[01:10] <Semperfi30> Hello I am trying to find out where all the boot files are located in ubuntu 11.10
[01:16] <hamitron> boot files? /boot is a good place to start looking
[03:24] <Supermanintights> anyone find it jerky when moving windows around?
[03:24] <Supermanintights> like the computer starts lagging a tad?
[08:08] <daubers> Morning
[08:09] <DJones> Morning daubers
[08:12] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:23]  * daubers spends a day in django-land
[08:52] <danfish> morning
[08:53] <danfish> daubers: legoland sounds more fun ;)
[08:54] <daubers> danfish: Less productive though
[08:59] <popey> Morning.
[08:59] <MooDoo> morninh
[08:59] <christel> good moaning!
[09:01] <MooDoo> moaning christel
[09:02] <christel> heey MooDoo :D
[09:03] <MooDoo> :D
[09:08] <DJones> urgh, first day back in work, at least its only a 2 day week
[09:08] <MooDoo> DJones: sucks doesn't it
[09:09] <christel> i parsed 2 day as 2 hour
[09:09] <christel> i wish it was a 2 hour week
[09:11] <MooDoo> i wish i didn't have to work at all and could go photograph stuff
[09:14] <christel> :)
[09:16] <oimon> i have a blanket wrapped around me...at work :-\
[09:17] <oimon> not really suitable working conditions
[09:17] <christel> auchies, that sounds rather cold
[09:21] <oimon> rather inclement conditions...
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> oimon: health, safety?
[09:48] <oimon> MartijnVdS: public sector: tick the boxes but actually don't care when there are real issues
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> oimon: until Something Bad©® happens
[09:53] <oimon> people generally don't do their work properly, then go off sick for prolonged periods
[09:57] <oimon> i'm still looking for a decent MS project type app for linux - anyone recommend one?
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> oimon: org-mode?
[09:58] <oimon> to produce gantt charts
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> http://orgmode.org/worg/code/latex/gantt.sty :)
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: If you can still get it try openproj (Java cross platform), or the recent(ish) fork of dotproject - web2project (php, collaborative).
[09:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> openproj does (did) open .msp files too)
[09:59] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer: i'm trialling planner, openproj and ganttproject (latter 2 are java cross patform)
[10:00] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:00] <oimon> but i haven't come across anyone who's used them properly in office environment
[10:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: OpenERP has a project management module too.
[10:01] <AlanBell> anyone know what one should install on windows these days to do a reverse VNC connection to a computer running a grown up operating system?
[10:01] <AlanBell> so on windows I want the user to be able to throw their screen to me so I can control it
[10:01] <gord> does the built in screen sharing thing not run over vnc protocol?
[10:02] <oimon> also i thought realvnc includes the option to run vnc-reverse built into it
[10:02] <AlanBell> realvnc can do it, just not sure if that is the state of the art, or tightvnc?
[10:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: I installed an app called TeamViewer to do that to a customer's windows desktop. Not quite what you want but it worked from here.
[10:03] <AlanBell> isn't that tied to a website or something?
[10:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think so yes.
[10:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's free though, but not Free(tm)
[10:07] <DJones> Isn't there also logmein which is tied to a website, I think, I think basic versions are free (ish) but multiple machines can cost
[10:08] <oimon> skype also does screen sharing and hence gets through firewealls, however unsure if it allows "control"
[10:09] <DJones> Although logmein does have a bit of a bad reputation because it seems to have been cloned and used by the antivirus scammers
[10:10] <AlanBell> realvnc does the job, going with that now
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Windows VNC? TightVNC?
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: RealVNC costs ££
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> TightVNC is Free as in GPL
[10:10] <AlanBell> no, realvnc is GPL
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: oh there's a "Free Edition" with fewer features
[10:11] <AlanBell> only want one feature
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but it doesn't work on Win7
[10:11] <AlanBell> have just installed it on XP
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: OK, well, for future reference :) RealVNC + Win7 = £
[10:11] <AlanBell> good to know
[10:12] <AlanBell> can tightvnc do the "add client" thing and connect to a listening viewer?
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I don't know. Never needed that feature myself
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> ah: it works in WinXP but not Win7: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3341012&group_id=14067&atid=364067
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> according to that bug
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> http://www.tightvnc.com/winst.php -> search for "reverse connections"
[10:14] <AlanBell> doesn't work from a script according to that bug, but looks like the gui version will do it
[10:37] <danfish> AlanBell: try gitso - http://code.google.com/p/gitso/
[10:37] <danfish> oops, but late :)
[10:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:00]  * daubers will be laser cutting his nano case this evening \o/
[11:01] <oimon> daubers: putting a tattoo on it?
[11:01] <davmor2> Morning Funksters
[11:01] <oimon> tattooing your tech is almost a big decision as putting an indelible ink on your body
[11:02] <Laney> back in the office, where I forgot that tea tastes weird
[11:02] <davmor2> czajkowski: Prod, proddity, prod, prod, prod, proddity prod
[11:02] <Laney> stupid water heater thing
[11:02] <Laney> they got a posh new one but nobody ever maintains it
[11:03] <davmor2> Laney: new job for you then
[11:03] <Laney> soon :P
[11:03] <Laney> thesis to write first
[11:04] <daubers> oimon: Meant nanode :)
[11:04] <oimon> oh lol
[11:04] <oimon> and cutting not etching
[11:04] <daubers> yup
[11:04] <daubers> took me forever to just design an enclosure. 3d cad stuff is hard :(
[11:05] <oimon> this laser etching made me laugh http://i.imgur.com/uIx0n.jpg
[11:06] <oimon> a bit overkill methinks
[11:06] <danfish> daubers: what are you using for the case?
[11:06] <daubers> danfish: 5mm ply (as it's cheap and readily available)
[11:07] <daubers> Once I have the design down with that, might try acrylic
[11:09] <danfish> ply looks good with lasery burny marks - like here http://openenergymonitor.org/emon/emonglcd
[11:10] <daubers> yeah, shall have to see how it comes out :)
[11:34] <czajkowski> davmor2: good morning
[11:41] <davmor2> czajkowski: proddity, prod, tickle, how's life?
[11:42] <czajkowski> good thanks and you ?
[11:45]  * christel tickles czajkowski 
[11:45] <czajkowski> hello darling
[11:45] <christel> hey! how are tricks?
[11:45] <czajkowski> sort out the golfing pressie ?
[11:45] <christel> aye!
[11:46] <christel> :d
[11:46] <christel> er :D
[11:56] <DJones> czajkowski: Is it Munster you support?
[11:57] <czajkowski> DJones: you really need to ask that question?
[11:57] <czajkowski> clearly I need to up the ranting :)
[11:57] <oimon>  /ignore rugby
[11:58] <DJones> Couldn't remember if it was or not, just noticed a tweet about Paul O'Connell signing a new contract till the end of 2013/14
[11:58] <oimon> Microsoft has launched an attack on beleaguered electronics retailer Comet -- stating that the British chain pirated  94,000 copies of Vista and XP recovery discs. Comet, which was recently  sold off for £2 ($3), allegedly produced the copies at a factory in  Hampshire and bundled them with PCs sold at its stores. There's been no  official response from Comet yet, but we can't imagine Microsoft would  throw this sort of statement around lightly. 
[11:58] <czajkowski> DJones: well done talk about MS instead of something other folks enjoy talking about
[11:58] <czajkowski> DJones: aye and he's the new .ie captain for the 6 nations
[11:58] <czajkowski> oimon: well done talk about MS instead of something other folks enjoy
[11:59] <christel> haha
[11:59] <czajkowski> lets copy n paste something about Ms instead
[11:59] <occupy64k> These things would be an opportunity for some Linux PR
[11:59] <oimon> it's related to linux
[12:00] <occupy64k> Someone should contact Comet and suggest that they ship Linux instead
[12:00] <occupy64k> Redhat, Canonical, etc
[12:00] <zleap> occupy64k, i agree
[12:01] <zleap> of course one of these companies should jump on this and work out a partnership with comet to supply linux pre-installed
[12:02] <occupy64k> Treat these scandals as business opportunities for Linux
[12:02] <zleap> well thus far no reply to my suggestion that the local charity in torquay promote open source software,  how do I construct an e-mail making things simple enoujgh but no so simple it implies I think the person at the other end is a illiterate idiot
[12:03] <oimon> it's quite an allegation against comet though
[12:03] <KrisDouglas> Hello, I'm having a problem with my network config in Ubuntu today
[12:03] <KrisDouglas> Loading websites in any browser is taking an eternity, but on a VM on the same machine (windows guest) can load them absolutely fine.
[12:04] <zleap> oimon, yeah
[12:05] <BigRedS> anyone here well-versed in django/mod_wsgi?
[12:05] <BigRedS> I want to change which Python binary it uses
[12:05] <zleap> it would be a blow to MS if they either started shipping Linux or dumped windows boxes altogether and shipped macs only
[12:06] <zleap> KrisDouglas, not sure,
[12:08] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: in the config for mod_wsgi don't you have the option for setting the path to the python interpreter?
[12:08] <BigRedS> gordonjcp: nope
[12:08] <BigRedS> it's a compile-time option, but I'd rather not build it myself
[12:09] <oimon> zleap: they don't mention win7 so it must be a historical action from when xp and vista were out
[12:10] <oimon> i guess the claim is against the OEM licences?
[12:10] <oimon> rather than the actual CD disk
[12:10] <gordonjcp> BigRedS: symlink evilness?
[12:11] <zleap> ah
[12:11] <zleap> when did ms stop shipping recovery disks
[12:12] <oimon> my sister's PC disk failed so she was left without a recovery disk, since no CD came with the machine
[12:12] <BigRedS> gordonjcp: yeah, I was hoping for a more supported method :)
[12:12] <BigRedS> Suppose it's worth a go
[12:12] <oimon> if the allegation is simply against comet producing their own recovery disks, then that isn't pirating IMO
[12:12] <zleap> you are meant to do this yourself from the images etc
[12:13] <oimon> we had to install XP cos that was the only disk we had
[12:13] <zleap> however some places create their own recovery cd's as it contains all the pre bundled software
[12:13] <oimon> although the licence was for vista
[12:15] <zleap> maybe people suggested this would be an opportunity for them to offer alternatives
[12:15] <occupy64k> On approaching charities, it may be an idea to volunteer to help them transition to Linux.  Most charities are busy enough focussed on other things.
[12:15] <BigRedS> bah, no I need a wsgi.so that points at the right place
[12:15] <zleap> occupy64k, well they are based in one of the more deprivedf areas of torbay,   my suggested was they simply promote the open disc and ubuntu
[12:16] <zleap> i need more people here in torbay to actually help me do that,  for when i get stuck and need help
[12:16] <zleap> a few don't use ubuntu,  one hates unity  so won't help there,   which is fine if they want to promote ,mint as long as they support it
[12:17] <gordonjcp> zleap: xubuntu?
[12:17] <zleap> yeah
[12:17] <occupy64k> The thing about Ubuntu is that you don't have to use Unity.  It's easy to install Gnome shell
[12:18] <zleap> what i need is a few more people willing to help me just help people with ubuntu if needed
[12:18] <occupy64k> You could form a local LUG
[12:18] <BigRedS> bah. and mod_wsgi doens't want to Just Build (tm)
[12:19] <zleap> there is a devon adn cornwall lug,  they hardly seem interested in anything tjhese days,  which is why my ubunt posters point people to ubuntu-uk etc
[12:19] <zleap> at ;least we are active
[12:19] <occupy64k> Keep the Ubuntu flag flying
[12:19] <zleap> once there are enough local users,  who are willing to make an effort then we can perhaps meet up locally
[12:19] <zleap> occupy64k, i am
[12:20] <zleap> I can't fix everything and i find the ubuntu list and here very very helpful and being part of the community is what all this is about,  helping each other
[12:20] <oimon> “Comet has sought and received legal advice from leading counsel to  support its view that the production of recovery discs did not infringe  Microsoft’s intellectual property.
[12:20] <occupy64k> Suggestion:  A google/openstreetmaps site which allows people to indicate that they're Linux users
[12:20] <oimon> so this is just about recovery disks, not about counterfeit serialz
[12:20] <zleap> i remember a lcoal computer shop got clouted a few years ago for a similar thing
[12:20] <oimon> Comet firmly believes that it acted in the very best interests of its  customers.  It believes its customers had been adversely affected by the  decision to stop supplying recovery discs with each new Microsoft  Operating System based computer. Accordingly Comet is satisfied that it  has a good defence to the claim and will defend its position  vigorously.”
[12:21] <zleap> occupy64k, there is a ubuntu map site, ubuntu counter,  linux counter
[12:21] <occupy64k> Havn't seen it
[12:22] <zleap> oimon, we need to back up comet and really suggest they put Linux on the shelves, from books,  to cd's  everything
[12:22] <occupy64k> Agree
[12:22] <zleap> can we suggest to alan he makes thast suggestion to MS
[12:22] <zleap> i mean canonical
[12:22] <christel> zleap: devon and cornwall lug was never all that active back when i lived in exeter either, i always assumed it was because it covered such a wide area :)
[12:22] <occupy64k> If an Ubuntu PR team doesn't exist, one should be formed for these types of occasion
[12:23] <zleap> christel, yeah that is one of the reasons
[12:23] <zleap> but the website is hardly inspiring
[12:23] <czajkowski> christel: surrey lug is
[12:23] <christel> czajkowski: yeah, but surrey lug is a tad out of the way of torbay ;)
[12:23] <czajkowski> christel: you're moving...
[12:24] <christel> czajkowski: no -- i moved to surrey from devon tho, thus responding to him/her regarding devon & cornwall lug :)
[12:24] <zleap> i think perhaps what is needed a torbay Ljinux user group,  we need to find people with the tech expertise to help run a mailing list etc
[12:24] <AlanBell> occupy64k: zleap: there is a canonical PR department, but this is not really much of a direct opportunity
[12:24] <zleap> hmm
[12:24] <popey> meh, lugs are dead
[12:24] <zleap> it just sounds an opportunity,
[12:24] <christel> zleap: lug-wise tho, simon waters and tom stephenson are always keen to help out -- admittedly they are debianistas, but i suspect they'd do anything to help promote foss
[12:24] <czajkowski> christel: ahh see making more sense now
[12:25] <occupy64k> I'd treat it as a potential opportunity
[12:25] <AlanBell> comet are alleged to have already done bad things, they will no doubt settle out of court with an agreement to pay some discounted amount, plus a contract to be locked in even tighter
[12:25] <zleap> christel, i think its more time or lack of
[12:26] <zleap> popey, are lugs dead, how is ubuntu-uk different to a lug except we are mainly ubuntu focussed but we still promote foss
[12:26] <czajkowski> christel: I've met some interesting folks in the surrey lug :) but not so keen on their monthly meet ups, I prefer the social meet ups instead
[12:26] <AlanBell> zleap: lugs are local county based groups
[12:26] <BigRedS> ubuntu-uk is national, for a start
[12:26] <czajkowski> BigRedS: ah but not all locos are country specific :)
[12:27] <christel> czajkowski: yeah, i love a good pub lug meet, but i find the BaB things a tad droll
[12:27] <christel> my lug when i lived in san diego was amazing
[12:27] <czajkowski> christel: indeed as do I.
[12:27] <zleap> well once there are a few people from torbay on the mailing list for the uk ubuntun list there is no reason why local meet ups can't be organised
[12:27] <czajkowski> christel: we do seem to meet on a thursday a lot in london though as many of them work uo here
[12:27] <christel> but it was so massive that there was something happening several times a week, from awesome talks, to installfests to social gatherings
[12:27] <christel> we'd do like 2am pancake trips to dennys all the time
[12:28] <AlanBell> zleap: which is exactly what the happy hour thing is all about
[12:28] <zleap> yeah
[12:28] <christel> which reminds me.. we need to go to the pub alans!
[12:28] <AlanBell> we do
[12:29]  * AlanBell wonders if anyone else (perhaps not even called Alan) can pop along to Farnham one evening
[12:30] <oimon> are lugs dying a bit now that linux is not a clandestine club?
[12:30] <occupy64k> I've never been to a lug, but that's only because I live in a rather remote area
[12:31] <KrisDouglas> the LUG in wolves is always busy.
[12:32] <oimon> KrisDouglas: what's their USP?
[12:33] <oimon> does it revolve around beer?
[12:33] <christel> i find beer goes very well with linux
[12:33] <KrisDouglas> as in unique selling point? the fact they're all quite friendly, and to be honest, it's where Jono Bacon, Adam Sweet, Dave Morley e.t.c are from so it's quite "linuxy" round there.
[12:34] <KrisDouglas> christel, alcohol and computers are never a good combination :P
[12:34] <christel> hehe
[12:34] <occupy64k> penguins congregate
[12:34] <christel> ah, adam sweet
[12:34] <christel> i love adam sweet
[12:35] <KrisDouglas> christel, he was pretty hilarious on lugradio
[12:36] <christel> yeah, he'sfunny
[12:36] <christel> tho, he sent me a rather rude happy new year text, so i have to think of a new insult for him!
[12:37] <zleap> i went to well attended lug meets in canada  2 part events,  1 part being a talk the other part social in the student bar
[12:39] <christel> i wouldnt say that lugs are dead, but i suspect that the success will vary based on location, dynamics of the group, passion and engagement of those who volunteer to get stuff done
[12:39] <christel> someone needs to take initiative and make stuff happen :)
[12:39] <occupy64k> Yes
[12:40] <zleap> i try to but can't on my own,  hence i made ubuntu posters etc
[12:40] <occupy64k> It's a "doocracy"
[12:41] <zleap> if we had a decent,  commuinity who areally wanted to do something we would probably get noticed in the South west and bring more IT stuff down here
[12:41] <oimon> i'm sure you'll get a lot of interest in universities.
[12:41] <oimon> exeter?
[12:42] <zleap> yeah,  i may see if i can find someone to put some posters up for me
[12:42] <zleap> once one person is part of things then the word spreads
[12:42] <christel> pick a time and a place, get the word out -- see whop turns up and whether they'll be keen to help you blow some life back into d&c
[12:43] <oimon> exeter uses linux quite heavily in the science faculty AFAIK
[12:43] <zleap> christel, www,dcglug.org.uk  this is the state of the website,  the only person that seems to update stuf fis me
[12:43] <oimon> might be a good focal point
[12:43] <oimon> although  they may have their own society already?
[12:44] <zleap> yeah,   good idea,  we could then perhaps get tallks on using LInux in science
[12:44] <christel> zleap: *nod* -- email the list, hang up some fliers etc -- focus less on the poorly maintained website and more on reaching out to people, and gaining the attention of those perhaps not already on the ML :)
[12:45] <zleap> don't people look at a website to get info on joining up though
[12:45] <oimon> move the website to facebook/social media
[12:45] <oimon> so that updates pop into people's feed rather than searching stuff out
[12:45] <zleap> do people need to sign up to google+ to access a page
[12:45] <occupy64k> Good idea - just don't confine yourself to Facebook
[12:46] <occupy64k> I don't think they do
[12:46] <zleap> ok
[12:46] <popey> +1 on using facebook etc
[12:46] <christel> yeah, facebook is good, and blog about it -- make sure your blog is in the ubuntu uk planet feed for example, that should allow you to catch the attention of some localish ubuntu/linux users
[12:46] <popey> When I promote UUPC on facebook, we get new listeners
[12:46] <zleap> i could add a dclug page to my website and link to the lug sign up page (mailman) from there, then give people a url like www.zleap.net/dclug.html
[12:48] <zleap> i need to get back in touch with the local youth centre,  see if between us we can reach out to young people who are techies
[12:48] <zleap> and perhaps using linuix or want to learn programming
[12:48] <oimon> i generally wouldn't attend a lug, but i would attend a talk from somebody. so a good way to kick it off might be a talk
[12:48] <zleap> I am keen to help,  and understand stuff,    with raspberry pi  it could change things
[12:49] <oimon> certainly it's good idea to use popular memes such as R Pi to get interest
[12:49] <zleap> oimon, yeah i have said on our lug I want to learn stuff,  even if it is basic networking stuff,   talks can be on basics or highly complex stuff
[12:49] <occupy64k> I'm not particularly enthusiastic about raspberry pi.  There are plenty of low cost embedded computers out these.
[12:49] <oimon> if i lived in the sticks i might attend a lug
[12:49] <oimon> the only linux user in the village etc
[12:49] <occupy64k> heh
[12:50] <oimon> occupy64k: the point is that other people are interested so its a possible common ground
[12:50] <zleap> when i was in canada i vistied hunts ville for the day,   doubled the linux user population for a few hours
[12:50] <occupy64k> indeed, raspberry pi has had far more media coverage than any similar system
[12:50] <zleap> oimon, and raspberry pi is cheap enough for young people to buy and form a community round
[12:51] <occupy64k> and small enough for novel uses, wearables, etc
[12:51] <davmor2> popey: this one is for you and the minecraft massive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJHDPTN5gw
[12:51] <zleap> if we can get collaboration, team work around programming it is good skills for later life too
[12:51] <occupy64k> true
[12:51] <zleap> perhaps then arrange talks from developers on stuff like this
[12:51] <occupy64k> Hack your world
[12:52] <zleap> i attended a talk by ibm in canada on software testing,  free morning,  free coffee, free muffins etc
[12:52] <occupy64k> Free stuff is always a bonus
[12:53] <zleap> there was a long table at the back with loads of muffins, bagles etc on
[12:53] <zleap> meanwhile out side the window there was a movie being made
[12:53] <zleap> vancouver this was
[12:55] <zleap> as is said hopefully working along side youth services I can reach out to these young people as I know a few that use linux, there has to be more
[12:56] <AlanBell> popey: how do you promote it on facebook?
[12:56] <occupy64k> My guess is that there are many unknown Linux users out there
[12:56] <zleap> exactly
[12:57] <zleap> well there is no point me creating new groups when people can join existing groups so i could perhaps promote the ubuntu facebook group
[12:57]  * AlanBell doesn't quite get facebook
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's like Google Plus, but blue
[12:58] <AlanBell> yeah, and has my silly cousins talking on it
[12:59] <AlanBell> and people liking odd statements and then you get comment threads full of fail from people I have never heard of and don't want to be friends with
[13:06] <popey> AlanBell: i put it on the uupc page and we all +1 and reshare it
[13:06] <zleap> AlanBell, exactly which is why for any intellegent stuff i use google+
[13:07] <zleap> i did try and ask on facebook if anyone wanted to learn progamming,  there was a discussion with 1 lug member and interest from 1 person i know in Ohio
[13:08] <AlanBell> I guess I don't really have many friends on facebook compared to some people
[13:08] <zleap> you get drawn in to facebook
[13:08] <AlanBell> I don't really want to introduce them to my family
[13:08] <KrisDouglas> I just unfriend everyone who I don't want to listen to.
[13:08] <zleap> as it ends up being the only way to communicate,  with people who fail to check e-mail
[13:09] <AlanBell> I think the only way I could use facebook is if I unfriended all my relations
[13:09] <zleap> or have two accounts
[13:09] <zleap> i dropped a few hints a few times,   like posted about raspberry PI and put discuss on google+
[13:10] <oimon> zleap: you know that joey from omgubuntu is from devon? could always get in touch to see if he wants to do a talk. then he could self-publicize it :)
[13:10] <zleap> ok
[13:10] <zleap> and Daviey is in devon too
[13:10] <zleap> or was
[13:11] <oimon> i would be too if my wife got her own way
[13:11] <zleap> move to torbay and u can vist penguins at living coasts
[13:11] <zleap> :D
[13:12] <zleap> mind for the cost of geting in i can buy 4 of those penguin tux stress toys from amazon
[13:12] <zleap> i am off,  to work,  will see what posters i can put up or if I can leave a few flyers in the news agent near where i work
[13:13] <zleap> chat laters
[13:19] <selinuxium> Wondering if anyone knows the URL the the Landscape client tries to connect to when using the Cloud service? I think a firewall is stopping connectivity.
[13:19] <selinuxium> that the*
[13:24]  * MartijnVdS points at popey 
[13:32] <kvarley> I've installed LAMP via the tasksel package. It's configured the server to use /var/www as the sites path. Should I change this to a location in my home folder or just chmod the directory so I don't have to be root to create webpages there?
[13:37] <bigcalm> kvarley: apache will run as www-data. So if you chmod/chown, be sure that www-data still has access to things
[13:39] <oimon> it's good practice to use www-data group and add yourself to it
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> also, suexec won't like you
[13:40] <bigcalm> I wouldn't worry about suexec for now :)
[13:46] <monster2323> I just brought a calculator
[13:46] <KrisDouglas> brought or bought?
[13:47] <oimon> maybe he brought it home from the shop from where he bought it
[13:47] <KrisDouglas> hurr
[13:48] <davmor2> monster2323: you know this thing you're typing on you know it has one built in ;)
[13:48] <monster2323> bah
[13:49] <bigcalm> alt+f2 calctool
[13:49] <bigcalm> Though I'm sure your physical calculator does more than that simple one :)
[13:50] <monster2323> of course
[13:50] <oimon> alt-f2 oocalc
[13:50] <monster2323> programmable
[13:50] <monster2323> :D
[13:50] <monster2323> sometimes it is nice
[13:50] <monster2323> to leave the my computers
[13:50] <monster2323> for a more simplier one
[13:51] <oimon> my calculator can make phone calls
[13:51] <oimon> i rarely use the phone feature though
[13:51] <christel>     /13
[13:52] <bigcalm> christel: unlucky :(
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: a /13 is quite a bit of IP space
[13:58] <bigcalm> I never did get my head around the /8 /13 /etc thing
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it's the number of bits in the netmask that are "1" :)
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: (those bits can only be consecutive, at the "front" of the number)
[13:59] <bigcalm> Still don't understand :)
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you know numbers? :)
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: you know binary?
[14:00] <bigcalm> 123456789
[14:00] <bigcalm> Yes
[14:00] <czajkowski> ocado is flippin brilliant!
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: A netmask like "255.255.255.0" means: 11111111.11111111.11111111.00000000
[14:01] <bigcalm> Ok
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so /24 -> 24 "1" bits at the front :)
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: that's all :)
[14:01] <bigcalm> Oh
[14:01] <oimon> = /8 . /8 . /8 . 0
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> oimon: don't confuse him
[14:01] <bigcalm> :P
[14:12] <calvin_> org.za
[14:21] <oimon> just realised that it's possible to do gantt charts in latex
[14:21] <oimon> sorted!
[14:25] <MartijnVdS> oimon: I linked a LaTeX Gantt-thingy for org-mode earlier :)
[14:26]  * oimon looks
[14:27] <oimon> woops. i thought you were linking to org-mode emacs mode
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: well it's supposed to be used with it
[14:27] <MartijnVdS> oimon: but it should be adaptable
[15:21] <KrisDouglas> I'm gonna throw this machine out of the window in a minute :)
[15:26] <czajkowski> DJones: christel danfish there is also #rugbyrants for future rants set up
[15:29]  * daubers ponders a nice mug of tea
[15:34] <popey> YES!
[15:35] <christel> teaaa.
[15:39] <daubers> I have trial bags of PG Tips "The Fresh One" whatever that means
[15:39]  * hamitron only uses Yorkshire Tea
[15:40] <gord> ooh its tea time? agreed
[15:40] <hamitron> 20 mins left for me
[15:40] <davmor2> belvoir ginger beer ftw
[15:40] <hamitron> well, 5 mins till it has to be made ofc
[15:41] <hamitron> I also have 1 slice of victoria sponge left :D
[15:41] <daubers> awh.... now I want cake too
[15:42] <oimon> anyone know where i can buy this stuff in brick&mortar shop? http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hazer-Baba-Turkish-Apple-250g/dp/B002O0PFCC
[15:43] <hamitron> my town has a shop run by a dirty old man on a side street, he gets anything you want like that
[15:43] <hamitron> maybe worth looking locally for somewhere like that
[15:43] <hamitron> :)
[15:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: have a hug
[15:45] <hamitron> oimon, what it taste like?
[15:45] <hamitron> apple juice?
[15:46] <oimon> apple flavoured, but not the same way as hot apple juice
[15:46] <oimon> it is granules that you add to hot water
[15:46] <oimon> mmm
[15:47] <directhex> whittards.
[15:47] <hamitron> tea time anyway
[15:47] <hamitron> :)
[15:47] <directhex> http://www.whittard.co.uk/instant_tea/instant_tea_flavours/rb_turkish_apple_inst_tea.htm
[15:48] <christel> :o
[15:48] <christel> i could like that
[15:48] <christel> since i dont drink real tea, only infusions
[15:48] <oimon> directhex: i wondered who shopped in there :P
[15:48] <DJones> I find Whittard fruit teas exceptionally sweet
[15:49] <DJones> I get them every now & again, but everytime I drink it, I can feel it stripping the enamal off my teeth
[15:49] <oimon> this isn't really infusion but a sugary drink...but it's nice
[15:49] <gord> I infuse my tea with biscuits
[15:50] <christel> oimon: hehe
[15:50] <christel> see, normal tea still scares me
[15:50] <christel> i've only been in the uk for 12 and a half years
[15:50] <DJones> oimon: Whittards teas are probably liquid sugar with an occasional fruit flavour :)
[15:50] <christel> :S
[15:50] <oimon> tea is minging
[15:50] <oimon> IMO
[15:51] <oimon> i hate it more than most food/drinks
[15:51] <gord> brought proper British tea to UDS once, some French people on my team wanted to try it, not sure they approved ;)
[15:51] <christel> haha
[15:51] <popey> ooo thanks for the reminder
[15:51] <popey> need to take tea to the rally next week
[15:53] <christel> czajkowski bought me some awesome weird teas once
[15:53] <christel> like strawberry and cream flavour and stuff
[15:53] <christel> they were lush
[15:54]  * DJones drinks peach & passinfruit tea at the minute
[15:55] <christel> i am having peppermint tea as we speak
[15:55] <christel> with a generous dollop of honey
[15:55] <gordonjcp> I need to buy tea
[15:55] <DJones> christel: You'll like Whittards teas then if you're adding honey to sweeten it
[15:56] <christel> oo perhaps i will try them :D
[15:56] <DJones> Plenty of stores for you find one near you http://www.whittard.co.uk/locations
[15:57] <DJones> Although forget it if you're north of glasgow & edinburgh
[15:58] <oimon> i'm in east london. besides nandos there are no chain stores
[15:58] <oimon> will have to send my missis on a foraging mission instead
[16:01] <oimon> i probably have 5 turkish supermarkets on my doorstep but they are invisible if not on google :(
[16:03] <christel> woop
[16:03] <christel> i am not north of glasgow no ;)
[16:03] <christel> mind, i do live in tinyville
[16:06] <christel> i also suck at maps, because i tried to click where i live and it thinks i live in essex!
[16:16] <DJones> Anybody know how long a balloon filled with helium will stay floating before it goes limp & loses its lighter than air effect
[16:16] <popey> depends what the balloon is made of
[16:17] <popey> rubber ones sink in under a day
[16:17] <oimon> depends, we had some lasting a few weeks recently. however some bought from funfairs go within a day or two
[16:17] <popey> metal ones slower
[16:17] <DJones> Just your normal rubbery balloon
[16:17] <oimon> According to Red Hat CEO Jim Whitehurst, the biggest commercial Linux vendor is planning on hiring at least 1,000 new employees in 2012--increasing the size of its staff by 24 percent.
[16:17] <popey> not long, they're pourous
[16:17] <DJones> I guess that means I don't blow them up until friday then
[16:18] <gord> DJones, sounds like a question for stack exchange, you should be prepared for an answer with a lot of maths though ;)
[16:18] <stuart> There was a darwin award to a chap who used party balloons on his deck chair, he had a air rifle to shooot the balloons in order to come down, but was afraid to use it as he went up several thousand feet.
[16:19] <DJones> gord: There's enough maths involved already, have to set up for a joint 30th & 60th birthday party, question is, do I do double the number of 30'th balloons so that maths even out :)
[16:22] <gord> *2 is apparently too much maths then? ;)
[16:23] <DJones> After a day in work, definately, and certainly not without a calculator
[16:25] <Pendulum> DJones: how much space do you have?
[16:27] <DJones> Pendulum: No idea, all I know is that a rooms been hire that can take 150 people
[16:29] <DJones> I could just leave the valve on the canister open in the room, might lead to a bit of hilarity :)
[16:31] <oimon> and ultimately, mass death?
[16:35] <directhex> don't waste helium, we need it for airships :<
[16:43] <bigcalm> Is there a limit to the number of chars one can use for a mysql table column name?
[16:45] <gord> ... that question is terrifying
[16:45] <gord> stop writing novels for column names ;)
[16:45] <bigcalm> :D
[16:45] <bigcalm> I just want to use: marketing_opt_out_3rd_party_companies
[16:46] <bigcalm> I'll drop _companies
[16:49] <directhex> i don't think bigcalm understands relational databases
[16:49] <directhex> you use a random 8-character string for the column name
[16:49] <directhex> then have a table called column_names
[16:50] <directhex> with a random column names on the left, and a full-blown freeform text field on the right
[16:50] <directhex> i@M A GENIUS
[16:50] <oimon> not sure if joking or clever
[16:51] <directhex> and that's why it's funny!
[16:51] <directhex> one piece of your brain refuses to discard the idea as purely humour. there's a bit saying "it's retar... well it might work i guess... ARGH I'M A DEVIANT FOR CONSIDERING IT"
[16:52] <oimon> http://memegenerator.net/instance/12859323
[16:52] <gord> i think your just describing a project of mine when i was 13 directhex, please stop infringing on my intellectual property
[16:57]  * bigcalm goes into hiding
[17:06] <czajkowski> christel: ahh yes from joy of chai in dublin
[17:07] <christel> :D
[17:08] <czajkowski> hmmm memories
[17:08] <czajkowski> mixed
[17:08] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod
[17:08] <christel> aw
[17:08]  * christel hugs czajkowski 
[17:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: heyyl my dear have a *hug*
[17:09]  * czajkowski snuggles christel 
[17:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Today: First Videocast Of 2012 - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/01/04/today-first-videocast-of-2012/
[17:09] <davmor2> czajkowski: <stgraber> davmor2: congrats on being the ISO tester who submitted the most results ever (1723) I haven't done any iso testing for 2 years
[17:10] <bigcalm> Can you love your job a little too much? ;)
[17:10] <czajkowski> davmor2: well done
[17:11] <davmor2> bigcalm: NO!
[17:11] <DJones> bigcalm: The guy with the tasting job at the Guinness factory asks himself that every day
[17:14] <stgraber> davmor2: you really need to start doing some again or you'll be second by the time we release the beta :)
[17:29] <jutnux> http://sweetupndown.tumblr.com/post/15242399360/dear-customer-who-stuck-up-for-his-little-brother
[17:31] <czajkowski> ;/c
[17:36] <awilkins> I'm distraught at the evil inherent in the human spirit
[17:37] <awilkins> I get back from holiday, and some naughty person has removed half the RAM from my desktop PC
[17:37] <awilkins> Suspects include the ICT department and the teacup collector
[17:38] <awilkins> It would be less annoying if I hadn't upgraded the RAM on the sly... they took one of the original 1GB modules plus one of my 2GB modules.
[17:40] <awilkins> ICT claim they know nooothing
[17:43] <popey> awilkins: do you have the box the ram came in? perhaps with the serial number on it?
[17:44] <popey> unless of course someone took it home ⍨
[17:44] <awilkins> popey: I have the box, although not for the module that came with the PC
[17:44] <awilkins> I have the remaining RAM module from the pair
[17:45] <awilkins> Technically I suppose I'm not supposed to install additional hardware in my PC
[17:45] <awilkins> It's not like I took anything out...
[17:45] <jutnux> Is your PC on 24/7 awilkins?
[17:45] <popey> i know plenty of people who have done that
[17:46] <popey> because its too much effort to get IS to get more RAM
[17:46] <jutnux> Woops
[17:46] <awilkins> jutnux: Nope, I turn it off at night
[17:46] <jutnux> spilt coffee everywhere
[17:46] <awilkins> popey: Yeah, same reasoning
[17:46] <jutnux> awilkins: Was going to say you could setup a webcam as a security camera and become a high tech ninja.
[17:47] <awilkins> jutnux: Heh, I take the drive home at night
[17:47] <popey> or run a cron job that runs lshw every hour
[17:47] <awilkins> I suppose I could configure the WIndows on the box to do that though
[17:48] <popey> you could look in event viewer, see when it was booted while you were away
[17:48] <popey> and see who logged in
[17:48] <jutnux> They wouldn't have to boot it to remove ram though would they?
[17:48] <popey> no, but they might to see how much it had
[17:48] <awilkins> popey: Oh, it wasn't booted ; I think ICT are an unlikely suspect
[17:48] <jutnux> Ah right.
[17:48] <popey> so someone just randomly opened your pc and took half the ram?
[17:49] <awilkins> The reason I knew was because the first thing that happened when I started it up was the BIOS saying "The amount of RAM on this machine has changed, hit F1 to store new value"
[17:49] <popey> also, I have known of this happen before, but on a large scale
[17:49] <awilkins> I've not actually booted the OS since then
[17:49] <awilkins> I suppose I could and look in the event log
[17:49] <popey> I used to work for a company which was broken into at the weekend, and they took half the ram from every desktop in the building
[17:49] <popey> I would
[17:50] <awilkins> popey: Yeah, on the premise that people will just think ICT installed a new virus scanner that thrashes their drive and makes things super slow...
[17:50] <jutnux> popey: That would be quite a task
[17:50] <popey> they did it on a weekend
[17:50] <popey> nobody about
[17:50] <awilkins> Corporate PC builds have screwless cases
[17:50] <popey> well, except the stupid security guard who let them in
[17:50] <awilkins> And we've just had a lengthy christmas lull
[17:50] <jutnux> Oh right.
[17:50] <awilkins> Not heard anyone else complain though
[17:51] <jutnux> Even if the cases weren't screwless they could probably do it semi quick
[17:51] <awilkins> If it was ICT they should a) have asked first b) also complained about the non-standard DisplayPort adapter and USB hub and keyboard I have attached
[17:52] <awilkins> Pah. It's annoying
[17:52] <awilkins> Most of us have laptops in here
[17:53] <awilkins> Right, I'm sodding off home
[17:54] <jutnux> Adios amigo
[17:54] <awilkins> Had to transfer all my dev work to my Windows laptop. It sucks in extremis. Slooooooooww
[18:02] <directhex> stealing RAM is like stealing CDs. you'd make more per hour working at mcdonalds, with today's prices
[18:21] <Azelphur> Building from src on a sempron 140, hellz yea.
[18:21]  * Azelphur sets up camp
[19:02] <Flashtek|mum> anyone available to bounce a question regarding wifi since upgrade to oneiric ?
[19:08] <AlanBell> !ask
[19:10] <Flashtek|mum> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection - not performing 4 way handshake..
[19:10] <Flashtek|mum> was working just fine before the upgrade
[19:12] <daubers> Evening
[19:15] <Flashtek|mum> o/
[19:17] <Flashtek|mum> do I "need" to use WPA2 perchance ?
[19:19] <Flashtek|mum> oh, it's WPA and WPA2..
[19:19] <bigcalm> It's the preferred setting
[19:19] <Flashtek|mum> on the same router..
[19:19] <jacobw> where did you read 'not performing 4 way handshake' ?
[19:19] <Flashtek|mum> jacobw: output of wpa_supplicant
[19:19] <jacobw> ah, good :)
[19:19] <bigcalm> Most device support it. Though sadly the Nintendo DS doesn't :(
[19:19] <Flashtek|mum> good news.. i'm not using a DS
[19:19] <bigcalm> :D
[19:20] <jacobw> my nick appears blank in my irssi display
[19:20] <jacobw> i seem to remember this happening before
[19:20] <gord> 3ds does :D
[19:20] <Flashtek|mum> any thoughts on making this f'ing thing work ?
[19:20] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[19:21] <Flashtek|mum> who was being abusive ?
[19:21] <bigcalm> Just the use of language
[19:21] <gordonjcp> jacobw: your nick is highlighted in your own window
[19:21] <Flashtek|mum> bigcalm: f'ing.. as in flipping ??
[19:21] <Flashtek|mum> :-P
[19:22] <jacobw> overeaction
[19:22] <AlanBell> bug 759051 maybe?
[19:22] <czajkowski> Anyone coming to FOSDEM from here?
[19:22] <bigcalm> czajkowski: are you paying? :)
[19:22] <Flashtek|mum> AlanBell: not a router supporting N
[19:22] <AlanBell> ok, not that then
[19:22] <AlanBell> is it a laptop?
[19:22] <Flashtek|mum> AlanBell: DG834G
[19:23] <czajkowski> bigcalm: I am not :)
[19:23] <Flashtek|mum> yes, it's a laptop
[19:23] <Flashtek|mum> Fujitsu
[19:23] <bigcalm> czajkowski: looks like I'll be staying at home then :(
[19:23] <jutnux> Howdy all
[19:23] <jacobw> http://i.imgur.com/5RR3b.png
[19:24] <jacobw> hi jutnux
[19:27] <AlanBell> Flashtek|mum: I am not seeing any other relevant bugs with useful information on them
[19:27] <AlanBell> there are some you can have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux?field.searchtext=3945ABG
[19:28] <AlanBell> one thing that might be fun to try is a live CD of Precise to get a very recent kernel (it is an Alpha, but in pretty good shape)
[19:30] <Flashtek|mum> AlanBell: alas no CD burner available here..
[19:30] <Flashtek|mum> which is annoying, but i'll be up another day
[19:30] <Flashtek|mum> at my mothers..
[19:30] <Flashtek|mum> it's a good excuse to visit for another roast ;-)
[19:32] <AlanBell> yum
[19:33] <Flashtek|mum> ya
[19:33] <AlanBell> my customers would get more on-site support if they provided roasts
[19:33] <Flashtek|mum> my mum does..
[19:34] <AlanBell> todays customer provided assorted fruits, which isn't really the same
[19:47] <DJones> AlanBell: Are you ok for a pm?
[19:48] <AlanBell> sure DJones
[19:54] <jutnux> Fruit
[19:54] <jutnux> baha
[19:56] <AlanBell> London's foremost supplier of office daily fruit products
[19:57] <AlanBell> order now to have your details entered on a Free Software CRM/ERP system http://www.fruitfuloffice.com/
[19:57] <czajkowski> AlanBell: sweet congrats
[19:58] <AlanBell> and if you get invoiced the wrong price it is probably my fault
[19:58] <czajkowski> lol
[20:03] <Flashtek|mum> hmm.. old kernel didn't make any difference.. however there is a stackload of updates needed..
[20:04] <Flashtek|mum> shedload of segment violations..
[20:04]  * Flashtek|mum sighs..
[20:04] <Flashtek|mum> mothers eh ?
[20:05] <gordonjcp> argh
[20:05] <gordonjcp> pulseaudio strikes again
[20:06] <gordonjcp> *one shot* at recording the last couple of passes of ARISSAT-1, and pulseaudio has eaten my sound
[20:06] <AlanBell> oh noes
[20:07] <MartijnVdS>  pulseaudio -k ?
[20:07] <gordonjcp> bit late now
[20:07] <gordonjcp> I have 20 minutes of silence :-/
[20:07] <AlanBell> what were you recording? the burnup?
[20:12] <czajkowski> anyone having skype issues lately. go to ring someone and it hangs, kill it and then restart and it works fine ?
[20:13] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: the last couple of orbits
[20:22] <ali1234> czajkowski: 64 bit? there's a bug in pulseaudio
[20:22] <AlanBell> so what is the deal with skype under unity, there is no old-style panel icon and no indicator, if I close it then I can't get it back
[20:22] <AlanBell> and can't start a new instance because it tells me it is already running, which it is
[20:22] <DJones> AlanBell: http://askubuntu.com/questions/66579/where-are-my-tray-icons-in-the-unity-2d-panel
[20:23] <ali1234> so here's a question: which d you think does more damage to the crediblity of linux: some guy nobody has ever heard of eating toe jam, or the fact that sound still doesn't work properly in 2012?
[20:24] <AlanBell> DJones: looks like skype should be whitelisted by default
[20:24]  * AlanBell uses 64 bit and has had no pulse audio problems for ages and ages
[20:25] <ali1234> that's nice
[20:25] <ali1234> for you
[20:25] <czajkowski> ali1234: aye 64 bot
[20:25] <czajkowski> *bit
[20:25] <czajkowski> works other than that tbh
[20:25]  * DJones concurs with AlanBell, no problems with 64 bit sound
[20:25] <czajkowski> folks who've bought tickets for London shows, which are the best sites to use?
[20:26] <AlanBell> I even do odd things like use a USB headset (hotplug soundcard) and usb plantronics communicator
[20:26] <czajkowski> the folks are coming over in March and i need to find stuff for them to go and do
[20:28] <ali1234> czajkowski: try this
[20:29] <ali1234> edit /etc/pulse/defaults.pa
[20:29] <ali1234> find the line that says: load-module module-udev-detect
[20:29] <ali1234> change it to: load-module module-udev-detect tsched=0
[20:29] <ali1234> that fixed all my problems with skype
[20:29] <popey> there is a pulse issue in 64-bit here too
[20:29] <ali1234> also you have to reboot afterwards i guess
[20:29] <popey> it goes at double speed / is choppy
[20:29] <ali1234> popey: ^ do that
[20:29] <popey> so videos playback at double speed
[20:29] <popey> oooo
[20:30] <ali1234> oh wait, just 64 bit in general?
[20:30] <ali1234> this is only for 32 bit binaries like skype running on 64 bit
[20:30] <popey> bug 909419
[20:30] <ali1234> i guess you could try it
[20:30] <popey> i will, thanks
[20:30] <popey> once i reinstall pulse :D
[20:30] <dwatkins_> wow, skype still works on linux?
[20:30] <ali1234> i don't have any problems with properly open source programs
[20:30] <czajkowski> ali1234: thanks
[20:30] <ali1234> dwatkins_: sort of
[20:31] <czajkowski> videos work fine
[20:31] <popey> yeeah, it happens on everything
[20:31] <popey> skype, totem, flash
[20:31] <ali1234> ha
[20:31] <czajkowski> just skype stalls for a moment and hangs restart and back to normal
[20:31] <dwatkins_> I'm genuinely surprised, ali1234 - I expected they would have somehow stopped it from working by now :-/
[20:31] <ali1234> "flash"
[20:31] <popey> youtoob
[20:31] <popey> anything, mplayer, the lot
[20:31] <AlanBell> oooh I have tray icons back
[20:31] <dwatkins_> what else do most people need flash for? ;)
[20:32] <AlanBell> remmina has a tray icon too, cool
[20:33]  * AlanBell wonders why indicators don't just expose tray icons
[20:33] <popey> bah, reinstalled pulse, it works now
[20:34] <popey> stupid pulse
[20:34] <popey> bet it will break after a reboot
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: shake your fist while screaming "LENNART!!!"
[20:35] <dwatkins_> I had similar issues with pulse a couple years back, popey :(
[20:35]  * MartijnVdS plays with reaver (WPS h4x0ring tool) on a spare ap
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> it's scary
[20:35] <czajkowski> popey: you running O or P ?
[20:35] <popey> P
[20:36] <czajkowski> not seeing any jumping on any videos here on O
[20:45] <zleap> hi all
[20:48] <mattt> howzit howzit
[20:49] <zleap> good thanks
[20:50] <zleap> yourself ?
[20:50] <mattt> pretty good thanks :)
[21:02] <diplo> evening all
[21:02] <zleap> hi
[21:10] <DJones> I think my eardrums have just been popped, sitting in a room with 2 newcastle fans watching Sky sports
[21:12] <jacobw> uh oh
[21:12] <zleap> lol
[21:14] <jutnux> Does anyone here use nginx with wordpress?
[21:15] <jutnux> And don't ! ask me :P
[21:15] <jacobw> !ask
[21:15]  * jutnux shoots jacobw 
[21:16] <popey> jacobw: omgubuntu does :D
[21:16] <jacobw> s/jacobw/jutnux
[21:16] <popey> him too
[21:17] <Myrtti> hohum, powercut
[21:17] <jutnux> Fixed it.
[21:17] <popey> my lights have been flickering tonight
[21:18] <jutnux> We scarcely get powercuts here
[21:20] <jutnux> Need to redo the splash page of my homepage, any ideas anyone? Much appreciated :-)
[21:21] <jutnux> At the moment I just have a fake terminal that doesn't even type anything, took me 2 minutes as I didn't have much time to do it.
[21:23] <zleap> it seems to be quiet in here tonight
[21:24] <popey> some of us are working :D
[21:24] <Myrtti> I'm just enjoying my Harry Potter
[21:25] <jutnux> Book or Film Myrtti ?
[21:25] <ali1234> hmmmm
[21:26] <zleap> ok
[21:26] <Myrtti> films now that I've finished the books, was just looking at the extras of Chamber of Secrets on Bluray
[21:26] <jutnux> Films are amazing but the books are better. How did you find them?
[21:26] <ali1234> if you tell wipe to wipe a 400GB disk, it says it will take 12 weeks
[21:27] <zleap> lol
[21:27] <Myrtti> jutnux: books are marvellous, I'm not sure if I've seen other than the first one before
[21:27] <ali1234> the quick mode takes 1 week
[21:27] <zleap> ali1234, well start now and it should be done in time for 12.04 :)
[21:27] <Myrtti> ali1234: how about shred?
[21:27] <ali1234> shred is for files?
[21:27] <jutnux> Myrtti: I've started reading the "Hunger Games".
[21:27] <jutnux> Completely amazing.
[21:33] <Myrtti> sorry, got a power cut again
[21:33] <Myrtti> ali1234: for harddrives
[21:36] <ali1234> shred seems a lot more sensible
[21:36] <ali1234> should be done in about 3 hours
[21:42] <Myrtti> this isn't fun anymore
[21:45] <zleap> hi issyl0
[22:21] <gord> upgraded to precice and am getting as good a battery life as i get in windows, fan isn't even spinning and the entire machine is cold, what a wonderful release precice will be :D
[22:22] <bigcalm> Right, that's it
[22:22] <gord> battery indicator says 10:37 in it now
[22:22] <bigcalm> I'm buying an SSD for the laptop and Precise is going on it!
[22:23] <bigcalm> But I will wait until pay day next week
[22:23] <gord> waiting for pay day is so boring, roll the dice!
[22:23] <bigcalm> ;)
[22:24] <bigcalm> That's how I got into a spot of debt
[22:25] <bigcalm> Now the only things that go on my credit card are diesel, bytemark and spotify
[22:27] <bigcalm> SSD prices aren't coming down as quickly as I'd like them to
[22:27] <bigcalm> Will 60gb be enough?
[22:27] <gord> i run my desktop on a 60gb ssd, mostly eaten up by music
[22:28] <bigcalm> I have a 60gb ssd in my desktop but it only has ubuntu on it
[22:28] <bigcalm> Laptop needs to run win7 as well
[22:30] <gord> windows like to eat hard drive space
[22:30] <zleap> where ssd prices affected bythe japanese earthquake lilke hdd prices were
[22:30] <zleap> gord not to mention bank balance
[22:30] <zleap> where = were
[22:53] <gord> this might be the creepiest thing i have seen in a good while http://inicons.com/
[22:55] <bigcalm> Oh my
[22:56] <gord> wonder if it comes with small plastic idevices for you to put in its hands
[22:57] <bigcalm> Good photos
[23:12] <bigcalm> popey: not the cuddliest of pups :)
[23:13] <aquarius> I have a stupid hard drives question
[23:13] <aquarius> if I take a hard drive from one laptop, it'll work in another one, right?
[23:13] <bigcalm> Ready for a stupid answer? :)
[23:14] <hamitron> maybe
[23:14] <bigcalm> Modern machine? Should do
[23:14] <hamitron> ;)
[23:14] <aquarius> why might it not work?
[23:14] <AlanBell> aquarius: yes, hardware detection is pretty good
[23:14] <aquarius> (I am assuming they're the same physical size, here, of course :))
[23:14] <bigcalm> Same interface?
[23:14] <hamitron> and not ide
[23:14] <mgdm> aquarius: it'll only not work if there's a fault. Or if the connector is wrong. :-)
[23:14] <bigcalm> SATA not IDE?
[23:14] <aquarius> pretty sure they'll both be ide
[23:14] <mgdm> aquarius: if it's Linux, it even stands a fair chance of booting on different hardware
[23:14] <aquarius> both fairly old laptops
[23:14] <bigcalm> Ug
[23:15] <bigcalm> Ah
[23:15] <bigcalm> Still a standard size
[23:15] <aquarius> mother in law has a screwed hdd
[23:15] <aquarius> so I'm gonna pull the one from another laptop (which is fucked, but the HDD's OK) and put that in instead and then install ubuntu on it ;)
[23:15] <mgdm> should be fine
[23:15] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[23:15] <mgdm> <-- been there, done that
[23:15] <aquarius> but that assumes that, y'know, hard drives work
[23:16] <aquarius> oops. cheers, bigcalm, forgot that :)
[23:16] <bigcalm> No worries dude :)
[23:16] <bigcalm> I forget which channel I'm in at times
[23:16] <mgdm> aquarius: I gather you're in Scotland in April - see you there :-)
[23:16] <aquarius> although honestly you have no idea what a terrible state the second laptop is in. It doesn't have a space bar, for example :P
[23:16] <hamitron> may want to check power requirement too, if the laptops are very different
[23:16] <aquarius> hamitron, aha, you see, this is the sort of thing I don't understand, which is why I'm asking the question
[23:16] <aquarius> one's an HP and one's a Dell, if that helps :P
[23:17] <aquarius> mgdm, I am indeed!
[23:17] <mgdm> chances are it'll be OK
[23:17] <hamitron> or you could just ignore me, and it will probably work anyway
[23:17] <hamitron> like mgdm said
[23:17] <hamitron> :)
[23:17] <bigcalm> aquarius: you can but try :)
[23:17] <aquarius> what's the worst that can happen?
[23:17] <hamitron> meltdown
[23:17] <aquarius> !
[23:17] <aquarius> really>?
[23:17] <hamitron> house fire
[23:17] <bigcalm> You're not too attached to your eyebrows are you?
[23:18] <hamitron> and that lights up the whole street
[23:18] <aquarius> oi, don't wind me up. I don't know about this stuff. :)
[23:18] <bigcalm> aquarius: best nip to the pub 1st I'd say
[23:18] <bigcalm> aquarius: you're not in danger of anything silly happening
[23:18] <aquarius> good, OK then :)
[23:19] <bigcalm> Even if the power were wired up the wrong way (which it won't be, that's what standards are for), power supplies in laptops have fuses to prevent bad things
[23:19] <mgdm> even better, take the laptops, screwdrivers, and a Ubuntu boot medium to the pub and do it there ;-)
[23:19]  * hamitron was just been his usual "optimistic" self
[23:19] <bigcalm> I agree with mgdm, it's the only way
[23:19]  * aquarius laughs
[23:19] <aquarius> my daughter's asleep upstairs. No pub for me!
[23:20] <bigcalm> Shame
[23:20] <bigcalm> And on that note, I think it's time to have a bottle of HPA :D
[23:20] <hamitron> hpa?
[23:20] <aquarius> nice blonde ale
[23:21] <bigcalm> Hereford Pale Ale
[23:21]  * hamitron prefers brunette
[23:21] <bigcalm> It's what I opt for if I find it on tap
[23:21] <bigcalm> Was given a case of 12 for xmas :D
[23:21] <bigcalm> There are 5 left
[23:21] <mgdm> nice
[23:22]  * mgdm got a bottle of Highland Park, which is as yet unopened
[23:22] <mgdm> this might change
[23:22] <bigcalm> :)
[23:22]  * hamitron has coffee
[23:22] <hamitron> and cake
[23:22] <aquarius> blimey, it's a bit late to start on whisky.
[23:22] <mgdm> it's never too early/late for that.
[23:22] <mgdm> (also I only want one ;-)
[23:23] <aquarius> ah, right. I'm not good at having one, which is why I don't drink at home much :)
[23:23] <hamitron> it isn't midnight yet, so early for all the late night social misfits that hang around here..... ;)
[23:25] <bigcalm> aquarius: and this is why you are so much fun in the mornings after oggcamp et al ;)
[23:50] <czajkowski> aquarius: areyou beering and dismanting harddrives, surely this is not  a wise combination
[23:51] <aquarius> no beer, just hard drives
[23:52] <czajkowski> aquarius: wise
[23:53] <hamitron> sensible+boring
[23:53] <hamitron> ;/
[23:53] <aquarius> I'm operating on limited knowledge, here. Hardware is about sixty-three abstraction layers below what I do. Having a beer in the other hand is only gonna make things worse. :)
[23:54] <czajkowski> aquarius: you're getting sensible in your old age
[23:55] <czajkowski> aquarius: who triages  U1 bugs?
[23:55] <aquarius> I know. It's a weakness. I shall make up for it next week.
[23:55] <aquarius> czajkowski, rye or duanedesign or whoever gets there first
[23:55] <czajkowski> aquarius: where you off to next week ?
[23:55] <aquarius> CES
[23:56] <czajkowski> fancy