[00:16] oh is kde-base-artwork-4.7.97.tar.bz2 new? [00:16] yes it is [00:17] failed to notice that [00:17] guess I'll give up and finish it tomorrow [00:26] have we packaged the oxygen font yet? [00:30] wth is kde-base-artwork o.O? [00:33] great, ksplash stuff [00:33] $ ls kde-base-artwork-4.7.97/ksplashx-themes/default/ [00:33] 1024x768 1280x1024 1600x1200 1920x1080 1920x1200 600x400 800x600 CMakeLists.txt Preview.png Theme.rc [00:39] Morning guys, how do I find out who is responsible for packaging thunderbird for us? [00:39] BarkingFish: the mozilla folks -> #ubuntu-mozillateam [00:39] great, cheers yofel [00:41] BarkingFish: in general it's the maintainer of the package (for ubuntu developers or MOTU you'll have to check who does the packaging in the changelog) [00:41] BarkingFish: re thunderbird> that's chrisccoulson with me assisting (very little these days) [00:42] ok, no prob. I'm just looking to see what version of thunderbird I got updated to [00:42] apt-cache policy thunderbird will tell you that ^^ [01:02] yofel - which is our default package manager? I always thought it was apper, which took over from kpackagekit. [01:02] no, default is muon [01:02] muon-installer to be precise [01:03] 0.0 [01:03] oh well, I guess not everything can be perfect :P [01:03] lol [01:04] well, it's still not perfect, but I'm happy I have packagekit gone from my system [01:04] i'm happy to have something I can use :) muon is a pain in the [censored] :) [01:05] talk to jonathan - works for me [01:05] then again, I'm an apt guy, so rarely use it [01:06] it works for me too, i just find apper much much easier, since I'm used to kpackagekit from when I joined kubuntu back in may/june of last year [12:25] this kde-base-artwork module is nuts, why has no other packager complained about it "oh it compiles, not licenced and all files overlap" [12:34] grumpy e-mail about kde-base-artwork sent to release-team [12:44] Riddell: your grumpyness is well hidden in that from my POV (: [12:52] git clone kde:oxygen-fonts; mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/* ~/.fonts [12:52] first look [12:53] of course they haven't bothered to put the licence as I requested, sigh [12:53] seems less distinct than the ubuntu font [12:55] hmm something weird happened to my konsole font, lower quality for no reason [13:10] cannot reproduce [13:18] oxygen monospace does seem to be bit less readable than liberation mono or dejavu mono on small font sizes (under 5-8px) [13:27] why o' why does KDE need to use 8px sized fonts when being used on a classic 96dpi display ? [13:31] who_me: I use 6-7 px fonts quite typically [13:32] who_me: what's wrong with 8px? [13:34] since my display is like 19" I find myself squinting like mr. magoo [13:34] I always set them to size begingin with 10px [13:36] who_me: ah, I don't have that problem [13:40] who_me: you find kubuntu default font size problematic, you're saying? (I cannot remember what the default is) [13:41] well, I do, clearly I am in the minority using a small display. I think this is a KDE thing though, because I saw the same thing on OpenSuSE kde spin [13:41] KDE devs sure love them small fonts :) [13:42] hmm [13:54] who_me: activeFont=Ubuntu,9 says /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals [13:55] but what the ends up as depends entirely on your dpi and physical monitor size [13:55] it's nothing to do with KDE [14:20] Riddell: isn't it dpi alone? [14:20] which in turn comes from screen size in pixels and inches [14:24] depends if X decides to use a fixed dpi or not [14:24] true [14:28] I guess the current readability difference between other fonts and oxygen fonts is about hand-made optimization on small sizes [14:29] :) X should be smarter, or the DE should. I tend to switch from my work-horse ubuntu 10.04 (with gnome) to my testing, bug-hunting Kubuntu 11.10 install. Unless I initially tweak font sizes on KDE my eyes tend to hurt... guess it is a thing of "Im used to this" :) [14:30] Font sizes on kubuntu installer are awesome. Fonts look very good. Drop into the desktop after install and there is quite a diff. [14:31] luckily, if I replicate the setting in gnome (font size, font rendring mode - subpixel with RGB slight hinting, it gets good) [14:33] who_me: yup, unfortunately defaults cannot be good for everyone and every set of hardware /: [14:34] I have to drop the font size quite soon on any system [14:35] what display are you using ? [14:39] dimensions: 1680x1050 pixels (444x277 millimeters) [14:39] resolution: 96x96 dots per inch [14:39] 19" then [14:40] same with somewhat higher dpi though [14:41] mine is a 19" but can only do 1440x900 [14:42] ...so in that I would use even less pixels per letter (: [14:47] does aa settings make any difference? [14:52] yes, but I expect my command above copying everything to .fonts breaks something [14:52] best just to copy the .ttf file [14:52] files [16:12] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [16:12] <_Groo_> question, who is JR in the ninjas ppa? [16:12] moi [16:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi :) [16:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: ark is broken, but you are prolly aware of that by now :) [16:13] in what distro version? [16:13] <_Groo_> oneiric [16:13] <_Groo_> doesnt compiled [16:13] <_Groo_> didnt [16:13] <_Groo_> s/doesnt/didnt [16:14] <_Groo_> kdebaseapps too [16:14] ark seems to need pkg-config [16:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: also do you want me to upload gtk3-oxygen to my ppa for testing? [16:15] <_Groo_> yofel_: ping [16:16] kde-baseapps just a rebuild [16:16] _Groo_: sure [16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: k im gonna upload it tomorrow [16:17] although I can't guarantee when to look at it, my todo is scarily long [16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: if everything compiles file im gonna move it to ninjas, i think i have upload rights there [16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: in any case ill ping you [16:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: is secrets working in rc2? or still not compiled? [16:21] _Groo_: ninjas is for secret packages, put the gtk stuff somewhere public [16:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, my ppa wil do then :) [16:22] I've not touched secrets [16:23] anyone know what happened to flash plugin? [16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdenetwork flopped too... [16:27] mikecb: flashplugin-installer? [16:29] yeah, uninstalled itself just now, lacking nspluginwrapper [16:29] * shadeslayer gets packaging [16:30] shadeslayer: packaging what? [16:30] KDE 4.5.95? [16:30] or is it 97 [16:30] 97 [16:30] awesome ... [16:31] flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader (>= 11.0.1.152ubuntu1) Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not going to be installed [16:32] shadeslayer: it's all done [16:32] then the wiki is outdated ... [16:33] "ALL DONE BY JONATHAN AND BAMBEE " shouldn't that be at the top or something ? :P [16:34] shadeslayer: of course there's the qt-at-spi release if you are looking for bits to package [16:34] okay, will have a look at that then [16:34] new cmake too [16:34] first scribus qt 4 release I hear [16:35] checking over fabo's networkmanagement and uploading [16:35] and that's only a small sample of my todo list :) [16:35] mikecb: which release are you on? [16:35] 97 [16:35] mikecb: no, I meant Ubuntu release [16:36] 12.04 + ninjas repo [16:36] mikecb: I assume on amd64? [16:36] yep [16:37] what does apt-cache policy flashplugin-downloader show? [16:38] http://pastebin.com/cs778AVV [16:39] weird [16:39] mikecb: can you add -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true to the apt-get command line and pastebin the output? [16:40] yah, muon is holding a whole bunch of things back, and a[t-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and bunch of other stuff [16:40] sure, would that be apt-get -d blahblah? [16:40] no, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install flashplugin-installer [16:42] http://pastebin.com/UBPDHj83 [16:44] ah, ok, just GTK arch skew [16:44] this is common in the dev releases [16:45] kk [16:55] _Groo_: haven't touched ksecrets again, I can update it for 4.7.97, but you'll have to do the AFAIK neccessary rebuild of kdelibs using it yourself === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:57] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 2 * (27 files in 4 dirs) fix layout [17:02] <_Groo_> yofel: acutallty i was gpoing to warn you my tomahawk membership is about to expire [17:02] oops, looking [17:03] _Groo_: changed to never expire [17:03] <_Groo_> yofel: ahah :D [17:04] <_Groo_> yofel: tks ^^ [17:06] _Groo_: ksecrets 4.7.97 uploaded to ninjas for precise, have fun with it [17:06] tell me once you find out how to use it [17:06] ... properly [17:07] [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control) update for 4.7.97 [17:07] <_Groo_> yofel: ahah ok [17:08] btw. unless someone has another idea - I would be for putting that into the experimental PPA together with a kdelibs rebuild for 4.8 final. Objections? [17:10] hi shadeslayer [17:10] tsk [17:10] hi soee [17:10] hi Riddell [17:10] yofel: go for it [17:11] k [17:11] soee: running oneiric or precise? [17:11] Riddell, oneiric [17:12] soee: we're very close to needing it tested for oneiric [17:12] Riddell, sure i can test [17:14] does ubottu not support precise yet? [17:14] !find qdbusvirtualobject.h precise [17:14] precise is not a valid distribution: hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, maverick, maverick-backports, maverick-proposed, medibuntu, natty, natty-backports, natty-proposed, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, stable, testing, unstable [17:14] jussi: ^ [17:17] and any idea where qdbusvirtualobject.h resides? Can't find it anywhere [17:17] nowhere from what I see [17:18] fregl: qt-at-spi needs qdbusvirtualobject.h and I can't seem to find it anywhere [17:19] shadeslayer: seems like it's in qt 4.8 [17:19] looking at qt git [17:19] derp, cannot package qt-at-spi then [17:19] "Dependencies: Qt 4.8" ... should have read that before :/ [17:20] oh sorry [17:20] 4.8 is probably ready to go in bzr [17:20] needs checking over and testing and uploading [17:22] Riddell: I've done some cleanup, should be ready to go soon. looking at the patches atm [17:24] the 3 disabled patches exactly [17:32] anyone who packages qt 4.8 please patch it with this patch if it is possible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733 [17:32] Ubuntu bug 911733 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "Patch Qt to fix annoying KDE bug 275469 (ghost taskbar entries)" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:32] I am sorry if I bother you with this from time to time in this channel [17:32] but this bug is very annoying for me and a lot of others [17:33] schnelle: still got it on my todo :) [17:33] maybe fabo will get there first [17:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: will kde 4.8 ship with qt 4.8 for oneiric? [17:35] _Groo_: your question doesn't make much sense [17:35] _Groo_: is there a reason why it should use 4.8? [17:35] if not: No [17:36] will qt 4.8 be backported to oneiric? maybe if there's demand, dunno where it will go [17:36] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell: k, i was just curious [17:37] <_Groo_> to me personally its because it adds the feature to put menus in the statusbar (not to be confused with the menubar on top) [17:37] <_Groo_> sorry, not statusbar [17:37] <_Groo_> windows border i mean [17:37] <_Groo_> dont know where i took that statusbar from :D [17:38] kwin allows that? [17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah [17:38] ah [17:38] <_Groo_> they upstreamed 2 patches [17:38] shadeslayer: Qt 4.8 [17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: one is the kubuntu one , with the menu in a separate bar (aka ubuntu) [17:38] those patches come from our qt patches [17:39] fregl: thanks :) [17:39] <_Groo_> yofel: the other is the ability to configure it to put the menu in the windows title border [17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: the first yes... its the kubuntu one [17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: the second i dont know [17:43] that'll be mgraesslin's doing I guess, his ears must have been burning :) [17:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdenetwork bbroke again :P [17:43] _Groo_: what broke? [17:43] <_Groo_> yofel: kdenetwork build in ninjas for oneiric [17:44] ah [17:44] <_Groo_> yofel: :) [17:44] <_Groo_> yofel: relax :D [17:44] 4:4.7.95+5.71~pre15ubuntu8~ppa2~oneiric1 ! >= wanted 4:4.7.97 [17:44] oh needs meta-kde upload [17:44] fine [17:49] :) [17:53] Riddell: btw. I noticed that you're not chaning the version of kde-sc-dev-latest anymore in the packages. Intentionally? or just forgot about it? [17:54] yofel: mostly lazyness, it only needs doing when there are ABI changes and I don't think this one has any [17:54] although I do change it for the final upload [17:54] ah, ok [18:14] yofel: annoy tsimpson about that ;) [19:30] Riddell, rc2 ready for test today ? [19:33] soee: just done! [19:33] (the compiling) [19:34] soee: add that; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [19:39] Riddell, what ppa ? [19:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: one still broken, kdepim-groupware: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 is to be installed. [19:59] _Groo_: that was removed [20:01] yofel, this 2 packages are going to be removed when upgrading from rc1 to rc2: kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards [20:01] is it ok ? [20:02] yes [20:04] <_Groo_> yofel: but its being asked when upgrading [20:04] really? dist-upgrade here simply removed them [20:04] <_Groo_> yofel: gonna try with it... its aptitude thats crying [20:05] <_Groo_> yofel: btw whos the muon developer again? i always forget (shame) [20:05] Jontheechidna [20:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah yes [20:05] who isn't online right now ... probably playing on steam :P [20:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ahah [20:05] or playing MC [20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i want to ask him to add proxy support to muon [20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it will respect the bash proxy settings if i run it from console [20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but it should use kde proxy config at least [20:06] that's weird [20:07] ahhh ... probably needs to set stuff in the backend as well [20:09] yofel, can you take a look: http://pastebin.com/tz3mhHjU [20:11] when did that happen? [20:11] yofel, 6 times already when updating packages [20:11] seems like a script is trying to run kbuildsycoca4 for you, but as root - which doesn't work [20:12] hmm, 2 more [20:13] nothing like that here in precise - lemme update my netbook (oneiric) [20:15] ok let me reboot after upgrade [20:21] back, all looks good [20:49] sorry got cut off [20:49] kdepim-groupware is gone [20:49] so is another one [21:11] copying rc 2 to ppa beta [21:23] goodie, new toy to play with tomorrow :) [22:38] so many packages, takes ages to do an upgrade test [22:41] kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97 [23:41] New skanlite in Debian Experimental needs merging.