[00:22] <tjagoda> So
[00:22] <rick_h__> party
[00:22] <tjagoda> Installing KDE.... LightDM or KDM?
[00:26] <tjagoda> I pick KDM.
[00:36] <tjagoda> and now to reboot and see how much I destroyed everything
[01:00] <rick_h__> sudo echo disable > /proc/acpi/ibm/bluetooth
[01:20] <tjagoda> KDE
[01:20] <tjagoda> its like an exciting new world
[01:24] <rick_h__> heh, don't get lost now
[01:48] <tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible
[02:32] <rick_h__> import ipdb; ipdb.set_trace()
[12:28] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:37] <Wolfger> morning
[12:39] <rick_h__> party
[13:15] <brousch> did tjagoda survive his kde experiment?
[13:15] <rick_h__> not sure
[13:15] <rick_h__> 01:48 <   tjagoda> Spent the last 48 minutes making it look as much like gnome 2.2 as possible
[13:15] <rick_h__> was where he left off
[13:15] <brousch> 2AM? yikes
[13:16] <rick_h__> meh, my ec2 instance is on UTC
[13:19] <brousch> freak
[13:19] <rick_h__> just didn't care enough to change it
[13:19] <brousch> i <3 python. i hacked out a script to backup windows profiles over the network yesterday
[13:20] <rick_h__> good stuff! (the python...yuck to the windows)
[13:20] <brousch> yeah, win7 roaming profiles are not working well, so i'm going to not use them and just backup the important local stuff myself
[13:21] <brousch> basically just sharing the C: on the PC, then use smbclient to grab the stuff
[13:24] <brousch> roaming profiles are kind of a PITA anyways. they slow the whole system down when people login in the morning and out at night
[13:26] <rick_h__> yea, always fun
[13:28] <brousch> my next project is to parse CNC code for one machine and translate it to another, then stick the file where it's supposed to go
[13:28] <brousch> more python fun
[13:29] <rick_h__> http://pyparsing.wikispaces.com/
[13:29] <rick_h__> create your own parsed language of G codes and such
[13:30] <brousch> i really just have to look for 4-6 Gcodes and strip them out or convert them to the proper code
[13:30] <brousch> all the movement stuff is fine
[13:30] <brousch> but i'll check it out
[13:30] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha
[13:31] <rick_h__> it's something I keep wanting to try out so pushing on you to figure out for me :)
[13:31] <brousch> heh
[13:32] <brousch> this crusty old dxf->NC code program refuses to remember our machine. it will only output NC code for one machine, so i am going to post-process it
[13:34] <brousch> i hope to switch to an open source program some day, but i need a solution now that the draftsmen can use
[13:37] <brousch> i have a possible ironpython project about 3 months out
[13:53] <tjagoda> brousch: I do not have your RAM problems
[13:53] <tjagoda> Running firefox and pidgin last night I was using ~806MB
[13:53] <brousch> chrome is the big culprit
[13:54] <brousch> krondor walked me through some stats yesterday
[13:55] <brousch> it is currently using 1.4GB with 14 tabs open
[14:04] <tjagoda> ahhh
[14:04] <tjagoda> The dark styles are broken for me
[14:04] <tjagoda> impossible bug in firefox uses system colors, so if text box text is white in system theme, and the facebook comment box is white per say
[14:04] <tjagoda> hosed
[14:07] <Wolfger> tjagoda: Yes, that has always been the issue keeping dark themes from being usable :-p
[14:07] <Wolfger> Though now that I'm digging on Rekonq, maybe I should try again and see if it's smarter?
[14:07] <brousch> tjagoda: i am just using the oxygen theme
[14:07] <Wolfger> Welcome to KDE, by the way. :-)
[14:08] <Wolfger> Were you able to config it to look just like Gnome 2.2?
[14:11] <tjagoda> Mostly
[14:11] <tjagoda> The bottom panel doesnt work quite right when I use widgets
[14:12] <tjagoda> lock widgets*
[14:12] <tjagoda> And the notifications dont autoclear, which is annoying for pidgin
[14:13] <brousch> mine do
[14:17] <brousch> i don't see a setting for that
[14:18] <brousch> ah
[14:18] <brousch> do you see the little "i" icon in your notification area?
[14:18] <brousch> it's notiifications and jobs
[14:19] <brousch> right-click it, notification settings, auto-hide
[14:27] <tjagoda> ahhaaa
[14:27] <tjagoda> I will have to do that when I get home
[14:27] <tjagoda> Do they still stack up in the notifications tray?
[14:35] <brousch> i only have that when coming out of suspend
[14:35] <brousch> otherwise they go away after a few seconds
[14:38] <tjagoda> But they stack up in the tray if you click on it, right?
[14:38] <tjagoda> It keeps like a history until you hit the little X's to clear them
[14:41] <brousch> yeah, it has a history
[14:41] <brousch> with filters at the top
[14:52] <tjagoda> Yeah, thats what I feel compelled to obsessively purge
[14:55] <brousch> why? you don't see them unless you click it
[14:57] <snap-l> Good God, traffic sucked this morning
[14:57] <tjagoda> But they're there =(
[14:58] <snap-l> http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/Pedestrian-killed-on-WB-I-696-near-Farmington-Road/-/1719418/7647710/-/rx0iu/-/index.html
[15:01] <brousch> tjagoda: i don't see a "don't save notification history" setting
[15:02] <Wolfger> brousch: there must be one. KDE has a setting for everything. :-)
[15:02] <brousch> so i thought
[15:02] <Wolfger> oh, wait, that was KDE3, not the gnomified KDE4. :-p
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[15:03] <tjagoda> Why are we systematically destroying all our user interfaces? =P
[15:03] <tjagoda> I'm gonna have to start using Macs because Ill have to avoid both Windows 8 Metro and most of Open Source =P
[15:08] <nullspace> snap-l: yeah I got stuck in that shit this morning
[15:09] <nullspace> I drove right on to 696 before they closed teh telgraph ramp
[15:11] <snap-l> nullspace: Oh, lovely.
[15:11] <snap-l> I drove 13 mile road, which was just as bad of a mistake. ;)
[15:17] <nullspace> took me an hour to get to work, normally takes 15 minutes
[15:18] <nullspace> but wow a pedestrian was hit multiple times on a freeway
[15:22] <snap-l> Wow, that's not good
[15:23] <brousch> i recommend you not walk on the freeway
[15:23] <ColonelPanic001> so do the signs on the entrance ramps
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> ah
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> he was changing a tire
[15:29] <ColonelPanic001> http://www.freep.com/article/20120105/NEWS03/120105003/I-696-westbound-in-Farmington-Hills-closed-after-pedestrian-hit?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
[15:31] <_stink_> damn
[15:31] <brousch> that sucks
[15:32] <_stink_> well said :P
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> brousch is a wordsmith.
[15:33] <brousch> i get really scared if i have to get out of the car on the freeway
[15:33] <ColonelPanic001> I don't even like pulling over
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> pain in the rear to get back into traffic
[15:34] <brousch> punch it!
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> I have a civic
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> no such thing
[15:34] <ColonelPanic001> :)
[15:35] <nullspace> he has a civil civic, so it tries to resolve things without resorting to violence ....
[15:38]  * ColonelPanic001 is sometimes civil
[15:41] <brousch> buy one of those big picnic table spoilers. that'll get you moving faster
[15:41] <snap-l> heh
[15:48] <tjagoda> Oh no
[15:48] <tjagoda> iPhones have infiltrated our sales office
[15:48]  * tjagoda braces for the spike in calls for people who "suddenly" have problems with their older blackberries 
[15:48] <snap-l> The imperials have infiltrated the base!
[15:51] <brousch> tjagoda: tell them you only support BB and android
[15:54] <tjagoda> I do
[15:55] <tjagoda> And then I tell them how much ludicrously cheaper the BB's are
[15:55] <nullspace> though the time to abdon the BB ship is getting pretty close
[15:55] <tjagoda> Nah.
[15:55] <tjagoda> Thats all press drama.
[15:56] <nullspace> though BB server is kinda pricey
[15:56] <tjagoda> the board will fire the co-CEO's and then the ship will right itself
[15:56] <tjagoda> Not having policy management is kind of pricey.
[15:56] <tjagoda> (Although we dont use a BB server here anyway)
[15:58] <nullspace> I suppose they don't schedule meetings via BB then
[15:59] <jrwren> BB server is free until you reach a large N client numbr
[16:01] <nullspace> jrwren: ah nice, didn't know
[16:05] <snap-l> tjagoda: Blackberry is just rearranging the deck chairs. :)
[16:06] <brousch> BB is a goner. even IBM is trying iOS and android
[16:21] <tjagoda> They fired like 2k people
[16:21] <tjagoda> Apparently the wrong 2k people
[16:21] <tjagoda> because they haven't been able to get anything done since
[16:34] <snap-l> If a business' response to bad news is to can people, they're in the wrong business
[16:34] <snap-l> or they hired some truly spectacularly bad people.
[16:35] <snap-l> And if you can let go of 2K people, your biggest proglem is either in your hiring practices, or your management of those people
[16:36] <snap-l> regardless, it means there's something dreadfully wrong that needs purging.
[17:33] <snap-l> So, how's the afternoon so far?
[17:34] <rick_h__> ugh
[17:44] <tjagoda> 2k people was about 11% of the bb workforce
[17:44] <snap-l> tjagoda: That's still too many
[17:47] <krondor> wow I didn't realize you could lsof and strace right in htop
[17:50] <snap-l> Didn't know that either
[17:51] <krondor> yeah just s for strace and l for lsof on any highlighted process
[17:52] <snap-l> very cool.
[17:54] <snap-l> Just don't try to do a Library trace on Banshee while you're listening to it. ;)
[17:55] <Blazeix> wow, that's really cool
[17:55] <rick_h__> lol
[17:56] <snap-l> I am going to beat the person who came up with L-shaped enter keys
[17:56] <snap-l> Can't count how many times I've hit Enter when I've meant |
[18:01] <snap-l> Apparently B&N has been in the mushrooms again: http://www.writerswrite.com/blog/10520121
[18:01] <rick_h__> yea, read that.
[18:01] <snap-l> Just once I'd like to buy a device and not tank the company along with it.
[18:02] <rick_h__> I think they're a bit confused as to why they sell the nook
[18:02] <tjagoda> Makes sense to me
[18:02] <rick_h__> if they take away the stores, the in store reading, etc...why get a nook again?
[18:02] <snap-l> tjagoda: I secretly believe you lick toads to see colors.
[18:03] <tjagoda> B&N wants to sell books, not gadgets
[18:03] <tjagoda> outsource gadgets
[18:03] <tjagoda> resume focus on books
[18:03] <snap-l> tjagoda: And that's foolish and irresponsible
[18:03] <rick_h__> right, but they're making $$ on gadgets not books :)
[18:03] <snap-l> Anyone who thinks they can make a go with just books is stupid
[18:03] <tjagoda> Doesn't say they'd purge the strategic partnerships does it?
[18:03] <rick_h__> so spin off the gadget part, make it profitable, and let the book part go down the hole
[18:03] <rick_h__> except once they do that, their gadget will cease to be useful/different enough to sell
[18:04] <snap-l> Except they've gone and done a Netflix
[18:04] <snap-l> or Qwikster
[18:04] <rick_h__> heh
[18:04] <snap-l> People believe the Nook is solid because it's part of a chain store
[18:04] <tjagoda> Probably true enough
[18:04] <rick_h__> it is!
[18:04] <tjagoda> Although I think the opposite
[18:04] <tjagoda> I avoid the nook because its part of that chain store
[18:04] <tjagoda> lol
[18:04] <rick_h__> come on, you're telling me that that they'd sell as many nooks if it wasn't front and center of that store?
[18:05] <snap-l> Absolutely not
[18:05] <tjagoda> I don't think that spinning it off involves a purge out of stores
[18:05] <snap-l> Hell, they have nook parties
[18:05] <rick_h__> tjagoda: need to look farther
[18:05] <rick_h__> if the stores don't make money...they close stores...if they close stores...nooks don't sell
[18:06] <tjagoda> Are you proposing that a tiny nook stand is the difference between sustaining a giant mortar store?
[18:06] <Wolfger> krondor: That's awesome. I didn't know that about htop either.
[18:06] <rick_h__> they've had multiple losing $$ quarters in a row
[18:06] <snap-l> I'm saying it gives more of a presence
[18:06] <rick_h__> they're not sustaining now
[18:07] <snap-l> Actually, though, there's a kernel of insight
[18:07] <snap-l> I wonder how long the tablet market will last
[18:07] <snap-l> recall the lovely netbook days
[18:07] <snap-l> maybe this isn't such a dumb idea after all
[18:07] <snap-l> partner for the hardware to get released
[18:08] <snap-l> and make the $$ on the software.
[18:08] <snap-l> it's a gamble
[18:08] <snap-l> and I think it's a little too soon to make such a move.
[18:08] <tjagoda> When I hear "nook"
[18:08] <tjagoda> I only hear "nook"
[18:08] <tjagoda> Never "Barnes & Noble's nook reader"
[18:08] <tjagoda> Which is why I assume the hardware doesn't really matter
[18:09] <snap-l> tjagoda: You haven't powered one up. ;)
[18:09] <snap-l> but yeah, that's the point.
[18:09] <tjagoda> I bet hordes of people go to Amazon in an effort to buy Nooks.
[18:10] <snap-l> http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=nook&x=0&y=0
[18:10] <snap-l> They actually sell it on Amazon.
[18:10] <snap-l> The Nook Color
[18:10] <tjagoda> Yeah, just searched as well
[18:10] <tjagoda> I am surprised
[18:10] <snap-l> Hey, Amazon likes money.
[18:10] <tjagoda> 'specially with Amazon's latest douchetactics
[18:11] <snap-l> you'll note that the Kindle Fire is at the top of that list, though.
[18:11] <tjagoda> you probably buy a nook and then get an email about how much better a kindle is
[18:11] <_stink_> holy crap i like htop even more now.
[18:11] <tjagoda> That would be a hilarious "Bought Together" combo package
[18:11] <tjagoda> "Buy a nook and get your kindle %50 off!"
[18:12] <tjagoda> Also, we all know why netbooks failed
[18:12] <tjagoda> ...Apple never made one. =p
[18:13] <Wolfger> LOL
[18:14] <Wolfger> Netbooks failed because... well, let's see... They are still selling netbooks. Define "failed" again?
[18:14] <snap-l> Wolfger: They've morphed into ultrabooks
[18:14] <tjagoda> Tablets replaced netbooks
[18:15] <Wolfger> I got rid of mine because I got a full-fledged laptop, and an Android phone. The netbook was no longer useful, being a subset of each of those devices.
[18:15] <snap-l> yeah, my netbook sits on a shelf
[18:15] <tjagoda> As does mine
[18:15] <tjagoda> I even have the nice system76 netbook
[18:15] <tjagoda> I should ebay that.
[18:16] <snap-l> You should send it to me gratis
[18:16] <snap-l> for having to endure your blackberry comments.
[18:16] <Wolfger> but now tablets come with (optional) keyboards... so really they *are* netbooks at that point. Fancy netbooks with touch-screens
[18:41] <brousch> the main reason i got a nook color is because it was cheaper than any other tablet and had CM support
[18:42] <brousch> although emagazine subscriptions through B&N reader are OK
[18:55] <tjagoda> snap-l: Do you want to buy it?
[18:55] <tjagoda> It has an SSD inside it.
[19:02] <Wolfger> brousch: CM?
[19:02] <brousch> cyanogenmod
[19:02] <Wolfger> ah
[19:05] <snap-l> tjagoda: UNless it's less than $100, I'm pretty much tapped.
[19:05] <snap-l> Gotta some expenses ahead.
[19:13] <tjagoda> </3
[19:13] <brousch> this page is freaking me out http://beckgroup.com/
[19:23] <snap-l> brousch: What's freaky about it?
[19:23] <brousch> it's moving
[19:24] <brousch> drifting
[19:24] <snap-l> Ah, I don't hav eflash running on this machine yet.
[19:24] <brousch> how can you live without flash?!
[19:24] <snap-l> Well, pretty well, actually.
[19:26] <brousch> unpossible
[19:33] <tjagoda> Geah
[19:33] <tjagoda> that page makes me feel like I should be sea sick
[21:37] <brousch> https://github.com/blog/1016-github-drinkup-in-grand-rapids
[22:05] <CrusaderAD> Anyone here familiar with simple shell scripting?
[22:06] <snap-l> Seriously? flashplugin-installer requires 20MB of i386 libraries to install?
[22:06] <snap-l> Bugger me with a spoon
[22:06] <snap-l> Flash cannot die qucikly enough
[22:07] <snap-l> CrusaderAD: I know a little shell scripting. What's up?
[22:07] <CrusaderAD> I have a pipe feed that I need to parse out... something like value1|value2|value3
[22:07] <CrusaderAD> how do I break it up and put each one into it's own variable?
[22:08] <snap-l> I'm really not following
[22:09] <CrusaderAD> basically split up the line... value1|value2|value3 into a = value1 b = value2 c = value3
[22:09] <snap-l> Right, but you're using pipes as the delimeter?
[22:09] <CrusaderAD> yep
[22:09] <snap-l> I'd recommend using a different character
[22:09] <snap-l> like space
[22:10] <CrusaderAD> why? what's the difference?
[22:10] <snap-l> because otherwise the shell will try to pipe the initial result through the second value, and then through the third
[22:10] <snap-l> | is a special character
[22:11] <snap-l> Much like > or <
[22:11] <CrusaderAD> yes but sometimes the values will have spaces themselves
[22:11] <snap-l> OK, back up here
[22:11] <snap-l> You need to explain a little more about what you're doing.
[22:12] <snap-l> because right now I think you're insane
[22:12] <snap-l> and I don't think that's the case.
[22:13] <CrusaderAD> lol, what's wrong with a pipe delimited feed?
[22:13] <snap-l> OK, for starters this is coming from an external file, correct?
[22:13] <snap-l> and not on the command line?
[22:13] <devinheitmueller> snap-l: using the pipe is fine.  He just needs to single quote the value.
[22:14] <CrusaderAD> yep, a txt file line by line
[22:14] <snap-l> OK, now that we have that established
[22:14] <CrusaderAD> it doesn't have to be pipe... doesn't really matter
[22:14] <snap-l> and you want to split the file on the delimiter
[22:14] <CrusaderAD> yep
[22:14] <snap-l> And Perl and AWK are right out, correct?
[22:14] <devinheitmueller> If you don't have to use a shell script you can do this trivially with most other languages (for example, Perl can do this in one line).
[22:15] <snap-l> because that's my next recommendation. ;)
[22:17] <CrusaderAD> hm, so building an array isn't easily achieved in shell scripting?
[22:17] <devinheitmueller> CrusaderAD: so you have a shell environment but awk isn't an option?  That's unusual.
[22:18] <devinheitmueller> (sure, Perl can't guaranteed to be everywhere, but you'd be hard pressed to find a UNIX that has a shell but not awk)
[22:18] <CrusaderAD> awk is an option, I did some research and that seemed like a possibility
[22:18] <devinheitmueller> CrusaderAD: that's typically how shell scripters do that sort of thing.
[22:18] <snap-l> Frankly, you'll wind up using awk or perl anyway to do the heavy lifting
[22:19] <snap-l> the only other option I can think of is cut, but that won't do quite what you're looking for
[22:20] <devinheitmueller> sed is also an ugly/convoluted option, but awk is the tool typically used for that sort of parsing.
[22:21] <CrusaderAD> yep, I think I found something to go on: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6917807/awk-parsing-pipe-delimited-input thanks for the suggestions!
[22:21] <snap-l> Yeah, shell scripts aren't great for text parsing
[22:21] <CrusaderAD> agreed
[22:21] <snap-l> that's why awk and perl are handy to know