[01:49] thanks TheMuso === jibel_ is now known as jibel [11:54] mm i cant get orca to speak [11:54] in precise [12:04] state of gdm needs attention, gdm is looking for /usr/lib/at-spi/at-spi-registryd where the correct file is /usr/lib/at-spi-core/at-spi2-registryd [12:05] gnome-session[10044]: WARNING: Application 'at-spi-registryd-wrapper.desktop' failed to register before timeout [22:21] would be great [23:21] why is nautilus so flakey, no one has confirmed or given any ideas [23:22] Fudge: How is it flaky? [23:24] hi TheMuso , it closes on me all the time when deleting files, refreshing or copying/pasting files [23:26] Fudge: what version of Ubuntu? [23:26] I am on oneiric 32bit [23:26] JanC I am pretty sure i've seen it in precise but not as frequent [23:26] Fudge: try disabling nautilus extensions... [23:28] nautilus has been mostly stable for me after disabling ubuntuone and a couple of other nautilus extensions... [23:28] where do disable them, see no flags for nautilus [23:29] I don't know if you can disable them in the GUI; but you can uninstall them... :-/ [23:29] ah right [23:30] are you suggesting i remove most of these http://paste.ubuntu.com/794377/ [23:30] as i do not see how those would effect nautilus if i am just performaing basic actions [23:31] Fudge: that list doesn't show all Nautilus extensions, and most of them work very well [23:32] you need to check packages that depend on libnautilus-extension1 and/or depend on python-nautilus [23:33] I guess maybe the dropbox extension could be a problem too, but I don't know how it works [23:33] basically, what i think is happening is that some code in some extensions has multithreading issues... [23:34] especially code that handles all files shown in nautilus [23:34] it does happen a lot if I am copying stuff remotely to a network machine like using .gvfs [23:35] yeah i list view shall all files and dont just show folders [23:38] I'm pretty sure it happens when extensions try to handle files that got changed/moved/deleted between the extension being called & it handling those files, or at least something like that [23:38] so maybe i should not show all files? [23:40] Fudge: what I think (didn't investigate to be sure) is that it happens with plugins that work on all files *shown* (which is not the same as all files) [23:41] well in prefs i have unticked show hidden files and not had a crash yet [23:41] well actually, just died but after deleting about 10 files which normally would have hapenned way earlier :(( [23:42] this sort of timing related bugs is very difficult to reproduce... [23:42] or at least difficult to reproduce reliably [23:44] JanC and it does not help that i am a noob [23:46] Fudge: I need to go sleep now, but you could try to remove all packages that depend on libnautilus-extension1 or python-nautilus one by one, and see which one removes most of your problems... [23:46] thanks mate [23:47] oh, and remember that nautilus runs in the background, so closing its windows doesn't exit it (you need to kill nautilus and restart it, or logout+login)