[00:00] <czajkowski> aquarius: daft Q when you purchase U1 music and download it to the music application you use, how can change that to store it locally ?
[00:00] <aquarius> not sure I understand the question
[00:01] <aquarius> it *is* stored locally
[00:01] <ali1234> surely that depends which music app you use?
[00:01] <czajkowski> as in my music folder I'd assumed to find my music, yet it;s not there I've to go to banshee to play the stuff I've bought
[00:01] <aquarius> it's just stored in a different folder
[00:01] <aquarius> look in .ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One
[00:01] <czajkowski> where?
[00:01] <czajkowski> I don't see that on machine
[00:02] <czajkowski> hmm maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
[00:02] <czajkowski> ahhh
[00:02] <czajkowski> there
[00:02] <aquarius> in your home folder. You may need to turn on "show hidden files", because it's called .ubuntuone
[00:03] <czajkowski> aye found via command line
[00:03] <czajkowski> why the hell is it hidden
[00:03] <czajkowski> :/
[00:03] <aquarius> because the best way to play your music is through the music app, not by poking around in the file manager.
[00:04] <czajkowski> not when I want to drag them onto my phone :)
[00:04]  * AlanBell liberated stuff from there and put in music
[00:04] <aquarius> drag them from Rhythmbox or Banshee to the file manager window showing your phone.
[00:05] <aquarius> you do not need to dig around in the file manager to find the mp3 files. Trust me on this. :)
[00:05] <czajkowski> and the bug I reported as well meant I was losing track of what music I had downloaded so was trying to keep an eye on what should and shouldnt be there
[00:05] <aquarius> speaking purely for myself, I just put all my music in u1 and then use the music streaming app.
[00:05] <aquarius> but that's me :)
[00:05] <czajkowski> i've not had great sucess with the streaming app
[00:05] <czajkowski> but that was on the hero
[00:06] <czajkowski> I may try it again on this phone
[00:06] <aquarius> should still work, although the hero's a bit old these days. (It was good; that's why I had one too. But it might struggle a bit with more modern apps.)
[00:06] <aquarius> be worth trying again, I suggest
[00:06] <czajkowski> yup
[00:06] <aquarius> AlanBell, you can do that, indeed. You run a small risk of the music store losing track of whether you've bought a song and so downloading it again, though
[00:07] <czajkowski> and if they fix my bug I reported I cna go back to downloading the rest of my purhcased music and stop bothering you :)
[00:08] <AlanBell> aquarius: I bought one CD which I can't remember what it is, and that twisted sister song
[00:08] <aquarius> :)
[00:08] <aquarius> then not too big a worry. :)
[00:13] <czajkowski> that;s what happened me I copied on one machine locally and deleted them by accident now I need to download them all again
[00:13] <czajkowski> very timely
[00:25] <aquarius> *pants*
[00:25] <aquarius> the two laptops have incompatible drives
[00:25] <aquarius> different connectors.
[00:26] <aquarius> grargh. :(
[00:26] <aquarius> the broken one is sata
[00:26] <aquarius> my replacement is ide
[00:26] <aquarius> :(
[00:26]  * aquarius sobs
[00:26] <hamitron> :/
[00:27] <aquarius> somewhere around I have a disc caddy which has a 64GB SSD in it, which I'd donate to the cause if I could FIND IT
[00:27]  * aquarius headbutts everything
[00:27] <aquarius> anyone seen it?
[00:28] <hamitron> I've seen a 64Gb SSD before
[00:28] <hamitron> not sure it is the same one ;/
[00:28] <aquarius> can't think where I'd have put it
[00:28] <aquarius> well, that's not true; I can think of where I'd have put it, which is in my leads box, and it isn't there. Can't think of where *else* I'd have put it :(
[00:29] <hamitron> spare hdd box?
[00:29] <aquarius> who do I look like, Evelyn de Rothschildt? I don't have that many spare drives :)
[00:29] <aquarius> there's the one in my old laptop, but I'm not sure I wanna give that up.
[00:30] <hamitron> must admit, I don't have enough laptop hdd for a dedicated box either
[00:31] <hamitron> just 2
[00:31] <hamitron> :/
[00:31] <czajkowski> spare one here in london aquarius but a bit far to travel at night
[00:32] <aquarius> I can even tell you what colour the caddy is! where is it?? Stupid thing.
[00:33]  * aquarius tries summoning it by telekinesis
[00:33] <hamitron> is it black?
[00:33] <aquarius> sort of a teal-y greenish-blue colour.
[00:33] <hamitron> yuck :/
[00:34] <aquarius> I've already tried that thing where you flop into a chair exhausted and then let your gaze idly drop to a place and lo, there it is. Didn't work.
[00:34] <czajkowski> aquarius: knowing you, it's with your power adaptors and passport :)
[00:34]  * aquarius chuckles.
[00:34] <aquarius> In the search, I found 4 (four) power adaptors.
[00:34] <aquarius> I know where the passport is :)
[00:34] <czajkowski> 4
[00:34] <czajkowski> good lord man
[00:34] <aquarius> yeah, that goes along with the two already in my laptop bag ;)
[00:34] <czajkowski> are they all USA or at least half EU
[00:34] <czajkowski> special aq
[00:35] <aquarius> three EU, two US/AU, one boxy thing that works everywhere
[00:35] <czajkowski> and no hdd
[00:35] <aquarius> this is what happens when you buy a new adaptor on every trip for two years
[00:35] <aquarius> no hdd. grrrrrrrr
[00:36] <aquarius> ok, so it's give back a non-working computer, or give up my really fast spare SSD which I don't want to do, or find the old SSD which I don't mind giving up but can't find.
[00:36] <aquarius> my life is rubbish.
[00:36] <czajkowski> aquarius: or wait till the mornign and do a maplan run and get one and yer sorted
[00:37] <aquarius> yeah, but then I'm blowing out half my day with my daughter in order to ponce about with someone else's laptop, which I don't really wanna do :(
[00:38] <aquarius> found a PCMCIA 10baseT wireless card, if anyone wants one
[00:39] <czajkowski> Im sure niamh would understand given who it's for. You could show her how to put it in without breaking it :)
[00:40] <pauljwells> Anybody help me booting 3.0 kernel on powerpc G5?
[00:43] <czajkowski> aquarius: is it in a box in the spare room in the cubbord on the top shelf ?
[00:43] <aquarius> nope
[00:44] <aquarius> /!\ No results found for "where is my spare ssd".
[00:44] <aquarius> even google is no help
[00:44] <aquarius> "All the world's information". Yeah, right
[00:44] <czajkowski> Google isn't helping me sleep either
[00:45] <hamitron> pauljwells, linuxfromscratch docs may help
[00:45] <czajkowski> aquarius: are you really sure you have a spare ssd and didnt' pawn it off to someone else ?
[00:45] <aquarius> well.
[00:45] <aquarius> the thought has occurred to me that it was on the Big List Of Stuff I Gave To Adam.
[00:45] <aquarius> I don't *think* it was.
[00:45] <czajkowski> aquarius: ring him
[00:46] <aquarius> it's quarter to one in the morning!
[00:47] <czajkowski> aquarius: you;re up, I'm up and others are, he;s a geek he's boud to be
[00:50] <aquarius> ha! not sgned into chat. So, not awake. :)
[00:51] <czajkowski> great logic there aquarius
[00:51] <czajkowski> I'm totally amazed you dont know where your ssd is
[00:52]  * hamitron is too tight to buy one to use, nevermind lose one
[00:52] <czajkowski> hamitron: meet aquarius he loses lots of things and then finds them at the wrong time
[00:52] <hamitron> hehe :)
[00:52] <czajkowski> gah I can hear bf sleeping wtf cant I sleep
[00:53] <hamitron> doesn't help, typing on IRC tbh
[00:53] <hamitron> ;)
[00:53] <hamitron> although , we ofc love you to be here ;D
[00:53] <czajkowski> hes in bed I'm in the tv room
[00:53] <czajkowski> hamitron: thanks!
[00:54] <hamitron> I wonder why geeks stay up late?
[00:54] <hamitron> :/
[00:57] <czajkowski> I'm crap at sleeping
[00:57] <hamitron> I'm fairly good at it tbh, just not at the right times :/
[00:57]  * czajkowski imagines aquarius from the lack of noise running around the house pulling bags and boxes out looking for his ssd 
[00:58] <aquarius> dead on right.
[00:58] <hamitron> hehe
[00:58] <czajkowski> whats wore is I can almost hear the swearing from here
[00:58] <czajkowski> and scratching his head and looking for a cig
[00:58] <czajkowski> *worse
[01:00] <aquarius> ok, now officially annoyed.
[01:01] <aquarius> I may have to just flounce off to bed in a huff, I think. Grr. Perhaps it'll turn up tomorrow.
[01:01] <aquarius> ttfn, all.
[01:01] <hamitron> o/
[01:02] <czajkowski> aquarius: toodles
[01:02] <czajkowski> bet it comes to him in the middle of the night
[01:03] <czajkowski> and then remembers where it is
[01:27] <directhex> maybe he left it in a dodgy birmingham bar as he left in disgust, for the crime of playing "mr brightside" at him
[02:44] <Azelphur> can you not buy ksplice any more?
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:42] <shauno> morning
[07:48] <shauno> after a week in the UK, I can confirm real ales are alive and kicking in the north east, and geordies might actually be in the running for the friendliest people on earth.  fun week
[08:02] <DJones> Morning all
[08:53] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning all - nice roundup of whats new in kernel 3.2 -: http://www.h-online.com/open/features/What-s-new-in-Linux-3-2-1400680.html
[09:10] <daubers> \o/
[09:10] <mattt> morning morning
[09:10] <daubers> achievment unlocked: Made the estate agents panic
[09:10] <mattt> daubers: how so?
[09:10] <czajkowski> daubers: heh how so ?
[09:11] <daubers> mattt: Landlord let himself in again yesterday and left the door unlocked. So rang the agents today and asked for a copy of either the court order or a description of the emergency for which he let himself in with
[09:11] <daubers> No notice == no acces
[09:12] <mattt> yeah, gotta give 24 hours notice or some crap right?
[09:12] <daubers> Yup, unless in an emergency or unless they have a court order granting them access
[09:12] <mattt> daubers: did you land your place in newbury?
[09:12] <daubers> mattt: No :(
[09:13] <mattt> :(
[09:13] <daubers> mattt: Turns out the area is like a demiliterised zone
[09:13] <mattt> what do you mean?
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> Demilitarized is good. No tanks roaming the streets, etc. :P
[09:14] <daubers> The area that house was in had a lot of a reputation when we asked around
[09:14] <DJones> daubers: You make it sound like Tripoli
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> DJones: Newbury, Tripoli. Easy typo to make
[09:14] <mattt> :)
[09:15] <czajkowski> daubers: interesting in my old place in aldershot landlord used to come and go as he pleased one day he let himself in to use the internet, his reasons were house was still being set up (not really) and we leased rooms not the entire house but yet he was in our communal area
[09:15] <mattt> i've had my apartment for 2.5 years now, never seen the landlord once since we moved in
[09:15] <mattt> maybe he's been sneaking in behind my back :P
[09:15] <daubers> czajkowski: http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/home_and_neighbourhood_index_ew/renting_a_home_index_ew/common_problems_with_renting.htm#The_landlords_rights_of_entry
[09:16] <mattt> daubers: familiar w/ purley?  we've put an offer on a place there ...
[09:16] <daubers> mattt: Purley is supposed to be quite nice
[09:16] <czajkowski> daubers: aye I did look it at the time, but again we leased rooms not a house.
[09:16] <czajkowski> I recognise that name as a train stop I pass on the way to caterham
[09:16] <mattt> daubers: i hope so ... made sure the house is outside of any flooding area :)
[09:16] <daubers> czajkowski: In that scenario I'd check your contract and ask at the cab
[09:17] <czajkowski> daubers: tis cool I dont live there any more and he as within his rights
[09:17] <daubers> mattt: I've driven through there a couple of times. Seem's nice and quiet
[09:17] <mattt> this site is brilliant if you're looking for a place to live: http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/default.aspx
[09:18] <daubers> czajkowski: I've been tempted to ring the agents a couple of times after he's done it and say "We got home today, noticed the landlord had let himself in again and the TV is missing...."
[09:18] <mattt> daubers: lol
[09:19] <czajkowski> daubers: what has the agent said to you regarding him letting himself in ?
[09:19] <daubers> czajkowski: He's not allowed to. They agree and weren't surprised when I told them I'd just ring the police next time he did on the last occasion he did, which is why I've asked for the documentation this time
[09:20] <czajkowski> hmm very odd they didnt ring him and warn him
[09:20] <czajkowski> and more daft of him to then do so again
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: he might not care
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: or think it's "just a threat"
[09:20] <daubers> Last time he did it he covered half our stuff with paint and I ripped into them
[09:20] <czajkowski> unless as one of my mates landlord said, it's still his property and he's entitled to check on things
[09:20] <daubers> czajkowski: He's not
[09:20] <daubers> He has to give 24 hours notice
[09:21] <czajkowski> daubers: I appreciate he has to,  I do. but ....
[09:21] <daubers> If he supplies 24 hours notice in writing, we can't refuse him entry, but he can't let himself in without giving notice or our agreement
[09:21] <czajkowski> nods
[09:21] <daubers> It's in the housing act
[09:21] <daubers> or the landlord and tennant act, one of those two
[09:22] <oimon> ugh..don't put your breakfast almond croissant in the same bag as an onion roll.
[09:22] <daubers> I'm done with playing games, he's proven he doesn't really care by telling me that he'll fix the building issues "Before the next tennants move in"
[09:22] <shauno> I do wonder if it's a little bit odd in places where you're letting a room, rather than the whole property.  I've been quite clear on that bit
[09:22] <shauno> er, never been quite clear, rather
[09:24] <popey> Morning ratfans!
[09:24] <daubers> Morning
[09:25]  * daubers goes to order a new laptop and wait for the estate agent to ring back
[09:26] <oimon> for yourself daubers?
[09:30] <DJones> grr. Sourceforge is down
[09:33] <oimon> call the cops
[09:34] <oimon> bah, their status page is broken too
[09:34] <DJones> oimon: I tried that :)
[09:35] <daubers> oimon: Yeah new work laptop for me
[09:35] <DJones> I guess they must still be on holiday, their twitter account hasn't been updated either
[09:36] <oimon> i'm an excellent speller but find it hard to remember the spelling of veeam , such a lame word
[09:37] <oimon> often get veaam or veamm
[09:39] <DJones> oimon: Is that even a word?
[09:39] <oimon> not a word, but a product
[09:39] <DJones> Ah, that explains why I can't find a definition in a dictionary
[09:40] <DJones> I was trying to look it up to see what it meant
[09:40] <oimon> i have my blanket again today. i wonder if i can take it to a meeting
[09:41] <DJones> I could do with a hot water bottle
[09:41] <oimon> did that last year. tootsies get rather cold in this office
[09:55] <oimon> if you are applying for a role/project at work, is it arrogant on the form to say that $company would benefit from my services?
[09:56] <popey> daubers: what you gettin?
[09:56] <daubers> popey: Samsung i5 thing
[09:57] <daubers> popey: http://www.added-dimension.co.uk/ExpertNotes/2011/Samsung/Notebooks/NP-600B4B-A01UK.pdf <- That
[09:58] <gord> oimon, if you have to ask, its probably not worth taking the risk
[09:59] <oimon> :P
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: maybe, maybe not
[09:59] <oimon> changed it to "i have a lot to offer"
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: you're trying to get them to buy what you're selling
[09:59] <gord> i will pay you ten english pounds if you change that to "otter"
[09:59] <gordonjcp> oimon: if you have a specific thing they can benefit from that you do, you should tell them
[09:59]  * oimon finds a suitably ambiguous font
[10:00] <DJones> oimon: Comic Sans :)
[10:00] <popey> nice daubers
[10:00] <gord> i had to print out some labels over the holidays, used the ubuntu font of course. something about it seemed quite comic sansey. kinda weird when it looks quite professional on all my displays
[10:01] <oimon> using glabel? that's a great app
[10:01] <oimon> especially for jam jars
[10:01] <JamesTait> Morning all.
[10:02] <gord> erm, i used open office, i guess, or libre office? i don't know. i pressed the document button on my launcher and got something and it had a label button
[10:02] <oimon> shame, glabel is a joy
[10:02] <gord> whatever it was let me select the specific paper type i was using and let me edit the text that was printed on them, pretty much all i needed ;)
[10:40] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:41] <Laney> ello
[10:41] <brobostigon> hello Laney
[10:41] <Laney> alright?
[10:41] <brobostigon> not in the slightest, my eczema is pretty bad. and you?
[10:41] <Laney> oh :(
[10:42] <brobostigon> agreed, yes.
[10:42] <Laney> back at work blues
[10:42] <Laney> listening to uupc though, and glad to see that they propogated the "fedex arrow" disease to others :-)
[10:43] <brobostigon> :)
[10:43] <popey> i didnt look during the show
[10:43] <popey> just looked
[10:43] <popey> can't unlook
[10:43] <Laney> you definitely can't unsee it
[10:43] <Laney> but your mission becomes to spread the virus as wide as possible
[10:45] <popey> which reminds me
[10:45]  * popey fires up gpodder
[10:48] <Laney> now i feel christmassy again
[10:50] <Laney> pretty blowy out there, eh?
[11:03] <davmor2> Morning All
[11:03]  * davmor2 tickles czajkowski 
[11:06] <hoover> morning
[11:08] <czajkowski> davmor2: hello my dear how are you this fantastic morning
[11:09]  * davmor2 staples czajkowski hair to the back of her chair for being so damn cheerful
[11:09] <davmor2> Fine thanks
[11:09] <davmor2> you?
[11:09] <czajkowski> great thanks
[11:23] <MooDoo> good morning davmor2 kind sir and czajkowski beautiful ma'am :D
[11:23] <popey> creep
[11:23] <MooDoo> oh ello popey you old git ;)
[11:23] <popey> thats more like it
[11:24] <gord> if i ever see davmor2 with a stapler in his hand, i'm going to judo chop him in the face.
[11:24] <MooDoo> gord: remove the first part and just jodo chop him any way
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello poppin, how was your Christmas?
[11:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski: it was fabulous my darling, i hope you got everything your beautiful heart desired ;)
[11:26] <czajkowski> I did indeed, it was great
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski: fabbo, i got a new camera :D
[11:26] <czajkowski> oh snazzy what kind ?
[11:27] <czajkowski> hmm that reminds me I need to get a lens protector and some cleaning fluid
[11:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: Nikon D300s with a MB-d10 battery grip :)
[11:28] <davmor2> popey: did you like the youtube video of minecraft with wii remote :)
[11:28] <popey> didnt see it
[11:31] <davmor2> Jan 04 12:51:13 <davmor2>	popey: this one is for you and the minecraft massive http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgJHDPTN5gw
[11:32] <czajkowski> MooDoo: nice
[11:33] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yes it is :)
[11:34] <popey> heh
[12:11] <czajkowski> danfish: AlanBell mattt just rang grounpon and got them to reset my code will be fixed on monday, seems to have been some issue with the codes being uploaded. you can email them to get yours reset
[12:11] <bigcalm> davmor2: whom are you calling massive?
[12:13] <davmor2> bigcalm: I know there is big following and posse didn't sound right :D
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> Jungle is massive?
[12:16] <daubers> Wicked?
[12:16] <gord> the 90's was 12 years ago, let it go :P
[12:16]  * bigcalm wibbles
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> gord: NO!
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> "_
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> :)
[12:17] <davmor2> gord: I'm stuck in the 80's dude leave me be
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: 1880s?
[12:17] <gord> spent a good chunk of yesterday trying to remember the name of that red headed comedian that would fake interview people on the red carpet in the 90's. finally remembered this morning -_-
[12:18] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I ain't that old :P
[12:18] <bigcalm> gord: whom was it?
[12:18] <gord> bigcalm, that would ruin all the fun wouldn't it?
[12:19] <christel> haha
[12:19] <bigcalm> I don't remember such things any way :P
[12:20] <monsterwizard> what does everyone think of my set up
[12:20] <monsterwizard> http://goo.gl/uK2fh
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> monsterwizard: reverse nyan cats?
[12:20] <bigcalm> Someone set us up the bomb
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://unhearit.com/
[12:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:21] <bigcalm> What I'm currently listening to has a bit of a rude name, so won't repeat it
[12:22] <davmor2> gord: I vaguely remember that
[12:22] <Dave2> I was confused and then realized that this wasn't the channel I thought it was
[12:22] <bigcalm> Dave2: disturbing isn't it?
[12:22]  * christel channels Dave2 
[12:22] <bigcalm> Oh my
[12:22] <Dave2> !
[12:22] <christel> I'll disturbe YOUR channel
[12:22] <christel> (did i do it right?)
[12:22] <bigcalm> You have
[12:22] <gord> Dave2, check around your surroundings for jedi's
[12:23] <christel> \o/
[12:23] <christel> do you know what i did yesterday?
[12:23] <christel> i installed ubuntu for the first time evar
[12:23] <bigcalm> No, but I know what you did last summer
[12:23] <bigcalm> Ooo
[12:23] <popey> \o/
[12:23] <bigcalm> What drove you over the edge?
[12:23] <christel> having always said that it was a silly distro and i'd stick to debian etc
[12:23] <davmor2> Dave2: This is not the channel you are looking for, you can go about your business, move along, move along
[12:24] <christel> bigcalm: well, i feel it was only fair seeing how i keep impersonating an ubuntu user and attend all these ubuntu social events full of lovely people
[12:24] <christel> and you know, i sort of like it
[12:24] <bigcalm> \o/
[12:24] <daubers> the lovely people are the big pull factor for ubuntu - *FACT*
[12:24] <gord> "Ubuntu: I sort of like it". we should put that on the website
[12:24] <bigcalm> Haha
[12:25] <christel> haha
[12:25] <monsterwizard> http://unhearit.com/
[12:25] <gordonjcp> "Ubuntu - it's not that bad when you get your head round it"
[12:25] <davmor2> christel: Isn't that like most people saying it's the most amazing thing in the universe?
[12:25] <christel> :P
[12:25] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski
[12:26] <davmor2> christel: Blame czajkowski she isn't breaking, damn her!
[12:26] <christel> davmor2: don't break her, she's going in to be repaired tomorrow -- wait until she returns!
[12:27] <bigcalm> The ubuntu-uk website needs a 'faint praise' section
[12:27] <christel> it'll be much more satisfying then!
[12:27] <christel> it also was much quicker to install than gentoo.. who would have thought it?
[12:27] <christel> :P
[12:27] <davmor2> christel: No then I have to be nice till she is better then I get to annoy her really good :)
[12:27] <christel> *grin*
[12:28] <bep> Ho
[12:28] <bep> oh noes
[12:28] <christel> i may give it a try for a while, we shall see how i like it
[12:28] <davmor4> 4 is better than 3
[12:28] <christel> i've even decided to give unity a fair try (though xfce may be pulling me back)
[12:28] <davmor4> even better than 2
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor4: why not pi?
[12:29]  * davmor4 chuckles
[12:29] <oimon> my brother in law "hey oimon i instaleld ubuntu on my laptop, it's brilliant, it's really improved since that time you tried to get me to use it 5 years ago". me: " hey that's great. glad you enjoy.which version?" b-in-law: "the latest one, 11.04 i think",
[12:29] <popey> Excellent.
[12:30] <christel> \o/
[12:30] <popey> Screw you, nay-sayers!
[12:30] <oimon> i guess that means he has unity
[12:31] <gord> i read earlier that mint is going to start having its own de forked off from shell. i have no idea what the "i hate everything new" people are going to use now
[12:31] <oimon> own what?
[12:31] <oimon> DE?
[12:32] <gord> desktop environment?
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> gord: terminals with vi
[12:32] <oimon> i thought you said de-forked
[12:32] <oimon> :P
[12:32] <oimon> new word
[12:32] <popey> yay, i left a comment on omg
[12:32] <popey> it's got 36 "likes"
[12:32] <popey> that means I'm right, right?
[12:33] <oimon> right according to 14yr olds
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: no it means people like you
[12:33] <popey> dunno if they know its me
[12:33] <popey> no avatar
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: nickname "The Popester", they know it's you.
[12:33] <popey> 14 year olds are the ubuntu users of the future
[12:33] <popey> 50 year old beardy anti-change types are the worm-fodder of the future
[12:34] <oimon> 14 year old omg readers are the reactionary distro hopping wannabe mac owners of the future
[12:34] <directhex> i am the me of the future
[12:34] <oimon> having said that , i look forward to the release of elementary os
[12:35] <popey> the only distro hoppers I know are mid-thirties and above
[12:35] <gord> i think its a testament to the ubuntu community that you can often not tell the 12 year olds from the rest of them
[12:35] <popey> lazy people who can't be arsed to file a bug, but _can_ be arsed to download an iso and completely reinstall their desktop
[12:35] <christel> aahh, i've done some distro hopping
[12:36] <gord> i meant that in the nice way, not in the everyone in ubuntu is a 12 year old way ;)
[12:36] <popey> LOL!!!1111
[12:36] <oimon> popey link to comment?
[12:36] <directhex> strictly speaking, i don't care how old someone is, as long as they're not an idiot
[12:36] <directhex> i tend to give idiots what they deserve, regardless of age
[12:36] <oimon> although most of us were eejits when teenagers
[12:37] <popey> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/is-linux-marketshare-on-the-rise-it-seems-so/
[12:37] <christel> i dunno, i think my idiocy started much later..
[12:37] <popey> in thre
[12:37] <christel> :x
[12:37] <directhex> conveniently, directhex@debian.org can be mean to people. directhex@ubuntu.com signed a code of conduct, and he's well behaved
[12:37] <daubers> Why do  Ikeep hearing cockney rebel on the radio at the minute?
[12:38]  * czajkowski tickles christel hello darling 
[12:38] <christel> hey babe!
[12:38] <christel> <3
[12:45] <oimon> gord, were you referring to the cinnamon desktop?
[12:46] <gord> oimon, maybe? i dunno
[12:46] <oimon> i'm in favour of cinnamon if it makes gnome shell eaier to use
[12:48] <oimon> essentially they are repackaging gnome desktop in the same way that ubuntu did with gnome2.x series (because the stock gnome 2.x was ugly). although many people never saw stock gnome2 cos most distros prettified it
[12:50] <oimon> currently the gnome shell notifications interferes with the dock, so i hope i there's either an extension or different desktop that fixes the annoyances i've discovered with shell.
[13:09] <christel> mmm i want a cinnamon swirl now
[13:09] <oimon> when twitter says via: $app for chrome, does it mean chrome OS or chrome browser app? or both?
[13:11] <oimon> hmm it seems hotot is available as a chrome browser app, must be it the
[13:11] <mattt> czajkowski: thanks for the update!
[13:14] <czajkowski> np
[13:22] <oimon> i just looked at www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu . it seems that a lot of people are using it as askubuntu or irc replacement . weird
[13:24] <bigcalm> A client has just told me that "you're being very modest!". I can't tell if they are being sarcastic or not :(
[13:27] <popey> oimon: people ask their own community
[13:27] <oimon> true
[13:27] <oimon> i ask ubuntu-uk irc for advice on home appliances and tv aerials
[13:34] <davmor2> czajkowski: how come you get to tickle christel and not get your hands slapped
[13:34] <DJones> davmor2: She must have warm hands
[13:44] <MartijnVdS> http://trekcore.com/audio/
[13:46] <christel> oh, she enjoys a good slap too much ;)
[13:47] <selinuxium> Hi all.   o/
[13:47] <selinuxium> Only just noticed Dropbox have updated there T&Cs... :(    http://www.itproportal.com/2011/07/04/dropbox-updates-terms-service-now-owns-all-your-stuff/
[13:49] <DJones> Ewww, this looks a biy icky http://regmedia.co.uk/2012/01/05/quick_2.jpg
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> Hmm.. burned to a crisp
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: again?!
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> selinuxium: 04 July, 2011
[13:50] <gord> selinuxium, those type of agreements are normally there just so they can share your files, you have to give them the rights to let other people look at them
[13:51] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Black dye apparently, to celebrate the release os Star Wars 1 in 3D
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> There was never a Star Wars 1
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> only IV, V and VI exist.
[13:51] <gord> messa think you kidding yourself
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> gord: I also think they should make a sequel to The Matrix
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> because they never did..
[13:52] <DJones> MartijnVdS: This is true, although the scripts for 1-3 and 7-9 were done from memory
[13:52] <oimon> DJones: is tht yoda's teeth in the jedi burger?
[13:53] <selinuxium> MartijnVdS, I did say I only just noticed... :)
[13:53] <DJones> oimon: Yuch, that makes the dark burger sound more appealing
[13:54] <oimon> the dark one looks more like death star than vaders bonce
[13:57] <Laney> haha, that Ubuntu phone mockup
[13:58] <oimon> don't laugh too soon
[13:58] <oimon> if shuttleworth does a monkey dance with the phone
[13:58] <Laney> err
[14:20] <popey> it wont be a phone, it'll be a toaster
[14:21] <daubers>  Ubutoast!
[14:21] <popey> anyone know if it's possible to supress the screensaver lock when you resume from suspend?
[14:21] <daubers> Or have they finally implimented coffee over IP?
[14:21] <popey> so it wakes to the desktop?
[14:23] <daubers> Do we still use the gnome screensaver thing?
[14:23] <AlanBell> popey: in gconf-editor
[14:23] <popey> yes
[14:23] <popey> oh, where?
[14:24] <Laney> it used to be /apps/power-manager/something/lock IIRC, but that might have changed with gsettings
[14:24] <AlanBell> err, it is gone
[14:25] <AlanBell> apps/gnome-power-manager/lock I think, but it isn't there, I did it on an old laptop
[14:25] <Laney> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=662432#c0
[14:25] <popey> this is on 11.10
[14:27] <popey> suggestions include.. blanking the password
[14:28] <popey> and removing the screensaver package
[14:28]  * popey tickles aquarius with SSDs
[14:28] <AlanBell> I was thinking kill the screensaver in /etc/apm/resume.d
[14:28] <popey> another good one
[14:28] <AlanBell> *however* that means someone can unlock your screensaver by closing the lid and re-opening it
[14:29] <popey> this is for someone who has a girlfriend with a netbook who cares little for security
[14:29] <popey> so 'meh'
[14:29] <Laney> but wants the lock on normally?
[14:29] <popey> no
[14:29] <popey> wants to never have to enter passwords
[14:29] <Laney> oh
[14:29] <AlanBell> oh, just turn off the screensaver lock then
[14:29] <popey> the old windows and osx way
[14:29] <Laney> yes indeed
[14:29] <popey> that doesnt work AlanBell
[14:29] <popey> resume _always_ invokes screensaver
[14:29] <popey> whether you have that on or off
[14:30] <Laney> gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.lockdown disable-lock-screen 'true'
[14:30] <Laney> try that
[14:33] <popey> thanks for the suggestions chaps
[14:34] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: re closing and opening laptop lid - that's not really important; if I decide I never want a screensaver password under any circumstances I should be able to get that
[14:35] <gordonjcp> I never want to have to enter a login password either
[14:35] <Laney> it wasn't clear that was what was requested
[14:35] <AlanBell> gordonjcp: yes, I didn't understand the requiremnets properly
[14:35] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: ah, I see
[14:35] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: it's annoying wee niggly things like that, that really bug me
[14:36] <AlanBell> what I would like is if I wander off and leave my laptop it locks. If I shut the lid, walk somewhere else with it and open it then I don't have to unlock it because I never left it
[14:36] <gordonjcp> although what's most annoying is that suspend doesn't work at all
[14:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: well in that case, use bluetooth
[14:36] <gordonjcp> AlanBell: get your laptop to detect your phone and lock based on RSSI
[14:37] <AlanBell> good point, is there a nice package for that?
[14:37] <gordonjcp> there used to be
[14:37] <gordonjcp> that's how the thing that did that on Macs worked
[14:39] <AlanBell> !info blueproximity
[14:40]  * AlanBell goes to poke someone about the bot distro version
[14:42] <daubers> \o/ my horrific mass of interlinked models in django work
[14:47] <s-fox> Boo MooDoo  :)
[15:05] <KrisDouglas> I love blueproximity
[15:06] <Laney> sounds like a battery sapper
[15:07] <KrisDouglas> Depends how good your BT device is/how well supported.
[15:25] <zleap> tombrough,
[15:41] <AlanBell> my house has stopped responding to pings
[15:42] <oimon> if a a blueray writer writes BR disks at 6x , what speed does it write DVDs if at all?
[15:43] <gord> i don't think there is a direct relation
[15:45] <oimon> i seee
[15:46] <oimon> looking further it seems that a typical 6x BR writer, will read/write dvd at between 5-8x ..so 35mbs vs 10mbs
[15:47] <oimon> i meant to say, 35mbs = 1x BR , 10mb = 1x DVD. also a 6x BR writer will prob write at between 2x-6x
[15:48] <davmor2> Laney: depends if your bluetooth device is a PS3 controller :D
[15:49] <davmor2> oimon: No it will almost certain burn as fast as the DVD will allow
[16:01] <rascal999> are there any hack talks in the uk?
[16:04] <zleap> not sure,  you mean like in the US
[16:05] <rascal999> zleap: yeah
[16:05] <zleap> well user groups may give talks,  on stuff
[16:06] <zleap> hacking is seen my many as breaking in to systems,  rather than hacking in the programming sense
[16:06]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 
[16:06] <zleap> or hardware hacking sense
[16:17] <zleap> rascal999, sorry i can't help further
[16:20] <davmor2> czajkowski: what for this time?
[16:21] <czajkowski> davmor2: just cause :)
[16:23] <rascal999> zleap: 44con is what i was after
[16:25] <davmor2> czajkowski: that's worrying
[16:25] <czajkowski> aww miss you too davmor2
[16:31] <bigcalm> Have a hug and be happy :)
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> ? stock
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> wrong one
[16:34] <MonsterKiller> lol
[16:37] <danfish> afternoon
[16:37] <danfish> practice manager - "the screen on the server's gone all funny"
[16:37] <danfish> it's a windows 2003 server
[16:38] <oimon> i embarrassed myself the other day by asking where the base unit of a new imac was. looked identical to an apple monitor
[16:38] <danfish> ^^^ reason 1103 why it can be bad to have a gui on a server :/
[16:42] <zleap> ok,  i will look 44con up to see what it is anyway
[17:05] <Azelphur> Is it possible to create a user called "admin" which is the same as the admin group? useradd and adduser whine about the group already existing
[17:06] <ali1234> yes it's possible
[17:06] <Azelphur> how?
[17:07] <ali1234> just edit /etc/passwd
[17:07] <Azelphur> haha
[17:07] <ali1234> ubuntu makes a group for every user
[17:07] <ali1234> idk why, it never used to work that way
[17:08] <Azelphur> fun
[17:09] <Azelphur> think actually instead of creating an admin account I'll just give each person who requires it an account in the admin group, it's probably better/more secure anyway.
[17:09] <bigcalm> You could use sudo
[17:09] <Azelphur> that would be using sudo
[17:09] <bigcalm> Ok
[17:09] <Azelphur> if you put someone in the admin group, that gives them sudo access
[17:11] <jutnux> You can also edit the sudoers file by typing visudo
[17:33] <directhex> you can pass --ingroup to adduser, to add a new user to an old group
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> you don't even have to learn vi if you set the EDITOR or VISUAL environment variable
[17:35] <directhex> EDITOR=oowrite
[17:38] <bigcalm> Oh my
[17:39] <bigcalm> Friday tomorrow \o/
[17:40] <zleap> gedit or bluefish works fine for me,
[17:41] <gordonjcp> gedit ftw
[17:42] <zleap> :)
[17:43] <zleap> hello ukaya
[17:43] <ukaya> hi
[17:43] <ukaya> how are you
[17:53] <Laney> I am scared about my impending windy ride home :-O
[17:54] <zleap> ok is this correct,  for apps the close button thingy is on the top bar of unity, whereas the nautilus one is on each window ?
[17:58] <directhex> i am scared about my impending attempt to get out of a tight parking space
[17:59] <Azelphur> haha
[18:00] <Laney> one day i'll learn to drive
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> quick grep question... please.
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: !ask :P
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Syntax to search for "..."
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: grep \\.\\.\\. foo
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: or grep '\.\.\.' foo
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaning_toothpick_syndrome :)
[18:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[18:29] <bigcalm> \.{3}
[18:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> gah - there are millions of "..." in the code. Am trying to find a SQL query that has a LIMIT clause and is adding "..." to the result. This will be fun. BUt now it's tea time!
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: grep does {x} syntax?
[18:29] <bigcalm> No idea :)
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: also, escaping for shell, so \\.
[18:30] <bigcalm> I assumed containing quotes
[18:31] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: do you need to replace ... with &hellip; ?
[18:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: nah. I just want to find where the code is appending "..." to the result. But tea's up. Laterz.
[18:36] <bigcalm> I see
[18:45] <AlanBell> yay, home router rebooted and my house can be pinged again
[18:45] <bigcalm> \o/
[18:46] <bigcalm> We had my grand mother's router on a timer switch that would turn it off for 1 min each day. Only way to ensure that it was working the rest of the time due to random drops
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[19:46] <davmor2> popey: I wants a shuttlepad :D
[19:49] <popey> Me too! :D
[19:50] <davmor2> popey: I'll take a couple of those Ubuntu Phones from OMG!Ubuntu too :D
[19:50] <popey> yeah, maybe if they dial down the orange a bit
[19:52] <jacobw> more aubergine
[19:58] <davmor2> popey: No I like the Orange and the 2inches of camera lens
[20:04] <jutnux> I want a Shuttlepad and an American Mastiff
[20:06] <jutnux> Or a St Bernard :-)
[20:10]  * gordonjcp isn't really a dog person
[20:12] <ali1234> ubuntu phones lol
[20:12] <christel> i don't know what a shuttlepad is
[20:12]  * christel googleses
[20:12] <christel> ok, that does not appear to be a breed of dog :P
[20:14] <jutnux> I have a cat
[20:15] <jutnux> but she's boring
[20:15] <ali1234> if your washing machine threw up a cryptic error message and then crashed more than once you;d demand a refund. why do we accept this from PCs?
[20:16] <ali1234> and why have we allowed apple and google to take over the mobile market with equally crappy software?
[20:17] <davmor2> jutnux: I have a cat too, well sponsor one, it's not so boring https://picasaweb.google.com/104244164525559506101/TigerTrip2010#5479982494408818594
[20:18] <jutnux> davmor2: That doesn't count :-(
[20:18] <davmor2> jutnux: It's a cat
[20:18] <jutnux> I meant a small cat capable of living in a house.
[20:19] <davmor2> jutnux: That is it's only 8feet long
[20:19] <ali1234> you know how you can get micropigs
[20:19] <jutnux> You know what I mean, I hope.
[20:19] <ali1234> can you get microcats? that are like mouse-sized?
[20:19] <jutnux> ali1234: Doubt it
[20:19] <jutnux> ali1234: I find it funny when people purchase MicroPigs
[20:19] <jutnux> Only to get a real pig
[20:25] <ali1234> i guess housecats are microcats really
[20:25] <ali1234> when you think about it :)
[20:47]  * mattt went to ikea, and is now knackered
[20:50] <christel> ah! i am ikeaing on saturday!
[20:55] <jutnux> Ikea <3
[20:56] <Azelphur> I'm playing with my shiny new server :3
[20:56] <Azelphur> setting up inspircd now, funny enough :D
[20:58]  * mattt doesn't like ikea
[20:58] <mattt> it just goes on and on and on :/
[20:59] <Azelphur> blasphemy
[21:01] <jacobw> http://www.90percentofeverything.com/2011/04/10/alan-penn-on-shop-floor-plan-design-ikea-and-dark-patterns/
[21:11] <Azelphur> what's a good tool to get shiny graphs for network/cpu etc? :)
[21:13] <jacobw> cacti
[21:14] <Azelphur> fancy
[21:15]  * Azelphur loads it on his PC to take a look
[21:15] <ali1234> cacti is horrible to set up
[21:15] <ali1234> it's easier to just set up rrdtool manually
[21:15] <jacobw> yes
[21:20] <Azelphur> haha, yea it doesn't seem to be being too great, It never asked me to create an account so I had to dive into MySQL and reset the password to login, once I logged in it doesn't actually seem to be generating any graphs
[21:20] <Azelphur> XD
[21:20] <jacobw> its fussy
[21:21] <Azelphur> preferably just want something that's click n go
[21:22] <jacobw> http://workaround.org/try-zabbix
[21:25] <Azelphur> zabbix does sound fancy, I did want service monitoring too
[21:26] <jacobw> workaround.org is great
[21:26] <jacobw> home of the ispmail tutorials
[21:27] <Azelphur> :)
[22:10] <mattt> speaking of cacti
[22:10] <mattt> i've been trying out zenoss ... it's a nice combo of nagios + cacti
[22:12] <mgdm> I played with opsview for a bit
[22:12] <mgdm> it seemed nice enough
[22:14] <mattt> opsview are based in reading, thought that was kinda cool :P
[22:14] <mattt> but otherwise the interface looked a bit brutal to me, but i didn't give it much time
[22:36] <ali1234> how do i add a patch to a package that uses cdbs simplepatchsys?
[22:38] <Laney> put it in debian/patches (use edit-patch)
[22:46] <ali1234> cdbs-edit-patch
[22:47] <ali1234> ok, someone want to confirm #912524 for me?
[22:47] <AlanBell> bug 912524
[22:48] <Azelphur> are system v init scripts responsible for restarting crashed things? or are they just start/stop usually
[22:48] <ali1234> just start stop
[22:48] <Azelphur> righto :p
[22:48] <ali1234> usually they use start-stop-daemon if that behaviour is desired
[22:48] <ali1234> well they used to
[22:49] <ali1234> everyone uses upstart or systemd now
[22:49] <ali1234> they are better
[22:49] <Azelphur> o.O
[22:49] <ali1234> if you are working on some busybox embedde dsystem then anything goes
[22:49] <Azelphur> I dunno what I'm using, whatever the built in thing is in 11.10
[22:49] <ali1234> dunno, but it's not sysv init any more i know that
[22:49] <Azelphur> fair enough
[22:52] <ali1234> wow, cairo-clock sure is buggy
[22:53] <hamitron> evening
[23:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: have you seen bitcoin prices recently? :P
[23:04] <Azelphur> My coins have almost doubled in value since late december, awww ye :D
[23:07] <ali1234> yeah
[23:07] <ali1234> $6.5
[23:08] <Azelphur> ali1234: it's awesome, I have 500B stocked waiting for the prices to rise
[23:08] <palnj> yo dudes!
[23:09] <Azelphur> yo dude! sweet!
[23:09] <ali1234> i've only got about 70
[23:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: hehe, £1300 -> £2100 in one week, my favourite interest rate/return on investment XD
[23:09] <palnj> ali1234: so what's it we're discussing atm?
[23:10] <Azelphur> palnj: bitcoin
[23:10] <ali1234> yeah but what about opportunity cost
[23:10] <Azelphur> ali1234: opportunity cost?
[23:11] <palnj> just looked it up on wikipedia...i don't really get it
[23:11] <palnj> :P so it's basically MoneyGram or something but over the 'net?
[23:11] <Azelphur> palnj: http://www.weusecoins.com/ watch video receive answers :D
[23:12] <palnj> alrightey then, thx Azelphur
[23:12] <hamitron> Azelphur, the FTSE 100 generally gets better rewards than savings accounts, but has more risk ;)
[23:12] <Azelphur> hamitron: *shrug*
[23:13] <hamitron> I like bitcoin personally, but it is very unstable and very high risk atm
[23:13] <hamitron> very interesting
[23:13] <hamitron> :)
[23:13] <ali1234> there is basically zero risk if you don't buy them
[23:14] <Azelphur> like me :D
[23:14] <hamitron> ali1234, as with any investment
[23:14] <hamitron> :)
[23:14] <palnj> Azelphur: ah, now i get it!
[23:14] <ali1234> you probably don't get it
[23:14] <palnj> they say you can change BTC into USD, EUR and the like
[23:14] <ali1234> bitcoin is very complicated
[23:14] <ali1234> almost nobody gets it
[23:15] <Azelphur> hehe
[23:15] <palnj> why would i want Euros though? They're dead as of now :P
[23:15] <ali1234> it's not like anything else that already exists
[23:15] <palnj> ali1234: that's exactly why it's so awesome
[23:15] <ali1234> agreed
[23:15] <palnj> or rather, appears to /be/ so awesome
[23:15] <hamitron> it is awesome, until it fails
[23:16] <palnj> innvoation may bring haters, but the pleasure gained is save for laters
[23:16] <palnj> one of my teachers said that to me a couple years back :D
[23:16] <palnj> s/save/saved
[23:17] <palnj> what is that, a triple post or something?!?!
[23:17] <palnj> my pc's messed up
[23:17] <ali1234> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hype_cycle
[23:17] <ali1234> hamitron seems to be stuck in the trough of disillusionment
[23:18] <Azelphur> haha
[23:18] <hamitron> ;/
[23:18] <Azelphur> ali1234: he always is
[23:18] <hamitron> bah, sod you all ;/
[23:18] <palnj> overview of the Hype Cycle: a new technology is invented, and everyone gets happy over it, then everyone gets bored of it, and 10 years down the line, some people get interested in it again ;)
[23:18] <palnj> i think that just about sums it up perfectly!
[23:18] <Azelphur> :D
[23:19] <ali1234> well it's more about unrealistic expectations
[23:19] <hamitron> I think it is fine till something breaks it, so long as you don't expect too much
[23:19] <hamitron> I put 5p coins in a jar, and realise it will never make me rich ;)
[23:20] <ali1234> that's just about the worst investment idea ever
[23:20] <palnj> the hype cycle has been in play with apple since just about forever
[23:20] <palnj> well, 1970s America anyway
[23:20] <ali1234> eh, not really
[23:20] <hamitron> ali1234, 5p coins?
[23:20] <AlanBell> 2p coins are a much better investment
[23:21] <ali1234> the first dotcom bubble is a really good example of the hype cycle
[23:21] <palnj> hamitron: i did that with pennies for 2 years, and made five quid
[23:21] <AlanBell> the old ones have a scrap value of 3.4p
[23:21] <hamitron> AlanBell, I put all loose change in jars
[23:21] <hamitron> saves me money on new pockets
[23:22] <ali1234> why don't you put it in the bank?
[23:22] <hamitron> that takes effort
[23:22] <palnj> hamitron: haha lol
[23:23] <ali1234> how exactly are you planning to spend it if it's all in jars?
[23:23] <palnj> i read on facebook: People who harm children deserve to be strangled at birth
[23:23] <palnj> ironic really
[23:23] <hamitron> I save it for years, then cash it in
[23:23] <hamitron> I bought another motorbike with the last savings
[23:23] <hamitron> :)
[23:24] <ali1234> with 5ps?
[23:24] <hamitron> no, 20p and below
[23:24] <ali1234> i bet the guy you bought it from was pleased with that
[23:24] <hamitron> I have a jar for each type of coin
[23:24] <hamitron> haha
[23:24] <ali1234> did the cash weight more or less than the bike?
[23:24] <hamitron> hmmmm, it was heavy
[23:25] <hamitron> I took it in 5 batches
[23:25] <ali1234> LOL
[23:25] <ali1234> why didn't you just take it to the bank
[23:25] <hamitron> I did ;/
[23:25] <hamitron> just all at once
[23:25] <hamitron> ;)
[23:25] <ali1234> so you had to make 5 trips to the bank anyway
[23:25] <hamitron> yeh
[23:25] <ali1234> i guess if you live in the middle of nowhere.....
[23:26] <hamitron> but it felt good, counting all that.... with no idea how much I had
[23:26] <ali1234> 6 hours later "wow i;ve got £3.60"
[23:26] <hamitron> :))
[23:26] <hamitron> I was clever, and paid my sister £5 "to count some change"
[23:27] <hamitron> I just watched tv
[23:27] <ali1234> that's not clever
[23:27] <ali1234> the bank will do it for free
[23:27] <hamitron> time man
[23:27] <hamitron> :/
[23:27] <ali1234> they have a machine
[23:27] <hamitron> the bank wouldn't call round on a Sunday, and count it while I watch tv
[23:27] <palnj> there is a much easier way to count money
[23:28] <palnj> measure the weight of one coin of a certain type (e.g. 5p)
[23:28] <ali1234> that's not reliable
[23:28] <palnj> then weigh all of the same type (i.e. 5p's) and divide by the weight of one coin to find out how many 5p's you have, for example
[23:28] <ali1234> they don't weigh the same anyway
[23:28] <hamitron> last time I did it, I had it in 1.25kg tins of coffee, all mixed
[23:28] <hamitron> :/
[23:29] <hamitron> not now though, better organised
[23:29] <hamitron> :)
[23:30] <hamitron> not gonna let it get above £100 this time
[23:32] <palnj> ali1234: standard deviation of coins is usually about a 100th of a gram at most p/coin
[23:32] <ali1234> i must have lots of fake coins then
[23:33] <hamitron> ali1234, I reckon you secretly count them every day, and wear them out ;)
[23:36] <hamitron> tbh, I think bitcoins are probably a better way to save atm
[23:43] <gordonjcp> hamitron: http://www.gjcp.net/smash/
[23:44] <hamitron> gordonjcp, I did GCSE maths ty
[23:44] <hamitron> :)