| snap-l | maco: Stuff of nightmares: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BSVqZ_9k8cU/Se6jfKFHoCI/AAAAAAAAAFc/jeCePpLNGys/s1600-h/doncha.jpg | 00:38 |
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| nigelb | maco: lol, where do you find these :-) | 03:14 |
| === jono is now known as Guest45463 | ||
| bkerensa | =o | 08:50 |
| bkerensa | i broke gcalc | 08:50 |
| bkerensa | :D | 08:50 |
| * duanedesign waves to nigelb | 12:03 | |
| duanedesign | nigelb: wanted to wish you a happy and prosperous new year! | 12:04 |
| nigelb | Hey duanedesign :) | 12:04 |
| akgraner | Does anyone know if the Brainstorm code base is being actively maintained and if so by whom? | 12:50 |
| akgraner | OH and HAPPY NEW YEAR everybody! | 12:51 |
| mhall119 | happy new year akgraner | 12:51 |
| mhall119 | I'm not sure if/who though | 12:51 |
| akgraner | ok that's seems to be the answer I am getting - I have someone who wants to use it | 12:52 |
| popey | stgraber is probably a good person to ask | 12:53 |
| popey | not because he maintains it, but because I think he knows who does | 12:53 |
| akgraner | popey, thank you! | 12:55 |
| jcastro | akgraner: it was nicholas deschildre | 15:02 |
| jcastro | but he's been gone a long time now | 15:02 |
| akgraner | ok thanks | 15:02 |
| popey | bbc used the code for a while | 15:03 |
| popey | dunno if they still do | 15:03 |
| popey | https://code.launchpad.net/ideatorrent | 15:04 |
| popey | not many updates | 15:04 |
| jcastro | does dell still do their thing at all? | 15:05 |
| popey | http://www.ideastorm.com/ | 15:05 |
| bkerensa | =o it would cost me close to $100 to get a Ubuntu hoodie with shipping | 15:09 |
| bkerensa | jumping jigawatts | 15:09 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: now you know how folks feel when they want threadless or tshirt hell stuff shipped from usa :0 | 15:10 |
| czajkowski | :) | 15:10 |
| mhall119 | morning jcastro, dpm, balloons | 15:14 |
| dpm | hey mhall119, good morning! | 15:14 |
| jcastro | is dholbach back yet? | 15:14 |
| bkerensa | czajkowski: :( | 15:20 |
| czajkowski | though now I get stuff shiped to mate in canada a lot cheaper and she does package shippments to family or they are over there regualrly enough to get stuff | 15:21 |
| bkerensa | czajkowski: Yeah... Well I'm not doing registered mail with canonical again.... Her Majesty got my package stuck at U.S. Customs for a week :D | 15:22 |
| bkerensa | UPS has got to be the way going forward... I think I just need to get enough people to do a group purchase | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: ping | 15:23 |
| jcastro | YESSIR | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | got time for a quick hangout? I want to test my new webcam | 15:23 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: aye before I've gotten landded with a large VAt bill when it landed in dublin from thinkgeek almost as much as the stuff I paid | 15:24 |
| czajkowski | was not happy | 15:24 |
| bkerensa | heh | 15:24 |
| jcastro | mhall119: yeah, fire it up | 15:24 |
| bkerensa | :D ThinkGeek sends me free stuff if I ask | 15:24 |
| bkerensa | :P | 15:24 |
| bkerensa | at their expense | 15:24 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: invite sent | 15:25 |
| czajkowski | bkerensa: see I dont feel sorry for you now about your hoodie :) | 15:25 |
| bkerensa | czajkowski: It comes with strings attached.... I have to review it and usually its stuff I dont actually want and end up giving away to my neighbors kids | 15:25 |
| jcastro | mhall119: one sec | 15:27 |
| mhall119 | problems? | 15:27 |
| balloons | morning mhall1119 | 15:50 |
| JanC | bkerensa: you write reviews like "this is actually useless to me" and they *keep* sending stuff? :P | 16:11 |
| bkerensa | JanC: Nah... I write reviews that are favorable and they keep sending stuff ;) | 16:14 |
| bkerensa | jk mostly | 16:14 |
| * bkerensa has to blast Kingston in a review soon for their lack of supporting Linux | 16:14 | |
| jono_ | mhall119, can we chat today? | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | jono_: any time, I have my webcam now | 16:44 |
| jono_ | jcastro, let's sync up today too | 16:44 |
| jono_ | mhall119, nice! | 16:44 |
| jcastro | fo sho | 16:44 |
| jono_ | does that mean I need to get dressed? | 16:44 |
| jcastro | yep | 16:44 |
| jono_ | damn | 16:44 |
| jcastro | well, at least waist up | 16:44 |
| balloons | only from the waist up :-) | 16:44 |
| jcastro | I can go any time too | 16:44 |
| balloons | jcastro beat me to the punch! | 16:44 |
| jono_ | lol | 16:44 |
| snap-l | I think I have the new Ubuntu 12.04 tagline: Ubuntu: Pants Optional. | 16:48 |
| snap-l | Precise Pangolin Pants Preferred? | 16:48 |
| mhall119 | might be awkward for our British friends | 16:49 |
| snap-l | They had their chance with Karmic Knickers. | 16:49 |
| === jono_ is now known as jono | ||
| mhall119 | lol | 16:50 |
| jono | mhall119, ok let's talk in the next 15 mins or so, just wrapping some discussions now | 16:50 |
| snap-l | Even Natty Knickers would have worked, but NOOOOO | 16:50 |
| mhall119 | jono: send me a hangout invite whenever you're ready | 16:52 |
| jono | mhall119, will do | 16:56 |
| jono | mhall119, hangout sent | 17:15 |
| jono | jcastro, hey, can you join a hangout now with mhall119 and I | 17:24 |
| jcastro | YEAH! | 17:27 |
| jono | mhall119, I lost you | 17:27 |
| jono | jcastro, ok, bringing you in | 17:27 |
| * czajkowski removes jcastro caps key | 17:27 | |
| mhall119 | jono: Unity crashed on me :( | 17:28 |
| jono | mhall119, ugh | 17:28 |
| jono | jcastro is here, we will wait for you | 17:29 |
| james_w | mhall119, hi, is it true that scopes have to depend on the lenses they are for? | 18:43 |
| mhall119 | james_w: to be shown as add-ons on software center, they need to use the Enhances field in debian/control, with the lens package they enhance | 18:44 |
| mhall119 | james_w: join #ayatana to discuss that more with us | 18:45 |
| james_w | mhall119, I have a developer that is saying that to submit a lens and scope to s-c they have to make the scope *depend* on the lens | 18:45 |
| james_w | which is against the rules of extras | 18:45 |
| mhall119 | james_w: I don't think that's entirely accurate | 18:46 |
| james_w | I'm trying to find out if it is true before I push for an exception in the policy | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | james_w: we have been told that lens packages will get some exceptions to rules like that | 18:46 |
| AlanBell | that is an interesting point | 18:46 |
| mhall119 | james_w: bring it up in #ayatana, davidcalle, didrocks and mtp have been talking about how to get lenses into USC properly | 18:47 |
| jcastro | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112109-canonical-announcing-ubuntu-concept-device-at-ces-this-year?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ziffdavis%2Fextremetech+%28Extremetech%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | 18:47 |
| jcastro | hah | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | is the lens also in extras or is that in the main repos? | 18:47 |
| jcastro | look at the brand name on the back of the tablet | 18:47 |
| mhall119 | shuttlepad, awesome | 18:47 |
| james_w | AlanBell, extras I assume, or this wouldn't be coming up | 18:47 |
| AlanBell | james_w: so it could depend on an existing lens, but things in extras can't depend on each other right? | 18:49 |
| james_w | as it stands, yes | 18:49 |
| popey | hahah | 19:36 |
| jono | jcastro, ok to chat soon? | 20:03 |
| jcastro | jono: yeah, sorry I missed your ping | 20:42 |
| jcastro | mhall119: https://launchpad.net/~markjtully/+archive/ppa | 20:43 |
| jcastro | this guy fixes lenses and puts them in a PPA | 20:43 |
| jcastro | we should snag him too | 20:43 |
| jcastro | jono: I can go whenevs | 20:46 |
| jono | jcastro, ok about set | 20:54 |
| jono | jcastro, invite sent | 21:01 |
| jcastro | and I'm in! | 21:02 |
| jono | jcastro, I don't see you | 21:02 |
| jcastro | jono: bah that thread has no content about the actual status, just us coordinating to have a call about it | 21:40 |
| jcastro | we did have a call a day or two before the holidays though | 21:41 |
| jcastro | so hopefully some progress has been made recently | 21:42 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: I'm going to put together a "highlights reel" blog post to list all the lenses and scopes I'm aware of, do you know of any others? | 21:44 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: is your openerp lens code public? | 21:47 |
| AlanBell | not right now because it has hardcoded connection details | 21:47 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: is it going to be at some point? | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | yes | 21:48 |
| mhall119 | or can I get a screenshot? sanitized is okay | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | I would love to know the right way to do a lens that needs a bit of configuration and authentication | 21:48 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: me too, are you in #ayatana? | 21:48 |
| AlanBell | yes | 21:49 |
| jcastro | mhall119: I know of this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-are-available | 22:11 |
| jcastro | there's one for indicators too | 22:11 |
| jcastro | which wouldn't be a bad thing to highlight/steal and put on unity.ubuntu.comn | 22:11 |
| jcastro | mhall119: the snarky comment I said to mpt was "maybe we don't want to highlight indicators, it will just encourage people to make more." | 22:12 |
| jcastro | hah | 22:12 |
| jcastro | I used this often: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/whyappindicators%3F.png | 22:15 |
| czajkowski | Pendulum: http://lwn.net/Articles/473007/ | 22:16 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 22:17 |
| AlanBell | jcastro: can you point me at the spec for indicators | 22:18 |
| AlanBell | want to see who needs slapping for the unlabled images at the top level | 22:18 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators | 22:18 |
| AlanBell | bah, the spec is broken | 22:21 |
| Pendulum | czajkowski: yeah, that's been on my radar. I'm glad it made it into LWN :) | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | so from what I can see the indicators have no concept of their own name | 22:23 |
| AlanBell | they are instantiated with app_indicator_new taking an id, an icon name (not readable) and a category (not unique) and there is no indicator name anywhere else | 22:24 |
| AlanBell | and if you use app_indicator_set_label then you get the string printed (like the clock) and can't supress that | 22:25 |
| AlanBell | indicator-messages kind of gets it right, there is an update_a11y_desc method that gets called in a few places and cruicially sets the description property of the image. | 22:41 |
| AlanBell | this is one of those things that would be so much more consistent if it was baked into the spec | 22:42 |
| AlanBell | oh and it even changes from "Messages" to "New Messages" when you have mail | 22:44 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: awesome example of why systray is bad | 22:54 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: have you looked at lenses from an accessibility perspective? | 22:57 |
| AlanBell | yeah, they say "button" a lot | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | but generally are kind of navigable | 23:07 |
| AlanBell | sometimes they read odd numbers for the total number of results in a folded up category | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | I think the filters are hard to get to and some are not readable like the ratings filters | 23:08 |
| AlanBell | I think the most broken new feature being introduced in precise is the shortcuts overlay on long hold of the super key | 23:10 |
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