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| mpt | mhall119, absolutely a scope should depend on its lens, otherwise you could install it when it couldn't do anything | 08:34 |
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| mpt | mhall119, if there's a policy that prohibits that, the policy is wrong. | 08:34 |
| mpt | mhall119, but it *also* should be marked as Enhances, so that it shows up as an add-on. | 08:35 |
| davidcalle | mpt, agreed. I've checked and scopes/lenses can have an exception on this policy. | 08:36 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: hey, which exception? | 08:42 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, packages in extras being interdependent. | 08:43 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: you mean, the lens depending on the scope and the scope depends on the lens? | 08:43 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, the policy is: no package can't depend on a .extras package. | 08:44 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: hum, why is it in the extra section? they should be in the optional one AFAIK | 08:45 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, and yes, scopes dependency on lens and lens dependency on scope, as some lenses are just empty structures for scopes. | 08:45 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: so, the inter dependency can't be done | 08:46 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, because it's the only way to have some of them for Oneiric, I believe. | 08:46 |
| didrocks | davidcalle: what I would suggest, if you still want to have the scope as separate source, is to have: | 08:46 |
| didrocks | scope depends on lens | 08:46 |
| didrocks | lens recommends scope | 08:46 |
| didrocks | that's what I do for instance, between gnome-panel and the session package | 08:47 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, that's what I'm currently doing, lens recommends scope. | 08:47 |
| davidcalle | didrocks, so if it's the good way to do it, then it's great. | 08:47 |
| didrocks | ah, this is ok, it's not a depends :) | 08:47 |
| didrocks | yeah, apt knows how to deal with that :) | 08:48 |
| didrocks | and as we install recommends by default… | 08:48 |
| mpt | davidcalle, there shouldn't be an exception for scopes and lenses either. I should be able to provide an extension for Epiphany or a campaign for Battle of Wesnoth the same way. | 09:12 |
| davidcalle | mpt, if you provide an extension, the Epiphany package won't depend on it. The extension will enhance it. The policy is about having packages depending on .extras packages. | 09:13 |
| mpt | davidcalle, the scope depends on the lens, not the other way around | 09:14 |
| mpt | There's no need to have a policy for something that an independent developer can't change anyway. :-) | 09:14 |
| davidcalle | mpt, yes but lenses can be empty shells that needs a scope to work. That's why lenses recommends some scopes. | 09:15 |
| davidcalle | I'm not saying the policy is right :) | 09:15 |
| mpt | davidcalle, so, why does it need an exception then? | 09:16 |
| davidcalle | mpt, in case you apt-get a scope. | 09:16 |
| mpt | davidcalle, that doesn't need an exception. It's already covered under 1.3. | 09:17 |
| davidcalle | mpt 1.3. ? | 09:17 |
| mpt | "1.3 The package may only depend on other packages that are present in ... the same extension repository." | 09:17 |
| mpt | hmm, it's misleading when elided :-) | 09:18 |
| mpt | "1.3 The package may only depend on other packages that are present in Main, Universe, Restricted, Multiverse, or in the same extension repository." | 09:18 |
| mpt | So, the scope would depend on the lens in the same extension repository. | 09:18 |
| davidcalle | mpt, are you sure it works this way in extras? I remember reading something about no dependencies allowed between extras packages. | 09:20 |
| mpt | davidcalle, if that policy isn't for extras, I don't know what it's for. But if you do find what you read, please let me know so I can get it deleted | 09:21 |
| davidcalle | mpt, I will look for it. | 09:23 |
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| bernie | i was wondering if the notification bubbles in unity are really supposed to become shallow when you hover on them | 15:23 |
| bernie | there's no obvious way to get rid of them | 15:23 |
| bernie | is this by design? | 15:23 |
| mhall119 | bernie: yes, they are supposed to be non-interactive | 15:27 |
| mhall119 | they go transparent when you hover over them so that they don't block any UI elements under them | 15:27 |
| bernie | mhall119: yeah, i can click through them | 15:28 |
| mhall119 | and they will go away on their own without requiring any action on yur part | 15:28 |
| bernie | is there a way to switch to classic notification bubbles? | 15:28 |
| mhall119 | not that I know of | 15:28 |
| mhall119 | is there something specific you don't like about the new style, or a functionality you feel is missing? | 15:28 |
| bernie | mhall119: i find it somewhat annoying that i can't dismiss the overlay immediately... I even thought it was some sort of compiz bug | 15:31 |
| mhall119 | bernie: that's because you're used to notifications demanding your attention | 15:32 |
| mhall119 | if you use it for a little while, you wil adjust to thinking of them as more passive, something you can glance at and then get back to whatever you were doing | 15:33 |
| mhall119 | they become less annoying once you learn to stop worrying about them | 15:33 |
| bernie | mhall119: ok, makes sense | 15:33 |
| mhall119 | it took me about a month to get to that point | 15:33 |
| bernie | mhall119: i'm a gnome-shell refugee :) | 15:34 |
| mhall119 | welcome to Unity ") | 15:34 |
| mhall119 | :) | 15:34 |
| bernie | mhall119: i like unity much better, except for a few annoyances | 15:34 |
| mhall119 | well this is the place to talk about those | 15:34 |
| bernie | mhall119: the #1 issue i have is that windows get reshuffled on different virtual desktops when reslution changes (like, plugging an external monitor) | 15:36 |
| bernie | others are probably not bugs, but different design choices that i need to get used to | 15:37 |
| mhall119 | bernie: ah, multi-monitor support has been given a lot of attention this cycle | 15:38 |
| mhall119 | so that should be improving | 15:38 |
| bernie | mhall119: i'm tracking precise on my old laptop. | 15:38 |
| bernie | mhall119: are there plans to restore session save/restore support in a future version of unity? | 15:39 |
| mhall119 | that I don't know | 15:39 |
| bernie | mhall119: i understand it was dropped because gnome3 also doesn't support it | 15:39 |
| mhall119 | in my experience, session save/restore never worked that well, even in Gnome2 | 15:39 |
| mhall119 | ah, if gnome3 doesn't provide it, it would take a lot of work to add it in Ubuntu | 15:40 |
| bernie | mhall119: yes, it didn't. mostly due to several applications that don't honor the XSM protocol. (like chromium and xchat for example) | 15:40 |
| bernie | mhall119: here's another one: in the gtk3 transition, we've lost the indicator for changing the screen resolution. is it coming back? | 15:58 |
| bernie | mhall119: and we're also missing a virtual desktop indicator. i found indicator-workspaces in launchpad, but it seems unmaintained. | 15:59 |
| snadge | is a focussed window supposed to look different from an unfocussed window? | 16:23 |
| mhall119 | bernie: a virtual desktop indicator? There's the workspace switcher in the launcher, and super+s shortcut | 16:32 |
| mhall119 | snadge: differentin what way? | 16:33 |
| jasox | mhall119, i think that snadge means on shadows and close, min, max buttons. | 16:35 |
| mhall119 | oh, then yes | 16:38 |
| snadge | window focussing isnt working.. or at least.. visual indication of | 16:40 |
| snadge | for example.. this window im using irc in.. is shadowed | 16:40 |
| snadge | even though it has focus.. could be a ccsm setting maybe? | 16:40 |
| snadge | also.. im running 12.04 ;) | 16:40 |
| snadge | just built a new bulldozer 8150 system | 16:41 |
| snadge | and 12.04 comes with kernel 3.2 .. which is probably better for that | 16:41 |
| jasox | What do you think guys on my proposal on changing alt-tab switcher size ? | 16:45 |
| jasox | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/909180 | 16:45 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 909180 in unity "Ideal size for alt+tab switcher in unity" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 16:45 |
| jasox | I was thinking to make ppa something like unity compact, that will have smaller alt-tab switcher, smaller top panel size, window title bar, borderless ... | 16:46 |
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| snadge | about to try building android 4 on 12.04 :p | 17:08 |
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| mterry_ | Heyo! The google doc link is broken in the recent design blog post about the precise control center | 18:01 |
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