/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/01/04/#ubuntu-us-mi.txt

* wolfger_ pokes the channel01:13
* rick_h__ stabs back01:15
wolfger_hey rick_h__, where's the "report a bug" link on LP? I always have a devil of a time finding it01:25
wolfger_You would think it would be in plain sight on the bugs.launchpad.net page01:26
rick_h__wolfger_: it's on the ride side01:32
rick_h__always in the column on the right01:32
rick_h__wolfger_: the trick is that bugs.lp.net is just a landing page, you have to submit the bug to a specific project01:33
rick_h__so always include the /xxxx01:33
rick_h__so bugs.lp.net/launchpad or bugs.lp.net/sendoff etc01:33
wolfger_got it. Thanks!01:34
rick_h__np01:35
wolfger_Woot. First bug filed in I don't know how long.01:39
wolfger_Wait.... am I actually happy I just got bit by a bug? :-p01:39
tjagodaThe only bugs I file come from that auto popup which does all the work for me.01:39
snap-lEvening01:39
wolfger_tjagoda <-- lazy01:39
tjagodaI feel undereducated at manually reporting bugs01:40
tjagodaLike when I used to have to manually pick the package?  Oh god.01:40
wolfger_so if anybody cares to install python-wxglade and comment on the bug... It segfaults on me.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxglade/+bug/91155401:47
tjagodaI am very glad I did not participate in alphas before I had cable01:52
wolfger_lulz -> http://goo.gl/nrT7b02:12
wolfger_tl;dr "swap is slow, so I'm going to use my RAM as a swap partition"02:13
tjagodaI know a guy who uses a ramdisk to host a minecraft server.02:13
wolfger_now that makes sense02:18
jrwrenlol02:26
brouschsnap-l: you geekered me03:29
snap-lbrousch: Eh?03:43
snap-lNot sure what that means.03:43
snap-lActually, using RAM for tmp makes sense03:44
snap-lbut not for swap. That's just asking for trouble.03:44
brouschthe kubuntu CDs you sent are 32bit, but they don't say that anywhere03:44
brouschnot really your fault ;)03:45
brouschso i have to download 64bit and reinstall03:45
snap-lI'd assume that anything on CD is 32 bit, since that's the recommended variant.03:45
snap-lbrousch: Yeah, I had to download the 64 bit alternate install for my work machine03:45
snap-lCreating a USB stick via a USB stick is, entertaining.03:46
jrwrenwhy is 32bit recommended?03:46
snap-ljrwren: Honestly, I have no idea03:46
snap-lI think they figure it's backward-compatible, so if someone tries it in their 2006 era machine, it'll just work.03:46
snap-linstead of giving some cryptic incompatibilitiy message.03:47
brouschsnap-l: so how was the first day?03:47
snap-lbrousch: Had a good lunch, filled out some paperwork, and reinstalled Alternate Ubuntu too many times to try to sort out software RAID.03:48
brouschheh03:48
snap-ltomorrow should be more fine-tuning03:48
snap-lHaving to get acclimated to an office again03:48
jjesse__is that code for you forgot to wear pants to work today?03:49
snap-lSpeaking of which, going to hit the hay.03:49
snap-ljjesse__: No, fortunately I have pants03:49
=== jjesse__ is now known as jjesse
snap-ljust haven't worn them in a long while. ;)03:49
snap-lHopefully I'll be able to ssh into my home machine, or I'll be rather upset.03:49
jjesseyou figured out your key problem right?03:52
snap-ljjesse: Yeah, the problem was I created the pub/private key here03:53
snap-land not on the destination machine03:53
snap-lI think it's sorted now03:53
snap-lI'll find out tomorrow for certain, though. ;)03:54
snap-lAnywho, g'night, everyone. See you in the morning. :)03:55
jrwrensnap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2746924098.html04:07
jrwrensnap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759268167.html04:08
jrwrensnap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759280299.html04:08
wolfger_jrwren: 32-bit is recommended because it works better. Case in point: my wifi now works flawlessly (after reformatting a fubar 64-bit install and putting 32-bit in)07:26
=== lotia_ is now known as lotia
WolfgerGood morning party people12:08
snap-ljrwren: The only thing in that lot that I'd be interested in is the Percom Happy Drive for the Atari. ;)12:19
snap-lBah, that's no the Happy drive. but still...12:20
rick_h__ morning12:26
snap-lMorning12:27
WolfgerHappy Drive?12:34
WolfgerDo you have to bend your 5.25" floppy to get it inserted into the smiley-face slot?12:35
nullspacemorning all13:00
rick_h__party party13:00
snap-lWolfger: No, not really. ;)13:00
snap-lhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Computers13:00
tjagodahowdy13:15
rick_h__tjagoda: multiple days in a row?13:16
tjagodaConsider it a belated Christmas present!13:25
snap-lhuzzah!13:37
WolfgerHis Blackberry must be on the fritz ;-)13:45
rick_h__oh man, we owe tjagoda so much blackberry fun13:46
snap-lSpeaking of BB, apparently the Playbook is on clearance.13:46
snap-l$400 off13:46
rick_h__back taxes so to say13:46
snap-lThat almost puts it within give-a-damn range.13:46
nullspaceyou can apperently run some android apps on it13:49
tjagodaNot yet you cant13:49
tjagoda=(13:49
nullspacebut seeing as it lacks an SD reader it doesn't exist to me13:49
tjagodaThat patch has been in limbo for like 8000 years13:49
nullspacetjagoda: if you root it I heard you could13:49
WolfgerSomebody still uses SD?13:49
tjagodaI actually love the Blackberry OS on it13:50
nullspaceyeah my SLR does13:50
tjagodawhat it does, it does very well13:50
Wolfgernullspace: that's what USB cables are for...13:50
tjagodathey've just been really really slow at patching more features into it13:50
nullspaceWolfger: I have this image of your house looking like the borg took it over13:51
nullspaceI hates cables and dongles13:51
snap-lnullspace: I hate latency. :)13:51
snap-lThat said, if I can make something wireless without too much trouble, I will13:52
snap-l(too much trouble == mice, computers in other rooms with no obvious drops, etc)13:52
nullspacenot sure how taking a sd card out of a slr and dropping it into a tablet has anything to latency13:52
Wolfgernullspace: I try to get everything on one cable. Micro-USB. So far my work cell, personal cell, and Kindle all use it. And I rarely need more than one device plugged in at a time.13:52
Wolfgerwhen I get a new camera, I'll look for a camera that takes micro USB too.13:52
tjagodaAll my blackberry stuff uses Mini USB13:53
brouschi just dropbox things to my phone and nookcolor13:53
snap-lnullspace: Um, why would you want to take photos from a SLR and put them in a tablet?13:53
tjagodaI live on Mini USB13:53
WolfgerOne cable to rule them all, one cable to bind them13:53
nullspacenot sure why anyone would want to plug their camera into their laptop13:53
snap-lnullspace: Because it's their primary machine? :)13:53
snap-lnot everyone lives on beige boxes13:54
tjagodathe planet revolves around my lap/desktop13:54
nullspacesnap-l: to see if I need to retake them, the lcd on a slr is tiny and someit's hard to tell if it's in focus13:54
snap-lor some painted version thereof.13:54
nullspacesnap-l: take the card out of the camera, saves battery13:54
snap-lnullspace: I'd trust a laptop screen over a tablet screen13:54
nullspaceI'm poor and13:54
nullspaceI still have a 5lb laptop13:54
brouschhow about one of those eyefi things?13:55
Wolfgersnap-l: even a tablet with Retina (R) Display? ;-)13:55
rick_h__they still make mini usb?13:55
snap-lYe gads, that's hardly ideal. :)13:55
tjagodaI want to punch people in the face here when they complain about the weight of their 17 inch laptops13:55
tjagodaNO CRAP DUDE13:55
nullspaceI trust a RAID 5 over a single drive but I'm not carrying one around13:55
snap-lWolfger: Especially a tablet with retina display.13:55
nullspacesnap-l: you have your ideals and I have mine13:56
snap-lmine are better. :)13:56
nullspacealso there is no built in sd port in my laptop13:56
snap-lnullspace: Ouch, what monstrosity are you carrying?13:56
nullspace1024x768 vs 1440x900 not really that big of a diff there13:57
snap-lEven my lowly Thinkpad X120E has a SD slot13:57
nullspacesnap-l: yeah I have a mortage to pay so I still have my t6113:57
nullspacea laptop upgrade is likely not going to happen even if this dies13:58
snap-lI could loan you a Sandisk SD USB reader.13:58
snap-lThey're pretty handy, IMHO13:58
nullspaceI have usb SD readers13:58
nullspaceit's just another thing to carry13:58
snap-lYeah, I guess.13:59
tjagodaI just carry a mobile darkroom with me when I need to take pictures.13:59
nullspacetjagoda: still using film eh?14:00
rick_h__http://t.co/qN3XS9k7www.youtube.com/watch?v=ginQNMiRu2w is really cool14:01
rick_h__<3 the music part since I'm a Zimmer fan and have the soundtrack14:01
nullspacewhat's this video of?14:01
rick_h__the creator of inception about the movie @Google14:02
tjagodaI just spent $600 on college textbooks.14:04
tjagoda=(14:05
rick_h__ouch, I remember those days14:05
Wolfgerugh14:05
brouschtjagoda: what are you studying?14:05
tjagodaFour classes14:06
snap-ltjagoda: Ouch.14:06
tjagodaIts the semester of hell14:06
tjagodaJava programming, Calculus for Business Applications, Management & Leadership, and Organizational Psychology14:07
tjagodaI dread the calculus.14:07
snap-lI had no end of troubl ewith Calculus. Have you taken Physics?14:07
rick_h__calc wasn't bad, calc 2 threw me for a bit though14:08
snap-lyeah, I squeaked by in Calc 214:08
Wolfgercalc sucked14:08
Wolfgerbut when I took Technical Calculus, I think I got a B+ or an A... It was much easier to grasp14:09
brouschcalc is a big reason i have an anthropology degree14:09
snap-lbrousch: hah14:09
nullspacecalc2 is weed out class IIRC14:10
nullspacecalc 3 was justa  bitch, hyperbolic sine integration14:10
tjagodaI have no use to this maths.14:12
tjagodaHopefully its like my last math class with a lazy professor that gives A's on everything14:12
rick_h__meh, even my wife did calc I for non-match majors. And she can't do math14:12
rick_h__I mean...doing 48/6 is like watching a 386 do factorials14:13
tjagodahttp://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=129062814:15
tjagodaThat is encouraging14:15
tjagodaI like when I get professors used to teaching the lower newbie maths14:16
tjagodabecause it means they're conditioned to be incredibly forgiving14:16
tjagoda"Great teacher. you have to be a complete retard to fail his class."14:17
tjagodaCHALLENGE ACCEPTED.14:17
nullspacenice, I think I've manged to totally hose my audio14:23
nullspacefing pulse audio14:24
tjagodaMy audio likes to crackle in ubuntu.14:30
tjagodaIt doesn't wake up from powersave correctly.14:30
nullspaceI thought you had a system7614:37
brouschmy audio is perfect on this latitude d63014:39
tjagodaEven on the system76 it sometimes happens14:40
nullspaceso who is running 12.04 beta?14:42
nullspaceI'm disenchanted with 11.1014:42
jcastrome14:43
jcastrobut it's not much different from 11.1014:43
brousch11.10 r0x14:44
brouschkubuntu14:45
brouschexcept for the crazy ram usage14:45
tjagodaNobody, because 12.04 beta doesn't exist ;D14:45
tjagodaAlpha 1 ftw14:45
tjagodaBut yeah, 11.10 is not happytimes14:46
tjagodaHard locks my system at random intervals.14:46
nullspaceI'm running xfce on the main box, and gnome/unity on the lappy. I've given unity a second chance and I am not a fan14:47
tjagodaI want to rewind to gnome 2.214:47
tjagodaNot so much a fan of this unified user interface trend14:48
nullspacenah xfce with nautilius14:48
jcastrohah14:48
tjagodaGnome 2.2 made sense to me because of my years of errant conditioning14:48
brouschi set up my kde panels just like gnome 2. it's a beautiful thing14:50
tjagodaAlthough unity seems like its improving, I'll give it that14:50
nullspacethough I am intriuged by the work on features with pulse audio that were removed in 11.1014:50
tjagodaDefinitely better than the terror that is Gnome 314:50
tjagodaI just miss my top panel with always there buttons and the old school windows style trays14:51
brouschmy problem with xfce is that it would not suspend and coming out of hibernate took like 5 minutes14:51
tjagodaThis is probably where I shout get off my lawn14:51
tjagodaI hate you brousch.14:53
tjagodaLooking at KDE.14:53
brouschwhy for?14:53
tjagodaDo you have any idea how long I've maintained an anti-KDE diplomatic dispute with Wolfger?! =P14:54
nullspacejcastro: any idea if there are going to bring back the pulse audio remote server feature?14:55
nullspaceI know it was horrible but curious if they see any hope14:55
jcastrowhat's the remote server feature?14:55
brouschtjagoda: i also used to consider it a jumbled mess14:55
nullspacebasically one machine could pipe audio to another machine14:55
jcastrooh14:55
jcastrothat's there14:56
jcastroare you sure you're not missing a package?14:56
jcastroI just set that up the other day14:56
nullspacereally?14:56
jcastroyeah14:56
nullspacewhat doc did you follow?14:56
jcastrois the paprefs installed14:56
jcastrobut greyed out?14:56
nullspaceyeah14:56
jcastrooh dude14:56
jcastroone sec14:56
jcastroI just found out why14:56
brouschtjagoda: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot10.png14:57
nullspacethough I made some changes to un grey out the features14:57
jcastrohttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paprefs/+bug/82905114:57
jcastroit's a  symlink14:57
nullspaceyeah I did that14:58
jcastroit was fixed14:58
jcastroand then broke again14:58
jcastroand then no body changed the bug back to "it's broken"14:58
jcastro#24 is what worked for me14:58
tjagodabrousch: that is beauty14:58
nullspacebut I can't install padevchooser14:59
tjagodaI like the bottom panel.14:59
tjagodaA bottom panel like that is what I miss most from unity.14:59
nullspacehow am I suppose to select a sound server15:00
tjagodabrousch: what KDE version is that?15:01
jcastroin the sound settings15:01
jcastrothe server just shows up as an output device.15:01
brouschtjagoda: whatever is in 11.10. i spent about 30 mins adding panels and moving stuff where it should be15:01
tjagodaI wonder if it will hardlock and crash less on the kubuntu side of the pond.15:02
nullspacejcastro: will it only work in 12.04 ?15:03
jcastroI tested it in 12.04 but it's the same as in 11.1015:03
jcastrothat dropdown has been there for like 2 years15:03
nullspacehmm nothing popping up on the output15:03
jcastroping me later and I'll bring my laptop out15:04
jcastrogotta get this stuff finished today15:04
brouschtjagoda: i have had one crash in the last two or three weeks i've been running this. my big problem is that i keep running out of ram despite having 4GB. firefox and chrome seem to use more ram under kde.15:09
tjagodaI think I have 6GB in the lappy at home15:11
tjagodaI like that swtiching between desktop environments is as (theoretically) simple as apt-get15:12
brouschi currently have unity, gnome shell, kubuntu, and xubuntu on here15:16
Wolfgertjagoda: welcome to the K side :-)15:17
Wolfgerbrousch: You should make your KDE config accessible. I like your setup.15:18
brouschhow do i do that?15:19
tjagodaYou have to use force lightning, and gain dark side points15:20
tjagoda=(15:20
brouschis that some game reference?15:20
Wolfgerbrousch: I dunno. I was hoping you'd know15:20
brousch:P15:21
WolfgerMaybe I'll look around in ~/.kde tonight and see if I can figure out what file you need to send me :-)15:21
nullspaceI got pax11publish to push audio to the server15:30
WolfgerHuh... downvoting on AskUbuntu decreases your own reputation?15:32
snap-lIt can15:35
WolfgerI kinda like that, actually. Make people think before they bash.15:38
nullspacesounds like it's recompressing to audio and lowering the bitrate...gah15:49
krondorbrousch:  makes sense that chrome and FF would use more ram, GTK libraries.15:51
brouschbut i have pidgin, chrome, and FF running. wouldn't they share libraries?15:57
krondorthey should share, but do you see anything odd in FF when you do about:memory ?16:03
brouschit is all odd since i have never looked at it16:04
brouschvsize is 1.4GB16:05
krondorwhat's resident?16:06
krondorvsize includes shared memory maps16:07
krondorresident is what only FF is using16:07
brousch366MB16:08
brouschi have half a dozen pages open16:08
krondordoesn't sound bad, I'm at 450MB with 15 tabs in Unity at the moment.16:09
krondorchrome://memory-redirect will give you similar details16:10
krondorYou'll want to note the Memory: Private column.16:11
brousch862MB16:12
brouschgeez, gmail is using 212MB by itself16:12
brouschgoogle reader 17216:12
tjagodabrousch: Opinions on new gmail interface?16:14
brouschi don't mind it in compact mode16:14
krondoryeah some websites are heavier hitters than others by far16:17
krondorI kind of like the new gmail interface, but only in compact mode.. too much whitespace otherwise16:17
snap-lWhat's the current wisdom for setting up dual monitors for nvidia cards?16:25
snap-lie: do I save an xorg.conf file or not?16:25
rick_h__don't they have a fancy app for that?16:25
krondornvidia-settings apps16:27
krondorI usually end up hand editing because my laptop gpu sucks and is super picky on docking/undocking with dual monitor.16:28
snap-lThey do, but if I save the xorg.conf file, it gets pissy with me.16:30
WolfgerNew Gmail is larger than old Gmail, even in "compact mode". Too much wasted space.16:34
tjagodaagree16:37
tjagodahttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html16:41
tjagodaDidn't know Mint has passed up Ubuntu in the top distrowatch16:41
tjagoda...who do we have to kill?16:41
rick_h__tjagoda: heh, so it was found that it was scripted16:42
rick_h__I believe16:42
rick_h__it's purely based on hits to the page and that's easy to automate16:42
tjagodaahhhh16:42
rick_h__not that I'm biased or anything :)16:42
* Wolfger plots to script up a Gentoo victory16:46
tjagodaI plan to make a blank page the top linux distro.16:48
tjagoda=P16:48
widox_krondor: do you have an automated way to switch monitor configs when docking/undocking?16:50
widox_I currently use the nvidia tool, but I hvae to re-do everything I un/dock16:50
widox_evertime*16:50
=== widox_ is now known as widox
nullspacewidox: any luck with xrandr?16:56
widoxnullspace: negative, doesn't want to work with nvidia16:58
nullspacesucks16:58
tjagodaI think krondor said he just manually edits files16:59
snap-lgah, having trouble with Google Chrome's launcher.17:09
rick_h__snap-l: chrome's launcher?17:29
snap-lUnity17:29
snap-lDoesn't seem to want to fire up Chrome17:30
rick_h__oh17:30
Wolfgerdoes it launch from cli ok?17:32
snap-lYeah, it's fine otherwise.17:33
WolfgerDiagnosis: Unity sucks. :-)17:36
Wolfgeror possibly you just need to fix the properties on the launcher17:36
snap-lYeah, it's possible.17:37
WolfgerSolution: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop17:37
snap-lsudo apt-get autoremove wolfger && sudo apt-get install syncophant17:37
Wolfgersudo apt-get purge work-day && sudo apt-get install nap-time17:45
snap-lworks for me.17:48
snap-lI wish there was a cheat code for unlimited wealth like The Sims. :)17:49
Wolfger++17:49
Wolfgerwas just discussing winning lotto tickets with a buddy of mine who works at Warren Truck. We both agreed that telling anybody you won is just a bad idea...17:50
WolfgerI said "all anybody will know is that I no longer work for Chrysler. I'll be a freelance programmer, or maybe open a brewpub."17:50
Wolfgerand of course by "freelance programmer", I really mean "unemployed and tinkering on FOSS projects"17:51
rick_h__crazy cool http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/93817:54
snap-lVery nice17:55
snap-lI hope this is a first in a very long line of exceedingly well-tested releases.17:55
rick_h__http://www.singleservecoffee.com/archives/039337.php kind of cool17:56
rick_h__I need to get some for me, the wife is using them all the time17:56
krondorwidox:  nope unfortuantely17:57
* krondor can't type17:58
WolfgerGood stuff from Shuttleworth. Of course, when he talks about quality like that, it just seems so obvious that I can only think "why hasn't it always been like this?"18:01
WolfgerThe weather report is a nifty idea... https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/18:01
snap-lWolfger: Well, likely because the tools finally matured18:01
Wolfgercoffee joulies? Hmm... not sure about that idea.18:03
rick_h__Wolfger: you ever setup a CI environment and write tests for all your code?18:04
rick_h__and then do it for a ton of projects? that's why it's not been done before18:04
jcastrorick_h__: I got a fitbit18:05
jcastroget one18:05
jcastroI need a "stop being fat jorge" buddy18:05
rick_h__jcastro: yea? I was looking at them but wasn't sure on the linux story18:05
rick_h__I wanted to get some sort of gps/heart rate thingy for workouts18:05
rick_h__jcastro: they don't work wireless right?18:06
Wolfgerrick_h__: Nope, I haven't. I'm just saying, the way Shuttleworth talks about it, it sounds like a no-brainer. I'm sure it's much more difficult to do than he makes it sound.18:06
jcastroWolfger: it's never been like that because no one has done it before to the scale we are18:06
jcastrorick_h__: it does, to the wireless base18:06
jcastrorick_h__: only gotcha is win/osx for the base, but jono's in contact with them and they say they're working on the linux support18:06
jcastroWolfger: and it's also brutally expensive18:07
rick_h__yea, I don't have anything non-linux these days18:07
rick_h__jcastro: but will watch eagerly for some way to get the data off in linux18:07
jcastronod18:08
jcastrothey have an API and stuff18:08
rick_h__nice, yea. I need something18:08
jcastroI am going to mail them and see if they would even just provide the info we need18:08
jcastroand hell, we can ask someone to write the driver18:08
snap-ljcastro: If they get Linux support, I'll gladly get one18:09
snap-lI need some motivation to get rid of my Buddah belly.18:09
nullspacethe threat of pain seems to work for most18:12
snap-lWell, yes, that is a motivation18:12
Wolfger:-)18:13
WolfgerI own that t-shirt...18:13
Wolfger(dude being chased by T-Rex, caption: "EXERCISE: Some motivation required"18:13
Wolfgerfitbit costs $100? It looks like a glorified pedometer...18:37
rick_h__Wolfger: with internet upload and pretty charts :)18:38
nullspacebah I'm sure my phone has a app the does the same thing18:39
rick_h__and did you phone cost > $100?18:40
nullspaceit's already bought18:40
nullspaceoh hey free fitbit app18:41
WolfgerThe 80's have ruined my brain. Here we are in 2012, and still every time somebody says something about "pushing it", I get Salt'n'Peppa singing in my head.18:48
Wolfgersnap-l: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/04/the-black-keys-nickelback-helping-to-kill-rock/?hpt=hp_bn419:00
nullspacenice19:12
krondorcleaning my home office yesterday, I think I found 2 full CD stacks of burned linux isos.  Ubuntu 5.10, RedHat 7, ugh.19:19
krondorreminds me I should install from usb key more often (though in earlier days that wasn't so simple)19:19
rick_h__usb sticks ftw19:19
nullspacekrondor: iodd ftw19:28
krondornullspace, iodd looks neat.  Hadn't seen this.19:33
nullspacethere is a member of i3 or former member that is a regional sales distributor19:35
nullspaceyou can skip on shipping costs19:36
nullspaceI think it's melstav19:36
tjagodawoot19:43
tjagodamy Oreilly loot19:43
Wolfgerdidn't you buy it yesterday?19:52
tjagodaYes19:53
WolfgerWhy did it take so long to receive e-books?19:53
WolfgerDon't tell me you're a tree murderer...19:53
Wolfger;-)19:53
tjagodaI murder trees for Oreilly19:55
tjagodaHate tech ebooks19:55
snap-lYou just haven't found the right ebook reader. :)20:03
rick_h__DX!20:04
rick_h__spent time reading my social network data book in pdf form on there last night20:05
tjagodamight buy the kindle for its eInk display20:06
tjagodabut I have numerous other things I would rather spend money on at present20:06
tjagodaWhat I hate passionately however is the retarded BN Nook PC program for BN College Textbooks20:06
tjagodaeTextbooks*20:06
tjagodaomg so much DRM20:07
tjagodaLost access to my course books for 4 days in a Barnes and Noble server outage20:07
tjagodaSo much nerd rage20:07
snap-ltjagoda: Yeah, frankly it's not worth it20:14
snap-lTextbooks = hardcopy20:14
snap-lat least you can sell them back for beer money when you're through20:15
snap-land frankly, most text books are shit.20:15
tjagodayep20:16
tjagodaafkhome20:19
krondorgmail compact script to improve whitespace in the new theme (per the scrollback) http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/11723420:57

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