[00:35] <nOStahl> hi guys
[00:41] <nOStahl> so this arm stuff... it will be full featured ubuntu?
[00:42] <infinity> s/will be/is/
[00:43] <nOStahl> http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/cubox-is-a-sexy-ice-cube-sized-arm-computer-20111221/
[00:43] <GrueMaster> We have full Ubuntu desktop and Server images now.
[00:43] <nOStahl> so something like that could be a decent computer for a web developer?
[00:44] <GrueMaster> Might.  Looking.
[00:44] <infinity> Yeah.
[00:44] <infinity> And that article is wrong.
[00:44] <GrueMaster> 1G ddr3, Armv7.  Not bad.
[00:45] <infinity> It claims "ARM7" where they meant "ARMv7"
[00:45] <nOStahl> interesting
[00:45] <infinity> nOStahl: But, yes, other than the part where we don't ship a kernel in the archive for that box, it will run Ubuntu just fine.
[00:45] <GrueMaster> Hrm.  Marvell Armada 510.  could be arm7.
[00:46] <infinity> GrueMaster: No, the 510 is v7.
[00:46] <GrueMaster> ok
[00:46] <nOStahl> ubuntu arm needs to be marketed to the Off grid crowd
[00:46] <nOStahl> people that live on solar and wind power systems
[00:46] <nOStahl> they are very interested in low wattage computers :)
[00:47] <infinity> But this article makes it sound like the Pi is "better" since 11 is a bigger number than 7.
[00:47] <infinity> They really need to fix that. :P
[00:47] <nOStahl> Pi is cheaper :)
[00:47] <infinity> Yeah, but Ubuntu won't run on the Pi.
[00:48] <GrueMaster> nOStahl: If you get one of these and can get a working image assembled, I think we can add it to the community supported list.
[00:48] <infinity> The Pi is also fairly crippled.  Fun toy device, likely frustrating to people who want to run a general purpose OS.
[00:48] <nOStahl> the Pi shipped with an ubuntu image
[00:48] <nOStahl> I read in an article on the PI
[00:48] <infinity> nOStahl: Err.  Shipped to who?
[00:49] <nOStahl> let me find it.
[00:49] <nOStahl> they auctioned off 10 demo boards
[00:49] <infinity> Yeah.  They've only barely started shipping, AFAIK.  And there's no way they're running Ubuntu, since it would have to be an ancient release (karmic or earlier).
[00:49] <nOStahl> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/raspberry-pi-the-25-usb-sized-ubuntu-pc/
[00:50] <nOStahl> 9.10 I think it said
[00:50] <GrueMaster> 9.04.
[00:50] <GrueMaster> Yuck
[00:50] <infinity> That's just plain not true.
[00:51] <GrueMaster> We were barely dabbling in arm back then.  And that was armv5.
[00:51] <infinity> Unless they did a scorched earth rebuild.  Which seems unlikely.
[00:51] <infinity> Oh, wait.
[00:51] <infinity> I'm getting my years mixed up.
[00:51] <infinity> 9.04 would run on it, yeah.
[00:51] <infinity> I still can't see them shipping with it, though.
[00:51] <infinity> Since they even amended their own FAQ to point out that Ubuntu isn't compatible...
[00:52] <nOStahl> it would be great for running video displays in public restrooms :)
[00:52] <GrueMaster> 9.04 - armv5.  9.10 - armv6+vfp.  10.04-11.10 - armv7 soft float.
[00:52] <GrueMaster> Heh.
[00:53] <infinity> Anyhow.  Way far afield.  If you want a Pi, run Debian.  Beats running an ancient and unsupported Ubuntu.
[00:53] <infinity> But that other box should run Ubuntu great.
[00:53] <infinity> And if someone wants to send me one...
[00:53] <infinity> *shifty look*
[00:53] <nOStahl> what kind of options are there for netbooks
[00:53] <infinity> Netbook selection is woefully crap still, which is sad.
[00:54] <GrueMaster> Well, funny you should ask.  Currently, we have a release for the Toshiba AC100.
[00:54] <nOStahl> googling
[00:54] <infinity> But the Tranfsormer Prime (ie: tablet + keyboard dock) can pretend to be a Netbook quite well.  And with recent announcements of a bootloader unlocker from ASUS, I expect we'll ramp up support for them "soon".
[00:54] <GrueMaster> I hear there is work being done in the community to get running on the Asus Prime, but I don't know the status of that endeavor.
[00:54] <infinity> (And I'd rather have a Prime than an only-available-on-eBay AC100)
[00:55] <GrueMaster> Very true.
[00:55] <GrueMaster> It's sad that M$ pretty much killed the netbook market.
[00:55] <infinity> It's sad that the hardware vendors let them.
[00:55] <nOStahl> I Have an asus eeepc 901
[00:56] <nOStahl> I get 8 hours on a charge easy with it. little atom guy
[00:56] <infinity> If that insane artificial 1GB RAM limit hadn't been enforced, netbooks would have been great.
[00:56] <nOStahl> what kind of battery lengths will arm platforms give me
[00:56] <GrueMaster> I have an Acer Aspire One 532h.  64 bit and with an ssd, boots Ubuntu in ~12 seconds.
[00:56] <infinity> nOStahl: My AC100 will run under heavy load all day.  The difference is that it's less than half the weight of your Atom netbook.
[00:56] <GrueMaster> My AC100 lasted for well over 5 hours while flying across the US.
[00:57] <GrueMaster> recompiling & testing banshee the whole way.
[00:58] <infinity> My Lenovo S10-3 (Atom N450) and AC100 (Tegra2) last around the same under similar loads.  But the former burns my lap, while the latter doesn't get warm.  And the former is heavy as heck.  The latter is pretty much the weight of a pad of paper.
[00:58] <GrueMaster> Yea, the AC100 is a lot smaller.  I can fit two in the same sleave I use for my Acer.
[00:58] <GrueMaster> Smaller meaning thinner.
[01:00] <nOStahl> ya my 901 has two ssd's in it.
[01:00] <nOStahl> the new one I bought for it is dead now though
[01:01] <nOStahl> kernel paniced randomly tried a diff installation on it and it cant finish installing now heh
[01:04] <nOStahl> so ubuntu -arm can watch youtube videos and everything? (flash support)
[01:04] <GrueMaster> I had similar issues on my first Acer Aspire One with the proprietary Intel SSD.  Har to rma it twice (first time Acer just dumped Windows back on it and moved the partition table).
[01:08] <nOStahl> its going to be a neat world in 5 years
[01:11] <nOStahl> I can see myself with a little arm media server hooked up to the tv
[01:16] <GrueMaster> You can pretty much do that now with a panda board.
[01:16] <GrueMaster> I haven't tried it, but it should work well as a mythtv client system.
[01:20] <nOStahl> all of my viewing online comes from hulu.com or crackle.com etc.
[01:20] <nOStahl> occasional redbox
[01:20] <nOStahl> keeps me from having to buy hard drives all the time :P
[01:34] <infinity> nOStahl: Flash on ARM is usually a non-starter, unless you hack and slash binaries from Android devices.
[01:34] <infinity> nOStahl: But youtube has an html5 option now.
[01:46] <nOStahl> ah
[01:46] <nOStahl> I was just reading article of speculation of apple moving from intel to arm processors
[01:46] <nOStahl> brb
[01:46] <nOStahl> rebooting
[01:53] <twb> "speculation"?  What do you think their iOS kit runs on
[12:49] <zclei> ubuntu-oneiric let me trouble,when i draw non-texture geometry
[12:51] <zclei> when i draw three triangles ,only show two
[13:06] <ndec> ogra_: hi. does any recent 'precise' image work on Panda ES?
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[14:32] <cmagina> K9tdsE4aMz
[14:36] <LetoThe2nd> cmagina: i'd suggest changing that password now.
[14:37] <cmagina> LetoThe2nd: yeah, hate when that happens. its only a local password
[14:37] <LetoThe2nd> :)
[14:55] <GrueMaster> ndec: Pick one.  I'm running precise armhf now.
[14:57] <ndec> GrueMaster: i didn't try myself but someone reported it was not working...
[14:58] <GrueMaster> ndec: I asked yesterday if the kernel mods had made it in because I haven't been testing it.  But yesterday's daily ran just fine.
[14:59] <ndec> has kernel changed since yesterday?
[15:01] <GrueMaster> I doubt it.
[15:03] <GrueMaster> My point is that I hadn't tested the 4460 since Oneiric release  (I have several other pandas).  I knew then that there were kernel mods to correctly set voltages.  Yesterday, I asked if they had made it in and was told they were there for a while.
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