[00:39] <ShawnR__> hello
[00:40] <ShawnR__> anyone here have luck with installing nvidia optimus drivers in 11.10? i'm only running on intel right now, can't seem to figure it out
[00:42] <ShawnR__> or is optimus still not supported?
[00:46] <govatent> I don't think it's supported yet. 
[00:46] <govatent> I heard they are working on it. 
[00:46] <govatent> But I don't know 100 percent. I sat in on a session about it at UDS. 
[00:47] <govatent> I was told to avoid optimus for now. Can  you set it to nvidia only in the bios? 
[00:49] <ShawnR__> i haven't checked that in bios, i'll take a look and see
[00:49] <ShawnR__> i was really excited about this laptop, but i thought the issue was hot switching, not NOT being able to use the nvidia at all :/
[00:49] <ShawnR__> would be nicer than the built in intel video
[00:50] <ShawnR__> this laptop is great in windows, but the elantech touchpad is super senative and not configurable much (elantech mousepads are just about as supported as optimus)
[00:50] <ShawnR__> that's a /fail on my end... but it was too nice of a price on the laptop to pass up
[00:55] <govatent> I think you can set it for nvidia only. you just lose the nice power savings from the intel card. 
[00:55] <ShawnR__> nope :(
[00:55] <ShawnR__> not on this one
[00:56] <ShawnR__> i might be on asus's website right now looking for a bios update though... lol
[00:56] <govatent> oh i saw it on a thinkpad i was working with 
[00:56] <ShawnR__> this bios is really limited in features :(
[00:56] <govatent> I just found out what a grave mistake I made with my mac. they seem to have a power problem. I feel like such an idiot right now. 
[00:56] <ShawnR__> i was expecting a LOT more from ASUS
[00:56] <ShawnR__> well, the grave mistake was thinking mac would be cool
[00:57] <govatent> I was not going for cool. 
[00:57] <govatent> i was going for i hope it wont fall apart like my last laptop did 
[00:57] <govatent> :P
[00:57] <ShawnR__> lol
[00:57] <ShawnR__> which one was your last one?
[00:58] <govatent> a 5 year old toshiba. Mobo was one amazing board. - the crummy gpu. but the casing was utter rubbish 
[00:58] <ShawnR__> oh, well, i've never been pleased with toshiba
[00:58] <ShawnR__> their P4 HT (desktop CPU in a laptop) blue cases were the worst design for heat and a really bad CPU for a bad thermal design
[00:59] <govatent> the mac has been good so far. Owned it about a month. waiting for 12.04 or gonna run gentoo. but that aside, I just noticed a few mins ago there is a power problem when under a heavy load 
[00:59] <ShawnR__> i also couldn't stand the ones for a while where toshiba put the ~ key left of the space bar and Del was where the context menu button is and the windows key was up where delete was
[00:59] <govatent> yea i remember that
[00:59] <ShawnR__> hmm
[00:59] <ShawnR__> i really just don't like their keys and touchpads
[01:00] <ShawnR__> if not for that, i was very envious of the macbook air
[01:00] <govatent> i just got my dad an asus for the holidays. and i agree. very limited bios options. although great ubuntu machine 
[01:00] <ShawnR__> if i wanted a smaller screen, that newer asus super thin one is REALLY nice
[01:00] <govatent> but this is just an i5 and intel only gpu 
[01:01] <ShawnR__> yeah, i5 myself here, it is a company laptop and couldn't justify to myself getting an i7 (my father's company, don't want to take advantage)
[01:01] <govatent> I really wanted a system76. but there was no way it was in my budget. next laptop for sure will be a 76. or whatever the major linux laptop maker will be at the time. 
[01:01] <ShawnR__> never heard of system76
[01:01] <govatent> oh man look em up 
[01:01] <ShawnR__> built with HW in mind specifically for linux?
[01:01] <govatent> they make ubuntu computers 
[01:01] <govatent> ill link you
[01:01] <ShawnR__> nice
[01:01] <ShawnR__> thanks
[01:01] <govatent> http://www.system76.com/
[01:01] <mhall119> govatent: zareason is the other big Ubuntu maker
[01:02] <govatent> I kind of wanna return the mac now cause of this power issue. but not sure i can cause of the discount i got. 
[01:02] <govatent> it works fine. i just don't know if this will be a major issue down the road 
[01:02] <govatent> and thanks for that info mhall119
[01:03] <govatent> ShawnR__: the reason i did not get the system76 was lack of financing options. 
[01:04] <govatent> I am glad i did not use my credit card for it. they have been killing me with interest now. 
[01:04] <ShawnR__> i was about to say without the winders license, should be cheaper and def. cheaper than a mac
[01:04] <ShawnR__> i needed a windows license in case i needed windows for work (crossing my fingers i never will)
[01:04] <govatent> I got 25% off the mac price. 
[01:04] <govatent> and one year to pay it off
[01:04] <ShawnR__> nice
[01:05] <govatent> i have a friend at apple 
[01:05] <ShawnR__> so you only paid $1500? lol (just kidding.... kinda)
[01:05] <govatent> :P more like 1430 lmao 
[01:05] <ShawnR__> wow, i was close :)
[01:05] <govatent> lenovo was near the same price but 6 months to pay it off 
[01:06] <ShawnR__> you coulda got a new credit card and did a balance transfer with a year no interest and got a system76 and for cheaper :P
[01:06] <govatent> damit!!!
[01:06] <ShawnR__> sure that would be a lot of work, but worth it, eh?
[01:06] <govatent> very much so !
[01:06] <ShawnR__> i mean, not that i've vever done that before or anything
[01:06] <govatent> i think that would work. 
[01:07] <govatent> i had not thought of that 
[01:07] <ShawnR__> yeah, so long as your credit is good, find a good "Balance transfer" deal
[01:07] <ShawnR__> buy it on your old CC, then balance transfer to the new one
[01:07] <govatent> yea. school loans have not kicked into my name yet... :P
[01:09] <govatent> Wish I had thought of that option before i got the mac. 
[01:09] <govatent> well can't have any regrets now 
[01:10] <balloons> govatent, what kind of mac you get?
[01:11] <govatent> I got the current gen 15" with quad i7 2.2 with 4 gb of ram. i swapped the hdd for a 7200 rpm. the problem i am having seems to be on most models though. 
[01:11] <govatent> I think it might have something to do with osx sucking though :P 
[01:12] <ShawnR__> lol
[01:12] <balloons> i have the early 2011 model, 17 inch
[01:13] <balloons> i'm guessing you got the hw updated one
[01:13] <balloons> some folks have done a ton of work on making them work nicely in ubuntu..
[01:13] <balloons> including things like efi booting and using vga switcheroo
[01:14] <balloons> just not for the faint of heart. I'm guessing Precise+1 will have very nice support for everything. Precise does everything out of the box on mine now, minus the fancy efi botting
[01:15] <govatent> I already tried the alpha 
[01:15] <govatent> so far its amazing! 
[01:15] <govatent> not sure where we will be with the dual gpu. but i don't mind using just the amd one 
[01:15] <balloons> it was not so cool on natty
[01:16] <govatent> i actually got 11.10 running 
[01:16] <govatent> its not tough 
[01:16] <govatent> but unlike in 12.04 you must do a lot of things by hand 
[01:16] <govatent> much so for the wifi 
[01:16] <balloons> well, if your adventerous at this point you can efi boot and set intel only graphics (on mine anyway), thereby matching the mac os x battery life
[01:17] <govatent> i did the efi boot. i just got a black screen. it was having issues with the dual gpu stuff. 
[01:17] <govatent> i guess
[01:18] <govatent> with mbr based boot everything worked fine. just no access to the intel gpu 
[01:18] <govatent> i think dual gpus is just something that is being worked on even outside of the mac setups 
[01:19] <balloons> govatent, yes your right.. not much support anywhere as of yet
[01:19] <govatent> have you had issues with your laptop showing not charging when under heavy load? 
[01:19] <balloons> no, no power issues I'm aware of
[01:19] <govatent> like right now mine is not charging. the mag light is green. but my battery is dead. if i kill skype it will charge just fine. 
[01:20] <balloons> it's been my primary work pc for some time
[01:20] <balloons> well.. since I got it in March :-)
[01:20] <govatent> ill have to ring apple about it i guess. don't look forward to that call 
[01:20] <balloons> this under mac?
[01:20] <govatent> ?
[01:21] <govatent> oh yea 
[01:21] <govatent> sorry i did not get what you were asking 
[01:21] <govatent> i won't be using ubuntu till 12.04 
[01:22] <govatent> or at least like a beta build 
[01:22] <balloons> gotcha.. so yea, let that wonderful apple quality care take care of the not charging issue
[01:22] <govatent> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2787732?start=0&tstart=0
[01:22] <balloons> if it's new and not working, they should fix you up ;-)
[01:23] <govatent> it just started charging randomly 
[01:23] <balloons> wow.. that's pretty neat haha
[01:23] <govatent> you should be aware of the issue in case you run into problems 
[01:24] <govatent> balloons: ping
[01:30] <balloons> sorry
[01:30] <balloons> well in my case, the laptop isn't mine
[01:31] <balloons> and I've hated it :-) But i don't have to use it anymore after tomorrow, so i'm in luck on that front
[01:32] <govatent> ah
[01:33] <balloons> i find the mac keyboards lack of essential buttons annoying and the mac os lack of sometimes basic features like window management aggravating also
[01:34] <balloons> but as usual, the build quality is bar none.. hardware is always touch noch from apple..
[01:36] <govatent> lmao
[01:42] <govatent> brb dinner calls. 
[01:42] <govatent> gonna log off for dinner to let the machine cool off. be back in a bit
[02:25] <govatent_> test
[12:52] <mhall119> dang it's cold out
[12:54] <svwilliams> 22 in gville
[12:54] <svwilliams> I saw the high in miami was upper 60's which is cold for them
[12:59] <zoopster> it's too cold
[12:59] <zoopster> and it's only 34 here
[13:01] <mhall119> 30 here
[13:01] <mhall119> well, 33 now that the sun is up
[13:01] <zoopster> it was 38 closer to the water at dawn...love that influence!
[13:02] <zoopster> still to cold no matter how you look at it
[13:02] <zoopster> or too cold even
[13:06] <svwilliams> lol
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> I was looking to get the new year started right by biking to work.
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> That's not happening.
[14:09] <maxolasersquad> I have my pride, but my sanity also.
[14:12] <maxolasersquad> It was supposed to get down to the teens last night.
[14:14] <maxolasersquad> And my crazy cat insisted on spending the night outdoors.
[14:18] <svwilliams> my dog seems to find it invigorating he goes from napping to crazy after a quick trip outdoors.  I don't think he would go in side if it were for the fact that we live in a condo and I'm not staying outside with thim