Riddelloh is kde-base-artwork-4.7.97.tar.bz2 new?00:16
Riddellyes it is00:16
Riddellfailed to notice that00:17
Riddellguess I'll give up and finish it tomorrow00:17
jussihave we packaged the oxygen font yet? 00:26
yofelwth is kde-base-artwork o.O?00:30
yofelgreat, ksplash stuff00:33
yofel$ ls kde-base-artwork-4.7.97/ksplashx-themes/default/00:33
yofel1024x768  1280x1024  1600x1200  1920x1080  1920x1200  600x400  800x600  CMakeLists.txt  Preview.png  Theme.rc00:33
BarkingFishMorning guys, how do I find out who is responsible for packaging thunderbird for us? 00:39
yofelBarkingFish: the mozilla folks -> #ubuntu-mozillateam00:39
BarkingFishgreat, cheers yofel00:39
yofelBarkingFish: in general it's the maintainer of the package (for ubuntu developers or MOTU you'll have to check who does the packaging in the changelog)00:41
micahgBarkingFish: re thunderbird> that's chrisccoulson with me assisting (very little these days)00:41
BarkingFishok, no prob.  I'm just looking to see what version of thunderbird I got updated to00:42
yofelapt-cache policy thunderbird will tell you that ^^00:42
BarkingFishyofel - which is our default package manager? I always thought it was apper, which took over from kpackagekit.01:02
yofelno, default is muon01:02
yofelmuon-installer to be precise01:02
BarkingFishoh well, I guess not everything can be perfect :P01:03
yofelwell, it's still not perfect, but I'm happy I have packagekit gone from my system01:04
BarkingFishi'm happy to have something I can use :) muon is a pain in the [censored] :)01:04
yofeltalk to jonathan - works for me01:05
yofelthen again, I'm an apt guy, so rarely use it01:05
BarkingFishit works for me too, i just find apper much much easier, since I'm used to kpackagekit from when I joined kubuntu back in may/june of last year01:06
Riddellthis kde-base-artwork module is nuts, why has no  other packager complained about it "oh it compiles, not licenced and all files overlap"12:25
Riddellgrumpy e-mail about kde-base-artwork sent to release-team12:34
Tm_TRiddell: your grumpyness is well hidden in that from my POV (:12:44
Riddellgit clone kde:oxygen-fonts; mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/* ~/.fonts12:52
Riddellfirst look12:52
Riddellof course they haven't bothered to put the licence as I requested, sigh12:53
Riddellseems less distinct than the ubuntu font12:53
Riddellhmm something weird happened to my konsole font, lower quality for no reason12:55
Tm_Tcannot reproduce13:10
Tm_Toxygen monospace does seem to be bit less readable than liberation mono or dejavu mono on small font sizes (under 5-8px)13:18
who_mewhy o' why does KDE need to use 8px sized fonts when being used on a classic 96dpi display ?13:27
Tm_Twho_me: I use 6-7 px fonts quite typically13:31
Tm_Twho_me: what's wrong with 8px?13:32
who_mesince my display is like 19" I find myself squinting like mr. magoo13:34
who_meI always set them to size begingin with 10px13:34
Tm_Twho_me: ah, I don't have that problem13:36
Tm_Twho_me: you find kubuntu default font size problematic, you're saying? (I cannot remember what the default is)13:40
who_mewell, I do, clearly I am in the minority using a small display. I think this is a KDE thing though, because I saw the same thing on OpenSuSE kde spin13:41
who_meKDE devs sure love them small fonts :)13:41
Riddellwho_me: activeFont=Ubuntu,9 says /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals13:54
Riddellbut what the ends up as depends entirely on your dpi and physical monitor size13:55
Riddellit's nothing to do with KDE13:55
Tm_TRiddell: isn't it dpi alone?14:20
Tm_Twhich in turn comes from screen size in pixels and inches14:20
Riddelldepends if X decides to use a fixed dpi or not14:24
Tm_TI guess the current readability difference between other fonts and oxygen fonts is about hand-made optimization on small sizes14:28
who_me:) X should be smarter, or the DE should. I tend to switch from my work-horse ubuntu 10.04 (with gnome) to my testing, bug-hunting Kubuntu 11.10 install. Unless I initially tweak font sizes on KDE my eyes tend to hurt... guess it is a thing of "Im used to this" :)14:29
who_meFont sizes on kubuntu installer are awesome. Fonts look very good. Drop into the desktop after install and there is quite a diff.14:30
who_meluckily, if I replicate the setting in gnome (font size, font rendring mode - subpixel with RGB slight hinting, it gets good)14:31
Tm_Twho_me: yup, unfortunately defaults cannot be good for everyone and every set of hardware /:14:33
Tm_TI have to drop the font size quite soon on any system14:34
who_mewhat display are you using ?14:35
Tm_T  dimensions:    1680x1050 pixels (444x277 millimeters)14:39
Tm_T  resolution:    96x96 dots per inch14:39
Tm_T19" then14:39
Tm_Tsame with somewhat higher dpi though14:40
who_memine is a 19" but can only do 1440x90014:41
Tm_T...so in that I would use even less pixels per letter (:14:42
mikecbdoes aa settings make any difference?14:47
Riddellyes, but I expect my command above copying everything to .fonts breaks something14:52
Riddellbest just to copy the .ttf file14:52
_Groo_hi/2 all16:12
_Groo_question, who is JR in the ninjas ppa?16:12
_Groo_Riddell: hi :)16:12
_Groo_Riddell: ark is broken, but you are prolly aware of that  by now :)16:13
Riddellin what distro version?16:13
_Groo_doesnt compiled16:13
_Groo_kdebaseapps too16:14
Riddellark seems to need pkg-config16:14
_Groo_Riddell: also do you want me to upload gtk3-oxygen to my ppa for testing?16:14
_Groo_yofel_: ping16:15
Riddellkde-baseapps just a rebuild16:16
Riddell_Groo_: sure16:16
_Groo_Riddell: k im gonna upload it tomorrow16:17
Riddellalthough I can't guarantee when to look at it, my todo is scarily long16:17
_Groo_Riddell: if everything compiles file im gonna move it to ninjas, i think i have upload rights there16:17
_Groo_Riddell: in any case ill ping you16:17
_Groo_Riddell: is secrets working in rc2? or still not compiled?16:18
Riddell_Groo_: ninjas is for secret packages, put the gtk stuff somewhere public16:21
_Groo_Riddell: k, my ppa wil do then :)16:22
RiddellI've not touched secrets16:22
mikecbanyone know what happened to flash plugin?16:23
_Groo_Riddell: kdenetwork flopped too...16:26
Riddellmikecb: flashplugin-installer?16:27
mikecbyeah, uninstalled itself just now, lacking nspluginwrapper16:29
* shadeslayer gets packaging16:29
Riddellshadeslayer: packaging what?16:30
shadeslayerKDE 4.5.95?16:30
shadeslayeror is it 9716:30
shadeslayerawesome ...16:30
mikecb flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader (>=             Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not going to be installed16:31
Riddellshadeslayer: it's all done16:32
shadeslayerthen the wiki is outdated ...16:32
shadeslayer"ALL DONE BY JONATHAN AND BAMBEE " shouldn't that be at the top or something ? :P16:33
Riddellshadeslayer: of course there's the qt-at-spi release if you are looking for bits to package16:34
shadeslayerokay, will have a look at that then16:34
Riddellnew cmake too16:34
Riddellfirst scribus qt 4 release I hear16:34
Riddellchecking over fabo's networkmanagement and uploading16:35
Riddelland that's only a small sample of my todo list :)16:35
micahgmikecb: which release are you on?16:35
micahgmikecb: no, I meant Ubuntu release16:35
mikecb12.04 + ninjas repo16:36
micahgmikecb: I assume on amd64?16:36
micahgwhat does apt-cache policy flashplugin-downloader show?16:37
micahgmikecb: can you add -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true to the apt-get command line and pastebin the output?16:39
mikecbyah, muon is holding a whole bunch of things back, and a[t-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and bunch of other stuff16:40
mikecbsure, would that be apt-get -d blahblah?16:40
micahgno, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install  flashplugin-installer16:40
micahgah, ok, just GTK arch skew16:44
micahgthis is common in the dev releases16:44
yofel__Groo_: haven't touched ksecrets again, I can update it for 4.7.97, but you'll have to do the AFAIK neccessary rebuild of kdelibs using it yourself16:55
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CIA-48[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 2 * (27 files in 4 dirs) fix layout16:57
_Groo_yofel: acutallty i was gpoing to warn you my tomahawk membership is about to expire17:02
yofeloops, looking17:02
yofel_Groo_: changed to never expire17:03
_Groo_yofel: ahah :D17:03
_Groo_yofel: tks ^^17:04
yofel_Groo_: ksecrets 4.7.97 uploaded to ninjas for precise, have fun with it17:06
yofeltell me once you find out how to use it17:06
yofel... properly17:06
CIA-48[lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control) update for 4.7.9717:07
_Groo_yofel: ahah ok17:07
yofelbtw. unless someone has another idea - I would be for putting that into the experimental PPA together with a kdelibs rebuild for 4.8 final. Objections?17:08
Riddellhi shadeslayer 17:10
Riddellhi soee 17:10
soeehi Riddell 17:10
Riddellyofel: go for it17:10
Riddellsoee: running oneiric or precise?17:11
soeeRiddell, oneiric17:11
Riddellsoee: we're very close to needing it tested for oneiric17:12
soeeRiddell, sure i can test17:12
shadeslayerdoes ubottu not support precise yet?17:14
shadeslayer!find qdbusvirtualobject.h precise17:14
ubottuprecise is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable17:14
yofeljussi: ^17:14
shadeslayerand any idea where qdbusvirtualobject.h resides? Can't find it anywhere17:17
yofelnowhere from what I see17:17
shadeslayerfregl: qt-at-spi needs qdbusvirtualobject.h and I can't seem to find it anywhere17:18
yofelshadeslayer: seems like it's in qt 4.817:19
yofellooking at qt git17:19
shadeslayerderp, cannot package qt-at-spi then17:19
shadeslayer"Dependencies: Qt 4.8" ... should have read that before :/17:19
Riddelloh sorry17:20
Riddell4.8 is probably ready to go in bzr17:20
Riddellneeds checking over and testing and uploading17:20
faboRiddell: I've done some cleanup, should be ready to go soon. looking at the patches atm17:22
fabothe 3 disabled patches exactly17:24
schnelleanyone who packages qt 4.8 please patch it with this patch if it is possible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/91173317:32
ubottuUbuntu bug 911733 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Patch Qt to fix annoying KDE bug 275469 (ghost taskbar entries)" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:32
schnelleI am sorry if I bother you with this from time to time in this channel17:32
schnellebut this bug is very annoying for me and a lot of others17:32
Riddellschnelle: still got it on my todo :)17:33
Riddellmaybe fabo will get there first17:33
_Groo_Riddell: will kde 4.8 ship with qt 4.8 for oneiric?17:35
Riddell_Groo_: your question doesn't make much sense17:35
yofel_Groo_: is there a reason why it should use 4.8?17:35
yofelif not: No17:35
Riddellwill qt 4.8 be backported to oneiric?  maybe if there's demand, dunno where it will go17:36
_Groo_yofel: Riddell: k, i was just curious17:36
_Groo_to me personally its because it adds the feature to put menus in the statusbar (not to be confused with the menubar on top)17:37
_Groo_sorry, not statusbar17:37
_Groo_windows border i mean17:37
_Groo_dont know where i took that statusbar from :D17:37
yofelkwin allows that?17:38
_Groo_yofel: yeah17:38
_Groo_they upstreamed 2 patches17:38
freglshadeslayer: Qt 4.817:38
_Groo_yofel: one is the kubuntu one , with the menu in a separate bar (aka ubuntu)17:38
Riddellthose patches come from our qt patches17:38
shadeslayerfregl: thanks :)17:39
_Groo_yofel: the other is the ability to configure it to put the menu in the windows title border17:39
_Groo_Riddell: the first yes... its the kubuntu one17:39
_Groo_Riddell: the second i dont know17:39
Riddellthat'll be mgraesslin's doing I guess, his ears must have been burning :)17:43
_Groo_Riddell: kdenetwork bbroke again :P17:43
yofel_Groo_: what broke?17:43
_Groo_yofel: kdenetwork build in ninjas for oneiric17:43
_Groo_yofel: :)17:44
_Groo_yofel: relax :D17:44
Riddell4:4.7.95+5.71~pre15ubuntu8~ppa2~oneiric1 ! >= wanted 4:4.7.9717:44
Riddelloh needs meta-kde upload17:44
yofelRiddell: btw. I noticed that you're not chaning the version of kde-sc-dev-latest anymore in the packages. Intentionally? or just forgot about it?17:53
Riddellyofel: mostly lazyness, it only needs doing when there are ABI changes and I don't think this one has any17:54
Riddellalthough I do change it for the final upload17:54
yofelah, ok17:54
jussiyofel: annoy tsimpson about that ;)18:14
soeeRiddell, rc2 ready for test today ?19:30
Riddellsoee: just done!19:33
Riddell(the compiling)19:33
Riddellsoee: add that; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade19:34
soeeRiddell, what ppa ?19:39
_Groo_Riddell: one still broken, kdepim-groupware: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 is to be installed.19:55
yofel_Groo_: that was removed19:59
soeeyofel, this 2 packages are going to be removed when upgrading from rc1 to rc2: kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards20:01
soeeis it ok ?20:01
_Groo_yofel: but its being asked when upgrading20:04
yofelreally? dist-upgrade here simply removed them20:04
_Groo_yofel: gonna try with it... its aptitude thats crying20:04
_Groo_yofel: btw whos the muon developer again? i always forget (shame)20:05
_Groo_shadeslayer: ah yes20:05
shadeslayerwho isn't online right now ... probably playing on steam :P20:05
_Groo_shadeslayer: ahah20:05
yofelor playing MC20:05
_Groo_shadeslayer: i want to ask him to add proxy support to muon20:06
_Groo_shadeslayer: it will respect the bash proxy settings if i run it from console20:06
_Groo_shadeslayer: but it should use kde proxy config at least20:06
shadeslayerthat's weird20:06
shadeslayerahhh ... probably needs to set stuff in the backend as well20:07
soeeyofel, can you take a look: http://pastebin.com/tz3mhHjU20:09
yofelwhen did that happen?20:11
soeeyofel, 6 times already when updating packages20:11
yofelseems like a script is trying to run kbuildsycoca4 for you, but as root - which doesn't work20:11
soeehmm, 2 more20:12
yofelnothing  like that here in precise - lemme update my netbook (oneiric)20:13
soeeok let me reboot after upgrade20:15
soeeback, all looks good20:21
Riddellsorry got cut off20:49
Riddellkdepim-groupware is gone20:49
Riddellso is another one20:49
Riddellcopying rc 2 to ppa beta21:11
who_megoodie, new toy to play with tomorrow :)21:23
Riddellso many packages, takes ages to do an upgrade test22:38
ScottKNew skanlite in Debian Experimental needs merging.23:41

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