[00:38] <snap-l> maco: Stuff of nightmares: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BSVqZ_9k8cU/Se6jfKFHoCI/AAAAAAAAAFc/jeCePpLNGys/s1600-h/doncha.jpg
[03:14] <nigelb> maco: lol, where do you find these :-)
[08:50] <bkerensa> =o
[08:50] <bkerensa> i broke gcalc
[08:50] <bkerensa> :D
[12:03]  * duanedesign waves  to nigelb 
[12:04] <duanedesign> nigelb: wanted to wish you a happy and prosperous new year!
[12:04] <nigelb> Hey duanedesign :)
[12:50] <akgraner> Does anyone know if the Brainstorm code base is being actively maintained and if so by whom?
[12:51] <akgraner> OH and HAPPY NEW YEAR everybody!
[12:51] <mhall119> happy new year akgraner
[12:51] <mhall119> I'm not sure if/who though
[12:52] <akgraner> ok that's seems to be the answer I am getting - I have someone who wants to use it
[12:53] <popey> stgraber is probably a good person to ask
[12:53] <popey> not because he maintains it, but because I think he knows who does
[12:55] <akgraner> popey, thank you!
[15:02] <jcastro> akgraner: it was nicholas deschildre
[15:02] <jcastro> but he's been gone a long time now
[15:02] <akgraner> ok thanks
[15:03] <popey> bbc used the code for a while
[15:03] <popey> dunno if they still do
[15:04] <popey> https://code.launchpad.net/ideatorrent
[15:04] <popey> not many updates
[15:05] <jcastro> does dell still do their thing at all?
[15:05] <popey> http://www.ideastorm.com/
[15:09] <bkerensa> =o it would cost me close to $100 to get a Ubuntu hoodie with shipping
[15:09] <bkerensa> jumping jigawatts
[15:10] <czajkowski> bkerensa: now you know how folks feel when they want threadless or tshirt hell stuff shipped from usa :0
[15:10] <czajkowski> :)
[15:14] <mhall119> morning jcastro, dpm, balloons
[15:14] <dpm> hey mhall119, good morning!
[15:14] <jcastro> is dholbach back yet?
[15:20] <bkerensa> czajkowski: :(
[15:21] <czajkowski> though now I get stuff shiped to mate in canada a lot cheaper and she does package shippments to family or they are over there regualrly enough to get stuff
[15:22] <bkerensa> czajkowski: Yeah... Well I'm not doing registered mail with canonical again.... Her Majesty got my package stuck at U.S. Customs for a week :D
[15:23] <bkerensa> UPS has got to be the way going forward... I think I just need to get enough people to do a group purchase
[15:23] <mhall119> jcastro: ping
[15:23] <jcastro> YESSIR
[15:23] <mhall119> got time for a quick hangout?  I want to test my new webcam
[15:24] <czajkowski> bkerensa: aye before I've gotten landded with a large VAt bill when it landed in dublin from thinkgeek almost as much as the stuff I paid
[15:24] <czajkowski> was not happy
[15:24] <bkerensa> heh
[15:24] <jcastro> mhall119: yeah, fire it up
[15:24] <bkerensa> :D ThinkGeek sends me free stuff if I ask
[15:24] <bkerensa> :P
[15:24] <bkerensa> at their expense
[15:25] <mhall119> jcastro: invite sent
[15:25] <czajkowski> bkerensa: see I dont feel sorry for you now about your hoodie :)
[15:25] <bkerensa> czajkowski: It comes with strings attached.... I have to review it and usually its stuff I dont actually want and end up giving away to my neighbors kids
[15:27] <jcastro> mhall119: one sec
[15:27] <mhall119> problems?
[15:50] <balloons> morning mhall1119
[16:11] <JanC> bkerensa: you write reviews like "this is actually useless to me" and they *keep* sending stuff?  :P
[16:14] <bkerensa> JanC: Nah... I write reviews that are favorable and they keep sending stuff ;)
[16:14] <bkerensa> jk mostly
[16:14]  * bkerensa has to blast Kingston in a review soon for their lack of supporting Linux
[16:43] <jono_> mhall119, can we chat today?
[16:44] <mhall119> jono_: any time, I have my webcam now
[16:44] <jono_> jcastro, let's sync up today too
[16:44] <jono_> mhall119, nice!
[16:44] <jcastro> fo sho
[16:44] <jono_> does that mean I need to get dressed?
[16:44] <jcastro> yep
[16:44] <jono_> damn
[16:44] <jcastro> well, at least waist up
[16:44] <balloons> only from the waist up :-)
[16:44] <jcastro> I can go any time too
[16:44] <balloons> jcastro beat me to the punch!
[16:44] <jono_> lol
[16:48] <snap-l> I think I have the new Ubuntu 12.04 tagline: Ubuntu: Pants Optional.
[16:48] <snap-l> Precise Pangolin Pants Preferred?
[16:49] <mhall119> might be awkward for our British friends
[16:49] <snap-l> They had their chance with Karmic Knickers.
[16:50] <mhall119> lol
[16:50] <jono> mhall119, ok let's talk in the next 15 mins or so, just wrapping some discussions now
[16:50] <snap-l> Even Natty Knickers would have worked, but NOOOOO
[16:52] <mhall119> jono: send me a hangout invite whenever you're ready
[16:56] <jono> mhall119, will do
[17:15] <jono> mhall119, hangout sent
[17:24] <jono> jcastro, hey, can you join a hangout now with mhall119 and I
[17:27] <jcastro> YEAH!
[17:27] <jono> mhall119, I lost you
[17:27] <jono> jcastro, ok, bringing you in
[17:27]  * czajkowski removes jcastro caps key
[17:28] <mhall119> jono: Unity crashed on me :(
[17:28] <jono> mhall119, ugh
[17:29] <jono> jcastro is here, we will wait for you
[18:43] <james_w> mhall119, hi, is it true that scopes have to depend on the lenses they are for?
[18:44] <mhall119> james_w: to be shown as add-ons on software center, they need to use the Enhances field in debian/control, with the lens package they enhance
[18:45] <mhall119> james_w: join #ayatana to discuss that more with us
[18:45] <james_w> mhall119, I have a developer that is saying that to submit a lens and scope to s-c they have to make the scope *depend* on the lens
[18:45] <james_w> which is against the rules of extras
[18:46] <mhall119> james_w: I don't think that's entirely accurate
[18:46] <james_w> I'm trying to find out if it is true before I push for an exception in the policy
[18:46] <mhall119> james_w: we have been told that lens packages will get some exceptions to rules like that
[18:46] <AlanBell> that is an interesting point
[18:47] <mhall119> james_w: bring it up in #ayatana, davidcalle, didrocks and mtp have been talking about how to get lenses into USC properly
[18:47] <jcastro> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112109-canonical-announcing-ubuntu-concept-device-at-ces-this-year?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ziffdavis%2Fextremetech+%28Extremetech%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[18:47] <jcastro> hah
[18:47] <AlanBell> is the lens also in extras or is that in the main repos?
[18:47] <jcastro> look at the brand name on the back of the tablet
[18:47] <mhall119> shuttlepad, awesome
[18:47] <james_w> AlanBell, extras I assume, or this wouldn't be coming up
[18:49] <AlanBell> james_w: so it could depend on an existing lens, but things in extras can't depend on each other right?
[18:49] <james_w> as it stands, yes
[19:36] <popey> hahah
[20:03] <jono> jcastro, ok to chat soon?
[20:42] <jcastro> jono: yeah, sorry I missed your ping
[20:43] <jcastro> mhall119: https://launchpad.net/~markjtully/+archive/ppa
[20:43] <jcastro> this guy fixes lenses and puts them in a PPA
[20:43] <jcastro> we should snag him too
[20:46] <jcastro> jono: I can go whenevs
[20:54] <jono> jcastro, ok about set
[21:01] <jono> jcastro, invite sent
[21:02] <jcastro> and I'm in!
[21:02] <jono> jcastro, I don't see you
[21:40] <jcastro> jono: bah that thread has no content about the actual status, just us coordinating to have a call about it
[21:41] <jcastro> we did have a call a day or two before the holidays though
[21:42] <jcastro> so hopefully some progress has been made recently
[21:44] <mhall119> jcastro: I'm going to put together a "highlights reel" blog post to list all the lenses and scopes I'm aware of, do you know of any others?
[21:47] <mhall119> AlanBell: is your openerp lens code public?
[21:47] <AlanBell> not right now because it has hardcoded connection details
[21:48] <mhall119> AlanBell: is it going to be at some point?
[21:48] <AlanBell> yes
[21:48] <mhall119> or can I get a screenshot? sanitized is okay
[21:48] <AlanBell> I would love to know the right way to do a lens that needs a bit of configuration and authentication
[21:48] <mhall119> AlanBell: me too, are you in #ayatana?
[21:49] <AlanBell> yes
[22:11] <jcastro> mhall119: I know of this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-are-available
[22:11] <jcastro> there's one for indicators too
[22:11] <jcastro> which wouldn't be a bad thing to highlight/steal and put on unity.ubuntu.comn
[22:12] <jcastro> mhall119: the snarky comment I said to mpt was "maybe we don't want to highlight indicators, it will just encourage people to make more."
[22:12] <jcastro> hah
[22:15] <jcastro> I used this often: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/whyappindicators%3F.png
[22:16] <czajkowski> Pendulum: http://lwn.net/Articles/473007/
[22:17] <pleia2> \o/
[22:18] <AlanBell> jcastro: can you point me at the spec for indicators
[22:18] <AlanBell> want to see who needs slapping for the unlabled images at the top level
[22:18] <jcastro> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators
[22:21] <AlanBell> bah, the spec is broken
[22:23] <Pendulum> czajkowski: yeah, that's been on my radar. I'm glad it made it into LWN :)
[22:23] <AlanBell> so from what I can see the indicators have no concept of their own name
[22:24] <AlanBell> they are instantiated with app_indicator_new taking an id, an icon name (not readable) and a category (not unique) and there is no indicator name anywhere else
[22:25] <AlanBell> and if you use app_indicator_set_label then you get the string printed (like the clock) and can't supress that
[22:41] <AlanBell> indicator-messages kind of gets it right, there is an update_a11y_desc method that gets called in a few places and cruicially sets the description property of the image.
[22:42] <AlanBell> this is one of those things that would be so much more consistent if it was baked into the spec
[22:44] <AlanBell> oh and it even changes from "Messages" to "New Messages" when you have mail
[22:54] <mhall119> jcastro: awesome example of why systray is bad
[22:57] <mhall119> AlanBell: have you looked at lenses from an accessibility perspective?
[23:07] <AlanBell> yeah, they say "button" a lot
[23:07] <AlanBell> but generally are kind of navigable
[23:08] <AlanBell> sometimes they read odd numbers for the total number of results in a folded up category
[23:08] <AlanBell> I think the filters are hard to get to and some are not readable like the ratings filters
[23:10] <AlanBell> I think the most broken new feature being introduced in precise is the shortcuts overlay on long hold of the super key