| Riddell | oh is kde-base-artwork-4.7.97.tar.bz2 new? | 00:16 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | yes it is | 00:16 |
| Riddell | failed to notice that | 00:17 |
| Riddell | guess I'll give up and finish it tomorrow | 00:17 |
| jussi | have we packaged the oxygen font yet? | 00:26 |
| yofel | wth is kde-base-artwork o.O? | 00:30 |
| yofel | great, ksplash stuff | 00:33 |
| yofel | $ ls kde-base-artwork-4.7.97/ksplashx-themes/default/ | 00:33 |
| yofel | 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 1920x1080 1920x1200 600x400 800x600 CMakeLists.txt Preview.png Theme.rc | 00:33 |
| BarkingFish | Morning guys, how do I find out who is responsible for packaging thunderbird for us? | 00:39 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: the mozilla folks -> #ubuntu-mozillateam | 00:39 |
| BarkingFish | great, cheers yofel | 00:39 |
| yofel | BarkingFish: in general it's the maintainer of the package (for ubuntu developers or MOTU you'll have to check who does the packaging in the changelog) | 00:41 |
| micahg | BarkingFish: re thunderbird> that's chrisccoulson with me assisting (very little these days) | 00:41 |
| BarkingFish | ok, no prob. I'm just looking to see what version of thunderbird I got updated to | 00:42 |
| yofel | apt-cache policy thunderbird will tell you that ^^ | 00:42 |
| BarkingFish | yofel - which is our default package manager? I always thought it was apper, which took over from kpackagekit. | 01:02 |
| yofel | no, default is muon | 01:02 |
| yofel | muon-installer to be precise | 01:02 |
| BarkingFish | 0.0 | 01:03 |
| BarkingFish | oh well, I guess not everything can be perfect :P | 01:03 |
| BarkingFish | lol | 01:03 |
| yofel | well, it's still not perfect, but I'm happy I have packagekit gone from my system | 01:04 |
| BarkingFish | i'm happy to have something I can use :) muon is a pain in the [censored] :) | 01:04 |
| yofel | talk to jonathan - works for me | 01:05 |
| yofel | then again, I'm an apt guy, so rarely use it | 01:05 |
| BarkingFish | it works for me too, i just find apper much much easier, since I'm used to kpackagekit from when I joined kubuntu back in may/june of last year | 01:06 |
| Riddell | this kde-base-artwork module is nuts, why has no other packager complained about it "oh it compiles, not licenced and all files overlap" | 12:25 |
| Riddell | grumpy e-mail about kde-base-artwork sent to release-team | 12:34 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: your grumpyness is well hidden in that from my POV (: | 12:44 |
| Riddell | git clone kde:oxygen-fonts; mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/* ~/.fonts | 12:52 |
| Riddell | first look | 12:52 |
| Riddell | of course they haven't bothered to put the licence as I requested, sigh | 12:53 |
| Riddell | seems less distinct than the ubuntu font | 12:53 |
| Riddell | hmm something weird happened to my konsole font, lower quality for no reason | 12:55 |
| Tm_T | cannot reproduce | 13:10 |
| Tm_T | oxygen monospace does seem to be bit less readable than liberation mono or dejavu mono on small font sizes (under 5-8px) | 13:18 |
| who_me | why o' why does KDE need to use 8px sized fonts when being used on a classic 96dpi display ? | 13:27 |
| Tm_T | who_me: I use 6-7 px fonts quite typically | 13:31 |
| Tm_T | who_me: what's wrong with 8px? | 13:32 |
| who_me | since my display is like 19" I find myself squinting like mr. magoo | 13:34 |
| who_me | I always set them to size begingin with 10px | 13:34 |
| Tm_T | who_me: ah, I don't have that problem | 13:36 |
| Tm_T | who_me: you find kubuntu default font size problematic, you're saying? (I cannot remember what the default is) | 13:40 |
| who_me | well, I do, clearly I am in the minority using a small display. I think this is a KDE thing though, because I saw the same thing on OpenSuSE kde spin | 13:41 |
| who_me | KDE devs sure love them small fonts :) | 13:41 |
| Tm_T | hmm | 13:42 |
| Riddell | who_me: activeFont=Ubuntu,9 says /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals | 13:54 |
| Riddell | but what the ends up as depends entirely on your dpi and physical monitor size | 13:55 |
| Riddell | it's nothing to do with KDE | 13:55 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: isn't it dpi alone? | 14:20 |
| Tm_T | which in turn comes from screen size in pixels and inches | 14:20 |
| Riddell | depends if X decides to use a fixed dpi or not | 14:24 |
| Tm_T | true | 14:24 |
| Tm_T | I guess the current readability difference between other fonts and oxygen fonts is about hand-made optimization on small sizes | 14:28 |
| who_me | :) X should be smarter, or the DE should. I tend to switch from my work-horse ubuntu 10.04 (with gnome) to my testing, bug-hunting Kubuntu 11.10 install. Unless I initially tweak font sizes on KDE my eyes tend to hurt... guess it is a thing of "Im used to this" :) | 14:29 |
| who_me | Font sizes on kubuntu installer are awesome. Fonts look very good. Drop into the desktop after install and there is quite a diff. | 14:30 |
| who_me | luckily, if I replicate the setting in gnome (font size, font rendring mode - subpixel with RGB slight hinting, it gets good) | 14:31 |
| Tm_T | who_me: yup, unfortunately defaults cannot be good for everyone and every set of hardware /: | 14:33 |
| Tm_T | I have to drop the font size quite soon on any system | 14:34 |
| who_me | what display are you using ? | 14:35 |
| Tm_T | dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (444x277 millimeters) | 14:39 |
| Tm_T | resolution: 96x96 dots per inch | 14:39 |
| Tm_T | 19" then | 14:39 |
| Tm_T | same with somewhat higher dpi though | 14:40 |
| who_me | mine is a 19" but can only do 1440x900 | 14:41 |
| Tm_T | ...so in that I would use even less pixels per letter (: | 14:42 |
| mikecb | does aa settings make any difference? | 14:47 |
| Riddell | yes, but I expect my command above copying everything to .fonts breaks something | 14:52 |
| Riddell | best just to copy the .ttf file | 14:52 |
| Riddell | files | 14:52 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 16:12 |
| _Groo_ | question, who is JR in the ninjas ppa? | 16:12 |
| Riddell | moi | 16:12 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: hi :) | 16:12 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: ark is broken, but you are prolly aware of that by now :) | 16:13 |
| Riddell | in what distro version? | 16:13 |
| _Groo_ | oneiric | 16:13 |
| _Groo_ | doesnt compiled | 16:13 |
| _Groo_ | didnt | 16:13 |
| _Groo_ | s/doesnt/didnt | 16:13 |
| _Groo_ | kdebaseapps too | 16:14 |
| Riddell | ark seems to need pkg-config | 16:14 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: also do you want me to upload gtk3-oxygen to my ppa for testing? | 16:14 |
| _Groo_ | yofel_: ping | 16:15 |
| Riddell | kde-baseapps just a rebuild | 16:16 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: sure | 16:16 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: k im gonna upload it tomorrow | 16:17 |
| Riddell | although I can't guarantee when to look at it, my todo is scarily long | 16:17 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: if everything compiles file im gonna move it to ninjas, i think i have upload rights there | 16:17 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: in any case ill ping you | 16:17 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: is secrets working in rc2? or still not compiled? | 16:18 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: ninjas is for secret packages, put the gtk stuff somewhere public | 16:21 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: k, my ppa wil do then :) | 16:22 |
| Riddell | I've not touched secrets | 16:22 |
| mikecb | anyone know what happened to flash plugin? | 16:23 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: kdenetwork flopped too... | 16:26 |
| Riddell | mikecb: flashplugin-installer? | 16:27 |
| mikecb | yeah, uninstalled itself just now, lacking nspluginwrapper | 16:29 |
| * shadeslayer gets packaging | 16:29 | |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: packaging what? | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | KDE 4.5.95? | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | or is it 97 | 16:30 |
| mikecb | 97 | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | awesome ... | 16:30 |
| mikecb | flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader (>= 11.0.1.152ubuntu1) Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not going to be installed | 16:31 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it's all done | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | then the wiki is outdated ... | 16:32 |
| shadeslayer | "ALL DONE BY JONATHAN AND BAMBEE " shouldn't that be at the top or something ? :P | 16:33 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: of course there's the qt-at-spi release if you are looking for bits to package | 16:34 |
| shadeslayer | okay, will have a look at that then | 16:34 |
| Riddell | new cmake too | 16:34 |
| Riddell | first scribus qt 4 release I hear | 16:34 |
| Riddell | checking over fabo's networkmanagement and uploading | 16:35 |
| Riddell | and that's only a small sample of my todo list :) | 16:35 |
| micahg | mikecb: which release are you on? | 16:35 |
| mikecb | 97 | 16:35 |
| micahg | mikecb: no, I meant Ubuntu release | 16:35 |
| mikecb | 12.04 + ninjas repo | 16:36 |
| micahg | mikecb: I assume on amd64? | 16:36 |
| mikecb | yep | 16:36 |
| micahg | what does apt-cache policy flashplugin-downloader show? | 16:37 |
| mikecb | http://pastebin.com/cs778AVV | 16:38 |
| micahg | weird | 16:39 |
| micahg | mikecb: can you add -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true to the apt-get command line and pastebin the output? | 16:39 |
| mikecb | yah, muon is holding a whole bunch of things back, and a[t-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and bunch of other stuff | 16:40 |
| mikecb | sure, would that be apt-get -d blahblah? | 16:40 |
| micahg | no, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install flashplugin-installer | 16:40 |
| mikecb | http://pastebin.com/UBPDHj83 | 16:42 |
| micahg | ah, ok, just GTK arch skew | 16:44 |
| micahg | this is common in the dev releases | 16:44 |
| mikecb | kk | 16:45 |
| yofel_ | _Groo_: haven't touched ksecrets again, I can update it for 4.7.97, but you'll have to do the AFAIK neccessary rebuild of kdelibs using it yourself | 16:55 |
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| CIA-48 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 2 * (27 files in 4 dirs) fix layout | 16:57 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: acutallty i was gpoing to warn you my tomahawk membership is about to expire | 17:02 |
| yofel | oops, looking | 17:02 |
| yofel | _Groo_: changed to never expire | 17:03 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ahah :D | 17:03 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: tks ^^ | 17:04 |
| yofel | _Groo_: ksecrets 4.7.97 uploaded to ninjas for precise, have fun with it | 17:06 |
| yofel | tell me once you find out how to use it | 17:06 |
| yofel | ... properly | 17:06 |
| CIA-48 | [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control) update for 4.7.97 | 17:07 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: ahah ok | 17:07 |
| yofel | btw. unless someone has another idea - I would be for putting that into the experimental PPA together with a kdelibs rebuild for 4.8 final. Objections? | 17:08 |
| Riddell | hi shadeslayer | 17:10 |
| Riddell | tsk | 17:10 |
| Riddell | hi soee | 17:10 |
| soee | hi Riddell | 17:10 |
| Riddell | yofel: go for it | 17:10 |
| yofel | k | 17:11 |
| Riddell | soee: running oneiric or precise? | 17:11 |
| soee | Riddell, oneiric | 17:11 |
| Riddell | soee: we're very close to needing it tested for oneiric | 17:12 |
| soee | Riddell, sure i can test | 17:12 |
| shadeslayer | does ubottu not support precise yet? | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | !find qdbusvirtualobject.h precise | 17:14 |
| ubottu | precise is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable | 17:14 |
| yofel | jussi: ^ | 17:14 |
| shadeslayer | and any idea where qdbusvirtualobject.h resides? Can't find it anywhere | 17:17 |
| yofel | nowhere from what I see | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | fregl: qt-at-spi needs qdbusvirtualobject.h and I can't seem to find it anywhere | 17:18 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: seems like it's in qt 4.8 | 17:19 |
| yofel | looking at qt git | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | derp, cannot package qt-at-spi then | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | "Dependencies: Qt 4.8" ... should have read that before :/ | 17:19 |
| Riddell | oh sorry | 17:20 |
| Riddell | 4.8 is probably ready to go in bzr | 17:20 |
| Riddell | needs checking over and testing and uploading | 17:20 |
| fabo | Riddell: I've done some cleanup, should be ready to go soon. looking at the patches atm | 17:22 |
| fabo | the 3 disabled patches exactly | 17:24 |
| schnelle | anyone who packages qt 4.8 please patch it with this patch if it is possible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733 | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 911733 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Patch Qt to fix annoying KDE bug 275469 (ghost taskbar entries)" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:32 |
| schnelle | I am sorry if I bother you with this from time to time in this channel | 17:32 |
| schnelle | but this bug is very annoying for me and a lot of others | 17:32 |
| Riddell | schnelle: still got it on my todo :) | 17:33 |
| Riddell | maybe fabo will get there first | 17:33 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: will kde 4.8 ship with qt 4.8 for oneiric? | 17:35 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: your question doesn't make much sense | 17:35 |
| yofel | _Groo_: is there a reason why it should use 4.8? | 17:35 |
| yofel | if not: No | 17:35 |
| Riddell | will qt 4.8 be backported to oneiric? maybe if there's demand, dunno where it will go | 17:36 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: Riddell: k, i was just curious | 17:36 |
| _Groo_ | to me personally its because it adds the feature to put menus in the statusbar (not to be confused with the menubar on top) | 17:37 |
| _Groo_ | sorry, not statusbar | 17:37 |
| _Groo_ | windows border i mean | 17:37 |
| _Groo_ | dont know where i took that statusbar from :D | 17:37 |
| yofel | kwin allows that? | 17:38 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: yeah | 17:38 |
| yofel | ah | 17:38 |
| _Groo_ | they upstreamed 2 patches | 17:38 |
| fregl | shadeslayer: Qt 4.8 | 17:38 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: one is the kubuntu one , with the menu in a separate bar (aka ubuntu) | 17:38 |
| Riddell | those patches come from our qt patches | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | fregl: thanks :) | 17:39 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: the other is the ability to configure it to put the menu in the windows title border | 17:39 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: the first yes... its the kubuntu one | 17:39 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: the second i dont know | 17:39 |
| Riddell | that'll be mgraesslin's doing I guess, his ears must have been burning :) | 17:43 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: kdenetwork bbroke again :P | 17:43 |
| yofel | _Groo_: what broke? | 17:43 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: kdenetwork build in ninjas for oneiric | 17:43 |
| yofel | ah | 17:44 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: :) | 17:44 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: relax :D | 17:44 |
| Riddell | 4:4.7.95+5.71~pre15ubuntu8~ppa2~oneiric1 ! >= wanted 4:4.7.97 | 17:44 |
| Riddell | oh needs meta-kde upload | 17:44 |
| Riddell | fine | 17:44 |
| soee | :) | 17:49 |
| yofel | Riddell: btw. I noticed that you're not chaning the version of kde-sc-dev-latest anymore in the packages. Intentionally? or just forgot about it? | 17:53 |
| Riddell | yofel: mostly lazyness, it only needs doing when there are ABI changes and I don't think this one has any | 17:54 |
| Riddell | although I do change it for the final upload | 17:54 |
| yofel | ah, ok | 17:54 |
| jussi | yofel: annoy tsimpson about that ;) | 18:14 |
| soee | Riddell, rc2 ready for test today ? | 19:30 |
| Riddell | soee: just done! | 19:33 |
| Riddell | (the compiling) | 19:33 |
| Riddell | soee: add that; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 19:34 |
| soee | Riddell, what ppa ? | 19:39 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: one still broken, kdepim-groupware: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 is to be installed. | 19:55 |
| yofel | _Groo_: that was removed | 19:59 |
| soee | yofel, this 2 packages are going to be removed when upgrading from rc1 to rc2: kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards | 20:01 |
| soee | is it ok ? | 20:01 |
| yofel | yes | 20:02 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: but its being asked when upgrading | 20:04 |
| yofel | really? dist-upgrade here simply removed them | 20:04 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: gonna try with it... its aptitude thats crying | 20:04 |
| _Groo_ | yofel: btw whos the muon developer again? i always forget (shame) | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | Jontheechidna | 20:05 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: ah yes | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | who isn't online right now ... probably playing on steam :P | 20:05 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: ahah | 20:05 |
| yofel | or playing MC | 20:05 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: i want to ask him to add proxy support to muon | 20:06 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: it will respect the bash proxy settings if i run it from console | 20:06 |
| _Groo_ | shadeslayer: but it should use kde proxy config at least | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | that's weird | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | ahhh ... probably needs to set stuff in the backend as well | 20:07 |
| soee | yofel, can you take a look: http://pastebin.com/tz3mhHjU | 20:09 |
| yofel | when did that happen? | 20:11 |
| soee | yofel, 6 times already when updating packages | 20:11 |
| yofel | seems like a script is trying to run kbuildsycoca4 for you, but as root - which doesn't work | 20:11 |
| soee | hmm, 2 more | 20:12 |
| yofel | nothing like that here in precise - lemme update my netbook (oneiric) | 20:13 |
| soee | ok let me reboot after upgrade | 20:15 |
| soee | back, all looks good | 20:21 |
| Riddell | sorry got cut off | 20:49 |
| Riddell | kdepim-groupware is gone | 20:49 |
| Riddell | so is another one | 20:49 |
| Riddell | copying rc 2 to ppa beta | 21:11 |
| who_me | goodie, new toy to play with tomorrow :) | 21:23 |
| Riddell | so many packages, takes ages to do an upgrade test | 22:38 |
| Riddell | kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97 | 22:41 |
| ScottK | New skanlite in Debian Experimental needs merging. | 23:41 |
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