[00:00] <HTN-Kitsune> ok, it seams to be fine now. sorry for bothering you.
[04:55] <WebGoddess008> hello
[04:59] <WebGoddess008> hi
[05:01] <nanotube> howdy
[05:01] <WebGoddess008> hi
[05:02] <nanotube> greetings
[05:02] <WebGoddess008> i like unity okay but ended up reinstalling to Xubuntu tonight
[05:03] <WebGoddess008> xfce just is way more customizable and i feel like i can be productive on here
[05:03] <WebGoddess008> unity feels like it's for novice computer users instead of power users
[05:04] <WebGoddess008> the workspace switcher on the taskbar works a lot better for me
[05:04] <WebGoddess008> anyway i'm hoping to be able to contribute something to the x/ubuntu community, signed up for a couple of the mailing lists
[05:05] <nanotube> sounds great, WebGoddess008 :)
[05:05] <nanotube> i'm in the same boat - tried unity for a couple weeks, then dumped it in favor of xubuntu
[05:06] <WebGoddess008> yeah it was just about two weeks even lol
[05:06] <WebGoddess008> i've been using debian on all of my webservers for years, and i like win7 but it just felt like it was time for me to move to linux officially
[05:07] <WebGoddess008> so now i don't have windows anymore except for imaging my old desktop and shoving it in virtualbox
[05:07] <WebGoddess008> which i only really did because i have tons of notes in onenote 2010 that need to get moved to tomboy or similar
[05:07] <Unit193> Might be better off in #xubuntu-offtopic
[05:08] <WebGoddess008> oh ok, well i am gnu to the community just trying to get situated, i want to contribute on some level, signed up to the marketing list and stuff
[05:08] <nanotube> Unit193: you're like the federal reserve - just as the party gets started, you take away the punch bowl :)
[05:09] <WebGoddess008> i think xubuntu is more marketable to the types of people i associate with than unity
[05:10] <Unit193> nanotube: Problem ossifer? ;)
[05:11] <nanotube> Unit193: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McChesney_Martin#Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve
[05:12] <WebGoddess008> the preview livecd for xubuntu is not as impressive as the one for unity, i think it could be improved, also the panel editor has some oddities like using the same icon for removing stuff from the panel as for adding a separator
[05:13] <nanotube> WebGoddess008: yea i noticed that too, about the separator
[05:13] <nanotube> wonder if there's a launchpad issue on that
[05:15] <WebGoddess008> yeah i haven't had time to set up launchpad but the more i look into the community the more interesting it is, been using ubuntu exclusively for about two weeks as primary o/s and i'm using the computer for up to 12 hours a day lol
[05:16]  * nanotube 's been with ubuntu since 2005 or so
[05:16] <WebGoddess008> i used to be a software engineer so i've done enough development work to notice stuff from that angle
[05:17] <WebGoddess008> well i've been with debian server-side forever and it seems like ubuntu is the GUI side of debian so that is why i chose it over debian
[05:17] <WebGoddess008> i know ubuntu has serverside stuff too but i've not had time to explore that
[05:17] <WebGoddess008> i don't mind hacking config files to set up a webserver
[08:32] <Exia00> Hello, quick question! Can xubuntu run on a pentium 3 650Mhz 256mb ram and 8mb video? thanks!
[08:35] <lighta> I think yes Exia00
[08:36] <Marzata> Exia00: should be no problem.
[08:37] <Marzata> Exia00: but you might go for fluxbox for better performance.
[08:39] <Exia00> thanks lighta and marzata! will check both and see what happens!
[08:40] <Unit193> Errrr... I wouldn't recommend Xubuntu for that...
[08:41] <Marzata> Unit193: ?
[08:43] <PopeJob> you might have trouble with old network cards and soundlbasters
[08:45] <Unit193> Mind you that I can't find anything that *officially* says that it won't work, but....
[10:21] <lighta> hey guys I have a route probleme can someone help me with that ? I don't understand how they come back...
[10:33] <Alan> Is anybody else using dual monitors on intel graphics on xubuntu 11.10?  I'm finding it really difficult to persist the monitor layout
[10:33] <Alan> I did the "obvious" thing and put an xrandr command into my startup, however after it applies something else fights with it and puts it back to cloned mode
[10:33] <Alan> and i haven't even enabled gnome-settings-daemon yet....
[11:30] <Alan> Also, did backports become selected by default in 11.10?
[12:45] <makara> hi
[12:45] <makara> tell me about xubuntu
[12:45] <baizon> xubuntu is awesome
[12:45] <makara> what cant I do
[12:46] <baizon> with?
[12:46] <Sysi> I'd say coffee but I think you can
[12:46] <makara> i see it uses xfce. i switched to xfce on ubuntu and the fonts are more difficult to read for xchat.
[12:47] <makara> is it more stable?
[12:48] <makara> can I used alternative keyboard layouts like like for Hindi?
[12:48] <makara> can I install LibreOffice?
[12:48] <Marzata> makara: yes
[12:48] <Marzata> makara: Xchat is very stable, but irssi is best.
[12:48] <Sysi> xubuntu differentiates about xfce on ubuntu just by default settings and set of applications
[12:49] <Sysi> you can change antialiasing settings (for font) in appearance settings
[12:50] <Sysi> you can lose your window borders if you get corrupted saved session but that's easy to fix (or avoid)
[12:50] <Sysi> otherly should be really stable
[12:51] <makara> okey dokey. changed sub-pixel and hinting and its much better
[12:51] <makara> it feels snappy like Ubuntu 10.04 again
[12:52] <Marzata> xfce is more stable than gnome2
[12:55] <makara> with gnome 2 and compizconfig-settings-manager I could set keyboard shortcuts to place a window in the top right of the screen. Can XFCE do that?
[12:56] <Sysi> see window manager settings -> keyboard, possibly wmctrl, and compiz works fine with xfce
[13:11] <sebapawlak89> Hi, i recently installed tight vnc server on my PC and after reboot serveral changes were made. I got 2 more workspaces, window decoration options were changes and 2 panels' backround went to solid color (were transparent previously). I managed to set things back but i cannot change panels' background to transparent any more. Any idea how to fix this?
[13:17] <makara> irssi has no gui?
[13:18] <makara> can I set a keyboard shortcut to open the terminal - ctrl-alt-T, like in Ubuntu
[13:18] <makara> my grid plugin shortcuts are not working to put windows into the corner of the screen, along the bottom etc
[13:20] <makara> can I use two displays and have them not mirror each other?
[13:21] <Sysi> makara: command xfce4-terminal in keyboard settings -> hotkeys
[13:21] <Sysi> sebapawlak89: you changed from xubuntu session to xfce session?
[13:22] <sebapawlak89> Sysi: well i tried both
[13:22] <makara> setting the background on the laptop changes the background on my plugged in flatscreen
[13:22] <Sysi> sebapawlak89: you need to enable compositing in window manager tweaks to get transparent panel
[13:22] <Sysi> makara: use arandr
[13:23] <sebapawlak89> Sysi: Do i change it just in settings menu?
[13:23] <Sysi> yes
[13:25] <makara> Sysi: i dont see xfce4-terminal, but then maybe its because I have xfce on ubuntu, not xubuntu
[13:26] <Sysi> makara: I mean add it
[13:27] <makara> Sysi: it works
[13:27] <Sysi> I know, I just told you to do it
[13:28] <makara> easy there
[13:28] <makara> i appreciate your help
[13:28] <Sysi> :P
[13:33] <Marzata> sebapawlak89: vino works fine as vnc server
[13:43] <sebapawlak89> Marzata: tbh i couldnt connect, tight vnc worked perfectly. another thing u cannot configure vino via console :(
[13:44] <Marzata> sebapawlak89: can you configure tight vnc via console?
[13:44] <sebapawlak89> Marzata: well yeah. nano its config file
[13:47] <Marzata> sebapawlak89: can't you do the same with vino?
[13:49] <sebapawlak89> well not from windows machine
[13:49] <sebapawlak89> via putty
[13:49] <sebapawlak89> only way to configure it via console remotely is to use x streaming
[13:50] <Sysi> use whatever works for you
[13:51] <sebapawlak89> i just couldnt find vino config file so i chose tight vnc :)
[13:51] <Sysi> it's gnome app, it probable saves settings in gconf
[14:16] <douglas> Making a bootable usb stick:  So far I've verified sum, tried different sticks, tried working the iso with 'start up disk creator' and 'UNetbootin', and tried different usb slots on the laptop.  And each time I get the same error message.
[14:18] <knome> would help much if you also told what the error message was
[15:20] <jnsl_> where should i place .otf fonts to install them ?
[15:29] <qpnaosc> hello
[15:30] <qpnaosc> I am having a problem with the permissions on my flash drive
[15:30] <qpnaosc> currently, it is read only
[15:30] <qpnaosc> so I went into the root user, which owns it, and tried to change permissions from there
[15:30] <qpnaosc> but it just kept changing them back to read only
[15:30] <qpnaosc> after that, I tried some terminal commands:
[15:31] <qpnaosc>  sudo chown -R USERNAME:USERNAME /media/mynewdrive
[15:31] <qpnaosc> and   sudo chgrp plugdev /media/mynewdrive
[15:31] <qpnaosc>   sudo chmod g+w /media/mynewdrive
[15:31] <qpnaosc>   sudo chmod +t /media/mynewdrive
[15:31] <qpnaosc> changing the relevent bits
[15:31] <qpnaosc> but it keeps refusing me!
[15:34] <knome> qpnaosc, chown?
[15:38] <qpnaosc> knome, yes?
[15:38] <qpnaosc> knome - yes?
[15:41] <qpnaosc> what about it?
[16:42] <Alan> has anybody had any luck with multiple monitors in xubuntu 11.10?
[16:42] <Alan> something keeps fighting my xrandr command and setting the displays back to the wrong thing...
[16:43] <holstein> Alan: i like arandr
[16:44] <Alan> holstein: doesn't look like that will help me with a "persistent" xrandr setup though... it can generate scripts that i can tell the session to autorun, but that still leaves me where i am right now
[16:44] <Alan> i.e. the xrandr commands get called then something else comes along and screws it all up again
[16:44] <holstein> Alan: have you tried it?
[16:45] <holstein> i am proposing it for ubuntustudio, and if you have time to test and confirm, that would be great.. installing it doesnt take long at all
[16:53] <Marzata> studio runs xfce?
[16:54] <hobgoblin> it does
[16:57] <Alan> (xfce4-settings-helper:20741): xfce4-settings-helper-WARNING **: Failed to c    onfigure HDMI2.
[16:58] <Alan> did studio switch to XFCE when main Ubuntu stopped with gnome2?
[16:58] <hobgoblin> no real idea I'm afraid - I was just looking around
[16:59] <Sysi> Alan: what graphics driver are you using?
[16:59] <Alan> intel
[17:00] <Alan> all i need to do is "xrandr --output HDMI1 --right-of HDMI2"
[17:00] <Alan> that's it
[17:00] <Alan> but if i do that in my session startup, XFCE craps itself and sets me back to cloned mode
[17:00] <Alan> if i do it once my session is up and running, it works fine
[17:01] <Sysi> you should maybe ask at #xfce
[17:01] <Sysi> I've heard similar problem mentioned there couple of times, can rememebr solution though
[17:01] <Sysi> there might be some conf file containing settings you want to delete
[17:02] <Alan> holstein: arandr is completely useless it seems
[17:02] <Alan> or just unintuitive
[17:02] <Alan> oh, ok, i see now
[17:03] <Sysi> it's just GUI for xrandr
[17:04] <Alan> well that was my argument
[17:04] <Alan> here goes.
[17:05] <Alan> yup
[17:05] <Alan> same behaviour
[17:05] <Alan> something is being so smart it's stupid
[17:06] <Sysi> do you have gnome settings daemon running?
[17:07] <Alan> no
[17:08] <Alan> that's the first thing i checked
[17:08] <Alan> because i'd had a different but similar problem on another machine
[17:08] <Alan> also, wtf, how broken can this get...
[17:08] <Alan> i unchecked "use this monitor" and then checked it again.... and the monitor never came back on
[17:08] <Alan> and did the same with the other one...
[17:08] <Alan> and now i have black screens
[17:09] <Alan> what a pile of crap
[17:09] <knome> please watch your language
[17:09] <Alan> sorry
[17:09] <knome> thanks for understanding
[17:09] <Alan> i thought that was mild compared to what i'm feeling right now
[17:09] <knome> i understand, but we're trying hard to have a family-friendly channel :)
[17:10] <Alan> XFCE's multi-monitor support seems to have gone from being braindead to being just good enough to break everything
[17:10] <knome> no, the culprit is not xfce really
[17:11] <Sysi> I think it is
[17:12] <Alan> knome: what would you blame?
[17:12] <Sysi> because that probably happens if you open fluxbox-session from lightdm and then run startxfce4
[17:12] <knome> why would you run fluxbox-session if you want xfce?
[17:12] <Alan> the point is at some point in the session startup something else is happening to undo what xrandr did
[17:12] <Sysi> to check if xfce is culprit
[17:13] <knome> so far, i haven't had problems with dualhead in xfce, not with nvidia and not with ati
[17:13] <Alan> and that something is really stupid, because XFCE's own display management is half-assed
[17:13] <knome> and i don't think intel is any different
[17:13] <Alan> knome: how do you have it set up then?
[17:13] <Alan> i'd be interested to know
[17:14] <knome> well, i'm mostly using nvidia (and nvidia-settings in that case), but it has worked for me with ati by setting up the xrandr commands to autostart
[17:14] <Alan> on 11.10?
[17:14] <Sysi> Alan: you could try deleting all (xfce) settings, you need to do that when logged out
[17:14] <Alan> it works on 11.04
[17:15] <Alan> where do they hide?
[17:15] <Alan> all in ~/.config/xfce4?
[17:16] <Sysi> afaik
[17:16] <Alan> that didn't get rid of the startup stuff...
[17:18] <Alan> ok... so did i break something in the great big XFCE registry of doom then?
[17:18] <Alan> it's not trying to clone now
[17:18] <Alan> if i run the xrandr in startup
[17:22] <Alan> whoa... this is weird....
[17:22] <Alan> the clean config doesn't even have a "displays" section in the settings editor
[17:23] <Alan> but the other one did...
[17:23] <Alan> what the hell is even going on here...
[17:23] <Alan> ah
[17:23] <Alan> that'll be because i haven't used the display configuration dialog
[17:24] <Alan> i think i've isolated the problem...
[17:24] <Alan> bingo
[17:26] <Alan> my statements weren't far off
[17:26] <Alan> XFCE is just clever enough to shoot itself in the foot
[17:29] <Sysi> progress!
[17:30] <Alan> i'll pastebin my diagnosis
[17:30] <Alan> in a minute, when i've finished writing it
[18:01] <Alan> http://paste2.org/p/1853694
[18:01] <Alan> Sysi:
[18:05] <baizon> Alan: tried arandr?
[18:06] <holstein> im interested in how arandr failed and on what hardware... this has been a point of documentation for ubuntustudio and doing extended desktops on XFCE
[18:07] <holstein> we have tried with success so far on various ATI, nvidia and intel hardware
[18:13] <Sysi> Alan: it would be good if you could make official bug report
[18:23] <brad_> hey, just installed, have some questions :-)
[18:24] <brad_> first, how do i upgrade to the new stable firefox?
[18:24] <brad_> i added the stable ppa but it didnt work
[18:24] <Sysi> did you install LTS or 11.10?
[18:24] <brad_> 11 10
[18:25] <Sysi> it should have quite fresh firefox, you probably need to separately find and install from PPA
[18:27] <brad_> huh, let me update it and check what it installs.  i'll be back :-)
[18:27] <baizon> will be there a upgrade for firefox 8.0 -> 9.0?
[18:30] <holstein> baizon: if you add the PPA, you should be able to easily maintain the current stable
[18:30] <baizon> yes yes i know
[18:30] <baizon> just wondering will it be added to the official repos
[18:30] <holstein> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[18:31] <holstein> baizon: it shouldnt be... but it could be backported i suppose
[18:31] <baizon> ok
[18:31] <baizon> but no date yet?
[18:31] <holstein> for 9?
[18:31] <holstein> i mean, unless it gets backported, it wont happen AFAIK
[18:32] <baizon> hmm ok then
[18:33] <baizon> thx for the info :)
[18:34] <holstein> baizon: i could be mistaken.. i know FF is moving faster than it used to, and the naming is different.. but thats the way it was for the LTS for example
[18:35] <baizon> yes, firefox 10 will be a lts version
[18:35] <holstein> could be... depends on the timing i suppose
[18:42] <Sysi> firefox-lts like 3.6?
[18:48] <baizon> Sysi: yes
[18:49] <baizon> Sysi: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal
[19:02] <oscar> hello
[19:02] <oscar> any one here?
[19:03] <oscar> i need some help
[19:04] <baizon> whats your problem?
[19:04] <oscar> i just did a fresh install of xubuntu 11.10
[19:05] <oscar> an i have this weird flickering with the lights
[19:07] <oscar> hello?
[19:09] <oscar> hello
[19:11] <oscar> i need help with a back light problem
[19:15] <Marzata> back light?
[19:15] <Marzata> apple?
[19:16] <Sysi> you need to tell some details, about problem and your hardware
[19:52] <vooze> Hey, i have 2 problems... 1: its like "handicap" mode or somthing os set on, everything is really big, and touchscreen keyboard appears on login, how back i go back to "normal" 2: in my panel i cant see sessionsmenu even though its added.. i've tryed to delete and add without luck.. anyone could help with these problems?
[20:05] <mongy> is there a decent panel plugin to show memory used, either % or mb/gb is fine, anything except sysload plugin that is already there, its no good for me
[20:13] <mongy> thnk I'll go with Indicator-Sysmonitor.. only 5mb more than netspeed plugin.
[20:14] <holstein> conky is nice
[20:14] <baizon> i use conky
[20:14] <mongy> prefer not to have something on the scree.  would be hidden a lot
[20:14] <mongy> screen*
[20:15] <mongy> just want basic netspeed and mem info in the panel, this will do.
[21:14] <buskmann> Hi all.. Im trying to make a headless server out of my xubuntu 11.10 32bit installation. But i cant even get a vnc connection. I know i will have to get this working before i get started with the headless bit. Can someone help me with this pls?
[21:14] <Unit193> !vnc
[21:15] <Unit193> x11vnc is one you can install
[21:15] <Unit193> x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0    would work to start it, but I highly recommend SSH tunnel rather than opening it up to the world
[21:16] <Unit193> (That command doesn't use a Password to access!)
[21:16] <buskmann> thanx.. ill try that..
[21:23] <buskmann> ok.. im really new at this. SSH is only on a locale network? i havent got a nead for opening it to the world, so how can i set up a SSH tunnel? pls
[21:25] <buskmann> im gonna read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH first, and come back. tnx :)
[21:29] <Unit193> !ssh|shouldhelptoo
[21:29] <Unit193> Nice use of space...
[22:30] <xubuntu976> Hello I am just installing ubuntu again and i have to say that i LOVE that i can go on the web while ubuntu is installing.
[22:32] <Marzata> is this possible with apple or m$?