[00:15] <carolyn> hi my wireless keeps disconnecting any troubleshooting ideas?
[00:16] <carolyn> uses the ath9k_htc driver and is a tplink
[00:19] <cprofitt> carolyn: do you have any other computing devices?
[00:20] <carolyn> usb kb and mouse
[00:20] <carolyn> no other usb devices
[00:20] <cprofitt> I should have been more clear... I meant other computers, tablets or smart phones
[00:21] <carolyn> yes I have a couple of others
[00:21] <cprofitt> are those having any connectivity issues?
[00:21] <carolyn> no they're fine
[00:21] <cprofitt> ok...
[00:22] <cprofitt> to clarify the computer with an issue can connect for a period of time and then drops
[00:22] <carolyn> correct
[00:23] <cprofitt> what kind of security -- wpa / wep ?
[00:23] <carolyn> it's easy to fix by unplugging and replugging in the usb wireless card
[00:23] <cprofitt> oh, its USB....
[00:23] <cprofitt> that might explain it...
[00:23] <carolyn> its wpa2
[00:23] <carolyn> I think
[00:23] <cprofitt> laptop
[00:24] <carolyn> it's a PC with a wireless usb card
[00:24] <cprofitt> is it connected to a laptop or a desktop?
[00:24] <carolyn> desktop
[00:25] <cprofitt> can you get the model number of the tplink?
[00:25] <cprofitt> I am leaning towards this potentially being an issue with the USB port going to sleep
[00:25] <carolyn> ok
[00:26] <cprofitt> some usb ports will power down at times... and some wireless chips will power down as well
[00:26] <cprofitt> does this only happen after the screen saver goes on... or only after a certain amount of time or it is random?
[00:29] <cprofitt> carolyn: ?
[00:30] <cprofitt> Do you have a TL-WN821N model?
[01:48] <carolyn> sorry rprofitt I had a plumber asking me about an issue he's having trying to fix a plumbing issue
[01:49] <carolyn> meant cproffit
[01:49] <cprofitt> carolyn: no problem
[01:49] <cprofitt> I am still here
[01:49] <carolyn> ok thanks
[01:49] <cprofitt> Do you have a TL-WN821N model?
[01:50] <carolyn> I think its either the TL-WN821N or TL-WN822N I got it on Newegg I'll check my order
[01:50] <cprofitt> k
[01:51] <carolyn> k it's a TL-WN822N
[01:53] <cprofitt> k
[01:54] <cprofitt> that is good the other has known issues and I found no solutions
[01:55] <carolyn> ah that sounds good
[01:57] <carolyn> lsusb shows Device 004: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc.
[01:57] <cprofitt> yes, it has an Atheros chipset
[01:58] <cprofitt> can you set your AP to a static channel instead of having it be automatic?
[01:59] <carolyn> in iwconfig?
[01:59] <cprofitt> no, on your access point or router
[01:59] <carolyn> yes it's set to channel 11
[01:59] <cprofitt> try changing it to channel 6
[02:00] <carolyn> k but 6 overlaps the neighbors
[02:00] <cprofitt> the only issue I found with your card is the inability to use channel 12 and 13...
[02:00] <cprofitt> drop to channel 1 then
[02:00] <carolyn> k
[02:01] <cprofitt> every review of the device is glowing in regards to Ubuntu...
[02:02] <carolyn> ah good
[02:03] <cprofitt> silly cnn... they are showing a bar graph with Gingrich being ties with Romney, Santorum and Paul
[02:03] <cprofitt> Gingrich has 13% of the vote
[02:03] <cprofitt> while the others have 23%
[02:03] <cprofitt> I did not know 13 and 23 were the same
[02:03] <cprofitt> that will change a lot of math
[02:04] <carolyn> Not sure Gingrich will do well in Iowa though
[02:05] <carolyn> Bachman may make some strides
[02:06] <cprofitt> Bachman is 2nd to last with 6%
[02:07] <cprofitt> any change in wireless drops with the channel change?
[02:07] <carolyn> seems to be stable for now
[02:08] <cprofitt> the one artile I read talked about it not working well on channel 12 and 13
[02:08] <carolyn> I'll run insidder again on a windows laptop and see how things look
[02:08] <cprofitt> http://osdir.com/ml/ubuntu-bugs/2011-11/msg02912.html
[02:09] <cprofitt> let me know if you want a replacement for insidder on LInux
[02:09] <carolyn> ah thanks - I noticed I couldn't get the 822N to work at all in KUbuntu - so went with Ubuntu instead
[02:10] <cprofitt> ooh... there is a Linux version of insidder now
[02:10] <carolyn> I tried that but couldn't get it too work
[02:11] <carolyn> the gui comes up and then nothing happens
[02:11] <cprofitt> odd... I have not tried that though
[02:11] <cprofitt> I usually use my android app to scan -- because it is more portable
[02:11] <cprofitt> but I use kismet for Linux currently
[02:12] <carolyn> the website says that they know of the problem with Insidder on linux and will get to it
[02:12] <cprofitt> that is good... insidder is a great tool
[02:12] <cprofitt> iwscanner is another option, but I have not tried it yet
[02:12] <carolyn> ah I could get kismet running - but after upgrading it didn't work
[02:12] <carolyn> using the kismet ppas
[02:13] <cprofitt> you likely have to download and install from the site -- the one in the repos did not work for me ither
[02:13] <cprofitt> http://www.kismetwireless.net/download.shtml
[02:13] <cprofitt> its a .deb file so it was easy
[02:14] <cprofitt> they also have a repo for 11.x (11.04)
[02:14] <cprofitt> I just did the .deb though
[02:15] <carolyn> yes tried that but the only thing that worked was source=ath5k,wlan0,SSID,11
[02:15] <carolyn> on the old version, I think the newer version the default source for Atheros didn't work
[02:16] <cprofitt> odd... I have a different ath card... and older oine
[02:16] <cprofitt> one
[02:16] <carolyn> do you remember the source you used?
[02:16] <cprofitt> checking now -- have to boot up other laptop
[02:16] <carolyn> oh ok thanks
[02:20] <cprofitt> ath5k was my source
[02:20] <carolyn> I used Mac80211 as the source in the newer Kismet - but couldn't get that to work
[02:21] <cprofitt> my card is an older AR5212
[02:22] <cprofitt> its a cardbus taken from an old Dell AP
[02:22] <carolyn> ah
[02:22] <cprofitt> True Mobile 1170 2.4Ghz only
[02:24] <carolyn> I also tried aircrack - but couldn't get any packets
[02:24] <cprofitt> weird
[02:24] <cprofitt> do you have any local 2600 or linux groups near you?
[02:25] <carolyn> I haven't looked, I just loaded ubuntu
[02:25] <cprofitt> cool... if you are comfortable telling me where you are I might be able to point you to resources
[02:26] <carolyn> I've been using Centos, and RHEL for a few years
[02:26] <cprofitt> you seem very knowledgable
[02:26] <carolyn> and had an old PC with W2K on there, that I loaded Ubuntu on
[02:26] <carolyn> it seems like Ubuntu works great
[02:27] <cprofitt> I like Ubuntu and Fedora
[02:27] <cprofitt> and Arch
[02:27] <carolyn> have you tried the other flavors of Ubuntu? K & X?
[02:27] <cprofitt> but the Ubuntu community has just been stellar... the community really pushes the distro over the top for me
[02:27] <cprofitt> I tried lubuntu, xubuntu and kubuntu
[02:27] <cprofitt> I liked Gnome the best to be honest... even with Unity
[02:28] <carolyn> I'm amazed at all the apps available for Ubuntu
[02:28] <cprofitt> it is a large number
[02:29] <carolyn> Centos, and RHEL have about a tenth as many apps if that many
[02:29] <cprofitt> I am trying to get people to present on many of them at my local LUG in Rochester, but not many people want to present.
[02:29] <cprofitt> Fedora would likely have more apps than centos or rhel
[02:29] <carolyn> I'm near Washington D.C.
[02:29] <cprofitt> Cool... that is a nice area for IT... I would move there to get in to infosec, but my wife and family do not want to move
[02:30] <cprofitt> I am ex-military with an old clearance... and up here in Rochester that amounts to nothing
[02:31] <carolyn> they're always looking for someone with clearances here
[02:31] <cprofitt> that is what I have been told... had two people try to get me to move down there
[02:31] <cprofitt> the kids are 11, 5 and 4; my wife is a native of Rochester
[02:31] <cprofitt> so that just won't happen
[02:32] <carolyn> ah
[02:32] <cprofitt> I would love infosec, but family means more
[02:33] <cprofitt> I assume you are in IT based on the level of knowledge
[02:33] <carolyn> yes, I work with National Oceanic and Atmospheric Association in Silver Spring, MD
[02:34] <carolyn> It's a nice job
[02:34] <cprofitt> Nice. I use the webiste often to look at hurricanes, etc
[02:35] <carolyn> But infosec is a chore for me - a lot of documentation - I'd rather work on technical side
[02:35] <cprofitt> ah... yes... I would want to be on the technical side of infosec -- pentesting, etc... not the paperwork, or dog and pony side
[02:36] <cprofitt> I used to be in management... and while I would not mind a small team I would not want to lead 200+ people again
[02:36] <carolyn> yikes!
[02:37] <carolyn> that would drive me crazy
[02:37] <cprofitt> it did me.
[02:38] <cprofitt> what do you currently do for them? Sys Admin?
[02:38] <cprofitt> I currently am a sys admin -- manage AD, SAN, VMware, backups, etc
[02:39] <carolyn> I do a bit of everything - sys admin, networking, IT Security, GIS infrastructure...
[02:40] <cprofitt> we have another organization handle our networking... so I do not get to touch that... though I have a switch at home to poke at
[02:40] <cprofitt> I do handle our IT security... for what it amounts too
[02:40] <cprofitt> I am likely seen as paranoid by most
[02:40] <carolyn> I used to manage our databases, but fortunately have someone else doing that now
[02:41] <cprofitt> I doubt many other K-12 school districts have host based intrusion detection setup.
[02:41] <cprofitt> ah... yes, I do SQL servers and DBs as well...
[02:41] <carolyn> no you have to be
[02:41] <cprofitt> I was the 'original' technician in the department and it has grown around me
[02:41] <carolyn> I tell folks that if you leave a system unsecured for about 3 hours it's usually owned
[02:42] <carolyn> I used to run a honeypot on a VAX VMS system, and would show folks the logs
[02:42] <cprofitt> my boss actually had someone open our AD server up for ldap lookups... I want to build an LDS instance instead... I am seen as paranoid
[02:42] <cprofitt> yeah,... honey pots are nice... I put up a virtual one to play with
[02:43] <cprofitt> the biggest thing I stress to folks is that we have the enemy inside our network... (they will not setup proper separation between student and server vlans)
[02:44] <carolyn> not sure why not - that would be easy to do
[02:44] <cprofitt> yes, it would be...
[02:44] <cprofitt> but the answer I got was... no other district does it... nothing bad has happened yet... sounds like you are paranoid
[02:44] <cprofitt> this after a visit from the secret service...
[02:45] <carolyn> sounds like a Dilbert comic
[02:45] <cprofitt> ofcourse... they did not let me report the incident that brought the secret service in for two months
[02:45] <cprofitt> then when the agent asked me why I did not report it right away I just looked at my supervisors and waited for them to answer
[02:46] <carolyn> hmmmm
[02:46] <cprofitt> it is kinda like a Dilbert cartoon...
[02:46] <cprofitt> the head of IT is an ex-librarian with a school administrators degree
[02:46] <cprofitt> its what happens in most schools
[02:47] <carolyn> well sounds like they're fortunate to have you
[02:47] <cprofitt> he listens to me more than most other administrators in other school districts
[02:47] <cprofitt> I think so... but it is not fun always trying to swim upstream
[02:47] <cprofitt> I suspect it would be the same in most places though
[02:51] <carolyn> I remember reading about one school system that had the webcam on the laptop monitor their students
[02:51] <carolyn> when they took the laptops home
[02:53] <carolyn> Well I'm off thanks for your help cprofitt!
[02:54] <carolyn> it was good meeting you
[04:07] <Ford_P> Need some help...
[04:08] <Ford_P> When I type lspci -v
[04:08] <Ford_P> need to know how to identify my chipset.
[04:09] <cprofitt> which chipset?
[04:10] <cprofitt> video, sounds, etc?
[04:10] <cprofitt> motherboard?
[04:12] <cprofitt> Ford_P: ?
[04:12] <Ford_P> sorry
[04:13] <Ford_P> yes
[04:13] <Ford_P> sound card
[04:13] <cprofitt> k
[04:13] <Ford_P> so i get output, but don't know how to id the chipset
[04:13] <Ford_P> Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
[04:13] <cprofitt> lspci | grep Audio should work
[04:14] <Ford_P> ok one second
[04:14] <Ford_P> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
[04:15] <cprofitt> so you have a ICH4 chipset using AC'97
[04:15] <Ford_P> so when I type in sudo modprobe snd-
[04:15] <Ford_P> I need to type ICH4?
[04:15] <cprofitt> no... looking that up now
[04:15] <Ford_P> thank you
[04:18] <cprofitt> what happens when you run alsamixer?
[04:18] <Ford_P> how do I run alsamixer?
[04:18] <cprofitt> I am also curious if you are on a thinkpad laptop
[04:18] <cprofitt> terminal and type:
[04:18] <cprofitt> alsamixer
[04:18] <Ford_P> no I'm on an Averatec laptop. It's probably about 10 years old.
[04:19] <Ford_P> ok I'm in Alsamixer
[04:19] <Ford_P> it is displaying to me.
[04:19] <cprofitt> do all the channel look like they are turned up?
[04:20] <Ford_P> no they look turned off
[04:20] <cprofitt> try turning them up...
[04:20] <cprofitt> use arrow keys to go left and right -- and up to turn them up
[04:21] <cprofitt> the m key mutes and un-mutes
[04:21] <Ford_P> had no idea that even existed
[04:22] <Unit193> MM means the channel is muted, and OO is alive
[04:22] <cprofitt> yep
[04:23] <Ford_P> nope
[04:23] <Ford_P> doesn't work
[04:23] <Ford_P> I've selected each column and they are all turned on high
[04:23] <cprofitt> ok... at the top left of the alsamixer screen...
[04:23] <Ford_P> each section has been unmuted.
[04:23] <cprofitt> what card and chipset does it report?
[04:24] <Ford_P> Card = Intel 82801DB-ICH4
[04:24] <Ford_P> Chipset = Realtek ALC202 rev 0
[04:24] <cprofitt> does your laptop have a 'mute button'?
[04:25] <Ford_P> no
[04:27] <Ford_P> if we could go back to the alsamixer for a second
[04:27] <cprofitt> sure
[04:27] <Ford_P> at the bottom of each section should it indicate the sound level? Currently it's displaying 00 in green for each section
[04:28] <cprofitt> well... there is the 00 or MM in a box
[04:28] <Ford_P> 00
[04:28] <cprofitt> then below that it will show a ##<>##
[04:28] <cprofitt> the sound level is actually the ##<>##
[04:28] <Ford_P> yes so Master = 100<>100
[04:28] <cprofitt> yep
[04:28] <Ford_P> actually they all are 100<>100
[04:29] <Ford_P> damn
[04:29] <Ford_P> perhaps the sound card died?
[04:30] <cprofitt> ah... do you have an option for external amplifier?
[04:30] <Ford_P> not to my knowledge.
[04:30] <Ford_P> no
[04:31] <cprofitt> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+question/179635
[04:31] <Ford_P> should I try to reinstall the driver?
[04:31] <cprofitt> that was the closest I could find
[04:31] <cprofitt> no, with Linux you should not have to reinstall
[04:32] <Ford_P> Thank you for all your help.
[04:32] <Ford_P> I appreciate it.
[04:32] <cprofitt> have you tried posting your question on askubuntu.com?
[04:32] <Ford_P> not yet
[04:32] <cprofitt> it would not be immediate help, but it is an excellent resource for issues like this
[04:32] <Ford_P> I just got home from work and was starting to dig into the issue
[04:33] <Ford_P> it's worth a shot.
[04:33] <Ford_P> Thanks again
[04:33] <cprofitt> http://askubuntu.com/questions/5325/why-do-i-have-no-sound-anymore
[04:34] <cprofitt> that one is similar to yours... but that person had messed his hardware settings... not sure if in bios or if he had a physical mute button
[04:34] <cprofitt> sorry I could not help more... I hope you find a solution for it.
[04:35] <cprofitt> I gotta run and get some sleep.
[04:35] <Ford_P> have a good night
[04:35] <cprofitt> you too
[05:39] <nixnine> anyone know what this means or how to fix it "Could not update ICEauthority file/home/test/.ICEauthority"
[05:40] <holstein> you could try http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1021106
[05:40] <holstein> nixnine: ^
[05:46] <nixnine> that is several years old. think it will work?
[05:47] <holstein> nixnine: it literally wont hurt to own something in your home directory... that could be the issue.. permissions
[07:08] <sanbar> boobear: o/
[07:08] <boobear> heyy
[07:08] <sanbar> 'sup?
[07:08] <boobear> whats up
[07:09] <sanbar> hehe ... just chillin, right now - been coding and stuff
[07:09] <boobear> wow lucky you me beginner lol
[07:09] <sanbar> boobear: beginner at what?  Coding?
[07:10] <boobear> yup and ubuntu just decided to give it a try
[07:10] <sanbar> boobear: nice, it is a lot of fun - I have been coding for some time, but am really a beginner at Unbuntu/Linux
[07:11] <boobear> ;p
[07:11] <sanbar> Ubuntu*
[07:11] <sanbar> boobear: What languages do you want to try?
[07:12] <boobear> i want to start with c++
[07:12] <sanbar> boobear: I think that is a good place to start, but you need the right materials to learn from
[07:12] <boobear> yup
[07:13] <sanbar> boobear: Do you have a first project in mind?
[07:14] <boobear> lol that would be day dreaming i can have not even started
[07:14] <boobear> have
[07:14] <sanbar> boobear: YOu should check out ##c++
[07:14] <sanbar> on freenode
[07:15] <boobear> brb
[07:19] <boobear> @sanbar i will add you to watched nicks and ttyl have to go off now
[07:19] <sanbar> ok, later
[08:21] <Fepps> Hallo
[08:22] <sanbar> Fepps: Hallo
[08:22] <Fepps> Hiya.
[08:23] <sanbar> Fepps: What's going on?
[08:23] <Fepps> I got a new laptop and am choosing a new distro.  Ideally, I want one that's easy to do offline updating.  You got any ideas?
[08:23] <sanbar> Ubuntu?
[08:24] <sanbar> Not sure ...
[08:24] <Fepps> :P
[08:25] <mysteriousdarren> Lubuntu?
[08:25] <Unit193> !offline
[08:25] <ubot2`> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ - See also !APTonCD
[08:26] <Unit193> !info apt-offline
[08:26] <Fepps> I used to use Arch.  I have learned not to use a rolling-release distro with an offline machine :U
[08:26] <Unit193> ubot2`: info apt-offline
[08:26] <ubot2`> Unit193: apt-offline (source: apt-offline): offline apt package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.9 (maverick), package size 76 kB, installed size 448 kB
[08:26] <mysteriousdarren> Unit193: man your on the ball today
[08:27] <Unit193> mysteriousdarren: How so?
[08:27] <sanbar> Fepps:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGet/Offline - this should help
[08:27] <mysteriousdarren> Unit193: your all over and have so much knowledge
[08:28] <sanbar> Unit193: I want to have your ether-baby
[08:28] <Unit193> Na, the others are better
[08:29] <Fepps> Thanks.
[08:29] <sanbar> np
[08:30] <mysteriousdarren> Unit193: your in your element at least
[08:31] <sanbar> mysteriousdarren: Unit193 helped me more than anyone else on these forums ... :)
[08:32] <mysteriousdarren> ubuntuforums? or in irc?
[08:33] <sanbar> both
[08:33] <Unit193> Lets take it to -team (While I transfer Firefly off the old HDD)
[08:33] <sanbar> I said that wrong, of all the places I have been (Ubuntu or elsewhere), he has been the most help
[08:35] <mysteriousdarren> well its nice to have that
[12:02] <thor_> Non-ports daily iso what is it?? I can see that there more package in there
[16:51] <dsenator> hi
[16:51] <dsenator> anyone here?
[16:51] <Sidewinder1> Yes. :-)
[16:51] <dsenator> need help converting from pdf to avi or to flv
[16:51] <holstein> dsenator: lots of folks here... :)
[16:51] <dsenator> thanks, i am new here
[16:52] <holstein> dsenator: you can export to flash from libreoffice
[16:52] <Sidewinder1> PDF is a document, avi is video, not sure about flv..
[16:52] <dsenator> yeah it works on windows
[16:52] <dsenator> pdf to avi or flv
[16:52] <holstein> depending on what you are trying to end up with, making a "power point" might be an easy place to start
[16:52]  * Sidewinder1 Bows and turns it over to holstein :-)
[16:52] <holstein> Sidewinder1: hehe...
[16:52] <dsenator> wen  yu say flas, is that flash video
[16:53] <holstein> i agree you dont get pdf to avi
[16:53] <dsenator> hmmm
[16:53] <holstein> you might get a presentation type of thing that displays images, and those images can be from pdf's
[16:53] <dsenator> maybe to flv then
[16:53] <holstein> thats why i suggest making a presentation in libreoffice
[16:54] <dsenator> ok, this is it, i need to upload some pdf to facebook, for some educational purposes
[16:54] <holstein> you can import the pdf's or convert them to images, such as jpg or png
[16:54] <dsenator> but fb dont do pdf
[16:54] <holstein> dsenator: you can use dropbox.. ubuntuone... weblinks... imagebin
[16:54] <dsenator> and yeah i dont want to do jpg convertion
[16:54] <holstein> you can make a presention
[16:54] <dsenator> on fb?
[16:54] <holstein> you can make a video and upload it to youtube
[16:54] <holstein> and link that
[16:55] <dsenator> hmm...
[16:55] <dsenator> tell me about ubuntu 1
[16:55] <holstein> its a sharing service (among other things) like dropbox is
[16:56] <holstein> you put a file in there, and share a link for someone to get it
[16:56] <dsenator> so how do i use it for this purpose?
[16:56] <holstein> like you would on a webhost or whatever
[16:56] <holstein> dsenator: im not sure what the purpose is
[16:56] <holstein> if i wanted to share a file, i would use something like that... or another file sharing service
[16:56] <dsenator> for the same fb purpose to those i tutor
[16:57] <holstein> dsenator: check out the video when you go through this refferal linke http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/
[16:57] <dsenator> I might just do what yu have suggested
[16:57] <dsenator> very helpful
[16:57] <holstein> dsenator: take FB out of the equation
[16:57] <holstein> you just need to share a file... this is one way to do it
[16:58] <holstein> if you need a video, then make a video
[16:58] <holstein> otherwise, just share the pdf
[16:58] <dsenator> ok then
[16:59] <Sidewinder1> dsenator, Just as an aside, don't write off #ubuntu in the future because you didn't get a quick answer. With over 1,400 folks in the channel, it moves kinda' fast and sometimes your question kinda' gets lost. :-)
[16:59] <holstein> yeah, its busy over there, and challenging to catch everything going on
[17:00] <dsenator> thanks
[17:00] <dsenator> Ubuntu is my choice of OS so no quuitting
[17:01] <dsenator> i have another thing to inquire
[17:02] <holstein> dsenator: sure... just go for it.. if anyone knows, they will respond :)
[17:02] <dsenator> I have tried to resize the windows partition on my HDD to become small and give more space to UBuntu
[17:02] <dsenator> but when ii tried it did not resize but created an empty space which i cant touch or delete or resize
[17:03] <holstein> dsenator: you'll need to resize both, and thats not trivial... i would have all my data backed up, and i would do that froma live CD *not* while either os is running
[17:03] <dsenator> yeah, I have a partition magic cd, not live cd
[17:03] <holstein> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php for example, though you can use the installer disd you used
[17:03] <dsenator> and gparted too
[17:04] <holstein> depends on how you have things partitioned.. you can run sudo fdisk -l and put that in ubuntupaste, or take a screenshot if you prefer... we can take a look and see whats going on
[17:05] <dsenator> i shd do a screen shot then
[17:05] <dsenator> now how to get to the partition screen
[17:05] <dsenator> :) thanks for yur help guys
[17:07] <holstein> Sidewinder1: you hang in #ubuntu? ...its too loud for me... i for one appreciate all those who help in there, im just not fast enough
[17:07] <Sidewinder1> dsenator, Wait...
[17:07] <Sidewinder1> If your going to resize ab NTFS partition...
[17:07] <dsenator> i just took a screen shot
[17:08] <Sidewinder1> Make sure that you defragment it at least twice, in win., first..
[17:09] <Sidewinder1> Then if using 7, best to shrink it from the 7 OS; this wasn't so in XP (not sure about Vista)
[17:10] <hobgoblin> vista had a fit too apparently Sidewinder1
[17:10] <dsenator> yes i use 7
[17:10] <dsenator> dual boot
[17:10] <Sidewinder1> But either way, defragmenting is a must; I have heard of all kindsa' horror stories from those that had never defraged and shrunk..
[17:11] <dsenator> now guys how do i give you the screen shot
[17:11] <dsenator> can i drag and drop here?
[17:11] <holstein> http://imagebin.org/
[17:11] <dsenator> or ubuntu one?
[17:12] <holstein> sure.. dropbox... whatever
[17:12] <Sidewinder1> OK, 7, I suggest, as holstein said that you back-up everything, defrag. twice, then shrink the NTFS in wim7
[17:12] <Sidewinder1> win7, even.
[17:12] <holstein> yeah, backup in those cases is crucial... you can really hose things... i did the first time i tried ;)
[17:12] <dsenator> hmm
[17:13] <holstein> i bet it was the defrag trick though... since then i have only done it on fresh installs. install win, shrink, install linux.
[17:14] <Sidewinder1> dsenator, Also, this site contains a wealth of info. and how-to's, just STAY AWAY FROM WUBI!  http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index
[17:15] <dsenator> http://imagebin.org/191758
[17:15] <Sidewinder1> holstein, Yes, when I said horror stories, they had to do with shrinking NTFS with no defrag; glad I did my homework first and did it twice. :-)
[17:18] <dsenator> sidewinder, did yu say stay away from wubi? but it used to instal ubuntu into windows
[17:18] <hobgoblin> dsenator: you have to resize the extended sda3 before the space is available to sda5
[17:19] <Sidewinder1> I'm not particularly accomplished at fixing partitioning situations, as to how to add the 73 GBs back, to the NTFS on sda2,. Therefore, I'll turn it back over to holstein :D
[17:19] <hobgoblin> you 'might' have to move the unallocate complteley to the right before you can add it, not sure on that
[17:19] <Sidewinder1> Or hobgoblin .. :-)
[17:20]  * Sidewinder1 Wonders if they look alike.
[17:20] <dsenator> i cant even select it, so how do i move it
[17:20] <hobgoblin> it could either way take rather a long time - if you've a laptop - mains power - never assume that it has hung in the middle of it's job - sometimes it looks like it
[17:20] <dsenator> hobgoblin, not sure i get that resize sda3 stuff
[17:21] <hobgoblin> dsenator: select sda3 - right click resize, then you'll be able to 'grab' the left edge of sda3 and move it to the left
[17:21] <hobgoblin> that will add the unallocated space to the extended
[17:22] <dsenator> any threats doing this?
[17:22] <hobgoblin> dsenator: you are working with partitions - make sure you have backups - it probably will be fine - but I have had it go wrong in the past
[17:23] <hobgoblin> oh - hang on  - you can't do it if that screenie is of now
[17:24] <hobgoblin> reboot into a livecd of some sort - install buntu/gparted/pmagic - whatever you have to hand
[17:24] <dsenator> but from what isee now, sda5 is a child of sda3
[17:24] <hobgoblin> you have mounted partitions - can't work with mounted partitions
[17:24] <dsenator> ok
[17:25] <hobgoblin> dsenator: yes that is correct - simplistically sda5 is inside sda3 - you can't make sda5 bigger until sda3 is :)
[17:25] <hobgoblin> quart into a pint pot and all that
[17:26] <hobgoblin> if you use an ubuntu install livecd it is likely swap will be on - right click and swapoff then all partitions should be unmounted
[17:26] <hobgoblin> and hi Sidewinder1 :)
[17:27] <dsenator> ok, hob, I think i only have a partition margic cd
[17:27] <dsenator> i only upgraded from karmic to oneric so no livecd
[17:27] <holstein> dsenator: right... boot the machine using that disc
[17:27] <dsenator> ok?
[17:27] <hobgoblin> k - boot with that and have a go - remember - don't assume it's hung, mains power, BACKUPS ;)
[17:27] <dsenator> and find my way into the partitioon stuff
[17:27] <holstein> boot something live... not one of the OS's on the hard drive
[17:28] <dsenator> yes roger that
[17:28] <hobgoblin> and as I said it might mean you have to move the unallocated to the end of the already exisitng drive
[17:28] <dsenator> but before yu stop, can yu educate me on the sda 1 to 6 here
[17:28] <hobgoblin> it could well take hours ...
[17:28] <hobgoblin> 2 secs
[17:29] <holstein> 5 and 6 are inside 3
[17:29] <holstein> 1 and 2 are ntfs
[17:29] <hobgoblin> personally - if the partition tool says it is going to take a long time I would seriously think about just making a new linux partition and mounting that at boot
[17:31] <hobgoblin> I'd imagine that it will take a long time with 130Gb of data to move - what would you think holstein
[17:31] <dsenator> ...
[17:32] <holstein> it wont be what we could call 'peppy'
[17:32] <holstein> i would think it could take hours
[17:32] <hobgoblin> :)
[17:32] <hobgoblin> yea - thanks - thought so myself
[17:32] <dsenator> well
[17:32] <dsenator> see what i got myself into
[17:32] <holstein> i wouldnt hit the button unless you are willing to wait for 3 or 4 hours just in case
[17:33] <hobgoblin> dsenator: obviously it's your call - but you could effectively be using the space in about 5 minutes if you do it the other way :)
[17:33] <holstein> you dont want to stop it in the middle :/
[17:35] <dsenator> ok guys... i will consider this and decide on how and when to begin
[17:35] <hobgoblin> k
[17:35] <dsenator> how do i defrag in ubuntu pls
[17:36] <hobgoblin> you don't
[17:36] <dsenator> oh
[17:36] <hobgoblin> I assume you mean the ntfs drives
[17:37] <dsenator> well, not sure what i mean here
[17:37] <dsenator> but i thot someone mentioned to defrad first before resize
[17:37] <dsenator> maybe they were talking about in windows
[17:37] <holstein> dsenator: you should defrag the windows partitions from inside windows before resizing them
[17:38] <dsenator> oh i c
[17:38] <hobgoblin> oic - you've already got past that stage - you resized the ntfs one already
[17:38] <holstein> Sidewinder1 suggested doing that twice... defrag them 2 times
[17:38] <dsenator> oh
[17:38] <dsenator> ok
[17:38] <dsenator> but can i try resize the ubuntu from inside windows too
[17:38] <hobgoblin> have you booted into windows since you did the resize
[17:39] <holstein> dsenator: i would not
[17:39] <dsenator> yes i have
[17:39] <dsenator> ok, i wont too
[17:39] <holstein> i would all resizing from a live CD
[17:39] <hobgoblin> dsenator: no - windows won't see the linux drives properly
[17:39] <holstein> though, Sidewinder1 suggested the tool in win7 for the windows parts
[17:39] <dsenator> thanks for your patience holstein
[17:39] <holstein> dsenator: :)
[17:40] <holstein> dsenator: we'll get you sorted... we're glad to help!
[17:40] <dsenator> i got to get to work here tho
[17:40] <dsenator> will surely feed yu back sometime tomorrow, if i go ahead
[17:40] <dsenator> what part of the world are you Holstein?, i am in UK
[17:40] <hobgoblin> good luck dsenator
[17:41] <holstein> US... north caroling
[17:41] <holstein> US... north carolina*
[17:41] <dsenator> yay
[17:41] <dsenator> US
[17:41] <dsenator> nice nice
[17:41] <hobgoblin> dsenator: wher abouts - south coast near southampton I am
[17:41] <dsenator> yu guys are just so kind from US
[17:41] <hobgoblin> I'll be the unkind brit
[17:41] <holstein> hehe... im the guy that talks about you when you leave ;)
[17:41]  * holstein totally kidding...
[17:42] <dsenator> dont get
[17:42] <dsenator> oh
[17:42] <dsenator> but yu in US right not UK
[17:42] <hobgoblin> not me :)
[17:42] <dsenator> i am in UK
[17:42] <hobgoblin> so am I :)
[17:42] <dsenator> oh, thot yu said north carolina
[17:42] <dsenator> which is US
[17:42]  * holstein is in NC
[17:42] <hobgoblin> holstein did
[17:43] <hobgoblin> I'm near Southampton/Bournemouth
[17:43] <dsenator> ok the names
[17:43] <dsenator> starting with an ''h'' and followed by an ''o''
[17:43] <hobgoblin> :d
[17:43] <dsenator> got it mixed up
[17:44] <dsenator> hob, i am in London
[17:44] <hobgoblin> aah k :)
[17:44] <dsenator> but not from here as yu might figure out
[17:44] <dsenator> anyway... I shd feed yu back tomorrow or so
[17:44] <hobgoblin> yep - good luck if you do it
[17:47] <dsenator> cheers all
[17:47] <dsenator> i shd be out in few secs
[18:49] <sluckxz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Preparing_for_Graphical_Environment says i need to sudo apt-get install xorg to prepare a minimal install for X.  is that still true?
[18:57] <bioterror> yes
[18:58] <bioterror> how else would it work?
[18:59] <sluckxz> i dont know thats why i came to ubuntu beginner to ask
[19:00] <bioterror> you had that still, so I assumed you had experience
[19:00] <bioterror> but what are you going to build from your minimal installation?
[19:01] <sluckxz> i needed to use minimal as the cdrom is going bad and chokes on a full install.
[19:01] <sluckxz> minimal is going fine so far,  base is done.
[19:01] <bioterror> you can: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[19:02] <bioterror> to get normal ubuntu
[19:02] <bioterror> or you can use kubuntu-desktop
[19:02] <bioterror> xubuntu-desktop or lubuntu-desktop
[19:02] <sluckxz> thats what i hoped, lubuntu-desktop
[19:02] <bioterror> my favourite <3
[19:06] <sluckxz> sweet,  the latest minimal asks if you want to install lubuntu minimal.
[20:38] <s-fox> Hello.
[20:41] <hobgoblin> o/
[20:41] <s-fox> \o
[20:41] <IAmNotThatGuy> Hey s-fox
[20:42] <s-fox> Hello IAmNotThatGuy
[20:42] <hobgoblin> do you need some help s-fox
[20:42] <IAmNotThatGuy> lol
[20:42] <s-fox> hmm
[20:42] <s-fox> no?
[20:42] <hobgoblin> excellent
[20:42] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:43] <s-fox> i can't recall the last time i requested help in here.
[20:43]  * IAmNotThatGuy ROFLs
[20:43] <hobgoblin> I can
[20:43] <hobgoblin> it was when this was the team channel and not the support one
[20:43] <s-fox> That was some time ago.
[20:44] <hobgoblin> wanted someone to be master to your padawan :p
[20:44] <IAmNotThatGuy> some years ago
[20:44] <hobgoblin> no idea who was daft enough to take that one
[20:44] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:44] <s-fox> In a round about way I asked
[20:44] <s-fox> :)
[20:45] <hobgoblin> :)
[20:45] <hobgoblin> that was some time ago now ...
[20:45] <s-fox> I miss the way it was.
[20:46] <hobgoblin> as do I
[23:18] <s-fox> Goodbye.