| tjagoda | So | 00:22 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h__ | party | 00:22 |
| tjagoda | Installing KDE.... LightDM or KDM? | 00:22 |
| tjagoda | I pick KDM. | 00:26 |
| tjagoda | and now to reboot and see how much I destroyed everything | 00:36 |
| rick_h__ | sudo echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth | 01:00 |
| tjagoda | KDE | 01:20 |
| tjagoda | its like an exciting new world | 01:20 |
| rick_h__ | heh, don't get lost now | 01:24 |
| tjagoda | Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible | 01:48 |
| rick_h__ | import ipdb; ipdb.set_trace() | 02:32 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:28 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:37 |
| rick_h__ | party | 12:39 |
| brousch | did tjagoda survive his kde experiment? | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | not sure | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | 01:48 < tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | was where he left off | 13:15 |
| brousch | 2AM? yikes | 13:15 |
| rick_h__ | meh, my ec2 instance is on UTC | 13:16 |
| brousch | freak | 13:19 |
| rick_h__ | just didn't care enough to change it | 13:19 |
| brousch | i <3 python. i hacked out a script to backup windows profiles over the network yesterday | 13:19 |
| rick_h__ | good stuff! (the python...yuck to the windows) | 13:20 |
| brousch | yeah, win7 roaming profiles are not working well, so i'm going to not use them and just backup the important local stuff myself | 13:20 |
| brousch | basically just sharing the C: on the PC, then use smbclient to grab the stuff | 13:21 |
| brousch | roaming profiles are kind of a PITA anyways. they slow the whole system down when people login in the morning and out at night | 13:24 |
| rick_h__ | yea, always fun | 13:26 |
| brousch | my next project is to parse CNC code for one machine and translate it to another, then stick the file where it's supposed to go | 13:28 |
| brousch | more python fun | 13:28 |
| rick_h__ | http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/ | 13:29 |
| rick_h__ | create your own parsed language of G codes and such | 13:29 |
| brousch | i really just have to look for 4-6 Gcodes and strip them out or convert them to the proper code | 13:30 |
| brousch | all the movement stuff is fine | 13:30 |
| brousch | but i'll check it out | 13:30 |
| rick_h__ | ah, gotcha | 13:30 |
| rick_h__ | it's something I keep wanting to try out so pushing on you to figure out for me :) | 13:31 |
| brousch | heh | 13:31 |
| brousch | this crusty old dxf->NC code program refuses to remember our machine. it will only output NC code for one machine, so i am going to post-process it | 13:32 |
| brousch | i hope to switch to an open source program some day, but i need a solution now that the draftsmen can use | 13:34 |
| brousch | i have a possible ironpython project about 3 months out | 13:37 |
| tjagoda | brousch: I do not have your RAM problems | 13:53 |
| tjagoda | Running firefox and pidgin last night I was using ~806MB | 13:53 |
| brousch | chrome is the big culprit | 13:53 |
| brousch | krondor walked me through some stats yesterday | 13:54 |
| brousch | it is currently using 1.4GB with 14 tabs open | 13:55 |
| tjagoda | ahhh | 14:04 |
| tjagoda | The dark styles are broken for me | 14:04 |
| tjagoda | impossible bug in firefox uses system colors, so if text box text is white in system theme, and the facebook comment box is white per say | 14:04 |
| tjagoda | hosed | 14:04 |
| Wolfger | tjagoda: Yes, that has always been the issue keeping dark themes from being usable :-p | 14:07 |
| Wolfger | Though now that I'm digging on Rekonq, maybe I should try again and see if it's smarter? | 14:07 |
| brousch | tjagoda: i am just using the oxygen theme | 14:07 |
| Wolfger | Welcome to KDE, by the way. :-) | 14:07 |
| Wolfger | Were you able to config it to look just like Gnome 2.2? | 14:08 |
| tjagoda | Mostly | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | The bottom panel doesnt work quite right when I use widgets | 14:11 |
| tjagoda | lock widgets* | 14:12 |
| tjagoda | And the notifications dont autoclear, which is annoying for pidgin | 14:12 |
| brousch | mine do | 14:13 |
| brousch | i don't see a setting for that | 14:17 |
| brousch | ah | 14:18 |
| brousch | do you see the little "i" icon in your notification area? | 14:18 |
| brousch | it's notiifications and jobs | 14:18 |
| brousch | right-click it, notification settings, auto-hide | 14:19 |
| tjagoda | ahhaaa | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | I will have to do that when I get home | 14:27 |
| tjagoda | Do they still stack up in the notifications tray? | 14:27 |
| brousch | i only have that when coming out of suspend | 14:35 |
| brousch | otherwise they go away after a few seconds | 14:35 |
| tjagoda | But they stack up in the tray if you click on it, right? | 14:38 |
| tjagoda | It keeps like a history until you hit the little X's to clear them | 14:38 |
| brousch | yeah, it has a history | 14:41 |
| brousch | with filters at the top | 14:41 |
| tjagoda | Yeah, thats what I feel compelled to obsessively purge | 14:52 |
| brousch | why? you don't see them unless you click it | 14:55 |
| snap-l | Good God, traffic sucked this morning | 14:57 |
| tjagoda | But they're there =( | 14:57 |
| snap-l | http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Pedestrian-killed-on-WB-I-696-near-Farmington-Road/-/1719418/7647710/-/rx0iu/-/index.html | 14:58 |
| brousch | tjagoda: i don't see a "don't save notification history" setting | 15:01 |
| Wolfger | brousch: there must be one. KDE has a setting for everything. :-) | 15:02 |
| brousch | so i thought | 15:02 |
| Wolfger | oh, wait, that was KDE3, not the gnomified KDE4. :-p | 15:02 |
| Wolfger | </snark> | 15:02 |
| tjagoda | Why are we systematically destroying all our user interfaces? =P | 15:03 |
| tjagoda | I'm gonna have to start using Macs because Ill have to avoid both Windows 8 Metro and most of Open Source =P | 15:03 |
| nullspace | snap-l: yeah I got stuck in that shit this morning | 15:08 |
| nullspace | I drove right on to 696 before they closed teh telgraph ramp | 15:09 |
| snap-l | nullspace: Oh, lovely. | 15:11 |
| snap-l | I drove 13 mile road, which was just as bad of a mistake. ;) | 15:11 |
| nullspace | took me an hour to get to work, normally takes 15 minutes | 15:17 |
| nullspace | but wow a pedestrian was hit multiple times on a freeway | 15:18 |
| snap-l | Wow, that's not good | 15:22 |
| brousch | i recommend you not walk on the freeway | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | so do the signs on the entrance ramps | 15:23 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah | 15:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | he was changing a tire | 15:29 |
| ColonelPanic001 | http://www.freep.com/article/20120105/NEWS03/120105003/I-696-westbound-in-Farmington-Hills-closed-after-pedestrian-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE | 15:29 |
| _stink_ | damn | 15:31 |
| brousch | that sucks | 15:31 |
| _stink_ | well said :P | 15:32 |
| ColonelPanic001 | brousch is a wordsmith. | 15:33 |
| brousch | i get really scared if i have to get out of the car on the freeway | 15:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't even like pulling over | 15:33 |
| ColonelPanic001 | pain in the rear to get back into traffic | 15:34 |
| brousch | punch it! | 15:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I have a civic | 15:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no such thing | 15:34 |
| ColonelPanic001 | :) | 15:34 |
| nullspace | he has a civil civic, so it tries to resolve things without resorting to violence .... | 15:35 |
| * ColonelPanic001 is sometimes civil | 15:38 | |
| brousch | buy one of those big picnic table spoilers. that'll get you moving faster | 15:41 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:41 |
| tjagoda | Oh no | 15:48 |
| tjagoda | iPhones have infiltrated our sales office | 15:48 |
| * tjagoda braces for the spike in calls for people who "suddenly" have problems with their older blackberries | 15:48 | |
| snap-l | The imperials have infiltrated the base! | 15:48 |
| brousch | tjagoda: tell them you only support BB and android | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | I do | 15:54 |
| tjagoda | And then I tell them how much ludicrously cheaper the BB's are | 15:55 |
| nullspace | though the time to abdon the BB ship is getting pretty close | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | Nah. | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | Thats all press drama. | 15:55 |
| nullspace | though BB server is kinda pricey | 15:56 |
| tjagoda | the board will fire the co-CEO's and then the ship will right itself | 15:56 |
| tjagoda | Not having policy management is kind of pricey. | 15:56 |
| tjagoda | (Although we dont use a BB server here anyway) | 15:56 |
| nullspace | I suppose they don't schedule meetings via BB then | 15:58 |
| jrwren | BB server is free until you reach a large N client numbr | 15:59 |
| nullspace | jrwren: ah nice, didn't know | 16:01 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: Blackberry is just rearranging the deck chairs. :) | 16:05 |
| brousch | BB is a goner. even IBM is trying iOS and android | 16:06 |
| tjagoda | They fired like 2k people | 16:21 |
| tjagoda | Apparently the wrong 2k people | 16:21 |
| tjagoda | because they haven't been able to get anything done since | 16:21 |
| snap-l | If a business' response to bad news is to can people, they're in the wrong business | 16:34 |
| snap-l | or they hired some truly spectacularly bad people. | 16:34 |
| snap-l | And if you can let go of 2K people, your biggest proglem is either in your hiring practices, or your management of those people | 16:35 |
| snap-l | regardless, it means there's something dreadfully wrong that needs purging. | 16:36 |
| snap-l | So, how's the afternoon so far? | 17:33 |
| rick_h__ | ugh | 17:34 |
| tjagoda | 2k people was about 11% of the bb workforce | 17:44 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: That's still too many | 17:44 |
| krondor | wow I didn't realize you could lsof and strace right in htop | 17:47 |
| snap-l | Didn't know that either | 17:50 |
| krondor | yeah just s for strace and l for lsof on any highlighted process | 17:51 |
| snap-l | very cool. | 17:52 |
| snap-l | Just don't try to do a Library trace on Banshee while you're listening to it. ;) | 17:54 |
| Blazeix | wow, that's really cool | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 17:55 |
| snap-l | I am going to beat the person who came up with L-shaped enter keys | 17:56 |
| snap-l | Can't count how many times I've hit Enter when I've meant | | 17:56 |
| snap-l | Apparently B&N has been in the mushrooms again: http://www.writerswrite.com/blog/10520121 | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | yea, read that. | 18:01 |
| snap-l | Just once I'd like to buy a device and not tank the company along with it. | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | I think they're a bit confused as to why they sell the nook | 18:02 |
| tjagoda | Makes sense to me | 18:02 |
| rick_h__ | if they take away the stores, the in store reading, etc...why get a nook again? | 18:02 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: I secretly believe you lick toads to see colors. | 18:02 |
| tjagoda | B&N wants to sell books, not gadgets | 18:03 |
| tjagoda | outsource gadgets | 18:03 |
| tjagoda | resume focus on books | 18:03 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: And that's foolish and irresponsible | 18:03 |
| rick_h__ | right, but they're making $$ on gadgets not books :) | 18:03 |
| snap-l | Anyone who thinks they can make a go with just books is stupid | 18:03 |
| tjagoda | Doesn't say they'd purge the strategic partnerships does it? | 18:03 |
| rick_h__ | so spin off the gadget part, make it profitable, and let the book part go down the hole | 18:03 |
| rick_h__ | except once they do that, their gadget will cease to be useful/different enough to sell | 18:03 |
| snap-l | Except they've gone and done a Netflix | 18:04 |
| snap-l | or Qwikster | 18:04 |
| rick_h__ | heh | 18:04 |
| snap-l | People believe the Nook is solid because it's part of a chain store | 18:04 |
| tjagoda | Probably true enough | 18:04 |
| rick_h__ | it is! | 18:04 |
| tjagoda | Although I think the opposite | 18:04 |
| tjagoda | I avoid the nook because its part of that chain store | 18:04 |
| tjagoda | lol | 18:04 |
| rick_h__ | come on, you're telling me that that they'd sell as many nooks if it wasn't front and center of that store? | 18:04 |
| snap-l | Absolutely not | 18:05 |
| tjagoda | I don't think that spinning it off involves a purge out of stores | 18:05 |
| snap-l | Hell, they have nook parties | 18:05 |
| rick_h__ | tjagoda: need to look farther | 18:05 |
| rick_h__ | if the stores don't make money...they close stores...if they close stores...nooks don't sell | 18:05 |
| tjagoda | Are you proposing that a tiny nook stand is the difference between sustaining a giant mortar store? | 18:06 |
| Wolfger | krondor: That's awesome. I didn't know that about htop either. | 18:06 |
| rick_h__ | they've had multiple losing $$ quarters in a row | 18:06 |
| snap-l | I'm saying it gives more of a presence | 18:06 |
| rick_h__ | they're not sustaining now | 18:06 |
| snap-l | Actually, though, there's a kernel of insight | 18:07 |
| snap-l | I wonder how long the tablet market will last | 18:07 |
| snap-l | recall the lovely netbook days | 18:07 |
| snap-l | maybe this isn't such a dumb idea after all | 18:07 |
| snap-l | partner for the hardware to get released | 18:07 |
| snap-l | and make the $$ on the software. | 18:08 |
| snap-l | it's a gamble | 18:08 |
| snap-l | and I think it's a little too soon to make such a move. | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | When I hear "nook" | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | I only hear "nook" | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | Never "Barnes & Noble's nook reader" | 18:08 |
| tjagoda | Which is why I assume the hardware doesn't really matter | 18:08 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: You haven't powered one up. ;) | 18:09 |
| snap-l | but yeah, that's the point. | 18:09 |
| tjagoda | I bet hordes of people go to Amazon in an effort to buy Nooks. | 18:09 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nook&x=0&y=0 | 18:10 |
| snap-l | They actually sell it on Amazon. | 18:10 |
| snap-l | The Nook Color | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | Yeah, just searched as well | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | I am surprised | 18:10 |
| snap-l | Hey, Amazon likes money. | 18:10 |
| tjagoda | 'specially with Amazon's latest douchetactics | 18:10 |
| snap-l | you'll note that the Kindle Fire is at the top of that list, though. | 18:11 |
| tjagoda | you probably buy a nook and then get an email about how much better a kindle is | 18:11 |
| _stink_ | holy crap i like htop even more now. | 18:11 |
| tjagoda | That would be a hilarious "Bought Together" combo package | 18:11 |
| tjagoda | "Buy a nook and get your kindle %50 off!" | 18:11 |
| tjagoda | Also, we all know why netbooks failed | 18:12 |
| tjagoda | ...Apple never made one. =p | 18:12 |
| Wolfger | LOL | 18:13 |
| Wolfger | Netbooks failed because... well, let's see... They are still selling netbooks. Define "failed" again? | 18:14 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: They've morphed into ultrabooks | 18:14 |
| tjagoda | Tablets replaced netbooks | 18:14 |
| Wolfger | I got rid of mine because I got a full-fledged laptop, and an Android phone. The netbook was no longer useful, being a subset of each of those devices. | 18:15 |
| snap-l | yeah, my netbook sits on a shelf | 18:15 |
| tjagoda | As does mine | 18:15 |
| tjagoda | I even have the nice system76 netbook | 18:15 |
| tjagoda | I should ebay that. | 18:15 |
| snap-l | You should send it to me gratis | 18:16 |
| snap-l | for having to endure your blackberry comments. | 18:16 |
| Wolfger | but now tablets come with (optional) keyboards... so really they *are* netbooks at that point. Fancy netbooks with touch-screens | 18:16 |
| brousch | the main reason i got a nook color is because it was cheaper than any other tablet and had CM support | 18:41 |
| brousch | although emagazine subscriptions through B&N reader are OK | 18:42 |
| tjagoda | snap-l: Do you want to buy it? | 18:55 |
| tjagoda | It has an SSD inside it. | 18:55 |
| Wolfger | brousch: CM? | 19:02 |
| brousch | cyanogenmod | 19:02 |
| Wolfger | ah | 19:02 |
| snap-l | tjagoda: UNless it's less than $100, I'm pretty much tapped. | 19:05 |
| snap-l | Gotta some expenses ahead. | 19:05 |
| tjagoda | </3 | 19:13 |
| brousch | this page is freaking me out http://beckgroup.com/ | 19:13 |
| snap-l | brousch: What's freaky about it? | 19:23 |
| brousch | it's moving | 19:23 |
| brousch | drifting | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Ah, I don't hav eflash running on this machine yet. | 19:24 |
| brousch | how can you live without flash?! | 19:24 |
| snap-l | Well, pretty well, actually. | 19:24 |
| brousch | unpossible | 19:26 |
| tjagoda | Geah | 19:33 |
| tjagoda | that page makes me feel like I should be sea sick | 19:33 |
| brousch | https://github.com/blog/1016-github-drinkup-in-grand-rapids | 21:37 |
| CrusaderAD | Anyone here familiar with simple shell scripting? | 22:05 |
| snap-l | Seriously? flashplugin-installer requires 20MB of i386 libraries to install? | 22:06 |
| snap-l | Bugger me with a spoon | 22:06 |
| snap-l | Flash cannot die qucikly enough | 22:06 |
| snap-l | CrusaderAD: I know a little shell scripting. What's up? | 22:07 |
| CrusaderAD | I have a pipe feed that I need to parse out... something like value1|value2|value3 | 22:07 |
| CrusaderAD | how do I break it up and put each one into it's own variable? | 22:07 |
| snap-l | I'm really not following | 22:08 |
| CrusaderAD | basically split up the line... value1|value2|value3 into a = value1 b = value2 c = value3 | 22:09 |
| snap-l | Right, but you're using pipes as the delimeter? | 22:09 |
| CrusaderAD | yep | 22:09 |
| snap-l | I'd recommend using a different character | 22:09 |
| snap-l | like space | 22:09 |
| CrusaderAD | why? what's the difference? | 22:10 |
| snap-l | because otherwise the shell will try to pipe the initial result through the second value, and then through the third | 22:10 |
| snap-l | | is a special character | 22:10 |
| snap-l | Much like > or < | 22:11 |
| CrusaderAD | yes but sometimes the values will have spaces themselves | 22:11 |
| snap-l | OK, back up here | 22:11 |
| snap-l | You need to explain a little more about what you're doing. | 22:11 |
| snap-l | because right now I think you're insane | 22:12 |
| snap-l | and I don't think that's the case. | 22:12 |
| CrusaderAD | lol, what's wrong with a pipe delimited feed? | 22:13 |
| snap-l | OK, for starters this is coming from an external file, correct? | 22:13 |
| snap-l | and not on the command line? | 22:13 |
| devinheitmueller | snap-l: using the pipe is fine. He just needs to single quote the value. | 22:13 |
| CrusaderAD | yep, a txt file line by line | 22:14 |
| snap-l | OK, now that we have that established | 22:14 |
| CrusaderAD | it doesn't have to be pipe... doesn't really matter | 22:14 |
| snap-l | and you want to split the file on the delimiter | 22:14 |
| CrusaderAD | yep | 22:14 |
| snap-l | And Perl and AWK are right out, correct? | 22:14 |
| devinheitmueller | If you don't have to use a shell script you can do this trivially with most other languages (for example, Perl can do this in one line). | 22:14 |
| snap-l | because that's my next recommendation. ;) | 22:15 |
| CrusaderAD | hm, so building an array isn't easily achieved in shell scripting? | 22:17 |
| devinheitmueller | CrusaderAD: so you have a shell environment but awk isn't an option? That's unusual. | 22:17 |
| devinheitmueller | (sure, Perl can't guaranteed to be everywhere, but you'd be hard pressed to find a UNIX that has a shell but not awk) | 22:18 |
| CrusaderAD | awk is an option, I did some research and that seemed like a possibility | 22:18 |
| devinheitmueller | CrusaderAD: that's typically how shell scripters do that sort of thing. | 22:18 |
| snap-l | Frankly, you'll wind up using awk or perl anyway to do the heavy lifting | 22:18 |
| snap-l | the only other option I can think of is cut, but that won't do quite what you're looking for | 22:19 |
| devinheitmueller | sed is also an ugly/convoluted option, but awk is the tool typically used for that sort of parsing. | 22:20 |
| CrusaderAD | yep, I think I found something to go on: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6917807/awk-parsing-pipe-delimited-input thanks for the suggestions! | 22:21 |
| snap-l | Yeah, shell scripts aren't great for text parsing | 22:21 |
| CrusaderAD | agreed | 22:21 |
| snap-l | that's why awk and perl are handy to know | 22:21 |
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