[06:42] bencc: not really [06:42] bencc: upstart allows you to coordinate the start/stop with other events [06:43] bencc: it does end up replacing the need for pid/lock files, but thats only a small subset [13:05] SpamapS: I understand that python-daemon is only a small subset of upstart [13:06] I'm asking if I'm using upstart to monitor a long-living process, do I still need python-daemon or not [13:59] bencc: python-daemon has *nothing* to do with Upstart. If your python script runs on the command-line, it should work as a job. If it forks, Upstart will need to know about it though. See http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#precepts-for-creating-a-job-configuration-file, and particularly http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#expect [14:10] jodh: can you explain what python-daemon does that upstart doesn't? [14:11] bencc: I have zero knowledge of python-daemon - it's nothing to do with upstart. This channel is for discussing Upstart, not python.