[00:15] hi my wireless keeps disconnecting any troubleshooting ideas? [00:16] uses the ath9k_htc driver and is a tplink [00:19] carolyn: do you have any other computing devices? [00:20] usb kb and mouse [00:20] no other usb devices [00:20] I should have been more clear... I meant other computers, tablets or smart phones [00:21] yes I have a couple of others [00:21] are those having any connectivity issues? [00:21] no they're fine [00:21] ok... [00:22] to clarify the computer with an issue can connect for a period of time and then drops [00:22] correct [00:23] what kind of security -- wpa / wep ? [00:23] it's easy to fix by unplugging and replugging in the usb wireless card [00:23] oh, its USB.... [00:23] that might explain it... [00:23] its wpa2 [00:23] I think [00:23] laptop [00:24] it's a PC with a wireless usb card [00:24] is it connected to a laptop or a desktop? [00:24] desktop [00:25] can you get the model number of the tplink? [00:25] I am leaning towards this potentially being an issue with the USB port going to sleep [00:25] ok [00:26] some usb ports will power down at times... and some wireless chips will power down as well [00:26] does this only happen after the screen saver goes on... or only after a certain amount of time or it is random? [00:29] carolyn: ? [00:30] Do you have a TL-WN821N model? [01:48] sorry rprofitt I had a plumber asking me about an issue he's having trying to fix a plumbing issue [01:49] meant cproffit [01:49] carolyn: no problem [01:49] I am still here [01:49] ok thanks [01:49] Do you have a TL-WN821N model? [01:50] I think its either the TL-WN821N or TL-WN822N I got it on Newegg I'll check my order [01:50] k [01:51] k it's a TL-WN822N [01:53] k [01:54] that is good the other has known issues and I found no solutions [01:55] ah that sounds good [01:57] lsusb shows Device 004: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. [01:57] yes, it has an Atheros chipset [01:58] can you set your AP to a static channel instead of having it be automatic? [01:59] in iwconfig? [01:59] no, on your access point or router [01:59] yes it's set to channel 11 [01:59] try changing it to channel 6 [02:00] k but 6 overlaps the neighbors [02:00] the only issue I found with your card is the inability to use channel 12 and 13... [02:00] drop to channel 1 then [02:00] k [02:01] every review of the device is glowing in regards to Ubuntu... [02:02] ah good [02:03] silly cnn... they are showing a bar graph with Gingrich being ties with Romney, Santorum and Paul [02:03] Gingrich has 13% of the vote [02:03] while the others have 23% [02:03] I did not know 13 and 23 were the same [02:03] that will change a lot of math [02:04] Not sure Gingrich will do well in Iowa though [02:05] Bachman may make some strides [02:06] Bachman is 2nd to last with 6% [02:07] any change in wireless drops with the channel change? [02:07] seems to be stable for now [02:08] the one artile I read talked about it not working well on channel 12 and 13 [02:08] I'll run insidder again on a windows laptop and see how things look [02:08] http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-bugs/2011-11/msg02912.html [02:09] let me know if you want a replacement for insidder on LInux [02:09] ah thanks - I noticed I couldn't get the 822N to work at all in KUbuntu - so went with Ubuntu instead [02:10] ooh... there is a Linux version of insidder now [02:10] I tried that but couldn't get it too work [02:11] the gui comes up and then nothing happens [02:11] odd... I have not tried that though [02:11] I usually use my android app to scan -- because it is more portable [02:11] but I use kismet for Linux currently [02:12] the website says that they know of the problem with Insidder on linux and will get to it [02:12] that is good... insidder is a great tool [02:12] iwscanner is another option, but I have not tried it yet [02:12] ah I could get kismet running - but after upgrading it didn't work [02:12] using the kismet ppas [02:13] you likely have to download and install from the site -- the one in the repos did not work for me ither [02:13] http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml [02:13] its a .deb file so it was easy [02:14] they also have a repo for 11.x (11.04) [02:14] I just did the .deb though [02:15] yes tried that but the only thing that worked was source=ath5k,wlan0,SSID,11 [02:15] on the old version, I think the newer version the default source for Atheros didn't work [02:16] odd... I have a different ath card... and older oine [02:16] one [02:16] do you remember the source you used? [02:16] checking now -- have to boot up other laptop [02:16] oh ok thanks [02:20] ath5k was my source [02:20] I used Mac80211 as the source in the newer Kismet - but couldn't get that to work [02:21] my card is an older AR5212 [02:22] its a cardbus taken from an old Dell AP [02:22] ah [02:22] True Mobile 1170 2.4Ghz only [02:24] I also tried aircrack - but couldn't get any packets [02:24] weird [02:24] do you have any local 2600 or linux groups near you? [02:25] I haven't looked, I just loaded ubuntu [02:25] cool... if you are comfortable telling me where you are I might be able to point you to resources [02:26] I've been using Centos, and RHEL for a few years [02:26] you seem very knowledgable [02:26] and had an old PC with W2K on there, that I loaded Ubuntu on [02:26] it seems like Ubuntu works great [02:27] I like Ubuntu and Fedora [02:27] and Arch [02:27] have you tried the other flavors of Ubuntu? K & X? [02:27] but the Ubuntu community has just been stellar... the community really pushes the distro over the top for me [02:27] I tried lubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu [02:27] I liked Gnome the best to be honest... even with Unity [02:28] I'm amazed at all the apps available for Ubuntu [02:28] it is a large number [02:29] Centos, and RHEL have about a tenth as many apps if that many [02:29] I am trying to get people to present on many of them at my local LUG in Rochester, but not many people want to present. [02:29] Fedora would likely have more apps than centos or rhel [02:29] I'm near Washington D.C. [02:29] Cool... that is a nice area for IT... I would move there to get in to infosec, but my wife and family do not want to move [02:30] I am ex-military with an old clearance... and up here in Rochester that amounts to nothing [02:31] they're always looking for someone with clearances here [02:31] that is what I have been told... had two people try to get me to move down there [02:31] the kids are 11, 5 and 4; my wife is a native of Rochester [02:31] so that just won't happen [02:32] ah [02:32] I would love infosec, but family means more [02:33] I assume you are in IT based on the level of knowledge [02:33] yes, I work with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association in Silver Spring, MD [02:34] It's a nice job [02:34] Nice. I use the webiste often to look at hurricanes, etc [02:35] But infosec is a chore for me - a lot of documentation - I'd rather work on technical side [02:35] ah... yes... I would want to be on the technical side of infosec -- pentesting, etc... not the paperwork, or dog and pony side [02:36] I used to be in management... and while I would not mind a small team I would not want to lead 200+ people again [02:36] yikes! [02:37] that would drive me crazy [02:37] it did me. [02:38] what do you currently do for them? Sys Admin? [02:38] I currently am a sys admin -- manage AD, SAN, VMware, backups, etc [02:39] I do a bit of everything - sys admin, networking, IT Security, GIS infrastructure... [02:40] we have another organization handle our networking... so I do not get to touch that... though I have a switch at home to poke at [02:40] I do handle our IT security... for what it amounts too [02:40] I am likely seen as paranoid by most [02:40] I used to manage our databases, but fortunately have someone else doing that now [02:41] I doubt many other K-12 school districts have host based intrusion detection setup. [02:41] ah... yes, I do SQL servers and DBs as well... [02:41] no you have to be [02:41] I was the 'original' technician in the department and it has grown around me [02:41] I tell folks that if you leave a system unsecured for about 3 hours it's usually owned [02:42] I used to run a honeypot on a VAX VMS system, and would show folks the logs [02:42] my boss actually had someone open our AD server up for ldap lookups... I want to build an LDS instance instead... I am seen as paranoid [02:42] yeah,... honey pots are nice... I put up a virtual one to play with [02:43] the biggest thing I stress to folks is that we have the enemy inside our network... (they will not setup proper separation between student and server vlans) [02:44] not sure why not - that would be easy to do [02:44] yes, it would be... [02:44] but the answer I got was... no other district does it... nothing bad has happened yet... sounds like you are paranoid [02:44] this after a visit from the secret service... [02:45] sounds like a Dilbert comic [02:45] ofcourse... they did not let me report the incident that brought the secret service in for two months [02:45] then when the agent asked me why I did not report it right away I just looked at my supervisors and waited for them to answer [02:46] hmmmm [02:46] it is kinda like a Dilbert cartoon... [02:46] the head of IT is an ex-librarian with a school administrators degree [02:46] its what happens in most schools [02:47] well sounds like they're fortunate to have you [02:47] he listens to me more than most other administrators in other school districts [02:47] I think so... but it is not fun always trying to swim upstream [02:47] I suspect it would be the same in most places though [02:51] I remember reading about one school system that had the webcam on the laptop monitor their students [02:51] when they took the laptops home [02:53] Well I'm off thanks for your help cprofitt! [02:54] it was good meeting you [04:07] Need some help... [04:08] When I type lspci -v [04:08] need to know how to identify my chipset. [04:09] which chipset? [04:10] video, sounds, etc? [04:10] motherboard? [04:12] Ford_P: ? [04:12] sorry [04:13] yes [04:13] sound card [04:13] k [04:13] so i get output, but don't know how to id the chipset [04:13] Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel [04:13] lspci | grep Audio should work [04:14] ok one second [04:14] 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03) [04:15] so you have a ICH4 chipset using AC'97 [04:15] so when I type in sudo modprobe snd- [04:15] I need to type ICH4? [04:15] no... looking that up now [04:15] thank you [04:18] what happens when you run alsamixer? [04:18] how do I run alsamixer? [04:18] I am also curious if you are on a thinkpad laptop [04:18] terminal and type: [04:18] alsamixer [04:18] no I'm on an Averatec laptop. It's probably about 10 years old. [04:19] ok I'm in Alsamixer [04:19] it is displaying to me. [04:19] do all the channel look like they are turned up? [04:20] no they look turned off [04:20] try turning them up... [04:20] use arrow keys to go left and right -- and up to turn them up [04:21] the m key mutes and un-mutes [04:21] had no idea that even existed [04:22] MM means the channel is muted, and OO is alive [04:22] yep [04:23] nope [04:23] doesn't work [04:23] I've selected each column and they are all turned on high [04:23] ok... at the top left of the alsamixer screen... [04:23] each section has been unmuted. [04:23] what card and chipset does it report? [04:24] Card = Intel 82801DB-ICH4 [04:24] Chipset = Realtek ALC202 rev 0 [04:24] does your laptop have a 'mute button'? [04:25] no [04:27] if we could go back to the alsamixer for a second [04:27] sure [04:27] at the bottom of each section should it indicate the sound level? Currently it's displaying 00 in green for each section [04:28] well... there is the 00 or MM in a box [04:28] 00 [04:28] then below that it will show a ##<>## [04:28] the sound level is actually the ##<>## [04:28] yes so Master = 100<>100 [04:28] yep [04:28] actually they all are 100<>100 [04:29] damn [04:29] perhaps the sound card died? [04:30] ah... do you have an option for external amplifier? [04:30] not to my knowledge. [04:30] no [04:31] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/179635 [04:31] should I try to reinstall the driver? [04:31] that was the closest I could find [04:31] no, with Linux you should not have to reinstall [04:32] Thank you for all your help. [04:32] I appreciate it. [04:32] have you tried posting your question on askubuntu.com? [04:32] not yet [04:32] it would not be immediate help, but it is an excellent resource for issues like this [04:32] I just got home from work and was starting to dig into the issue [04:33] it's worth a shot. [04:33] Thanks again [04:33] http://askubuntu.com/questions/5325/why-do-i-have-no-sound-anymore [04:34] that one is similar to yours... but that person had messed his hardware settings... not sure if in bios or if he had a physical mute button [04:34] sorry I could not help more... I hope you find a solution for it. [04:35] I gotta run and get some sleep. [04:35] have a good night [04:35] you too [05:39] anyone know what this means or how to fix it "Could not update ICEauthority file/home/test/.ICEauthority" [05:40] you could try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021106 [05:40] nixnine: ^ [05:46] that is several years old. think it will work? [05:47] nixnine: it literally wont hurt to own something in your home directory... that could be the issue.. permissions === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [07:08] boobear: o/ [07:08] heyy [07:08] 'sup? [07:08] whats up [07:09] hehe ... just chillin, right now - been coding and stuff [07:09] wow lucky you me beginner lol [07:09] boobear: beginner at what? Coding? [07:10] yup and ubuntu just decided to give it a try [07:10] boobear: nice, it is a lot of fun - I have been coding for some time, but am really a beginner at Unbuntu/Linux [07:11] ;p [07:11] Ubuntu* [07:11] boobear: What languages do you want to try? [07:12] i want to start with c++ [07:12] boobear: I think that is a good place to start, but you need the right materials to learn from [07:12] yup [07:13] boobear: Do you have a first project in mind? [07:14] lol that would be day dreaming i can have not even started [07:14] have [07:14] boobear: YOu should check out ##c++ [07:14] on freenode [07:15] brb [07:19] @sanbar i will add you to watched nicks and ttyl have to go off now [07:19] ok, later [08:21] Hallo [08:22] Fepps: Hallo [08:22] Hiya. [08:23] Fepps: What's going on? [08:23] I got a new laptop and am choosing a new distro. Ideally, I want one that's easy to do offline updating. You got any ideas? [08:23] Ubuntu? [08:24] Not sure ... [08:24] :P [08:25] Lubuntu? [08:25] !offline [08:25] If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ - See also !APTonCD [08:26] !info apt-offline [08:26] I used to use Arch. I have learned not to use a rolling-release distro with an offline machine :U [08:26] ubot2`: info apt-offline [08:26] Unit193: apt-offline (source: apt-offline): offline apt package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9 (maverick), package size 76 kB, installed size 448 kB [08:26] Unit193: man your on the ball today [08:27] mysteriousdarren: How so? [08:27] Fepps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline - this should help [08:27] Unit193: your all over and have so much knowledge [08:28] Unit193: I want to have your ether-baby [08:28] Na, the others are better [08:29] Thanks. [08:29] np [08:30] Unit193: your in your element at least [08:31] mysteriousdarren: Unit193 helped me more than anyone else on these forums ... :) [08:32] ubuntuforums? or in irc? [08:33] both [08:33] Lets take it to -team (While I transfer Firefly off the old HDD) [08:33] I said that wrong, of all the places I have been (Ubuntu or elsewhere), he has been the most help [08:35] well its nice to have that [12:02] Non-ports daily iso what is it?? I can see that there more package in there === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ === yofel_ is now known as yofel === bladernr_ is now known as bladernr_afk [16:51] hi [16:51] anyone here? [16:51] Yes. :-) [16:51] need help converting from pdf to avi or to flv [16:51] dsenator: lots of folks here... :) [16:51] thanks, i am new here [16:52] dsenator: you can export to flash from libreoffice [16:52] PDF is a document, avi is video, not sure about flv.. [16:52] yeah it works on windows [16:52] pdf to avi or flv [16:52] depending on what you are trying to end up with, making a "power point" might be an easy place to start [16:52] * Sidewinder1 Bows and turns it over to holstein :-) [16:52] Sidewinder1: hehe... [16:52] wen yu say flas, is that flash video [16:53] i agree you dont get pdf to avi [16:53] hmmm [16:53] you might get a presentation type of thing that displays images, and those images can be from pdf's [16:53] maybe to flv then [16:53] thats why i suggest making a presentation in libreoffice [16:54] ok, this is it, i need to upload some pdf to facebook, for some educational purposes [16:54] you can import the pdf's or convert them to images, such as jpg or png [16:54] but fb dont do pdf [16:54] dsenator: you can use dropbox.. ubuntuone... weblinks... imagebin [16:54] and yeah i dont want to do jpg convertion [16:54] you can make a presention [16:54] on fb? [16:54] you can make a video and upload it to youtube [16:54] and link that [16:55] hmm... [16:55] tell me about ubuntu 1 [16:55] its a sharing service (among other things) like dropbox is [16:56] you put a file in there, and share a link for someone to get it [16:56] so how do i use it for this purpose? [16:56] like you would on a webhost or whatever [16:56] dsenator: im not sure what the purpose is [16:56] if i wanted to share a file, i would use something like that... or another file sharing service [16:56] for the same fb purpose to those i tutor [16:57] dsenator: check out the video when you go through this refferal linke http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/ [16:57] I might just do what yu have suggested [16:57] very helpful [16:57] dsenator: take FB out of the equation [16:57] you just need to share a file... this is one way to do it [16:58] if you need a video, then make a video [16:58] otherwise, just share the pdf [16:58] ok then [16:59] dsenator, Just as an aside, don't write off #ubuntu in the future because you didn't get a quick answer. With over 1,400 folks in the channel, it moves kinda' fast and sometimes your question kinda' gets lost. :-) [16:59] yeah, its busy over there, and challenging to catch everything going on [17:00] thanks [17:00] Ubuntu is my choice of OS so no quuitting [17:01] i have another thing to inquire [17:02] dsenator: sure... just go for it.. if anyone knows, they will respond :) [17:02] I have tried to resize the windows partition on my HDD to become small and give more space to UBuntu [17:02] but when ii tried it did not resize but created an empty space which i cant touch or delete or resize [17:03] dsenator: you'll need to resize both, and thats not trivial... i would have all my data backed up, and i would do that froma live CD *not* while either os is running [17:03] yeah, I have a partition magic cd, not live cd [17:03] http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php for example, though you can use the installer disd you used [17:03] and gparted too [17:04] depends on how you have things partitioned.. you can run sudo fdisk -l and put that in ubuntupaste, or take a screenshot if you prefer... we can take a look and see whats going on [17:05] i shd do a screen shot then [17:05] now how to get to the partition screen [17:05] :) thanks for yur help guys [17:07] Sidewinder1: you hang in #ubuntu? ...its too loud for me... i for one appreciate all those who help in there, im just not fast enough [17:07] dsenator, Wait... [17:07] If your going to resize ab NTFS partition... [17:07] i just took a screen shot [17:08] Make sure that you defragment it at least twice, in win., first.. [17:09] Then if using 7, best to shrink it from the 7 OS; this wasn't so in XP (not sure about Vista) [17:10] vista had a fit too apparently Sidewinder1 [17:10] yes i use 7 [17:10] dual boot [17:10] But either way, defragmenting is a must; I have heard of all kindsa' horror stories from those that had never defraged and shrunk.. [17:11] now guys how do i give you the screen shot [17:11] can i drag and drop here? [17:11] http://imagebin.org/ [17:11] or ubuntu one? [17:12] sure.. dropbox... whatever [17:12] OK, 7, I suggest, as holstein said that you back-up everything, defrag. twice, then shrink the NTFS in wim7 [17:12] win7, even. [17:12] yeah, backup in those cases is crucial... you can really hose things... i did the first time i tried ;) [17:12] hmm [17:13] i bet it was the defrag trick though... since then i have only done it on fresh installs. install win, shrink, install linux. [17:14] dsenator, Also, this site contains a wealth of info. and how-to's, just STAY AWAY FROM WUBI! http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index [17:15] http://imagebin.org/191758 [17:15] holstein, Yes, when I said horror stories, they had to do with shrinking NTFS with no defrag; glad I did my homework first and did it twice. :-) [17:18] sidewinder, did yu say stay away from wubi? but it used to instal ubuntu into windows [17:18] dsenator: you have to resize the extended sda3 before the space is available to sda5 [17:19] I'm not particularly accomplished at fixing partitioning situations, as to how to add the 73 GBs back, to the NTFS on sda2,. Therefore, I'll turn it back over to holstein :D [17:19] you 'might' have to move the unallocate complteley to the right before you can add it, not sure on that [17:19] Or hobgoblin .. :-) [17:20] * Sidewinder1 Wonders if they look alike. [17:20] i cant even select it, so how do i move it [17:20] it could either way take rather a long time - if you've a laptop - mains power - never assume that it has hung in the middle of it's job - sometimes it looks like it [17:20] hobgoblin, not sure i get that resize sda3 stuff [17:21] dsenator: select sda3 - right click resize, then you'll be able to 'grab' the left edge of sda3 and move it to the left [17:21] that will add the unallocated space to the extended [17:22] any threats doing this? [17:22] dsenator: you are working with partitions - make sure you have backups - it probably will be fine - but I have had it go wrong in the past [17:23] oh - hang on - you can't do it if that screenie is of now [17:24] reboot into a livecd of some sort - install buntu/gparted/pmagic - whatever you have to hand [17:24] but from what isee now, sda5 is a child of sda3 [17:24] you have mounted partitions - can't work with mounted partitions [17:24] ok [17:25] dsenator: yes that is correct - simplistically sda5 is inside sda3 - you can't make sda5 bigger until sda3 is :) [17:25] quart into a pint pot and all that [17:26] if you use an ubuntu install livecd it is likely swap will be on - right click and swapoff then all partitions should be unmounted [17:26] and hi Sidewinder1 :) [17:27] ok, hob, I think i only have a partition margic cd [17:27] i only upgraded from karmic to oneric so no livecd [17:27] dsenator: right... boot the machine using that disc [17:27] ok? [17:27] k - boot with that and have a go - remember - don't assume it's hung, mains power, BACKUPS ;) [17:27] and find my way into the partitioon stuff [17:27] boot something live... not one of the OS's on the hard drive [17:28] yes roger that [17:28] and as I said it might mean you have to move the unallocated to the end of the already exisitng drive [17:28] but before yu stop, can yu educate me on the sda 1 to 6 here [17:28] it could well take hours ... [17:28] 2 secs [17:29] 5 and 6 are inside 3 [17:29] 1 and 2 are ntfs [17:29] personally - if the partition tool says it is going to take a long time I would seriously think about just making a new linux partition and mounting that at boot [17:31] I'd imagine that it will take a long time with 130Gb of data to move - what would you think holstein [17:31] ... [17:32] it wont be what we could call 'peppy' [17:32] i would think it could take hours [17:32] :) [17:32] yea - thanks - thought so myself [17:32] well [17:32] see what i got myself into [17:32] i wouldnt hit the button unless you are willing to wait for 3 or 4 hours just in case [17:33] dsenator: obviously it's your call - but you could effectively be using the space in about 5 minutes if you do it the other way :) [17:33] you dont want to stop it in the middle :/ [17:35] ok guys... i will consider this and decide on how and when to begin [17:35] k [17:35] how do i defrag in ubuntu pls [17:36] you don't [17:36] oh [17:36] I assume you mean the ntfs drives [17:37] well, not sure what i mean here [17:37] but i thot someone mentioned to defrad first before resize [17:37] maybe they were talking about in windows [17:37] dsenator: you should defrag the windows partitions from inside windows before resizing them [17:38] oh i c [17:38] oic - you've already got past that stage - you resized the ntfs one already [17:38] Sidewinder1 suggested doing that twice... defrag them 2 times [17:38] oh [17:38] ok [17:38] but can i try resize the ubuntu from inside windows too [17:38] have you booted into windows since you did the resize [17:39] dsenator: i would not [17:39] yes i have [17:39] ok, i wont too [17:39] i would all resizing from a live CD [17:39] dsenator: no - windows won't see the linux drives properly [17:39] though, Sidewinder1 suggested the tool in win7 for the windows parts [17:39] thanks for your patience holstein [17:39] dsenator: :) [17:40] dsenator: we'll get you sorted... we're glad to help! [17:40] i got to get to work here tho [17:40] will surely feed yu back sometime tomorrow, if i go ahead [17:40] what part of the world are you Holstein?, i am in UK [17:40] good luck dsenator [17:41] US... north caroling [17:41] US... north carolina* [17:41] yay [17:41] US [17:41] nice nice [17:41] dsenator: wher abouts - south coast near southampton I am [17:41] yu guys are just so kind from US [17:41] I'll be the unkind brit [17:41] hehe... im the guy that talks about you when you leave ;) [17:41] * holstein totally kidding... [17:42] dont get [17:42] oh [17:42] but yu in US right not UK [17:42] not me :) [17:42] i am in UK [17:42] so am I :) [17:42] oh, thot yu said north carolina [17:42] which is US [17:42] * holstein is in NC [17:42] holstein did [17:43] I'm near Southampton/Bournemouth [17:43] ok the names [17:43] starting with an ''h'' and followed by an ''o'' [17:43] :d [17:43] got it mixed up [17:44] hob, i am in London [17:44] aah k :) [17:44] but not from here as yu might figure out [17:44] anyway... I shd feed yu back tomorrow or so [17:44] yep - good luck if you do it [17:47] cheers all [17:47] i shd be out in few secs [18:49] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Preparing_for_Graphical_Environment says i need to sudo apt-get install xorg to prepare a minimal install for X. is that still true? [18:57] yes [18:58] how else would it work? [18:59] i dont know thats why i came to ubuntu beginner to ask [19:00] you had that still, so I assumed you had experience [19:00] but what are you going to build from your minimal installation? [19:01] i needed to use minimal as the cdrom is going bad and chokes on a full install. [19:01] minimal is going fine so far, base is done. [19:01] you can: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [19:02] to get normal ubuntu [19:02] or you can use kubuntu-desktop [19:02] xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop [19:02] thats what i hoped, lubuntu-desktop [19:02] my favourite <3 [19:06] sweet, the latest minimal asks if you want to install lubuntu minimal. === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [20:38] Hello. === M0hi is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [20:41] o/ [20:41] \o [20:41] Hey s-fox [20:42] Hello IAmNotThatGuy [20:42] do you need some help s-fox [20:42] lol [20:42] hmm [20:42] no? [20:42] excellent [20:42] :) [20:43] i can't recall the last time i requested help in here. [20:43] * IAmNotThatGuy ROFLs [20:43] I can [20:43] it was when this was the team channel and not the support one [20:43] That was some time ago. [20:44] wanted someone to be master to your padawan :p [20:44] some years ago [20:44] no idea who was daft enough to take that one [20:44] :) [20:44] In a round about way I asked [20:44] :) [20:45] :) [20:45] that was some time ago now ... [20:45] I miss the way it was. [20:46] as do I [23:18] Goodbye.