[15:00]  * janimo waves
[15:00] <NCommander> #startmeeting
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[15:01]  * davidm waves
[15:01] <janimo> hi
[15:01]  * mrjazzcat waves
[15:01] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2012/20120105
[15:02] <NCommander> who's here?
[15:02] <mahmoh> hi
[15:02] <rbasak> o/
[15:02]  * NCommander fixes the wikipage
[15:02] <NCommander> sorry, I put the actual page under 2011
[15:03] <NCommander> ugh A page with the name 'ARM/Meeting/2012/20120105' already exists. Try a different name.
[15:03] <NCommander> I'll fix it after the meeting
[15:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20120105
[15:03]  * cmagina waves
[15:04] <NCommander> so, action items
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] rsalveti to kick someone to fix bug 838200
[15:04] <rsalveti> still in progress, people starting to work just now
[15:05] <NCommander> k
[15:05] <NCommander> [topic] rsalveti to track the gles driver status for armhf for the vendors we support
[15:05] <rsalveti> ti is working on getting the armhf driver available
[15:05] <NCommander> yay
[15:05] <rsalveti> other vendors are also aware already
[15:06] <rsalveti> but at least ti should make it available soon :-)
[15:06] <NCommander> please keep us appraised of teh armhf gles drivers
[15:06] <NCommander> ^- as the cycle continues
[15:06] <rsalveti> sure :-)
[15:06] <rsalveti> happy to do
[15:06] <NCommander> [topic] jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel
[15:08]  * NCommander realizes we have no jcrigby
[15:08] <NCommander> Moving on
[15:08] <NCommander> [action] jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel
[15:08] <meetingology> ACTION: jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel
[15:08] <NCommander> [action] jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel (c/o)
[15:08] <meetingology> ACTION: jcrigby to update the mx53 kernel (c/o)
[15:08] <NCommander> [topic] Stanidng Items
[15:08] <NCommander> [topic] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html
[15:10] <GrueMaster> Status page still has workitems and people not associated with arm.
[15:10] <NCommander> Due to the Christmas shutdown there hasn't been too much progress
[15:11] <NCommander> Also looks like someone caused one of our specs to pull in the entire release
[15:11] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to track dependency SNAFU on status tracker and remove non-ARM specs
[15:11] <meetingology> ACTION: NCommander to track dependency SNAFU on status tracker and remove non-ARM specs
[15:12] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
[15:12] <NCommander> DEPWAIT hardware
[15:12] <NCommander> Not much to say beyond that :-/
[15:12] <rbasak> Nothing to report from the server end afaik
[15:12] <GrueMaster> I think part of the problem is everything is now linked to topic-precise-release-lts.
[15:12] <rbasak> GrueMaster: AIUI, a server install on a panda continues to work?
[15:13] <GrueMaster> rbasak: I do them almost daily.
[15:13] <GrueMaster> (Not every load, but netinstall and some testing).
[15:13] <rbasak> and do they work? :)
[15:13] <GrueMaster> I am working to automate all the manual tests I ran last cycle.
[15:13] <ogra_> grmbl, sorry for being late ... connection probs
[15:14] <GrueMaster> rbasak: I haven't had issues yet.
[15:14] <rbasak> excellent!
[15:14] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
[15:14] <GrueMaster> Although almost nothing is automated in a way I can use.
[15:15]  * ogra_ had a word on specs but missed that bit .... we are supposed to pick the specs we will work on at the sprint in advance
[15:15] <ogra_> (can probably do that in AOB)
[15:15] <NCommander> ppisati: ping?
[15:15]  * NCommander notes we have no cooloney
[15:16] <ogra_> he mailed
[15:16] <ogra_> vacation this week
[15:16] <NCommander> Oh, oops
[15:16] <ogra_> iirc at least
[15:16] <janimo> new ac100 uploads for both oneiric and precise
[15:16] <NCommander> thanks ogra
[15:16] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
[15:16] <janimo> with mmap fixes, and 3.0 kernel in precise
[15:16] <ogra_> janimo, tested already ?
[15:16] <janimo> ogra_, yes
[15:16] <ogra_> yay
[15:16] <GrueMaster> Yea, something about doing something with his wife?  (And I thought he was dedicated to us).
[15:16] <ogra_> well, ftbfs ...
[15:17] <ogra_> someone needs to do the testbuild of libreoffice
[15:17] <janimo> no progress here on my side, still have libo to tackle soon
[15:17]  * NCommander runs through the nearest wall in horror
[15:17] <ogra_> i guess thats a good task for the sprint
[15:17] <ogra_> so we can spread the load a bit
[15:17] <ogra_> instead of having NCommander do it all alone as usual ;)
[15:17] <janimo> I still haven;t switched my panda to armhf but it is next step on the list
[15:18]  * NCommander whimpers
[15:18] <ogra_> the LibO bug seems to have a patch that just hasnt been tested yet
[15:18] <ogra_> and will need a build
[15:18] <GrueMaster> janimo: USB drive with two partitions.
[15:18] <NCommander> I still haven't recovered from the last time I tangled with the beast
[15:18] <janimo> ogra_, very likely, or needs some newish patch
[15:18] <ogra_> beyond that we should see that we get the above 200 universe ftbfs fixed
[15:18] <janimo> GrueMaster, yeah, I just wish we had a live installer to tell it to install to the usb disk :)
[15:18]  * GrueMaster notes that he has a 5s lag to freenode.
[15:18] <janimo> doable otherwise just noot fun
[15:19] <ogra_> i have taken a look over the logs and many are changed in the gthread lib it seems
[15:19] <GrueMaster> janimo: netinstall.
[15:19] <ogra_> should be easy to develop a general reciepe for these
[15:19] <janimo> GrueMaster, hmm will ask you more after the meeting then. Never did one of those, not even on x86
[15:19] <GrueMaster> kk
[15:19] <ogra_> janimo, do it at the sprint ;)
[15:20] <ogra_> surely easier to do face to face
[15:20] <janimo> yes, makes sense. Cause then I can also buy I bear :)
[15:20] <ogra_> yay, bears
[15:20] <janimo> one beer
[15:20]  * ogra_ likes bears :)
[15:20]  * GrueMaster doesn't dreak bear.
[15:20] <NCommander> janimo: I didn't know they sold bears in Romania
[15:20] <ogra_> they surely do ... more than anywhere else
[15:20] <janimo> NCommander, well sprint is in Hungary so there may be a small chance
[15:20] <GrueMaster> bah.  janimo's keyboard issue has affected me too.
[15:20] <ogra_> nothing from me on the topic anymore
[15:21] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity)
[15:21] <janimo> GrueMaster, not a keyboard issue unfortunately. Wetware malfunction
[15:21] <ogra_> didnt we decide to drop that last meeting ?
[15:21] <ogra_> move on :)
[15:21] <janimo> wow we drop armhf. nice
[15:21] <janimo> :P
[15:21] <ogra_> heh, only the topic
[15:21] <NCommander> Nice, so much free time now with no hf
[15:21]  * NCommander ducks
[15:21] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
[15:21] <ogra_> failed today ....
[15:22] <ogra_> thanks to chinese langpacks
[15:22] <ogra_> if they build tomorrow, i will not assume an asian conspiracy :)
[15:22] <ogra_> nothing else from me
[15:22] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)
[15:22] <ogra_> oh, someone should tell kubuntu to drop LibO from their seeds
[15:22] <NCommander> ScottK: ^
[15:22] <ogra_> if they want images at some point ;)
[15:22] <NCommander> ogra_: done
[15:23] <ogra_> heh
[15:23] <GrueMaster> I am seeing some issues with the QRT lately that I am tracking down.
[15:23] <GrueMaster> Some of the tests (mainly the nx tests) are producing random results.  In 1000 executions, 150 fail.
[15:24] <ogra_> is that something we could help you with during the sprint ?
[15:24] <NCommander> do we actually support NX support on ARM?
[15:24] <GrueMaster> I am working with kees, but it may be a kernel thing.
[15:24] <ogra_> yeah, we might miss a patch or so
[15:24] <GrueMaster> I was told we do.
[15:24] <ogra_> iirc the NX patch was big and ugly
[15:25] <ogra_> and in several chunks
[15:25] <NCommander> We'll kidnap a kernel engineer and hold him hostiage in our room at the sprint
[15:25] <ogra_> yeah
[15:25]  * ogra_ looks at ppisati 
[15:25] <ogra_> :)
[15:25]  * NCommander wonders what we can get for ransom
[15:25] <Riddell> ogra_: hmm?
[15:26] <GrueMaster> Not sure.  How much does pgraner value his crew?
[15:26] <ogra_> its not his crew atm, its tims
[15:26] <NCommander> Regardless, I think its just a matter of beer
[15:26] <janimo> Let's put beertraps in our sprint room. Kernel team likes beer, they will be lured
[15:26] <GrueMaster> So...not very much then.
[15:26] <ogra_> Riddell, your arm images fail regulary, you should temporary remove LibO from your seeds for the arm builds
[15:26] <janimo> everyone please notice the clever pun above
[15:26] <ogra_> haha
[15:27] <Riddell> ogra_: that's a known problem with libreoffice?
[15:27] <NCommander> janimo: if we put beer taps in our room, admittly, team moral will be very hihg
[15:27] <NCommander> Team productivity; not so much
[15:27] <ogra_> Riddell, it doesnt build on armhf atm
[15:27] <ogra_> NCommander, depends on what you want to produce
[15:27] <ogra_> ;)
[15:27] <janimo> but if we reach ballmer peak we may get both
[15:27] <NCommander> Riddell: you are suggesting that libreoffice doesn't have a problem
[15:27] <NCommander> ogra_: thanks, I needed to be squicked out this early in the morning
[15:27] <janimo> that statement is always false
[15:27] <pgraner> ogra_, still my crew, tim is my henchman
[15:28]  * NCommander needs brainbleach
[15:28] <ogra_> for producing reverse eaten lunch beer taps are great :)
[15:28] <ogra_> pgraner, oh, sorry
[15:28] <ogra_> move ?
[15:28] <NCommander> [topic] Linaro Updates (rsalveti)
[15:29] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/12.01
[15:29] <rsalveti> this is the stuff we're planning for this cycle
[15:29] <rsalveti> 2 thing that should affect ubuntu quite soon
[15:29] <rsalveti> newer u-boot-linaro and armhf packages for all linaro stuff
[15:29] <rsalveti> newer u-boot-linaro supports SPL for omap 3
[15:29] <janimo> rsalveti, is omap3 getting SPL this Ubuntu cycle?
[15:29] <rsalveti> so we'd need the same transition as we did for omap 4
[15:30] <janimo> ah, beta me to it :)
[15:30] <janimo> beat
[15:30]  * NCommander winces
[15:30] <rsalveti> janimo: we have it already, done by upstream
[15:30] <rsalveti> :-)
[15:30] <janimo> great
[15:30] <rsalveti> jcrigby is sick today, but he should be back soon
[15:30] <rsalveti> and will work on pushing this stuff forward
[15:30] <rsalveti> who should we ping before updating u-boot?
[15:30] <GrueMaster> me
[15:30] <NCommander> rsalveti: myself or ogra
[15:30] <rsalveti> to update the omap3 images to use SPL instead of X-Loader?
[15:30] <NCommander> or GrueMaster
[15:31]  * ogra_ is happy to take that one
[15:31] <rsalveti> great, everybody wants to kill x-loader ;-)
[15:31] <GrueMaster> I want to make sure it is tested before we kill kittens.
[15:31] <rsalveti> poor package
[15:31] <ogra_> what about the mx5 kernel ?
[15:31] <NCommander> [action] ogra + rsalveti to kill x-loader with fire
[15:31] <meetingology> ACTION: ogra + rsalveti to kill x-loader with fire
[15:31] <ogra_> :)
[15:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: also coming with the other armhf updates we need to push
[15:31] <rsalveti> we have a blueprint for that now
[15:31] <ogra_> k
[15:31] <rsalveti> to make sure we work on it asap
[15:31] <janimo> rsalveti, is the new uboot packaged and imported in linaro git already?
[15:31] <NCommander> rsalveti: will you be at budapest?
[15:31] <janimo> in ppa I mean
[15:32] <ogra_> NCommander, nobody will
[15:32] <ogra_> NCommander, as nobody from us will be in sanfrancisco
[15:32] <NCommander> Oh good, that means I can stay home
[15:32] <rsalveti> janimo: yes, you can test by simply installing the package available at our overlay
[15:32] <NCommander> :-)
[15:32] <janimo> nice
[15:32] <rsalveti> NCommander: unfortunately, no
[15:32] <rsalveti> nobody?
[15:32] <rsalveti> that's bad :-(
[15:32] <ogra_> well, nobody from linaro
[15:32] <rsalveti> we should have at least one engineer there
[15:32] <ogra_> :)
[15:32] <rsalveti> at connect
[15:32] <NCommander> rsalveti: I'll take it as a company sponsored mileage run :-P
[15:32] <ogra_> i was told lool might come though
[15:32] <NCommander> if no one will be there
[15:32] <ogra_> but that wasnt sure
[15:33] <ogra_> or finalized
[15:33] <rsalveti> yeah, still to be decided I believe
[15:33] <rsalveti> but don't hope anyone from linaro there
[15:33] <ogra_> right
[15:33] <rsalveti> but we should try to at least get someone at connect
[15:33] <rsalveti> from ubuntu arm
[15:33] <rsalveti> an engineer
[15:33] <ogra_> for the ubity merge i would really have preferred it
[15:33] <NCommander> Where's connect? SFO?
[15:33] <NCommander> (and when?)
[15:33] <ogra_> *unity
[15:33] <rsalveti> NCommander: yup
[15:33] <davidm> NCommander, yes
[15:33] <NCommander> cool
[15:34] <janimo> NCommander, not making too many miles off that flight from Portland
[15:34] <ogra_> NCommander, no travel approval for any of us yet
[15:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup, but travis is kind of away I believe, and things are starting to land
[15:34] <NCommander> janimo: I'd actually drive instead of fly for that one
[15:34] <rsalveti> so I expect things available quite soon
[15:34] <ogra_> yeah
[15:34] <NCommander> Getting around SFO is annoying without a car
[15:34] <rsalveti> at least after the discussion we had yesterday
[15:34] <ogra_> i see stuff happening atm
[15:34] <rsalveti> yup
[15:35] <ogra_> hopefully getting finished during next week :)
[15:35] <rsalveti> hopefully :D
[15:35] <rsalveti> that's the most important topics from my side
[15:35] <ogra_> only took us 2 years :P
[15:35] <janimo> rsalveti, thanks for the updates :)
[15:35] <ogra_> NCommander, move :)
[15:36] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:36] <GrueMaster> win32-image-writer has received several much needed updates over the holidays.
[15:36] <ogra_> awesome
[15:36] <ogra_> there were plenty people having issues with it
[15:36] <ogra_> in #pandaboard
[15:37] <ogra_> somehow it seems to have produced unbootable images
[15:37] <GrueMaster> Yes, I know.  I get flooded with emails from people that want fixes.
[15:37] <GrueMaster> It had issues with SD >2G.
[15:37] <ogra_> ah
[15:37]  * ogra_ has an AOb topic too ...
[15:37] <GrueMaster> Wonderful Windows documentation.
[15:37] <ogra_> please select the specs you will work on durign the sprint and let me know which they are :)
[15:38] <ogra_> *during
[15:38] <ogra_> and i have another AOB topic ...
[15:38] <NCommander> ogra_: mine is completely dependent on HW arriving by time the sprint arrives
[15:38] <ogra_> the weekly reports please dont go on the wiki anymore but by mail to david
[15:38] <NCommander> k
[15:39] <ogra_> NCommander, well, the server team told me there are a bunch of specs they could need help on that arent HW dependent
[15:39] <ogra_> lets talk to them at the sprint
[15:39] <ogra_> thats all from my side
[15:39] <NCommander> I think that's everything
[15:39] <GrueMaster> And there is plenty of test automation work for anyone (hint hint) to help with.
[15:39] <NCommander> Anyone else or can I close
[15:40] <NCommander> going once
[15:40] <NCommander> twice
[15:40] <ogra_> GrueMaster, yeah, just drop the issues on our laps
[15:40] <NCommander> ogra_: that's an unfortunate choice of words
[15:40] <ogra_> ..
[15:40] <ogra_> heh
[15:40] <NCommander> anyway
[15:40] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:40] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan  5 15:40:46 2012 UTC.
[15:40] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-05-15.00.moin.txt
[15:40]  * GrueMaster preps the automation lap dance.
[15:40] <ogra_> nice, 40min
[15:40]  * NCommander runs through another wall
[15:41]  * ogra_ notes to bring a video cam
[17:00] <beuno> o/
[17:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[17:00] <czajkowski> beuno: on time :)
[17:00] <beuno> that's my middle name
[17:01] <czajkowski> YokoZar: pleia2 akgraner ?
[17:01] <akgraner> o/
[17:01] <YokoZar> o/
[17:02] <czajkowski> shall we start
[17:02] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[17:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Jan  5 17:02:35 2012 UTC.  The chair is czajkowski. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:02] <pleia2> o/
[17:02] <czajkowski> welcome to the 1st meeting of the new year for the CC
[17:02] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[17:03] <czajkowski> rather empty agenda
[17:03] <czajkowski> Joeb454: ping
[17:03] <czajkowski> I did email the forums council after the last meeting and reinvite them, which they discussed at their meeting and said Joeb454 would attend
[17:04] <czajkowski> #topic review actions from last meeting
[17:04] <czajkowski> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/TeamReports/Current
[17:05] <czajkowski> YokoZar: how are we on the mailing list issues?
[17:05] <YokoZar> czajkowski: We've got a list of easy candidates to remove
[17:05] <YokoZar> Let me dig up the pad link...
[17:07] <YokoZar> So there were about 20 or so that should be non-controversial closes
[17:07] <Joeb454> czajkowski: hello
[17:08] <Joeb454> sorry, still stuck at ork
[17:08] <Joeb454> work*
[17:08] <czajkowski> YokoZar: so should we create a ticket to get them closed ?
[17:08] <YokoZar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/793936/
[17:08] <czajkowski> Joeb454: great we'll get to you in a few if that's ok
[17:08] <Joeb454> no problem
[17:08] <YokoZar> Yeah, everything in that list I think, except ubuntu-mozillateam
[17:08] <czajkowski> ok I'll get a ticket created for those lists
[17:08] <sabdfl> hi folks, sorry to be tardy
[17:09] <czajkowski> if everyone is ok with that
[17:09] <YokoZar> micahg: any comment on the ubuntu-mozillateam list?
[17:09] <beuno> czajkowski, yeap, sounds like a good idea
[17:09] <pleia2> weren't we going to email the list owner before shutting them down?
[17:09] <pleia2> I know teams like -screencasts have sort of been struggling to stay alive over the years
[17:10] <czajkowski> pleia2: that was discussed but nobody say it was going to be done or not done, but seeing as many of the oweners are long gone does seem to drag the process out
[17:10] <YokoZar> czajkowski: in the ticket also mention that they should be marked as (closed) and moved to the bottom of the lists.ubuntu.com page
[17:10] <czajkowski> YokoZar: nods
[17:10] <pleia2> "Once inactive lists are identified, the team owner and list admins will be notified, RT ticket submitted"
[17:11] <pleia2> ^^ from our last meeting
[17:11] <pleia2> so I thought this would be a process, not just immediate shut down
[17:11] <pleia2> there isn't really a reason to rush things, email list admins, wait two weeks, email rt
[17:11] <czajkowski> ok does someone want to contact the admins of those teams
[17:11] <YokoZar> pleia2: That was before we realized that just about every item in the list hadn't had posts in over a year
[17:12] <czajkowski> some 2007 and 2008
[17:12] <YokoZar> pleia2: But I don't have any objections on principle or anything, if you can even figure out who to contact
[17:12] <pleia2> I can send emails to the people publically listed as admins on each list
[17:13] <pleia2> that would be "$foo list run by $bar" at the bottom of the info page
[17:13] <YokoZar> personally I'm inclined to close it even if they reply they want it open since we already have a ton of evidence it doesn't seem to be particularly useful
[17:14] <czajkowski> Gwaihir: beuno akgraner sabdfl thoughts ?
[17:14] <akgraner> The kernel one I know can be closed - I asked Pete about it a week or so ago and he said close it
[17:14] <pleia2> restoring deleted mailman lists is not fun, I wouldn't want to put IS through that, particularly since I don't know why we're rushing anyway (these lists have been dead for a long time)
[17:14] <pleia2> just give me two weeks ;)
[17:15] <sabdfl> +1 on the two weeks
[17:15] <akgraner> +1 on pleia2 suggestion
[17:15] <sabdfl> then let's nuke 'em
[17:15] <czajkowski> ok
[17:15] <sabdfl> no restoration
[17:15] <beuno> sure
[17:15] <pleia2> I'll get the emails out tonight
[17:15] <czajkowski> #action pleia2 to contact the mailing lists and let them know the lists being closed after that as inactive
[17:15] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to contact the mailing lists and let them know the lists being closed after that as inactive
[17:15] <czajkowski> and then i'll do the RT
[17:15] <czajkowski> cool
[17:16] <czajkowski> akgraner: from the last meeting action item akgraner to blog process for UWN and Fridge
[17:16] <akgraner> eek - I'll do that today :-)
[17:16] <czajkowski> ok
[17:16] <pleia2> since I'm the one sending the emails out I'd be happy to do that
[17:16] <pleia2> I can include the text I'm sending
[17:17] <akgraner> pleia2, great then I hand it off to you
[17:17] <akgraner> with a huge Thank you!
[17:17] <czajkowski> #action pleia2 to blog process for UWN and Fridge
[17:17] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to blog process for UWN and Fridge
[17:17] <YokoZar> There is a technical difference between deleted and closed here, yes?
[17:17] <czajkowski> ok anything else to review before we move on folks
[17:18] <czajkowski> ok
[17:18] <czajkowski> #topic Forums Catch up
[17:18] <czajkowski> Joeb454: thanks for coming along to this
[17:18] <czajkowski> Joeb454: is there anyone else from the FC here with you ?
[17:18] <Joeb454> no problem. I know jdong said he'd try and come along too
[17:18] <Joeb454> it's generally a bad time for most of the FC though, due to timezones and work I guess
[17:19] <czajkowski> Joeb454: nods we do appreciate it. This came up at UDS and we're going to talk to all the councils and boards to check in and see how things are doing
[17:19] <Joeb454> s.fox and bodhi.zazen have said they can't make it because of those reasons too
[17:19] <czajkowski> so care to tell us about the FC and how things are going , I know I saw a request come in there before xmas from ye guys
[17:20] <Joeb454> as far as I can tell, things are going ok. I think all of us need to be a little more aware of what responsibilities we have etc, like the mailing list for example (there were 9 requests to do yesterday)
[17:21] <Joeb454> I appreciate the time of year probably hasn't helped with that though, but it's a discussion point I'll bring up with the rest of the FC at some point in the not-too-distant future
[17:21] <Joeb454> the upgrade process is ongoing (which is the request you probably saw). We're in touch with Canonical IS now, but there's the old issue of "who's responsible for what" which we're just trying to iron out now
[17:22] <czajkowski> Joeb454: with regards to the ml moderation, I know personaly it can eat up time, have you thought about adding all of the council on as amdins to help with the load, so it doesnt build up
[17:23] <Joeb454> I think all the council are admins, they certainly used to be, but I'll double check that one though :)
[17:24] <sabdfl> is the upgrade particularly difficult?
[17:24] <czajkowski> It may be one way to stop it falling on one person and just remind people to check it
[17:24] <sabdfl> i believe there may be a blocking issue on OpenID, or does the newer version already support it?
[17:24] <sabdfl> i thought we paid for that support to be added?
[17:25] <Joeb454> sabdfl: I don't know about that. The blocker is OpenID, but we need to find out how many people use it really to determine whether it's something we can break temporarily to get the upgrade done
[17:26] <Joeb454> I don't want to remove the functionality, but at the same time, the software is getting quite old now, I'm not sure they do security updates for our version anymore
[17:26] <czajkowski> Joeb454: whats the rt ticket number ?
[17:26] <Joeb454> czajkowski: for the upgrade, or for openID?
[17:27] <czajkowski> may as well take both and go talk to the nice folks in IS
[17:27] <Joeb454> I'm not sure what they are, I'll try and find them now, but if not I'll look later and send them to the CC
[17:27] <sabdfl> i really don't want to regress
[17:27] <sabdfl> afaiac we should use openid exclusively
[17:28] <sabdfl> any ubuntu user on any site should have one and only one password across the whole lot
[17:28] <sabdfl> this is 2012 :-)
[17:28] <czajkowski> Joeb454: ok thanks if you poke me I'll chase up on them and then follow up with the CC
[17:28] <czajkowski> sabdfl: +1
[17:28] <Joeb454> sabdfl: agreed, I'd like to use the SSO as well
[17:28] <sabdfl> i'd like to shut down old passwords and provide a mechanism for folk to activate openid
[17:28] <sabdfl> ok. all the mechanisms we use are open, why not call for help from the community to close that gap
[17:29] <sabdfl> i'll get the upgrade done as a priority if that's done
[17:29] <Joeb454> I'm not sure how easy that is, there'd be a lot of legacy users that don't use openID, so we'd need to provide a way to get them migrated to the new system if they suddenly decide to login
[17:29] <czajkowski> Joeb454: when you say a lot, how many is that roughly?
[17:30] <czajkowski> or is it possible to know ?
[17:30] <beuno> AFAIK, it was in the tens of thousands
[17:30] <czajkowski> :o
[17:30] <Joeb454> czajkowski: I haven't a clue. It might be possible to do a SQL query on the DB, but I don't have access to that. It'll be a fairly big number though
[17:30] <Joeb454> I've associated my account with SSO, but don't use it. The previous implementation didn't seem to like keeping people logged in
[17:31] <czajkowski> that is a bit of a bug
[17:31] <Joeb454> yeah I think that was what stopped quite a few people using it
[17:31] <Joeb454> we'd also need to consider the people that are signed into SSO and then visit the forums, we'd need to prompt them to create a profile if they don't already have one
[17:32] <Joeb454> [17:28] < sabdfl> i'd like to shut down old passwords and provide a mechanism for folk to activate openid
[17:32] <Joeb454> [17:28] < sabdfl> ok. all the mechanisms we use are open, why not call for help from the
[17:32] <czajkowski> a lot of kinks need working out
[17:32] <Joeb454>                   community to close that gap
[17:32] <Joeb454> [17:29] < sabdfl> i'll get the upgrade done as a priority if that's done
[17:32] <Joeb454> oops, sorry
[17:32] <Joeb454> czajkowski: definitely
[17:32] <czajkowski> Joeb454: and ask sabdfl has said, do you have community folks on the forums willing to help make this happen ?
[17:33] <Joeb454> I can put out a request for anybody to help get SSO implemented, but then how would we get them access to the test environment/vbulletin code etc.
[17:35] <czajkowski> I'm sure we could get something worked out, given we get the loco team portal updated by folks
[17:36] <czajkowski> but the hows and whens I'm unsure of
[17:37] <czajkowski> Joeb454: any other comments regarding the FC, enough members ?
[17:38] <Joeb454> other than my initial comments, I don't have any issues. Some members are quieter than others, which is to be expected anyway
[17:39] <czajkowski> Joeb454: do ye have regular meetings? does everyone take part?
[17:40] <Joeb454> we're trying to get into more regular meetings again, but the lack of agenda items makes them a little difficult to plan properly. We're making progress with it though
[17:40] <czajkowski> Joeb454: yes i can understand the no agenda so no meeting, however getting into the habit of turning up and planning things is a good idea tbh.
[17:41] <czajkowski> shows activeity and in future makes getting folks onto a council easier by showing what ye do and when
[17:41] <czajkowski> just a thought :)
[17:41] <Joeb454> definitely. As I said, we're making progress and getting back into it. I don't think we had meetings for a while (certainly before I joined the council anyway)
[17:42] <czajkowski> ok well thanks for keeping us up to date
[17:42] <czajkowski> if we cna help in any other way please let us know.
[17:42] <Joeb454> as for taking part, I think I mentioned above, some more than others, but I have an email floating around in my head that will be making its way to the FC soon anyway (I've been guilty of not doing as much as I feel I should)
[17:42] <Joeb454> of course :)
[17:42] <YokoZar> Thanks :)
[17:42] <czajkowski> I've no more comments or questions
[17:42] <czajkowski> I do appreciate learning about the FC and the work yer doing
[17:43] <beuno> Joeb454, yeap, all sounds good, great work
[17:43] <sabdfl> thank you
[17:44] <Joeb454> czajkowski: I'll try and get more people next time, but 17:00 UTC isn't the best of times, what with the variety of EU/US timezones we have, they all fall wrong
[17:44] <czajkowski> Joeb454: thank you
[17:44] <czajkowski> Joeb454: thats fine maybe next cycle again before we do a catch up
[17:44] <Joeb454> czajkowski: sounds good :)
[17:44] <czajkowski> #action Joeb454 to mail czajkowski with RT numbers
[17:44] <meetingology> ACTION: Joeb454 to mail czajkowski with RT numbers
[17:45] <Joeb454> thanks all. sabdfl I'll find out about the SSO stuff and email the CC as well
[17:45] <czajkowski> #action czajkowski follow up with IS re  FC tickets
[17:45] <meetingology> ACTION: czajkowski follow up with IS re  FC tickets
[17:45] <czajkowski> #topic AOB
[17:45] <sabdfl> thanks Joeb454
[17:45] <czajkowski> akgraner: beuno Gwaihir pleia2 sabdfl YokoZar any thing else to discuss?
[17:46] <akgraner> nothing from me
[17:46] <Gwaihir> nothing in particular from me to
[17:46] <beuno> nope, I'm good. Still kick-starting my brain this year
[17:46] <YokoZar> Happy new year folks
[17:46] <beuno> also, all my machines have been on precise for a month
[17:47] <czajkowski> going to upgrade in a few mins to Precise
[17:47] <beuno> which has been super smooth for an alpha state!
[17:47] <czajkowski> by all accounts it sounds good
[17:47] <czajkowski> ok ending meeting so
[17:47] <czajkowski> unless anyone has anything else we need to look at ?
[17:47] <sabdfl> all clear here
[17:47] <sabdfl> thank you!
[17:47] <czajkowski> #endmeeting
[17:47] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan  5 17:47:41 2012 UTC.
[17:47] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-01-05-17.02.moin.txt
[17:47] <czajkowski> ta da
[17:47] <czajkowski> done
[17:47] <czajkowski> :)
[17:47] <pleia2> thanks czajkowski
[17:47] <akgraner> Thanks czajkowski!
[17:47] <czajkowski> no bother
[17:48] <beuno> o/
[17:48] <czajkowski> beuno: you're turn next time
[17:48] <czajkowski> forgot to add that bit in
[17:48] <beuno> ack!
[20:31] <czajkowski> Joeb454: when you're back online give me a pm please.
[21:06]  * chilicuil away brb