[00:00] ok, it seams to be fine now. sorry for bothering you. === go8765 is now known as go8765-off === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [04:55] hello [04:59] hi [05:01] howdy [05:01] hi [05:02] greetings [05:02] i like unity okay but ended up reinstalling to Xubuntu tonight [05:03] xfce just is way more customizable and i feel like i can be productive on here [05:03] unity feels like it's for novice computer users instead of power users [05:04] the workspace switcher on the taskbar works a lot better for me [05:04] anyway i'm hoping to be able to contribute something to the x/ubuntu community, signed up for a couple of the mailing lists [05:05] sounds great, WebGoddess008 :) [05:05] i'm in the same boat - tried unity for a couple weeks, then dumped it in favor of xubuntu [05:06] yeah it was just about two weeks even lol [05:06] i've been using debian on all of my webservers for years, and i like win7 but it just felt like it was time for me to move to linux officially [05:07] so now i don't have windows anymore except for imaging my old desktop and shoving it in virtualbox [05:07] which i only really did because i have tons of notes in onenote 2010 that need to get moved to tomboy or similar [05:07] Might be better off in #xubuntu-offtopic [05:08] oh ok, well i am gnu to the community just trying to get situated, i want to contribute on some level, signed up to the marketing list and stuff [05:08] Unit193: you're like the federal reserve - just as the party gets started, you take away the punch bowl :) [05:09] i think xubuntu is more marketable to the types of people i associate with than unity [05:10] nanotube: Problem ossifer? ;) [05:11] Unit193: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McChesney_Martin#Chairman_of_the_Federal_Reserve [05:12] the preview livecd for xubuntu is not as impressive as the one for unity, i think it could be improved, also the panel editor has some oddities like using the same icon for removing stuff from the panel as for adding a separator [05:13] WebGoddess008: yea i noticed that too, about the separator [05:13] wonder if there's a launchpad issue on that [05:15] yeah i haven't had time to set up launchpad but the more i look into the community the more interesting it is, been using ubuntu exclusively for about two weeks as primary o/s and i'm using the computer for up to 12 hours a day lol [05:16] * nanotube 's been with ubuntu since 2005 or so [05:16] i used to be a software engineer so i've done enough development work to notice stuff from that angle [05:17] well i've been with debian server-side forever and it seems like ubuntu is the GUI side of debian so that is why i chose it over debian [05:17] i know ubuntu has serverside stuff too but i've not had time to explore that [05:17] i don't mind hacking config files to set up a webserver === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [08:32] Hello, quick question! Can xubuntu run on a pentium 3 650Mhz 256mb ram and 8mb video? thanks! [08:35] I think yes Exia00 [08:36] Exia00: should be no problem. [08:37] Exia00: but you might go for fluxbox for better performance. [08:39] thanks lighta and marzata! will check both and see what happens! [08:40] Errrr... I wouldn't recommend Xubuntu for that... [08:41] Unit193: ? [08:43] you might have trouble with old network cards and soundlbasters [08:45] Mind you that I can't find anything that *officially* says that it won't work, but.... [10:21] hey guys I have a route probleme can someone help me with that ? I don't understand how they come back... [10:33] Is anybody else using dual monitors on intel graphics on xubuntu 11.10? I'm finding it really difficult to persist the monitor layout [10:33] I did the "obvious" thing and put an xrandr command into my startup, however after it applies something else fights with it and puts it back to cloned mode [10:33] and i haven't even enabled gnome-settings-daemon yet.... [11:30] Also, did backports become selected by default in 11.10? [12:45] hi [12:45] tell me about xubuntu [12:45] xubuntu is awesome [12:45] what cant I do [12:46] with? [12:46] I'd say coffee but I think you can [12:46] i see it uses xfce. i switched to xfce on ubuntu and the fonts are more difficult to read for xchat. [12:47] is it more stable? [12:48] can I used alternative keyboard layouts like like for Hindi? [12:48] can I install LibreOffice? [12:48] makara: yes [12:48] makara: Xchat is very stable, but irssi is best. [12:48] xubuntu differentiates about xfce on ubuntu just by default settings and set of applications [12:49] you can change antialiasing settings (for font) in appearance settings [12:50] you can lose your window borders if you get corrupted saved session but that's easy to fix (or avoid) [12:50] otherly should be really stable [12:51] okey dokey. changed sub-pixel and hinting and its much better [12:51] it feels snappy like Ubuntu 10.04 again [12:52] xfce is more stable than gnome2 [12:55] with gnome 2 and compizconfig-settings-manager I could set keyboard shortcuts to place a window in the top right of the screen. Can XFCE do that? [12:56] see window manager settings -> keyboard, possibly wmctrl, and compiz works fine with xfce [13:11] Hi, i recently installed tight vnc server on my PC and after reboot serveral changes were made. I got 2 more workspaces, window decoration options were changes and 2 panels' backround went to solid color (were transparent previously). I managed to set things back but i cannot change panels' background to transparent any more. Any idea how to fix this? [13:17] irssi has no gui? [13:18] can I set a keyboard shortcut to open the terminal - ctrl-alt-T, like in Ubuntu [13:18] my grid plugin shortcuts are not working to put windows into the corner of the screen, along the bottom etc [13:20] can I use two displays and have them not mirror each other? [13:21] makara: command xfce4-terminal in keyboard settings -> hotkeys [13:21] sebapawlak89: you changed from xubuntu session to xfce session? [13:22] Sysi: well i tried both [13:22] setting the background on the laptop changes the background on my plugged in flatscreen [13:22] sebapawlak89: you need to enable compositing in window manager tweaks to get transparent panel [13:22] makara: use arandr [13:23] Sysi: Do i change it just in settings menu? [13:23] yes [13:25] Sysi: i dont see xfce4-terminal, but then maybe its because I have xfce on ubuntu, not xubuntu [13:26] makara: I mean add it [13:27] Sysi: it works [13:27] I know, I just told you to do it [13:28] easy there [13:28] i appreciate your help [13:28] :P [13:33] sebapawlak89: vino works fine as vnc server [13:43] Marzata: tbh i couldnt connect, tight vnc worked perfectly. another thing u cannot configure vino via console :( [13:44] sebapawlak89: can you configure tight vnc via console? [13:44] Marzata: well yeah. nano its config file [13:47] sebapawlak89: can't you do the same with vino? [13:49] well not from windows machine [13:49] via putty [13:49] only way to configure it via console remotely is to use x streaming [13:50] use whatever works for you [13:51] i just couldnt find vino config file so i chose tight vnc :) [13:51] it's gnome app, it probable saves settings in gconf [14:16] Making a bootable usb stick: So far I've verified sum, tried different sticks, tried working the iso with 'start up disk creator' and 'UNetbootin', and tried different usb slots on the laptop. And each time I get the same error message. [14:18] would help much if you also told what the error message was [15:20] where should i place .otf fonts to install them ? === go8765 is now known as go8765-off [15:29] hello [15:30] I am having a problem with the permissions on my flash drive [15:30] currently, it is read only [15:30] so I went into the root user, which owns it, and tried to change permissions from there [15:30] but it just kept changing them back to read only [15:30] after that, I tried some terminal commands: [15:31] sudo chown -R USERNAME:USERNAME /media/mynewdrive [15:31] and sudo chgrp plugdev /media/mynewdrive [15:31] sudo chmod g+w /media/mynewdrive [15:31] sudo chmod +t /media/mynewdrive [15:31] changing the relevent bits [15:31] but it keeps refusing me! [15:34] qpnaosc, chown? [15:38] knome, yes? [15:38] knome - yes? [15:41] what about it? === go8765-off is now known as go8765 === go8765 is now known as go8765-off === Pieman is now known as Paimun === Paimun is now known as Guest48475 [16:42] has anybody had any luck with multiple monitors in xubuntu 11.10? [16:42] something keeps fighting my xrandr command and setting the displays back to the wrong thing... [16:43] Alan: i like arandr [16:44] holstein: doesn't look like that will help me with a "persistent" xrandr setup though... it can generate scripts that i can tell the session to autorun, but that still leaves me where i am right now [16:44] i.e. the xrandr commands get called then something else comes along and screws it all up again [16:44] Alan: have you tried it? [16:45] i am proposing it for ubuntustudio, and if you have time to test and confirm, that would be great.. installing it doesnt take long at all [16:53] studio runs xfce? [16:54] it does === Guest48475 is now known as Paimun [16:57] (xfce4-settings-helper:20741): xfce4-settings-helper-WARNING **: Failed to c onfigure HDMI2. [16:58] did studio switch to XFCE when main Ubuntu stopped with gnome2? [16:58] no real idea I'm afraid - I was just looking around [16:59] Alan: what graphics driver are you using? [16:59] intel [17:00] all i need to do is "xrandr --output HDMI1 --right-of HDMI2" [17:00] that's it [17:00] but if i do that in my session startup, XFCE craps itself and sets me back to cloned mode [17:00] if i do it once my session is up and running, it works fine [17:01] you should maybe ask at #xfce [17:01] I've heard similar problem mentioned there couple of times, can rememebr solution though [17:01] there might be some conf file containing settings you want to delete [17:02] holstein: arandr is completely useless it seems [17:02] or just unintuitive [17:02] oh, ok, i see now [17:03] it's just GUI for xrandr [17:04] well that was my argument [17:04] here goes. [17:05] yup [17:05] same behaviour [17:05] something is being so smart it's stupid [17:06] do you have gnome settings daemon running? [17:07] no [17:08] that's the first thing i checked [17:08] because i'd had a different but similar problem on another machine [17:08] also, wtf, how broken can this get... [17:08] i unchecked "use this monitor" and then checked it again.... and the monitor never came back on [17:08] and did the same with the other one... [17:08] and now i have black screens [17:09] what a pile of crap [17:09] please watch your language [17:09] sorry [17:09] thanks for understanding [17:09] i thought that was mild compared to what i'm feeling right now [17:09] i understand, but we're trying hard to have a family-friendly channel :) [17:10] XFCE's multi-monitor support seems to have gone from being braindead to being just good enough to break everything [17:10] no, the culprit is not xfce really [17:11] I think it is [17:12] knome: what would you blame? [17:12] because that probably happens if you open fluxbox-session from lightdm and then run startxfce4 [17:12] why would you run fluxbox-session if you want xfce? [17:12] the point is at some point in the session startup something else is happening to undo what xrandr did [17:12] to check if xfce is culprit [17:13] so far, i haven't had problems with dualhead in xfce, not with nvidia and not with ati [17:13] and that something is really stupid, because XFCE's own display management is half-assed [17:13] and i don't think intel is any different [17:13] knome: how do you have it set up then? [17:13] i'd be interested to know [17:14] well, i'm mostly using nvidia (and nvidia-settings in that case), but it has worked for me with ati by setting up the xrandr commands to autostart [17:14] on 11.10? [17:14] Alan: you could try deleting all (xfce) settings, you need to do that when logged out [17:14] it works on 11.04 [17:15] where do they hide? [17:15] all in ~/.config/xfce4? [17:16] afaik [17:16] that didn't get rid of the startup stuff... [17:18] ok... so did i break something in the great big XFCE registry of doom then? [17:18] it's not trying to clone now [17:18] if i run the xrandr in startup [17:22] whoa... this is weird.... [17:22] the clean config doesn't even have a "displays" section in the settings editor [17:23] but the other one did... [17:23] what the hell is even going on here... [17:23] ah [17:23] that'll be because i haven't used the display configuration dialog [17:24] i think i've isolated the problem... [17:24] bingo [17:26] my statements weren't far off [17:26] XFCE is just clever enough to shoot itself in the foot [17:29] progress! [17:30] i'll pastebin my diagnosis [17:30] in a minute, when i've finished writing it [18:01] http://paste2.org/p/1853694 [18:01] Sysi: [18:05] Alan: tried arandr? [18:06] im interested in how arandr failed and on what hardware... this has been a point of documentation for ubuntustudio and doing extended desktops on XFCE [18:07] we have tried with success so far on various ATI, nvidia and intel hardware [18:13] Alan: it would be good if you could make official bug report [18:23] hey, just installed, have some questions :-) [18:24] first, how do i upgrade to the new stable firefox? [18:24] i added the stable ppa but it didnt work [18:24] did you install LTS or 11.10? [18:24] 11 10 [18:25] it should have quite fresh firefox, you probably need to separately find and install from PPA [18:27] huh, let me update it and check what it installs. i'll be back :-) [18:27] will be there a upgrade for firefox 8.0 -> 9.0? [18:30] baizon: if you add the PPA, you should be able to easily maintain the current stable [18:30] yes yes i know [18:30] just wondering will it be added to the official repos [18:30] https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable [18:31] baizon: it shouldnt be... but it could be backported i suppose [18:31] ok [18:31] but no date yet? [18:31] for 9? [18:31] i mean, unless it gets backported, it wont happen AFAIK [18:32] hmm ok then [18:33] thx for the info :) [18:34] baizon: i could be mistaken.. i know FF is moving faster than it used to, and the naming is different.. but thats the way it was for the LTS for example [18:35] yes, firefox 10 will be a lts version [18:35] could be... depends on the timing i suppose [18:42] firefox-lts like 3.6? [18:48] Sysi: yes [18:49] Sysi: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise/Firefox/ExtendedSupport:Proposal [19:02] hello [19:02] any one here? [19:03] i need some help [19:04] whats your problem? [19:04] i just did a fresh install of xubuntu 11.10 [19:05] an i have this weird flickering with the lights [19:07] hello? [19:09] hello [19:11] i need help with a back light problem [19:15] back light? [19:15] apple? [19:16] you need to tell some details, about problem and your hardware [19:52] Hey, i have 2 problems... 1: its like "handicap" mode or somthing os set on, everything is really big, and touchscreen keyboard appears on login, how back i go back to "normal" 2: in my panel i cant see sessionsmenu even though its added.. i've tryed to delete and add without luck.. anyone could help with these problems? [20:05] is there a decent panel plugin to show memory used, either % or mb/gb is fine, anything except sysload plugin that is already there, its no good for me [20:13] thnk I'll go with Indicator-Sysmonitor.. only 5mb more than netspeed plugin. [20:14] conky is nice [20:14] i use conky [20:14] prefer not to have something on the scree. would be hidden a lot [20:14] screen* [20:15] just want basic netspeed and mem info in the panel, this will do. [21:14] Hi all.. Im trying to make a headless server out of my xubuntu 11.10 32bit installation. But i cant even get a vnc connection. I know i will have to get this working before i get started with the headless bit. Can someone help me with this pls? [21:14] !vnc [21:14] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [21:15] x11vnc is one you can install [21:15] x11vnc -safer -forever -display :0 would work to start it, but I highly recommend SSH tunnel rather than opening it up to the world [21:16] (That command doesn't use a Password to access!) [21:16] thanx.. ill try that.. [21:23] ok.. im really new at this. SSH is only on a locale network? i havent got a nead for opening it to the world, so how can i set up a SSH tunnel? pls [21:25] im gonna read the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH first, and come back. tnx :) [21:29] !ssh|shouldhelptoo [21:29] shouldhelptoo: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon) [21:29] Nice use of space... === go8765-off is now known as go8765 [22:30] Hello I am just installing ubuntu again and i have to say that i LOVE that i can go on the web while ubuntu is installing. [22:32] is this possible with apple or m$?