[00:22] So [00:22] party [00:22] Installing KDE.... LightDM or KDM? [00:26] I pick KDM. [00:36] and now to reboot and see how much I destroyed everything [01:00] sudo echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth [01:20] KDE [01:20] its like an exciting new world [01:24] heh, don't get lost now [01:48] Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible [02:32] import ipdb; ipdb.set_trace() [12:28] Good morning [12:37] morning [12:39] party [13:15] did tjagoda survive his kde experiment? [13:15] not sure [13:15] 01:48 < tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible [13:15] was where he left off [13:15] 2AM? yikes [13:16] meh, my ec2 instance is on UTC [13:19] freak [13:19] just didn't care enough to change it [13:19] i <3 python. i hacked out a script to backup windows profiles over the network yesterday [13:20] good stuff! (the python...yuck to the windows) [13:20] yeah, win7 roaming profiles are not working well, so i'm going to not use them and just backup the important local stuff myself [13:21] basically just sharing the C: on the PC, then use smbclient to grab the stuff [13:24] roaming profiles are kind of a PITA anyways. they slow the whole system down when people login in the morning and out at night [13:26] yea, always fun [13:28] my next project is to parse CNC code for one machine and translate it to another, then stick the file where it's supposed to go [13:28] more python fun [13:29] http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/ [13:29] create your own parsed language of G codes and such [13:30] i really just have to look for 4-6 Gcodes and strip them out or convert them to the proper code [13:30] all the movement stuff is fine [13:30] but i'll check it out [13:30] ah, gotcha [13:31] it's something I keep wanting to try out so pushing on you to figure out for me :) [13:31] heh [13:32] this crusty old dxf->NC code program refuses to remember our machine. it will only output NC code for one machine, so i am going to post-process it [13:34] i hope to switch to an open source program some day, but i need a solution now that the draftsmen can use [13:37] i have a possible ironpython project about 3 months out [13:53] brousch: I do not have your RAM problems [13:53] Running firefox and pidgin last night I was using ~806MB [13:53] chrome is the big culprit [13:54] krondor walked me through some stats yesterday [13:55] it is currently using 1.4GB with 14 tabs open [14:04] ahhh [14:04] The dark styles are broken for me [14:04] impossible bug in firefox uses system colors, so if text box text is white in system theme, and the facebook comment box is white per say [14:04] hosed [14:07] tjagoda: Yes, that has always been the issue keeping dark themes from being usable :-p [14:07] Though now that I'm digging on Rekonq, maybe I should try again and see if it's smarter? [14:07] tjagoda: i am just using the oxygen theme [14:07] Welcome to KDE, by the way. :-) [14:08] Were you able to config it to look just like Gnome 2.2? [14:11] Mostly [14:11] The bottom panel doesnt work quite right when I use widgets [14:12] lock widgets* [14:12] And the notifications dont autoclear, which is annoying for pidgin [14:13] mine do [14:17] i don't see a setting for that [14:18] ah [14:18] do you see the little "i" icon in your notification area? [14:18] it's notiifications and jobs [14:19] right-click it, notification settings, auto-hide [14:27] ahhaaa [14:27] I will have to do that when I get home [14:27] Do they still stack up in the notifications tray? [14:35] i only have that when coming out of suspend [14:35] otherwise they go away after a few seconds [14:38] But they stack up in the tray if you click on it, right? [14:38] It keeps like a history until you hit the little X's to clear them [14:41] yeah, it has a history [14:41] with filters at the top [14:52] Yeah, thats what I feel compelled to obsessively purge [14:55] why? you don't see them unless you click it [14:57] Good God, traffic sucked this morning [14:57] But they're there =( [14:58] http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Pedestrian-killed-on-WB-I-696-near-Farmington-Road/-/1719418/7647710/-/rx0iu/-/index.html [15:01] tjagoda: i don't see a "don't save notification history" setting [15:02] brousch: there must be one. KDE has a setting for everything. :-) [15:02] so i thought [15:02] oh, wait, that was KDE3, not the gnomified KDE4. :-p [15:02] [15:03] Why are we systematically destroying all our user interfaces? =P [15:03] I'm gonna have to start using Macs because Ill have to avoid both Windows 8 Metro and most of Open Source =P [15:08] snap-l: yeah I got stuck in that shit this morning [15:09] I drove right on to 696 before they closed teh telgraph ramp [15:11] nullspace: Oh, lovely. [15:11] I drove 13 mile road, which was just as bad of a mistake. ;) [15:17] took me an hour to get to work, normally takes 15 minutes [15:18] but wow a pedestrian was hit multiple times on a freeway [15:22] Wow, that's not good [15:23] i recommend you not walk on the freeway [15:23] so do the signs on the entrance ramps [15:29] ah [15:29] he was changing a tire [15:29] http://www.freep.com/article/20120105/NEWS03/120105003/I-696-westbound-in-Farmington-Hills-closed-after-pedestrian-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE [15:31] <_stink_> damn [15:31] that sucks [15:32] <_stink_> well said :P [15:33] brousch is a wordsmith. [15:33] i get really scared if i have to get out of the car on the freeway [15:33] I don't even like pulling over [15:34] pain in the rear to get back into traffic [15:34] punch it! [15:34] I have a civic [15:34] no such thing [15:34] :) [15:35] he has a civil civic, so it tries to resolve things without resorting to violence .... [15:38] * ColonelPanic001 is sometimes civil [15:41] buy one of those big picnic table spoilers. that'll get you moving faster [15:41] heh [15:48] Oh no [15:48] iPhones have infiltrated our sales office [15:48] * tjagoda braces for the spike in calls for people who "suddenly" have problems with their older blackberries [15:48] The imperials have infiltrated the base! [15:51] tjagoda: tell them you only support BB and android [15:54] I do [15:55] And then I tell them how much ludicrously cheaper the BB's are [15:55] though the time to abdon the BB ship is getting pretty close [15:55] Nah. [15:55] Thats all press drama. [15:56] though BB server is kinda pricey [15:56] the board will fire the co-CEO's and then the ship will right itself [15:56] Not having policy management is kind of pricey. [15:56] (Although we dont use a BB server here anyway) [15:58] I suppose they don't schedule meetings via BB then [15:59] BB server is free until you reach a large N client numbr [16:01] jrwren: ah nice, didn't know [16:05] tjagoda: Blackberry is just rearranging the deck chairs. :) [16:06] BB is a goner. even IBM is trying iOS and android [16:21] They fired like 2k people [16:21] Apparently the wrong 2k people [16:21] because they haven't been able to get anything done since [16:34] If a business' response to bad news is to can people, they're in the wrong business [16:34] or they hired some truly spectacularly bad people. [16:35] And if you can let go of 2K people, your biggest proglem is either in your hiring practices, or your management of those people [16:36] regardless, it means there's something dreadfully wrong that needs purging. [17:33] So, how's the afternoon so far? [17:34] ugh [17:44] 2k people was about 11% of the bb workforce [17:44] tjagoda: That's still too many [17:47] wow I didn't realize you could lsof and strace right in htop [17:50] Didn't know that either [17:51] yeah just s for strace and l for lsof on any highlighted process [17:52] very cool. [17:54] Just don't try to do a Library trace on Banshee while you're listening to it. ;) [17:55] wow, that's really cool [17:55] lol [17:56] I am going to beat the person who came up with L-shaped enter keys [17:56] Can't count how many times I've hit Enter when I've meant | [18:01] Apparently B&N has been in the mushrooms again: http://www.writerswrite.com/blog/10520121 [18:01] yea, read that. [18:01] Just once I'd like to buy a device and not tank the company along with it. [18:02] I think they're a bit confused as to why they sell the nook [18:02] Makes sense to me [18:02] if they take away the stores, the in store reading, etc...why get a nook again? [18:02] tjagoda: I secretly believe you lick toads to see colors. [18:03] B&N wants to sell books, not gadgets [18:03] outsource gadgets [18:03] resume focus on books [18:03] tjagoda: And that's foolish and irresponsible [18:03] right, but they're making $$ on gadgets not books :) [18:03] Anyone who thinks they can make a go with just books is stupid [18:03] Doesn't say they'd purge the strategic partnerships does it? [18:03] so spin off the gadget part, make it profitable, and let the book part go down the hole [18:03] except once they do that, their gadget will cease to be useful/different enough to sell [18:04] Except they've gone and done a Netflix [18:04] or Qwikster [18:04] heh [18:04] People believe the Nook is solid because it's part of a chain store [18:04] Probably true enough [18:04] it is! [18:04] Although I think the opposite [18:04] I avoid the nook because its part of that chain store [18:04] lol [18:04] come on, you're telling me that that they'd sell as many nooks if it wasn't front and center of that store? [18:05] Absolutely not [18:05] I don't think that spinning it off involves a purge out of stores [18:05] Hell, they have nook parties [18:05] tjagoda: need to look farther [18:05] if the stores don't make money...they close stores...if they close stores...nooks don't sell [18:06] Are you proposing that a tiny nook stand is the difference between sustaining a giant mortar store? [18:06] krondor: That's awesome. I didn't know that about htop either. [18:06] they've had multiple losing $$ quarters in a row [18:06] I'm saying it gives more of a presence [18:06] they're not sustaining now [18:07] Actually, though, there's a kernel of insight [18:07] I wonder how long the tablet market will last [18:07] recall the lovely netbook days [18:07] maybe this isn't such a dumb idea after all [18:07] partner for the hardware to get released [18:08] and make the $$ on the software. [18:08] it's a gamble [18:08] and I think it's a little too soon to make such a move. [18:08] When I hear "nook" [18:08] I only hear "nook" [18:08] Never "Barnes & Noble's nook reader" [18:08] Which is why I assume the hardware doesn't really matter [18:09] tjagoda: You haven't powered one up. ;) [18:09] but yeah, that's the point. [18:09] I bet hordes of people go to Amazon in an effort to buy Nooks. [18:10] http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nook&x=0&y=0 [18:10] They actually sell it on Amazon. [18:10] The Nook Color [18:10] Yeah, just searched as well [18:10] I am surprised [18:10] Hey, Amazon likes money. [18:10] 'specially with Amazon's latest douchetactics [18:11] you'll note that the Kindle Fire is at the top of that list, though. [18:11] you probably buy a nook and then get an email about how much better a kindle is [18:11] <_stink_> holy crap i like htop even more now. [18:11] That would be a hilarious "Bought Together" combo package [18:11] "Buy a nook and get your kindle %50 off!" [18:12] Also, we all know why netbooks failed [18:12] ...Apple never made one. =p [18:13] LOL [18:14] Netbooks failed because... well, let's see... They are still selling netbooks. Define "failed" again? [18:14] Wolfger: They've morphed into ultrabooks [18:14] Tablets replaced netbooks [18:15] I got rid of mine because I got a full-fledged laptop, and an Android phone. The netbook was no longer useful, being a subset of each of those devices. [18:15] yeah, my netbook sits on a shelf [18:15] As does mine [18:15] I even have the nice system76 netbook [18:15] I should ebay that. [18:16] You should send it to me gratis [18:16] for having to endure your blackberry comments. [18:16] but now tablets come with (optional) keyboards... so really they *are* netbooks at that point. Fancy netbooks with touch-screens [18:41] the main reason i got a nook color is because it was cheaper than any other tablet and had CM support [18:42] although emagazine subscriptions through B&N reader are OK [18:55] snap-l: Do you want to buy it? [18:55] It has an SSD inside it. [19:02] brousch: CM? [19:02] cyanogenmod [19:02] ah [19:05] tjagoda: UNless it's less than $100, I'm pretty much tapped. [19:05] Gotta some expenses ahead. [19:13] this page is freaking me out http://beckgroup.com/ [19:23] brousch: What's freaky about it? [19:23] it's moving [19:24] drifting [19:24] Ah, I don't hav eflash running on this machine yet. [19:24] how can you live without flash?! [19:24] Well, pretty well, actually. [19:26] unpossible [19:33] Geah [19:33] that page makes me feel like I should be sea sick [21:37] https://github.com/blog/1016-github-drinkup-in-grand-rapids [22:05] Anyone here familiar with simple shell scripting? [22:06] Seriously? flashplugin-installer requires 20MB of i386 libraries to install? [22:06] Bugger me with a spoon [22:06] Flash cannot die qucikly enough [22:07] CrusaderAD: I know a little shell scripting. What's up? [22:07] I have a pipe feed that I need to parse out... something like value1|value2|value3 [22:07] how do I break it up and put each one into it's own variable? [22:08] I'm really not following [22:09] basically split up the line... value1|value2|value3 into a = value1 b = value2 c = value3 [22:09] Right, but you're using pipes as the delimeter? [22:09] yep [22:09] I'd recommend using a different character [22:09] like space [22:10] why? what's the difference? [22:10] because otherwise the shell will try to pipe the initial result through the second value, and then through the third [22:10] | is a special character [22:11] Much like > or < [22:11] yes but sometimes the values will have spaces themselves [22:11] OK, back up here [22:11] You need to explain a little more about what you're doing. [22:12] because right now I think you're insane [22:12] and I don't think that's the case. [22:13] lol, what's wrong with a pipe delimited feed? [22:13] OK, for starters this is coming from an external file, correct? [22:13] and not on the command line? [22:13] snap-l: using the pipe is fine. He just needs to single quote the value. [22:14] yep, a txt file line by line [22:14] OK, now that we have that established [22:14] it doesn't have to be pipe... doesn't really matter [22:14] and you want to split the file on the delimiter [22:14] yep [22:14] And Perl and AWK are right out, correct? [22:14] If you don't have to use a shell script you can do this trivially with most other languages (for example, Perl can do this in one line). [22:15] because that's my next recommendation. ;) [22:17] hm, so building an array isn't easily achieved in shell scripting? [22:17] CrusaderAD: so you have a shell environment but awk isn't an option? That's unusual. [22:18] (sure, Perl can't guaranteed to be everywhere, but you'd be hard pressed to find a UNIX that has a shell but not awk) [22:18] awk is an option, I did some research and that seemed like a possibility [22:18] CrusaderAD: that's typically how shell scripters do that sort of thing. [22:18] Frankly, you'll wind up using awk or perl anyway to do the heavy lifting [22:19] the only other option I can think of is cut, but that won't do quite what you're looking for [22:20] sed is also an ugly/convoluted option, but awk is the tool typically used for that sort of parsing. [22:21] yep, I think I found something to go on: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6917807/awk-parsing-pipe-delimited-input thanks for the suggestions! [22:21] Yeah, shell scripts aren't great for text parsing [22:21] agreed [22:21] that's why awk and perl are handy to know