[00:38] maco: Stuff of nightmares: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BSVqZ_9k8cU/Se6jfKFHoCI/AAAAAAAAAFc/jeCePpLNGys/s1600-h/doncha.jpg [03:14] maco: lol, where do you find these :-) === jono is now known as Guest45463 [08:50] =o [08:50] i broke gcalc [08:50] :D [12:03] * duanedesign waves to nigelb [12:04] nigelb: wanted to wish you a happy and prosperous new year! [12:04] Hey duanedesign :) [12:50] Does anyone know if the Brainstorm code base is being actively maintained and if so by whom? [12:51] OH and HAPPY NEW YEAR everybody! [12:51] happy new year akgraner [12:51] I'm not sure if/who though [12:52] ok that's seems to be the answer I am getting - I have someone who wants to use it [12:53] stgraber is probably a good person to ask [12:53] not because he maintains it, but because I think he knows who does [12:55] popey, thank you! [15:02] akgraner: it was nicholas deschildre [15:02] but he's been gone a long time now [15:02] ok thanks [15:03] bbc used the code for a while [15:03] dunno if they still do [15:04] https://code.launchpad.net/ideatorrent [15:04] not many updates [15:05] does dell still do their thing at all? [15:05] http://www.ideastorm.com/ [15:09] =o it would cost me close to $100 to get a Ubuntu hoodie with shipping [15:09] jumping jigawatts [15:10] bkerensa: now you know how folks feel when they want threadless or tshirt hell stuff shipped from usa :0 [15:10] :) [15:14] morning jcastro, dpm, balloons [15:14] hey mhall119, good morning! [15:14] is dholbach back yet? [15:20] czajkowski: :( [15:21] though now I get stuff shiped to mate in canada a lot cheaper and she does package shippments to family or they are over there regualrly enough to get stuff [15:22] czajkowski: Yeah... Well I'm not doing registered mail with canonical again.... Her Majesty got my package stuck at U.S. Customs for a week :D [15:23] UPS has got to be the way going forward... I think I just need to get enough people to do a group purchase [15:23] jcastro: ping [15:23] YESSIR [15:23] got time for a quick hangout? I want to test my new webcam [15:24] bkerensa: aye before I've gotten landded with a large VAt bill when it landed in dublin from thinkgeek almost as much as the stuff I paid [15:24] was not happy [15:24] heh [15:24] mhall119: yeah, fire it up [15:24] :D ThinkGeek sends me free stuff if I ask [15:24] :P [15:24] at their expense [15:25] jcastro: invite sent [15:25] bkerensa: see I dont feel sorry for you now about your hoodie :) [15:25] czajkowski: It comes with strings attached.... I have to review it and usually its stuff I dont actually want and end up giving away to my neighbors kids [15:27] mhall119: one sec [15:27] problems? [15:50] morning mhall1119 [16:11] bkerensa: you write reviews like "this is actually useless to me" and they *keep* sending stuff? :P [16:14] JanC: Nah... I write reviews that are favorable and they keep sending stuff ;) [16:14] jk mostly [16:14] * bkerensa has to blast Kingston in a review soon for their lack of supporting Linux [16:43] mhall119, can we chat today? [16:44] jono_: any time, I have my webcam now [16:44] jcastro, let's sync up today too [16:44] mhall119, nice! [16:44] fo sho [16:44] does that mean I need to get dressed? [16:44] yep [16:44] damn [16:44] well, at least waist up [16:44] only from the waist up :-) [16:44] I can go any time too [16:44] jcastro beat me to the punch! [16:44] lol [16:48] I think I have the new Ubuntu 12.04 tagline: Ubuntu: Pants Optional. [16:48] Precise Pangolin Pants Preferred? [16:49] might be awkward for our British friends [16:49] They had their chance with Karmic Knickers. === jono_ is now known as jono [16:50] lol [16:50] mhall119, ok let's talk in the next 15 mins or so, just wrapping some discussions now [16:50] Even Natty Knickers would have worked, but NOOOOO [16:52] jono: send me a hangout invite whenever you're ready [16:56] mhall119, will do [17:15] mhall119, hangout sent [17:24] jcastro, hey, can you join a hangout now with mhall119 and I [17:27] YEAH! [17:27] mhall119, I lost you [17:27] jcastro, ok, bringing you in [17:27] * czajkowski removes jcastro caps key [17:28] jono: Unity crashed on me :( [17:28] mhall119, ugh [17:29] jcastro is here, we will wait for you [18:43] mhall119, hi, is it true that scopes have to depend on the lenses they are for? [18:44] james_w: to be shown as add-ons on software center, they need to use the Enhances field in debian/control, with the lens package they enhance [18:45] james_w: join #ayatana to discuss that more with us [18:45] mhall119, I have a developer that is saying that to submit a lens and scope to s-c they have to make the scope *depend* on the lens [18:45] which is against the rules of extras [18:46] james_w: I don't think that's entirely accurate [18:46] I'm trying to find out if it is true before I push for an exception in the policy [18:46] james_w: we have been told that lens packages will get some exceptions to rules like that [18:46] that is an interesting point [18:47] james_w: bring it up in #ayatana, davidcalle, didrocks and mtp have been talking about how to get lenses into USC properly [18:47] http://www.extremetech.com/computing/112109-canonical-announcing-ubuntu-concept-device-at-ces-this-year?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ziffdavis%2Fextremetech+%28Extremetech%29&utm_content=Google+Reader [18:47] hah [18:47] is the lens also in extras or is that in the main repos? [18:47] look at the brand name on the back of the tablet [18:47] shuttlepad, awesome [18:47] AlanBell, extras I assume, or this wouldn't be coming up [18:49] james_w: so it could depend on an existing lens, but things in extras can't depend on each other right? [18:49] as it stands, yes [19:36] hahah [20:03] jcastro, ok to chat soon? [20:42] jono: yeah, sorry I missed your ping [20:43] mhall119: https://launchpad.net/~markjtully/+archive/ppa [20:43] this guy fixes lenses and puts them in a PPA [20:43] we should snag him too [20:46] jono: I can go whenevs [20:54] jcastro, ok about set [21:01] jcastro, invite sent [21:02] and I'm in! [21:02] jcastro, I don't see you [21:40] jono: bah that thread has no content about the actual status, just us coordinating to have a call about it [21:41] we did have a call a day or two before the holidays though [21:42] so hopefully some progress has been made recently [21:44] jcastro: I'm going to put together a "highlights reel" blog post to list all the lenses and scopes I'm aware of, do you know of any others? [21:47] AlanBell: is your openerp lens code public? [21:47] not right now because it has hardcoded connection details [21:48] AlanBell: is it going to be at some point? [21:48] yes [21:48] or can I get a screenshot? sanitized is okay [21:48] I would love to know the right way to do a lens that needs a bit of configuration and authentication [21:48] AlanBell: me too, are you in #ayatana? [21:49] yes [22:11] mhall119: I know of this one: http://askubuntu.com/questions/38772/what-lenses-for-unity-are-available [22:11] there's one for indicators too [22:11] which wouldn't be a bad thing to highlight/steal and put on unity.ubuntu.comn [22:12] mhall119: the snarky comment I said to mpt was "maybe we don't want to highlight indicators, it will just encourage people to make more." [22:12] hah [22:15] I used this often: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5720/whyappindicators%3F.png [22:16] Pendulum: http://lwn.net/Articles/473007/ [22:17] \o/ [22:18] jcastro: can you point me at the spec for indicators [22:18] want to see who needs slapping for the unlabled images at the top level [22:18] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators [22:21] bah, the spec is broken [22:23] czajkowski: yeah, that's been on my radar. I'm glad it made it into LWN :) [22:23] so from what I can see the indicators have no concept of their own name [22:24] they are instantiated with app_indicator_new taking an id, an icon name (not readable) and a category (not unique) and there is no indicator name anywhere else [22:25] and if you use app_indicator_set_label then you get the string printed (like the clock) and can't supress that [22:41] indicator-messages kind of gets it right, there is an update_a11y_desc method that gets called in a few places and cruicially sets the description property of the image. [22:42] this is one of those things that would be so much more consistent if it was baked into the spec [22:44] oh and it even changes from "Messages" to "New Messages" when you have mail [22:54] jcastro: awesome example of why systray is bad [22:57] AlanBell: have you looked at lenses from an accessibility perspective? [23:07] yeah, they say "button" a lot [23:07] but generally are kind of navigable [23:08] sometimes they read odd numbers for the total number of results in a folded up category [23:08] I think the filters are hard to get to and some are not readable like the ratings filters [23:10] I think the most broken new feature being introduced in precise is the shortcuts overlay on long hold of the super key