | 04:15 |
| Ford_P | so when I type in sudo modprobe snd- | 04:15 |
| Ford_P | I need to type ICH4? | 04:15 |
| cprofitt | no... looking that up now | 04:15 |
| Ford_P | thank you | 04:15 |
| cprofitt | what happens when you run alsamixer? | 04:18 |
| Ford_P | how do I run alsamixer? | 04:18 |
| cprofitt | I am also curious if you are on a thinkpad laptop | 04:18 |
| cprofitt | terminal and type: | 04:18 |
| cprofitt | alsamixer | 04:18 |
| Ford_P | no I'm on an Averatec laptop. It's probably about 10 years old. | 04:18 |
| Ford_P | ok I'm in Alsamixer | 04:19 |
| Ford_P | it is displaying to me. | 04:19 |
| cprofitt | do all the channel look like they are turned up? | 04:19 |
| Ford_P | no they look turned off | 04:20 |
| cprofitt | try turning them up... | 04:20 |
| cprofitt | use arrow keys to go left and right -- and up to turn them up | 04:20 |
| cprofitt | the m key mutes and un-mutes | 04:21 |
| Ford_P | had no idea that even existed | 04:21 |
| Unit193 | MM means the channel is muted, and OO is alive | 04:22 |
| cprofitt | yep | 04:22 |
| Ford_P | nope | 04:23 |
| Ford_P | doesn't work | 04:23 |
| Ford_P | I've selected each column and they are all turned on high | 04:23 |
| cprofitt | ok... at the top left of the alsamixer screen... | 04:23 |
| Ford_P | each section has been unmuted. | 04:23 |
| cprofitt | what card and chipset does it report? | 04:23 |
| Ford_P | Card = Intel 82801DB-ICH4 | 04:24 |
| Ford_P | Chipset = Realtek ALC202 rev 0 | 04:24 |
| cprofitt | does your laptop have a 'mute button'? | 04:24 |
| Ford_P | no | 04:25 |
| Ford_P | if we could go back to the alsamixer for a second | 04:27 |
| cprofitt | sure | 04:27 |
| Ford_P | at the bottom of each section should it indicate the sound level? Currently it's displaying 00 in green for each section | 04:27 |
| cprofitt | well... there is the 00 or MM in a box | 04:28 |
| Ford_P | 00 | 04:28 |
| cprofitt | then below that it will show a ##<>## | 04:28 |
| cprofitt | the sound level is actually the ##<>## | 04:28 |
| Ford_P | yes so Master = 100<>100 | 04:28 |
| cprofitt | yep | 04:28 |
| Ford_P | actually they all are 100<>100 | 04:28 |
| Ford_P | damn | 04:29 |
| Ford_P | perhaps the sound card died? | 04:29 |
| cprofitt | ah... do you have an option for external amplifier? | 04:30 |
| Ford_P | not to my knowledge. | 04:30 |
| Ford_P | no | 04:30 |
| cprofitt | https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/179635 | 04:31 |
| Ford_P | should I try to reinstall the driver? | 04:31 |
| cprofitt | that was the closest I could find | 04:31 |
| cprofitt | no, with Linux you should not have to reinstall | 04:31 |
| Ford_P | Thank you for all your help. | 04:32 |
| Ford_P | I appreciate it. | 04:32 |
| cprofitt | have you tried posting your question on askubuntu.com? | 04:32 |
| Ford_P | not yet | 04:32 |
| cprofitt | it would not be immediate help, but it is an excellent resource for issues like this | 04:32 |
| Ford_P | I just got home from work and was starting to dig into the issue | 04:32 |
| Ford_P | it's worth a shot. | 04:33 |
| Ford_P | Thanks again | 04:33 |
| cprofitt | http://askubuntu.com/questions/5325/why-do-i-have-no-sound-anymore | 04:33 |
| cprofitt | that one is similar to yours... but that person had messed his hardware settings... not sure if in bios or if he had a physical mute button | 04:34 |
| cprofitt | sorry I could not help more... I hope you find a solution for it. | 04:34 |
| cprofitt | I gotta run and get some sleep. | 04:35 |
| Ford_P | have a good night | 04:35 |
| cprofitt | you too | 04:35 |
| nixnine | anyone know what this means or how to fix it "Could not update ICEauthority file/home/test/.ICEauthority" | 05:39 |
| holstein | you could try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021106 | 05:40 |
| holstein | nixnine: ^ | 05:40 |
| nixnine | that is several years old. think it will work? | 05:46 |
| holstein | nixnine: it literally wont hurt to own something in your home directory... that could be the issue.. permissions | 05:47 |
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| sanbar | boobear: o/ | 07:08 |
| boobear | heyy | 07:08 |
| sanbar | 'sup? | 07:08 |
| boobear | whats up | 07:08 |
| sanbar | hehe ... just chillin, right now - been coding and stuff | 07:09 |
| boobear | wow lucky you me beginner lol | 07:09 |
| sanbar | boobear: beginner at what? Coding? | 07:09 |
| boobear | yup and ubuntu just decided to give it a try | 07:10 |
| sanbar | boobear: nice, it is a lot of fun - I have been coding for some time, but am really a beginner at Unbuntu/Linux | 07:10 |
| boobear | ;p | 07:11 |
| sanbar | Ubuntu* | 07:11 |
| sanbar | boobear: What languages do you want to try? | 07:11 |
| boobear | i want to start with c++ | 07:12 |
| sanbar | boobear: I think that is a good place to start, but you need the right materials to learn from | 07:12 |
| boobear | yup | 07:12 |
| sanbar | boobear: Do you have a first project in mind? | 07:13 |
| boobear | lol that would be day dreaming i can have not even started | 07:14 |
| boobear | have | 07:14 |
| sanbar | boobear: YOu should check out ##c++ | 07:14 |
| sanbar | on freenode | 07:14 |
| boobear | brb | 07:15 |
| boobear | @sanbar i will add you to watched nicks and ttyl have to go off now | 07:19 |
| sanbar | ok, later | 07:19 |
| Fepps | Hallo | 08:21 |
| sanbar | Fepps: Hallo | 08:22 |
| Fepps | Hiya. | 08:22 |
| sanbar | Fepps: What's going on? | 08:23 |
| Fepps | I got a new laptop and am choosing a new distro. Ideally, I want one that's easy to do offline updating. You got any ideas? | 08:23 |
| sanbar | Ubuntu? | 08:23 |
| sanbar | Not sure ... | 08:24 |
| Fepps | :P | 08:24 |
| mysteriousdarren | Lubuntu? | 08:25 |
| Unit193 | !offline | 08:25 |
| ubot2` | If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ - See also !APTonCD | 08:25 |
| Unit193 | !info apt-offline | 08:26 |
| Fepps | I used to use Arch. I have learned not to use a rolling-release distro with an offline machine :U | 08:26 |
| Unit193 | ubot2`: info apt-offline | 08:26 |
| ubot2` | Unit193: apt-offline (source: apt-offline): offline apt package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9 (maverick), package size 76 kB, installed size 448 kB | 08:26 |
| mysteriousdarren | Unit193: man your on the ball today | 08:26 |
| Unit193 | mysteriousdarren: How so? | 08:27 |
| sanbar | Fepps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline - this should help | 08:27 |
| mysteriousdarren | Unit193: your all over and have so much knowledge | 08:27 |
| sanbar | Unit193: I want to have your ether-baby | 08:28 |
| Unit193 | Na, the others are better | 08:28 |
| Fepps | Thanks. | 08:29 |
| sanbar | np | 08:29 |
| mysteriousdarren | Unit193: your in your element at least | 08:30 |
| sanbar | mysteriousdarren: Unit193 helped me more than anyone else on these forums ... :) | 08:31 |
| mysteriousdarren | ubuntuforums? or in irc? | 08:32 |
| sanbar | both | 08:33 |
| Unit193 | Lets take it to -team (While I transfer Firefly off the old HDD) | 08:33 |
| sanbar | I said that wrong, of all the places I have been (Ubuntu or elsewhere), he has been the most help | 08:33 |
| mysteriousdarren | well its nice to have that | 08:35 |
| thor_ | Non-ports daily iso what is it?? I can see that there more package in there | 12:02 |
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| dsenator | hi | 16:51 |
| dsenator | anyone here? | 16:51 |
| Sidewinder1 | Yes. :-) | 16:51 |
| dsenator | need help converting from pdf to avi or to flv | 16:51 |
| holstein | dsenator: lots of folks here... :) | 16:51 |
| dsenator | thanks, i am new here | 16:51 |
| holstein | dsenator: you can export to flash from libreoffice | 16:52 |
| Sidewinder1 | PDF is a document, avi is video, not sure about flv.. | 16:52 |
| dsenator | yeah it works on windows | 16:52 |
| dsenator | pdf to avi or flv | 16:52 |
| holstein | depending on what you are trying to end up with, making a "power point" might be an easy place to start | 16:52 |
| * Sidewinder1 Bows and turns it over to holstein :-) | 16:52 | |
| holstein | Sidewinder1: hehe... | 16:52 |
| dsenator | wen yu say flas, is that flash video | 16:52 |
| holstein | i agree you dont get pdf to avi | 16:53 |
| dsenator | hmmm | 16:53 |
| holstein | you might get a presentation type of thing that displays images, and those images can be from pdf's | 16:53 |
| dsenator | maybe to flv then | 16:53 |
| holstein | thats why i suggest making a presentation in libreoffice | 16:53 |
| dsenator | ok, this is it, i need to upload some pdf to facebook, for some educational purposes | 16:54 |
| holstein | you can import the pdf's or convert them to images, such as jpg or png | 16:54 |
| dsenator | but fb dont do pdf | 16:54 |
| holstein | dsenator: you can use dropbox.. ubuntuone... weblinks... imagebin | 16:54 |
| dsenator | and yeah i dont want to do jpg convertion | 16:54 |
| holstein | you can make a presention | 16:54 |
| dsenator | on fb? | 16:54 |
| holstein | you can make a video and upload it to youtube | 16:54 |
| holstein | and link that | 16:54 |
| dsenator | hmm... | 16:55 |
| dsenator | tell me about ubuntu 1 | 16:55 |
| holstein | its a sharing service (among other things) like dropbox is | 16:55 |
| holstein | you put a file in there, and share a link for someone to get it | 16:56 |
| dsenator | so how do i use it for this purpose? | 16:56 |
| holstein | like you would on a webhost or whatever | 16:56 |
| holstein | dsenator: im not sure what the purpose is | 16:56 |
| holstein | if i wanted to share a file, i would use something like that... or another file sharing service | 16:56 |
| dsenator | for the same fb purpose to those i tutor | 16:56 |
| holstein | dsenator: check out the video when you go through this refferal linke http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/ | 16:57 |
| dsenator | I might just do what yu have suggested | 16:57 |
| dsenator | very helpful | 16:57 |
| holstein | dsenator: take FB out of the equation | 16:57 |
| holstein | you just need to share a file... this is one way to do it | 16:57 |
| holstein | if you need a video, then make a video | 16:58 |
| holstein | otherwise, just share the pdf | 16:58 |
| dsenator | ok then | 16:58 |
| Sidewinder1 | dsenator, Just as an aside, don't write off #ubuntu in the future because you didn't get a quick answer. With over 1,400 folks in the channel, it moves kinda' fast and sometimes your question kinda' gets lost. :-) | 16:59 |
| holstein | yeah, its busy over there, and challenging to catch everything going on | 16:59 |
| dsenator | thanks | 17:00 |
| dsenator | Ubuntu is my choice of OS so no quuitting | 17:00 |
| dsenator | i have another thing to inquire | 17:01 |
| holstein | dsenator: sure... just go for it.. if anyone knows, they will respond :) | 17:02 |
| dsenator | I have tried to resize the windows partition on my HDD to become small and give more space to UBuntu | 17:02 |
| dsenator | but when ii tried it did not resize but created an empty space which i cant touch or delete or resize | 17:02 |
| holstein | dsenator: you'll need to resize both, and thats not trivial... i would have all my data backed up, and i would do that froma live CD *not* while either os is running | 17:03 |
| dsenator | yeah, I have a partition magic cd, not live cd | 17:03 |
| holstein | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php for example, though you can use the installer disd you used | 17:03 |
| dsenator | and gparted too | 17:03 |
| holstein | depends on how you have things partitioned.. you can run sudo fdisk -l and put that in ubuntupaste, or take a screenshot if you prefer... we can take a look and see whats going on | 17:04 |
| dsenator | i shd do a screen shot then | 17:05 |
| dsenator | now how to get to the partition screen | 17:05 |
| dsenator | :) thanks for yur help guys | 17:05 |
| holstein | Sidewinder1: you hang in #ubuntu? ...its too loud for me... i for one appreciate all those who help in there, im just not fast enough | 17:07 |
| Sidewinder1 | dsenator, Wait... | 17:07 |
| Sidewinder1 | If your going to resize ab NTFS partition... | 17:07 |
| dsenator | i just took a screen shot | 17:07 |
| Sidewinder1 | Make sure that you defragment it at least twice, in win., first.. | 17:08 |
| Sidewinder1 | Then if using 7, best to shrink it from the 7 OS; this wasn't so in XP (not sure about Vista) | 17:09 |
| hobgoblin | vista had a fit too apparently Sidewinder1 | 17:10 |
| dsenator | yes i use 7 | 17:10 |
| dsenator | dual boot | 17:10 |
| Sidewinder1 | But either way, defragmenting is a must; I have heard of all kindsa' horror stories from those that had never defraged and shrunk.. | 17:10 |
| dsenator | now guys how do i give you the screen shot | 17:11 |
| dsenator | can i drag and drop here? | 17:11 |
| holstein | http://imagebin.org/ | 17:11 |
| dsenator | or ubuntu one? | 17:11 |
| holstein | sure.. dropbox... whatever | 17:12 |
| Sidewinder1 | OK, 7, I suggest, as holstein said that you back-up everything, defrag. twice, then shrink the NTFS in wim7 | 17:12 |
| Sidewinder1 | win7, even. | 17:12 |
| holstein | yeah, backup in those cases is crucial... you can really hose things... i did the first time i tried ;) | 17:12 |
| dsenator | hmm | 17:12 |
| holstein | i bet it was the defrag trick though... since then i have only done it on fresh installs. install win, shrink, install linux. | 17:13 |
| Sidewinder1 | dsenator, Also, this site contains a wealth of info. and how-to's, just STAY AWAY FROM WUBI! http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index | 17:14 |
| dsenator | http://imagebin.org/191758 | 17:15 |
| Sidewinder1 | holstein, Yes, when I said horror stories, they had to do with shrinking NTFS with no defrag; glad I did my homework first and did it twice. :-) | 17:15 |
| dsenator | sidewinder, did yu say stay away from wubi? but it used to instal ubuntu into windows | 17:18 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: you have to resize the extended sda3 before the space is available to sda5 | 17:18 |
| Sidewinder1 | I'm not particularly accomplished at fixing partitioning situations, as to how to add the 73 GBs back, to the NTFS on sda2,. Therefore, I'll turn it back over to holstein :D | 17:19 |
| hobgoblin | you 'might' have to move the unallocate complteley to the right before you can add it, not sure on that | 17:19 |
| Sidewinder1 | Or hobgoblin .. :-) | 17:19 |
| * Sidewinder1 Wonders if they look alike. | 17:20 | |
| dsenator | i cant even select it, so how do i move it | 17:20 |
| hobgoblin | it could either way take rather a long time - if you've a laptop - mains power - never assume that it has hung in the middle of it's job - sometimes it looks like it | 17:20 |
| dsenator | hobgoblin, not sure i get that resize sda3 stuff | 17:20 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: select sda3 - right click resize, then you'll be able to 'grab' the left edge of sda3 and move it to the left | 17:21 |
| hobgoblin | that will add the unallocated space to the extended | 17:21 |
| dsenator | any threats doing this? | 17:22 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: you are working with partitions - make sure you have backups - it probably will be fine - but I have had it go wrong in the past | 17:22 |
| hobgoblin | oh - hang on - you can't do it if that screenie is of now | 17:23 |
| hobgoblin | reboot into a livecd of some sort - install buntu/gparted/pmagic - whatever you have to hand | 17:24 |
| dsenator | but from what isee now, sda5 is a child of sda3 | 17:24 |
| hobgoblin | you have mounted partitions - can't work with mounted partitions | 17:24 |
| dsenator | ok | 17:24 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: yes that is correct - simplistically sda5 is inside sda3 - you can't make sda5 bigger until sda3 is :) | 17:25 |
| hobgoblin | quart into a pint pot and all that | 17:25 |
| hobgoblin | if you use an ubuntu install livecd it is likely swap will be on - right click and swapoff then all partitions should be unmounted | 17:26 |
| hobgoblin | and hi Sidewinder1 :) | 17:26 |
| dsenator | ok, hob, I think i only have a partition margic cd | 17:27 |
| dsenator | i only upgraded from karmic to oneric so no livecd | 17:27 |
| holstein | dsenator: right... boot the machine using that disc | 17:27 |
| dsenator | ok? | 17:27 |
| hobgoblin | k - boot with that and have a go - remember - don't assume it's hung, mains power, BACKUPS ;) | 17:27 |
| dsenator | and find my way into the partitioon stuff | 17:27 |
| holstein | boot something live... not one of the OS's on the hard drive | 17:27 |
| dsenator | yes roger that | 17:28 |
| hobgoblin | and as I said it might mean you have to move the unallocated to the end of the already exisitng drive | 17:28 |
| dsenator | but before yu stop, can yu educate me on the sda 1 to 6 here | 17:28 |
| hobgoblin | it could well take hours ... | 17:28 |
| hobgoblin | 2 secs | 17:28 |
| holstein | 5 and 6 are inside 3 | 17:29 |
| holstein | 1 and 2 are ntfs | 17:29 |
| hobgoblin | personally - if the partition tool says it is going to take a long time I would seriously think about just making a new linux partition and mounting that at boot | 17:29 |
| hobgoblin | I'd imagine that it will take a long time with 130Gb of data to move - what would you think holstein | 17:31 |
| dsenator | ... | 17:31 |
| holstein | it wont be what we could call 'peppy' | 17:32 |
| holstein | i would think it could take hours | 17:32 |
| hobgoblin | :) | 17:32 |
| hobgoblin | yea - thanks - thought so myself | 17:32 |
| dsenator | well | 17:32 |
| dsenator | see what i got myself into | 17:32 |
| holstein | i wouldnt hit the button unless you are willing to wait for 3 or 4 hours just in case | 17:32 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: obviously it's your call - but you could effectively be using the space in about 5 minutes if you do it the other way :) | 17:33 |
| holstein | you dont want to stop it in the middle :/ | 17:33 |
| dsenator | ok guys... i will consider this and decide on how and when to begin | 17:35 |
| hobgoblin | k | 17:35 |
| dsenator | how do i defrag in ubuntu pls | 17:35 |
| hobgoblin | you don't | 17:36 |
| dsenator | oh | 17:36 |
| hobgoblin | I assume you mean the ntfs drives | 17:36 |
| dsenator | well, not sure what i mean here | 17:37 |
| dsenator | but i thot someone mentioned to defrad first before resize | 17:37 |
| dsenator | maybe they were talking about in windows | 17:37 |
| holstein | dsenator: you should defrag the windows partitions from inside windows before resizing them | 17:37 |
| dsenator | oh i c | 17:38 |
| hobgoblin | oic - you've already got past that stage - you resized the ntfs one already | 17:38 |
| holstein | Sidewinder1 suggested doing that twice... defrag them 2 times | 17:38 |
| dsenator | oh | 17:38 |
| dsenator | ok | 17:38 |
| dsenator | but can i try resize the ubuntu from inside windows too | 17:38 |
| hobgoblin | have you booted into windows since you did the resize | 17:38 |
| holstein | dsenator: i would not | 17:39 |
| dsenator | yes i have | 17:39 |
| dsenator | ok, i wont too | 17:39 |
| holstein | i would all resizing from a live CD | 17:39 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: no - windows won't see the linux drives properly | 17:39 |
| holstein | though, Sidewinder1 suggested the tool in win7 for the windows parts | 17:39 |
| dsenator | thanks for your patience holstein | 17:39 |
| holstein | dsenator: :) | 17:39 |
| holstein | dsenator: we'll get you sorted... we're glad to help! | 17:40 |
| dsenator | i got to get to work here tho | 17:40 |
| dsenator | will surely feed yu back sometime tomorrow, if i go ahead | 17:40 |
| dsenator | what part of the world are you Holstein?, i am in UK | 17:40 |
| hobgoblin | good luck dsenator | 17:40 |
| holstein | US... north caroling | 17:41 |
| holstein | US... north carolina* | 17:41 |
| dsenator | yay | 17:41 |
| dsenator | US | 17:41 |
| dsenator | nice nice | 17:41 |
| hobgoblin | dsenator: wher abouts - south coast near southampton I am | 17:41 |
| dsenator | yu guys are just so kind from US | 17:41 |
| hobgoblin | I'll be the unkind brit | 17:41 |
| holstein | hehe... im the guy that talks about you when you leave ;) | 17:41 |
| * holstein totally kidding... | 17:41 | |
| dsenator | dont get | 17:42 |
| dsenator | oh | 17:42 |
| dsenator | but yu in US right not UK | 17:42 |
| hobgoblin | not me :) | 17:42 |
| dsenator | i am in UK | 17:42 |
| hobgoblin | so am I :) | 17:42 |
| dsenator | oh, thot yu said north carolina | 17:42 |
| dsenator | which is US | 17:42 |
| * holstein is in NC | 17:42 | |
| hobgoblin | holstein did | 17:42 |
| hobgoblin | I'm near Southampton/Bournemouth | 17:43 |
| dsenator | ok the names | 17:43 |
| dsenator | starting with an ''h'' and followed by an ''o'' | 17:43 |
| hobgoblin | :d | 17:43 |
| dsenator | got it mixed up | 17:43 |
| dsenator | hob, i am in London | 17:44 |
| hobgoblin | aah k :) | 17:44 |
| dsenator | but not from here as yu might figure out | 17:44 |
| dsenator | anyway... I shd feed yu back tomorrow or so | 17:44 |
| hobgoblin | yep - good luck if you do it | 17:44 |
| dsenator | cheers all | 17:47 |
| dsenator | i shd be out in few secs | 17:47 |
| sluckxz | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Preparing_for_Graphical_Environment says i need to sudo apt-get install xorg to prepare a minimal install for X. is that still true? | 18:49 |
| bioterror | yes | 18:57 |
| bioterror | how else would it work? | 18:58 |
| sluckxz | i dont know thats why i came to ubuntu beginner to ask | 18:59 |
| bioterror | you had that still, so I assumed you had experience | 19:00 |
| bioterror | but what are you going to build from your minimal installation? | 19:00 |
| sluckxz | i needed to use minimal as the cdrom is going bad and chokes on a full install. | 19:01 |
| sluckxz | minimal is going fine so far, base is done. | 19:01 |
| bioterror | you can: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop | 19:01 |
| bioterror | to get normal ubuntu | 19:02 |
| bioterror | or you can use kubuntu-desktop | 19:02 |
| bioterror | xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop | 19:02 |
| sluckxz | thats what i hoped, lubuntu-desktop | 19:02 |
| bioterror | my favourite <3 | 19:02 |
| sluckxz | sweet, the latest minimal asks if you want to install lubuntu minimal. | 19:06 |
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| s-fox | Hello. | 20:38 |
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| hobgoblin | o/ | 20:41 |
| s-fox | \o | 20:41 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | Hey s-fox | 20:41 |
| s-fox | Hello IAmNotThatGuy | 20:42 |
| hobgoblin | do you need some help s-fox | 20:42 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | lol | 20:42 |
| s-fox | hmm | 20:42 |
| s-fox | no? | 20:42 |
| hobgoblin | excellent | 20:42 |
| hobgoblin | :) | 20:42 |
| s-fox | i can't recall the last time i requested help in here. | 20:43 |
| * IAmNotThatGuy ROFLs | 20:43 | |
| hobgoblin | I can | 20:43 |
| hobgoblin | it was when this was the team channel and not the support one | 20:43 |
| s-fox | That was some time ago. | 20:43 |
| hobgoblin | wanted someone to be master to your padawan :p | 20:44 |
| IAmNotThatGuy | some years ago | 20:44 |
| hobgoblin | no idea who was daft enough to take that one | 20:44 |
| hobgoblin | :) | 20:44 |
| s-fox | In a round about way I asked | 20:44 |
| s-fox | :) | 20:44 |
| hobgoblin | :) | 20:45 |
| hobgoblin | that was some time ago now ... | 20:45 |
| s-fox | I miss the way it was. | 20:45 |
| hobgoblin | as do I | 20:46 |
| s-fox | Goodbye. | 23:18 |
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