[01:13] * wolfger_ pokes the channel [01:15] * rick_h__ stabs back [01:25] hey rick_h__, where's the "report a bug" link on LP? I always have a devil of a time finding it [01:26] You would think it would be in plain sight on the bugs.launchpad.net page [01:32] wolfger_: it's on the ride side [01:32] always in the column on the right [01:33] wolfger_: the trick is that bugs.lp.net is just a landing page, you have to submit the bug to a specific project [01:33] so always include the /xxxx [01:33] so bugs.lp.net/launchpad or bugs.lp.net/sendoff etc [01:34] got it. Thanks! [01:35] np [01:39] Woot. First bug filed in I don't know how long. [01:39] Wait.... am I actually happy I just got bit by a bug? :-p [01:39] The only bugs I file come from that auto popup which does all the work for me. [01:39] Evening [01:39] tjagoda <-- lazy [01:40] I feel undereducated at manually reporting bugs [01:40] Like when I used to have to manually pick the package? Oh god. [01:47] so if anybody cares to install python-wxglade and comment on the bug... It segfaults on me. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wxglade/+bug/911554 [01:52] I am very glad I did not participate in alphas before I had cable [02:12] lulz -> http://goo.gl/nrT7b [02:13] tl;dr "swap is slow, so I'm going to use my RAM as a swap partition" [02:13] I know a guy who uses a ramdisk to host a minecraft server. [02:18] now that makes sense [02:26] lol [03:29] snap-l: you geekered me [03:43] brousch: Eh? [03:43] Not sure what that means. [03:44] Actually, using RAM for tmp makes sense [03:44] but not for swap. That's just asking for trouble. [03:44] the kubuntu CDs you sent are 32bit, but they don't say that anywhere [03:45] not really your fault ;) [03:45] so i have to download 64bit and reinstall [03:45] I'd assume that anything on CD is 32 bit, since that's the recommended variant. [03:45] brousch: Yeah, I had to download the 64 bit alternate install for my work machine [03:46] Creating a USB stick via a USB stick is, entertaining. [03:46] why is 32bit recommended? [03:46] jrwren: Honestly, I have no idea [03:46] I think they figure it's backward-compatible, so if someone tries it in their 2006 era machine, it'll just work. [03:47] instead of giving some cryptic incompatibilitiy message. [03:47] snap-l: so how was the first day? [03:48] brousch: Had a good lunch, filled out some paperwork, and reinstalled Alternate Ubuntu too many times to try to sort out software RAID. [03:48] heh [03:48] tomorrow should be more fine-tuning [03:48] Having to get acclimated to an office again [03:49] is that code for you forgot to wear pants to work today? [03:49] Speaking of which, going to hit the hay. [03:49] jjesse__: No, fortunately I have pants === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [03:49] just haven't worn them in a long while. ;) [03:49] Hopefully I'll be able to ssh into my home machine, or I'll be rather upset. [03:52] you figured out your key problem right? [03:53] jjesse: Yeah, the problem was I created the pub/private key here [03:53] and not on the destination machine [03:53] I think it's sorted now [03:54] I'll find out tomorrow for certain, though. ;) [03:55] Anywho, g'night, everyone. See you in the morning. :) [04:07] snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2746924098.html [04:08] snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759268167.html [04:08] snap-l: http://annarbor.craigslist.org/sys/2759280299.html [07:26] jrwren: 32-bit is recommended because it works better. Case in point: my wifi now works flawlessly (after reformatting a fubar 64-bit install and putting 32-bit in) === lotia_ is now known as lotia [12:08] Good morning party people [12:19] jrwren: The only thing in that lot that I'd be interested in is the Percom Happy Drive for the Atari. ;) [12:20] Bah, that's no the Happy drive. but still... [12:26] morning [12:27] Morning [12:34] Happy Drive? [12:35] Do you have to bend your 5.25" floppy to get it inserted into the smiley-face slot? [13:00] morning all [13:00] party party [13:00] Wolfger: No, not really. ;) [13:00] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Computers [13:15] howdy [13:16] tjagoda: multiple days in a row? [13:25] Consider it a belated Christmas present! [13:37] huzzah! [13:45] His Blackberry must be on the fritz ;-) [13:46] oh man, we owe tjagoda so much blackberry fun [13:46] Speaking of BB, apparently the Playbook is on clearance. [13:46] $400 off [13:46] back taxes so to say [13:46] That almost puts it within give-a-damn range. [13:49] you can apperently run some android apps on it [13:49] Not yet you cant [13:49] =( [13:49] but seeing as it lacks an SD reader it doesn't exist to me [13:49] That patch has been in limbo for like 8000 years [13:49] tjagoda: if you root it I heard you could [13:49] Somebody still uses SD? [13:50] I actually love the Blackberry OS on it [13:50] yeah my SLR does [13:50] what it does, it does very well [13:50] nullspace: that's what USB cables are for... [13:50] they've just been really really slow at patching more features into it [13:51] Wolfger: I have this image of your house looking like the borg took it over [13:51] I hates cables and dongles [13:51] nullspace: I hate latency. :) [13:52] That said, if I can make something wireless without too much trouble, I will [13:52] (too much trouble == mice, computers in other rooms with no obvious drops, etc) [13:52] not sure how taking a sd card out of a slr and dropping it into a tablet has anything to latency [13:52] nullspace: I try to get everything on one cable. Micro-USB. So far my work cell, personal cell, and Kindle all use it. And I rarely need more than one device plugged in at a time. [13:52] when I get a new camera, I'll look for a camera that takes micro USB too. [13:53] All my blackberry stuff uses Mini USB [13:53] i just dropbox things to my phone and nookcolor [13:53] nullspace: Um, why would you want to take photos from a SLR and put them in a tablet? [13:53] I live on Mini USB [13:53] One cable to rule them all, one cable to bind them [13:53] not sure why anyone would want to plug their camera into their laptop [13:53] nullspace: Because it's their primary machine? :) [13:54] not everyone lives on beige boxes [13:54] the planet revolves around my lap/desktop [13:54] snap-l: to see if I need to retake them, the lcd on a slr is tiny and someit's hard to tell if it's in focus [13:54] or some painted version thereof. [13:54] snap-l: take the card out of the camera, saves battery [13:54] nullspace: I'd trust a laptop screen over a tablet screen [13:54] I'm poor and [13:54] I still have a 5lb laptop [13:55] how about one of those eyefi things? [13:55] snap-l: even a tablet with Retina (R) Display? ;-) [13:55] they still make mini usb? [13:55] Ye gads, that's hardly ideal. :) [13:55] I want to punch people in the face here when they complain about the weight of their 17 inch laptops [13:55] NO CRAP DUDE [13:55] I trust a RAID 5 over a single drive but I'm not carrying one around [13:55] Wolfger: Especially a tablet with retina display. [13:56] snap-l: you have your ideals and I have mine [13:56] mine are better. :) [13:56] also there is no built in sd port in my laptop [13:56] nullspace: Ouch, what monstrosity are you carrying? [13:57] 1024x768 vs 1440x900 not really that big of a diff there [13:57] Even my lowly Thinkpad X120E has a SD slot [13:57] snap-l: yeah I have a mortage to pay so I still have my t61 [13:58] a laptop upgrade is likely not going to happen even if this dies [13:58] I could loan you a Sandisk SD USB reader. [13:58] They're pretty handy, IMHO [13:58] I have usb SD readers [13:58] it's just another thing to carry [13:59] Yeah, I guess. [13:59] I just carry a mobile darkroom with me when I need to take pictures. [14:00] tjagoda: still using film eh? [14:01] http://t.co/qN3XS9k7www.youtube.com/watch?v=ginQNMiRu2w is really cool [14:01] <3 the music part since I'm a Zimmer fan and have the soundtrack [14:01] what's this video of? [14:02] the creator of inception about the movie @Google [14:04] I just spent $600 on college textbooks. [14:05] =( [14:05] ouch, I remember those days [14:05] ugh [14:05] tjagoda: what are you studying? [14:06] Four classes [14:06] tjagoda: Ouch. [14:06] Its the semester of hell [14:07] Java programming, Calculus for Business Applications, Management & Leadership, and Organizational Psychology [14:07] I dread the calculus. [14:07] I had no end of troubl ewith Calculus. Have you taken Physics? [14:08] calc wasn't bad, calc 2 threw me for a bit though [14:08] yeah, I squeaked by in Calc 2 [14:08] calc sucked [14:09] but when I took Technical Calculus, I think I got a B+ or an A... It was much easier to grasp [14:09] calc is a big reason i have an anthropology degree [14:09] brousch: hah [14:10] calc2 is weed out class IIRC [14:10] calc 3 was justa bitch, hyperbolic sine integration [14:12] I have no use to this maths. [14:12] Hopefully its like my last math class with a lazy professor that gives A's on everything [14:12] meh, even my wife did calc I for non-match majors. And she can't do math [14:13] I mean...doing 48/6 is like watching a 386 do factorials [14:15] http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1290628 [14:15] That is encouraging [14:16] I like when I get professors used to teaching the lower newbie maths [14:16] because it means they're conditioned to be incredibly forgiving [14:17] "Great teacher. you have to be a complete retard to fail his class." [14:17] CHALLENGE ACCEPTED. [14:23] nice, I think I've manged to totally hose my audio [14:24] fing pulse audio [14:30] My audio likes to crackle in ubuntu. [14:30] It doesn't wake up from powersave correctly. [14:37] I thought you had a system76 [14:39] my audio is perfect on this latitude d630 [14:40] Even on the system76 it sometimes happens [14:42] so who is running 12.04 beta? [14:42] I'm disenchanted with 11.10 [14:43] me [14:43] but it's not much different from 11.10 [14:44] 11.10 r0x [14:45] kubuntu [14:45] except for the crazy ram usage [14:45] Nobody, because 12.04 beta doesn't exist ;D [14:45] Alpha 1 ftw [14:46] But yeah, 11.10 is not happytimes [14:46] Hard locks my system at random intervals. [14:47] I'm running xfce on the main box, and gnome/unity on the lappy. I've given unity a second chance and I am not a fan [14:47] I want to rewind to gnome 2.2 [14:48] Not so much a fan of this unified user interface trend [14:48] nah xfce with nautilius [14:48] hah [14:48] Gnome 2.2 made sense to me because of my years of errant conditioning [14:50] i set up my kde panels just like gnome 2. it's a beautiful thing [14:50] Although unity seems like its improving, I'll give it that [14:50] though I am intriuged by the work on features with pulse audio that were removed in 11.10 [14:50] Definitely better than the terror that is Gnome 3 [14:51] I just miss my top panel with always there buttons and the old school windows style trays [14:51] my problem with xfce is that it would not suspend and coming out of hibernate took like 5 minutes [14:51] This is probably where I shout get off my lawn [14:53] I hate you brousch. [14:53] Looking at KDE. [14:53] why for? [14:54] Do you have any idea how long I've maintained an anti-KDE diplomatic dispute with Wolfger?! =P [14:55] jcastro: any idea if there are going to bring back the pulse audio remote server feature? [14:55] I know it was horrible but curious if they see any hope [14:55] what's the remote server feature? [14:55] tjagoda: i also used to consider it a jumbled mess [14:55] basically one machine could pipe audio to another machine [14:55] oh [14:56] that's there [14:56] are you sure you're not missing a package? [14:56] I just set that up the other day [14:56] really? [14:56] yeah [14:56] what doc did you follow? [14:56] is the paprefs installed [14:56] but greyed out? [14:56] yeah [14:56] oh dude [14:56] one sec [14:56] I just found out why [14:57] tjagoda: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot10.png [14:57] though I made some changes to un grey out the features [14:57] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/paprefs/+bug/829051 [14:57] it's a symlink [14:58] yeah I did that [14:58] it was fixed [14:58] and then broke again [14:58] and then no body changed the bug back to "it's broken" [14:58] #24 is what worked for me [14:58] brousch: that is beauty [14:59] but I can't install padevchooser [14:59] I like the bottom panel. [14:59] A bottom panel like that is what I miss most from unity. [15:00] how am I suppose to select a sound server [15:01] brousch: what KDE version is that? [15:01] in the sound settings [15:01] the server just shows up as an output device. [15:01] tjagoda: whatever is in 11.10. i spent about 30 mins adding panels and moving stuff where it should be [15:02] I wonder if it will hardlock and crash less on the kubuntu side of the pond. [15:03] jcastro: will it only work in 12.04 ? [15:03] I tested it in 12.04 but it's the same as in 11.10 [15:03] that dropdown has been there for like 2 years [15:03] hmm nothing popping up on the output [15:04] ping me later and I'll bring my laptop out [15:04] gotta get this stuff finished today [15:09] tjagoda: i have had one crash in the last two or three weeks i've been running this. my big problem is that i keep running out of ram despite having 4GB. firefox and chrome seem to use more ram under kde. [15:11] I think I have 6GB in the lappy at home [15:12] I like that swtiching between desktop environments is as (theoretically) simple as apt-get [15:16] i currently have unity, gnome shell, kubuntu, and xubuntu on here [15:17] tjagoda: welcome to the K side :-) [15:18] brousch: You should make your KDE config accessible. I like your setup. [15:19] how do i do that? [15:20] You have to use force lightning, and gain dark side points [15:20] =( [15:20] is that some game reference? [15:20] brousch: I dunno. I was hoping you'd know [15:21] :P [15:21] Maybe I'll look around in ~/.kde tonight and see if I can figure out what file you need to send me :-) [15:30] I got pax11publish to push audio to the server [15:32] Huh... downvoting on AskUbuntu decreases your own reputation? [15:35] It can [15:38] I kinda like that, actually. Make people think before they bash. [15:49] sounds like it's recompressing to audio and lowering the bitrate...gah [15:51] brousch: makes sense that chrome and FF would use more ram, GTK libraries. [15:57] but i have pidgin, chrome, and FF running. wouldn't they share libraries? [16:03] they should share, but do you see anything odd in FF when you do about:memory ? [16:04] it is all odd since i have never looked at it [16:05] vsize is 1.4GB [16:06] what's resident? [16:07] vsize includes shared memory maps [16:07] resident is what only FF is using [16:08] 366MB [16:08] i have half a dozen pages open [16:09] doesn't sound bad, I'm at 450MB with 15 tabs in Unity at the moment. [16:10] chrome://memory-redirect will give you similar details [16:11] You'll want to note the Memory: Private column. [16:12] 862MB [16:12] geez, gmail is using 212MB by itself [16:12] google reader 172 [16:14] brousch: Opinions on new gmail interface? [16:14] i don't mind it in compact mode [16:17] yeah some websites are heavier hitters than others by far [16:17] I kind of like the new gmail interface, but only in compact mode.. too much whitespace otherwise [16:25] What's the current wisdom for setting up dual monitors for nvidia cards? [16:25] ie: do I save an xorg.conf file or not? [16:25] don't they have a fancy app for that? [16:27] nvidia-settings apps [16:28] I usually end up hand editing because my laptop gpu sucks and is super picky on docking/undocking with dual monitor. [16:30] They do, but if I save the xorg.conf file, it gets pissy with me. [16:34] New Gmail is larger than old Gmail, even in "compact mode". Too much wasted space. [16:37] agree [16:41] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/246826/as_2012_dawns_mint_leads_the_list_of_top_linux_distros.html [16:41] Didn't know Mint has passed up Ubuntu in the top distrowatch [16:41] ...who do we have to kill? [16:42] tjagoda: heh, so it was found that it was scripted [16:42] I believe [16:42] it's purely based on hits to the page and that's easy to automate [16:42] ahhhh [16:42] not that I'm biased or anything :) [16:46] * Wolfger plots to script up a Gentoo victory [16:48] I plan to make a blank page the top linux distro. [16:48] =P [16:50] krondor: do you have an automated way to switch monitor configs when docking/undocking? [16:50] I currently use the nvidia tool, but I hvae to re-do everything I un/dock [16:50] evertime* === widox_ is now known as widox [16:56] widox: any luck with xrandr? [16:58] nullspace: negative, doesn't want to work with nvidia [16:58] sucks [16:59] I think krondor said he just manually edits files [17:09] gah, having trouble with Google Chrome's launcher. [17:29] snap-l: chrome's launcher? [17:29] Unity [17:30] Doesn't seem to want to fire up Chrome [17:30] oh [17:32] does it launch from cli ok? [17:33] Yeah, it's fine otherwise. [17:36] Diagnosis: Unity sucks. :-) [17:36] or possibly you just need to fix the properties on the launcher [17:37] Yeah, it's possible. [17:37] Solution: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop [17:37] sudo apt-get autoremove wolfger && sudo apt-get install syncophant [17:45] sudo apt-get purge work-day && sudo apt-get install nap-time [17:48] works for me. [17:49] I wish there was a cheat code for unlimited wealth like The Sims. :) [17:49] ++ [17:50] was just discussing winning lotto tickets with a buddy of mine who works at Warren Truck. We both agreed that telling anybody you won is just a bad idea... [17:50] I said "all anybody will know is that I no longer work for Chrysler. I'll be a freelance programmer, or maybe open a brewpub." [17:51] and of course by "freelance programmer", I really mean "unemployed and tinkering on FOSS projects" [17:54] crazy cool http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/938 [17:55] Very nice [17:55] I hope this is a first in a very long line of exceedingly well-tested releases. [17:56] http://www.singleservecoffee.com/archives/039337.php kind of cool [17:56] I need to get some for me, the wife is using them all the time [17:57] widox: nope unfortuantely [17:58] * krondor can't type [18:01] Good stuff from Shuttleworth. Of course, when he talks about quality like that, it just seems so obvious that I can only think "why hasn't it always been like this?" [18:01] The weather report is a nifty idea... https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/ [18:01] Wolfger: Well, likely because the tools finally matured [18:03] coffee joulies? Hmm... not sure about that idea. [18:04] Wolfger: you ever setup a CI environment and write tests for all your code? [18:04] and then do it for a ton of projects? that's why it's not been done before [18:05] rick_h__: I got a fitbit [18:05] get one [18:05] I need a "stop being fat jorge" buddy [18:05] jcastro: yea? I was looking at them but wasn't sure on the linux story [18:05] I wanted to get some sort of gps/heart rate thingy for workouts [18:06] jcastro: they don't work wireless right? [18:06] rick_h__: Nope, I haven't. I'm just saying, the way Shuttleworth talks about it, it sounds like a no-brainer. I'm sure it's much more difficult to do than he makes it sound. [18:06] Wolfger: it's never been like that because no one has done it before to the scale we are [18:06] rick_h__: it does, to the wireless base [18:06] rick_h__: only gotcha is win/osx for the base, but jono's in contact with them and they say they're working on the linux support [18:07] Wolfger: and it's also brutally expensive [18:07] yea, I don't have anything non-linux these days [18:07] jcastro: but will watch eagerly for some way to get the data off in linux [18:08] nod [18:08] they have an API and stuff [18:08] nice, yea. I need something [18:08] I am going to mail them and see if they would even just provide the info we need [18:08] and hell, we can ask someone to write the driver [18:09] jcastro: If they get Linux support, I'll gladly get one [18:09] I need some motivation to get rid of my Buddah belly. [18:12] the threat of pain seems to work for most [18:12] Well, yes, that is a motivation [18:13] :-) [18:13] I own that t-shirt... [18:13] (dude being chased by T-Rex, caption: "EXERCISE: Some motivation required" [18:37] fitbit costs $100? It looks like a glorified pedometer... [18:38] Wolfger: with internet upload and pretty charts :) [18:39] bah I'm sure my phone has a app the does the same thing [18:40] and did you phone cost > $100? [18:40] it's already bought [18:41] oh hey free fitbit app [18:48] The 80's have ruined my brain. Here we are in 2012, and still every time somebody says something about "pushing it", I get Salt'n'Peppa singing in my head. [19:00] snap-l: http://marquee.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/04/the-black-keys-nickelback-helping-to-kill-rock/?hpt=hp_bn4 [19:12] nice [19:19] cleaning my home office yesterday, I think I found 2 full CD stacks of burned linux isos. Ubuntu 5.10, RedHat 7, ugh. [19:19] reminds me I should install from usb key more often (though in earlier days that wasn't so simple) [19:19] usb sticks ftw [19:28] krondor: iodd ftw [19:33] nullspace, iodd looks neat. Hadn't seen this. [19:35] there is a member of i3 or former member that is a regional sales distributor [19:36] you can skip on shipping costs [19:36] I think it's melstav [19:43] woot [19:43] my Oreilly loot [19:52] didn't you buy it yesterday? [19:53] Yes [19:53] Why did it take so long to receive e-books? [19:53] Don't tell me you're a tree murderer... [19:53] ;-) [19:55] I murder trees for Oreilly [19:55] Hate tech ebooks [20:03] You just haven't found the right ebook reader. :) [20:04] DX! [20:05] spent time reading my social network data book in pdf form on there last night [20:06] might buy the kindle for its eInk display [20:06] but I have numerous other things I would rather spend money on at present [20:06] What I hate passionately however is the retarded BN Nook PC program for BN College Textbooks [20:06] eTextbooks* [20:07]