| HTN-Kitsune | ok, it seams to be fine now. sorry for bothering you. | 00:00 |
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| WebGoddess008 | hello | 04:55 |
| WebGoddess008 | hi | 04:59 |
| nanotube | howdy | 05:01 |
| WebGoddess008 | hi | 05:01 |
| nanotube | greetings | 05:02 |
| WebGoddess008 | i like unity okay but ended up reinstalling to Xubuntu tonight | 05:02 |
| WebGoddess008 | xfce just is way more customizable and i feel like i can be productive on here | 05:03 |
| WebGoddess008 | unity feels like it's for novice computer users instead of power users | 05:03 |
| WebGoddess008 | the workspace switcher on the taskbar works a lot better for me | 05:04 |
| WebGoddess008 | anyway i'm hoping to be able to contribute something to the x/ubuntu community, signed up for a couple of the mailing lists | 05:04 |
| nanotube | sounds great, WebGoddess008 :) | 05:05 |
| nanotube | i'm in the same boat - tried unity for a couple weeks, then dumped it in favor of xubuntu | 05:05 |
| WebGoddess008 | yeah it was just about two weeks even lol | 05:06 |
| WebGoddess008 | i've been using debian on all of my webservers for years, and i like win7 but it just felt like it was time for me to move to linux officially | 05:06 |
| WebGoddess008 | so now i don't have windows anymore except for imaging my old desktop and shoving it in virtualbox | 05:07 |
| WebGoddess008 | which i only really did because i have tons of notes in onenote 2010 that need to get moved to tomboy or similar | 05:07 |
| Unit193 | Might be better off in #xubuntu-offtopic | 05:07 |
| WebGoddess008 | oh ok, well i am gnu to the community just trying to get situated, i want to contribute on some level, signed up to the marketing list and stuff | 05:08 |
| nanotube | Unit193: you're like the federal reserve - just as the party gets started, you take away the punch bowl :) | 05:08 |
| WebGoddess008 | i think xubuntu is more marketable to the types of people i associate with than unity | 05:09 |
| Unit193 | nanotube: Problem ossifer? ;) | 05:10 |
| nanotube | Unit193: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McChesney_Martin#Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve | 05:11 |
| WebGoddess008 | the preview livecd for xubuntu is not as impressive as the one for unity, i think it could be improved, also the panel editor has some oddities like using the same icon for removing stuff from the panel as for adding a separator | 05:12 |
| nanotube | WebGoddess008: yea i noticed that too, about the separator | 05:13 |
| nanotube | wonder if there's a launchpad issue on that | 05:13 |
| WebGoddess008 | yeah i haven't had time to set up launchpad but the more i look into the community the more interesting it is, been using ubuntu exclusively for about two weeks as primary o/s and i'm using the computer for up to 12 hours a day lol | 05:15 |
| * nanotube 's been with ubuntu since 2005 or so | 05:16 | |
| WebGoddess008 | i used to be a software engineer so i've done enough development work to notice stuff from that angle | 05:16 |
| WebGoddess008 | well i've been with debian server-side forever and it seems like ubuntu is the GUI side of debian so that is why i chose it over debian | 05:17 |
| WebGoddess008 | i know ubuntu has serverside stuff too but i've not had time to explore that | 05:17 |
| WebGoddess008 | i don't mind hacking config files to set up a webserver | 05:17 |
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| Exia00 | Hello, quick question! Can xubuntu run on a pentium 3 650Mhz 256mb ram and 8mb video? thanks! | 08:32 |
| lighta | I think yes Exia00 | 08:35 |
| Marzata | Exia00: should be no problem. | 08:36 |
| Marzata | Exia00: but you might go for fluxbox for better performance. | 08:37 |
| Exia00 | thanks lighta and marzata! will check both and see what happens! | 08:39 |
| Unit193 | Errrr... I wouldn't recommend Xubuntu for that... | 08:40 |
| Marzata | Unit193: ? | 08:41 |
| PopeJob | you might have trouble with old network cards and soundlbasters | 08:43 |
| Unit193 | Mind you that I can't find anything that *officially* says that it won't work, but.... | 08:45 |
| lighta | hey guys I have a route probleme can someone help me with that ? I don't understand how they come back... | 10:21 |
| Alan | Is anybody else using dual monitors on intel graphics on xubuntu 11.10? I'm finding it really difficult to persist the monitor layout | 10:33 |
| Alan | I did the "obvious" thing and put an xrandr command into my startup, however after it applies something else fights with it and puts it back to cloned mode | 10:33 |
| Alan | and i haven't even enabled gnome-settings-daemon yet.... | 10:33 |
| Alan | Also, did backports become selected by default in 11.10? | 11:30 |
| makara | hi | 12:45 |
| makara | tell me about xubuntu | 12:45 |
| baizon | xubuntu is awesome | 12:45 |
| makara | what cant I do | 12:45 |
| baizon | with? | 12:46 |
| Sysi | I'd say coffee but I think you can | 12:46 |
| makara | i see it uses xfce. i switched to xfce on ubuntu and the fonts are more difficult to read for xchat. | 12:46 |
| makara | is it more stable? | 12:47 |
| makara | can I used alternative keyboard layouts like like for Hindi? | 12:48 |
| makara | can I install LibreOffice? | 12:48 |
| Marzata | makara: yes | 12:48 |
| Marzata | makara: Xchat is very stable, but irssi is best. | 12:48 |
| Sysi | xubuntu differentiates about xfce on ubuntu just by default settings and set of applications | 12:48 |
| Sysi | you can change antialiasing settings (for font) in appearance settings | 12:49 |
| Sysi | you can lose your window borders if you get corrupted saved session but that's easy to fix (or avoid) | 12:50 |
| Sysi | otherly should be really stable | 12:50 |
| makara | okey dokey. changed sub-pixel and hinting and its much better | 12:51 |
| makara | it feels snappy like Ubuntu 10.04 again | 12:51 |
| Marzata | xfce is more stable than gnome2 | 12:52 |
| makara | with gnome 2 and compizconfig-settings-manager I could set keyboard shortcuts to place a window in the top right of the screen. Can XFCE do that? | 12:55 |
| Sysi | see window manager settings -> keyboard, possibly wmctrl, and compiz works fine with xfce | 12:56 |
| sebapawlak89 | Hi, i recently installed tight vnc server on my PC and after reboot serveral changes were made. I got 2 more workspaces, window decoration options were changes and 2 panels' backround went to solid color (were transparent previously). I managed to set things back but i cannot change panels' background to transparent any more. Any idea how to fix this? | 13:11 |
| makara | irssi has no gui? | 13:17 |
| makara | can I set a keyboard shortcut to open the terminal - ctrl-alt-T, like in Ubuntu | 13:18 |
| makara | my grid plugin shortcuts are not working to put windows into the corner of the screen, along the bottom etc | 13:18 |
| makara | can I use two displays and have them not mirror each other? | 13:20 |
| Sysi | makara: command xfce4-terminal in keyboard settings -> hotkeys | 13:21 |
| Sysi | sebapawlak89: you changed from xubuntu session to xfce session? | 13:21 |
| sebapawlak89 | Sysi: well i tried both | 13:22 |
| makara | setting the background on the laptop changes the background on my plugged in flatscreen | 13:22 |
| Sysi | sebapawlak89: you need to enable compositing in window manager tweaks to get transparent panel | 13:22 |
| Sysi | makara: use arandr | 13:22 |
| sebapawlak89 | Sysi: Do i change it just in settings menu? | 13:23 |
| Sysi | yes | 13:23 |
| makara | Sysi: i dont see xfce4-terminal, but then maybe its because I have xfce on ubuntu, not xubuntu | 13:25 |
| Sysi | makara: I mean add it | 13:26 |
| makara | Sysi: it works | 13:27 |
| Sysi | I know, I just told you to do it | 13:27 |
| makara | easy there | 13:28 |
| makara | i appreciate your help | 13:28 |
| Sysi | :P | 13:28 |
| Marzata | sebapawlak89: vino works fine as vnc server | 13:33 |
| sebapawlak89 | Marzata: tbh i couldnt connect, tight vnc worked perfectly. another thing u cannot configure vino via console :( | 13:43 |
| Marzata | sebapawlak89: can you configure tight vnc via console? | 13:44 |
| sebapawlak89 | Marzata: well yeah. nano its config file | 13:44 |
| Marzata | sebapawlak89: can't you do the same with vino? | 13:47 |
| sebapawlak89 | well not from windows machine | 13:49 |
| sebapawlak89 | via putty | 13:49 |
| sebapawlak89 | only way to configure it via console remotely is to use x streaming | 13:49 |
| Sysi | use whatever works for you | 13:50 |
| sebapawlak89 | i just couldnt find vino config file so i chose tight vnc :) | 13:51 |
| Sysi | it's gnome app, it probable saves settings in gconf | 13:51 |
| douglas | Making a bootable usb stick: So far I've verified sum, tried different sticks, tried working the iso with 'start up disk creator' and 'UNetbootin', and tried different usb slots on the laptop. And each time I get the same error message. | 14:16 |
| knome | would help much if you also told what the error message was | 14:18 |
| jnsl_ | where should i place .otf fonts to install them ? | 15:20 |
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| qpnaosc | hello | 15:29 |
| qpnaosc | I am having a problem with the permissions on my flash drive | 15:30 |
| qpnaosc | currently, it is read only | 15:30 |
| qpnaosc | so I went into the root user, which owns it, and tried to change permissions from there | 15:30 |
| qpnaosc | but it just kept changing them back to read only | 15:30 |
| qpnaosc | after that, I tried some terminal commands: | 15:30 |
| qpnaosc | sudo chown -R USERNAME:USERNAME /media/mynewdrive | 15:31 |
| qpnaosc | and sudo chgrp plugdev /media/mynewdrive | 15:31 |
| qpnaosc | sudo chmod g+w /media/mynewdrive | 15:31 |
| qpnaosc | sudo chmod +t /media/mynewdrive | 15:31 |
| qpnaosc | changing the relevent bits | 15:31 |
| qpnaosc | but it keeps refusing me! | 15:31 |
| knome | qpnaosc, chown? | 15:34 |
| qpnaosc | knome, yes? | 15:38 |
| qpnaosc | knome - yes? | 15:38 |
| qpnaosc | what about it? | 15:41 |
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| Alan | has anybody had any luck with multiple monitors in xubuntu 11.10? | 16:42 |
| Alan | something keeps fighting my xrandr command and setting the displays back to the wrong thing... | 16:42 |
| holstein | Alan: i like arandr | 16:43 |
| Alan | holstein: doesn't look like that will help me with a "persistent" xrandr setup though... it can generate scripts that i can tell the session to autorun, but that still leaves me where i am right now | 16:44 |
| Alan | i.e. the xrandr commands get called then something else comes along and screws it all up again | 16:44 |
| holstein | Alan: have you tried it? | 16:44 |
| holstein | i am proposing it for ubuntustudio, and if you have time to test and confirm, that would be great.. installing it doesnt take long at all | 16:45 |
| Marzata | studio runs xfce? | 16:53 |
| hobgoblin | it does | 16:54 |
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| Alan | (xfce4-settings-helper:20741): xfce4-settings-helper-WARNING **: Failed to c onfigure HDMI2. | 16:57 |
| Alan | did studio switch to XFCE when main Ubuntu stopped with gnome2? | 16:58 |
| hobgoblin | no real idea I'm afraid - I was just looking around | 16:58 |
| Sysi | Alan: what graphics driver are you using? | 16:59 |
| Alan | intel | 16:59 |
| Alan | all i need to do is "xrandr --output HDMI1 --right-of HDMI2" | 17:00 |
| Alan | that's it | 17:00 |
| Alan | but if i do that in my session startup, XFCE craps itself and sets me back to cloned mode | 17:00 |
| Alan | if i do it once my session is up and running, it works fine | 17:00 |
| Sysi | you should maybe ask at #xfce | 17:01 |
| Sysi | I've heard similar problem mentioned there couple of times, can rememebr solution though | 17:01 |
| Sysi | there might be some conf file containing settings you want to delete | 17:01 |
| Alan | holstein: arandr is completely useless it seems | 17:02 |
| Alan | or just unintuitive | 17:02 |
| Alan | oh, ok, i see now | 17:02 |
| Sysi | it's just GUI for xrandr | 17:03 |
| Alan | well that was my argument | 17:04 |
| Alan | here goes. | 17:04 |
| Alan | yup | 17:05 |
| Alan | same behaviour | 17:05 |
| Alan | something is being so smart it's stupid | 17:05 |
| Sysi | do you have gnome settings daemon running? | 17:06 |
| Alan | no | 17:07 |
| Alan | that's the first thing i checked | 17:08 |
| Alan | because i'd had a different but similar problem on another machine | 17:08 |
| Alan | also, wtf, how broken can this get... | 17:08 |
| Alan | i unchecked "use this monitor" and then checked it again.... and the monitor never came back on | 17:08 |
| Alan | and did the same with the other one... | 17:08 |
| Alan | and now i have black screens | 17:08 |
| Alan | what a pile of crap | 17:09 |
| knome | please watch your language | 17:09 |
| Alan | sorry | 17:09 |
| knome | thanks for understanding | 17:09 |
| Alan | i thought that was mild compared to what i'm feeling right now | 17:09 |
| knome | i understand, but we're trying hard to have a family-friendly channel :) | 17:09 |
| Alan | XFCE's multi-monitor support seems to have gone from being braindead to being just good enough to break everything | 17:10 |
| knome | no, the culprit is not xfce really | 17:10 |
| Sysi | I think it is | 17:11 |
| Alan | knome: what would you blame? | 17:12 |
| Sysi | because that probably happens if you open fluxbox-session from lightdm and then run startxfce4 | 17:12 |
| knome | why would you run fluxbox-session if you want xfce? | 17:12 |
| Alan | the point is at some point in the session startup something else is happening to undo what xrandr did | 17:12 |
| Sysi | to check if xfce is culprit | 17:12 |
| knome | so far, i haven't had problems with dualhead in xfce, not with nvidia and not with ati | 17:13 |
| Alan | and that something is really stupid, because XFCE's own display management is half-assed | 17:13 |
| knome | and i don't think intel is any different | 17:13 |
| Alan | knome: how do you have it set up then? | 17:13 |
| Alan | i'd be interested to know | 17:13 |
| knome | well, i'm mostly using nvidia (and nvidia-settings in that case), but it has worked for me with ati by setting up the xrandr commands to autostart | 17:14 |
| Alan | on 11.10? | 17:14 |
| Sysi | Alan: you could try deleting all (xfce) settings, you need to do that when logged out | 17:14 |
| Alan | it works on 11.04 | 17:14 |
| Alan | where do they hide? | 17:15 |
| Alan | all in ~/.config/xfce4? | 17:15 |
| Sysi | afaik | 17:16 |
| Alan | that didn't get rid of the startup stuff... | 17:16 |
| Alan | ok... so did i break something in the great big XFCE registry of doom then? | 17:18 |
| Alan | it's not trying to clone now | 17:18 |
| Alan | if i run the xrandr in startup | 17:18 |
| Alan | whoa... this is weird.... | 17:22 |
| Alan | the clean config doesn't even have a "displays" section in the settings editor | 17:22 |
| Alan | but the other one did... | 17:23 |
| Alan | what the hell is even going on here... | 17:23 |
| Alan | ah | 17:23 |
| Alan | that'll be because i haven't used the display configuration dialog | 17:23 |
| Alan | i think i've isolated the problem... | 17:24 |
| Alan | bingo | 17:24 |
| Alan | my statements weren't far off | 17:26 |
| Alan | XFCE is just clever enough to shoot itself in the foot | 17:26 |
| Sysi | progress! | 17:29 |
| Alan | i'll pastebin my diagnosis | 17:30 |
| Alan | in a minute, when i've finished writing it | 17:30 |
| Alan | http://paste2.org/p/1853694 | 18:01 |
| Alan | Sysi: | 18:01 |
| baizon | Alan: tried arandr? | 18:05 |
| holstein | im interested in how arandr failed and on what hardware... this has been a point of documentation for ubuntustudio and doing extended desktops on XFCE | 18:06 |
| holstein | we have tried with success so far on various ATI, nvidia and intel hardware | 18:07 |
| Sysi | Alan: it would be good if you could make official bug report | 18:13 |
| brad_ | hey, just installed, have some questions :-) | 18:23 |
| brad_ | first, how do i upgrade to the new stable firefox? | 18:24 |
| brad_ | i added the stable ppa but it didnt work | 18:24 |
| Sysi | did you install LTS or 11.10? | 18:24 |
| brad_ | 11 10 | 18:24 |
| Sysi | it should have quite fresh firefox, you probably need to separately find and install from PPA | 18:25 |
| brad_ | huh, let me update it and check what it installs. i'll be back :-) | 18:27 |
| baizon | will be there a upgrade for firefox 8.0 -> 9.0? | 18:27 |
| holstein | baizon: if you add the PPA, you should be able to easily maintain the current stable | 18:30 |
| baizon | yes yes i know | 18:30 |
| baizon | just wondering will it be added to the official repos | 18:30 |
| holstein | https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable | 18:30 |
| holstein | baizon: it shouldnt be... but it could be backported i suppose | 18:31 |
| baizon | ok | 18:31 |
| baizon | but no date yet? | 18:31 |
| holstein | for 9? | 18:31 |
| holstein | i mean, unless it gets backported, it wont happen AFAIK | 18:31 |
| baizon | hmm ok then | 18:32 |
| baizon | thx for the info :) | 18:33 |
| holstein | baizon: i could be mistaken.. i know FF is moving faster than it used to, and the naming is different.. but thats the way it was for the LTS for example | 18:34 |
| baizon | yes, firefox 10 will be a lts version | 18:35 |
| holstein | could be... depends on the timing i suppose | 18:35 |
| Sysi | firefox-lts like 3.6? | 18:42 |
| baizon | Sysi: yes | 18:48 |
| baizon | Sysi: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal | 18:49 |
| oscar | hello | 19:02 |
| oscar | any one here? | 19:02 |
| oscar | i need some help | 19:03 |
| baizon | whats your problem? | 19:04 |
| oscar | i just did a fresh install of xubuntu 11.10 | 19:04 |
| oscar | an i have this weird flickering with the lights | 19:05 |
| oscar | hello? | 19:07 |
| oscar | hello | 19:09 |
| oscar | i need help with a back light problem | 19:11 |
| Marzata | back light? | 19:15 |
| Marzata | apple? | 19:15 |
| Sysi | you need to tell some details, about problem and your hardware | 19:16 |
| vooze | Hey, i have 2 problems... 1: its like "handicap" mode or somthing os set on, everything is really big, and touchscreen keyboard appears on login, how back i go back to "normal" 2: in my panel i cant see sessionsmenu even though its added.. i've tryed to delete and add without luck.. anyone could help with these problems? | 19:52 |
| mongy | is there a decent panel plugin to show memory used, either % or mb/gb is fine, anything except sysload plugin that is already there, its no good for me | 20:05 |
| mongy | thnk I'll go with Indicator-Sysmonitor.. only 5mb more than netspeed plugin. | 20:13 |
| holstein | conky is nice | 20:14 |
| baizon | i use conky | 20:14 |
| mongy | prefer not to have something on the scree. would be hidden a lot | 20:14 |
| mongy | screen* | 20:14 |
| mongy | just want basic netspeed and mem info in the panel, this will do. | 20:15 |
| buskmann | Hi all.. Im trying to make a headless server out of my xubuntu 11.10 32bit installation. But i cant even get a vnc connection. I know i will have to get this working before i get started with the headless bit. Can someone help me with this pls? | 21:14 |
| Unit193 | !vnc | 21:14 |
| ubottu | VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX | 21:14 |
| Unit193 | x11vnc is one you can install | 21:15 |
| Unit193 | x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0 would work to start it, but I highly recommend SSH tunnel rather than opening it up to the world | 21:15 |
| Unit193 | (That command doesn't use a Password to access!) | 21:16 |
| buskmann | thanx.. ill try that.. | 21:16 |
| buskmann | ok.. im really new at this. SSH is only on a locale network? i havent got a nead for opening it to the world, so how can i set up a SSH tunnel? pls | 21:23 |
| buskmann | im gonna read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH first, and come back. tnx :) | 21:25 |
| Unit193 | !ssh|shouldhelptoo | 21:29 |
| ubottu | shouldhelptoo: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon) | 21:29 |
| Unit193 | Nice use of space... | 21:29 |
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| xubuntu976 | Hello I am just installing ubuntu again and i have to say that i LOVE that i can go on the web while ubuntu is installing. | 22:30 |
| Marzata | is this possible with apple or m$? | 22:32 |
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