[00:16] <Riddell> oh is kde-base-artwork-4.7.97.tar.bz2 new?
[00:16] <Riddell> yes it is
[00:17] <Riddell> failed to notice that
[00:17] <Riddell> guess I'll give up and finish it tomorrow
[00:26] <jussi> have we packaged the oxygen font yet? 
[00:30] <yofel> wth is kde-base-artwork o.O?
[00:33] <yofel> great, ksplash stuff
[00:33] <yofel> $ ls kde-base-artwork-4.7.97/ksplashx-themes/default/
[00:33] <yofel> 1024x768  1280x1024  1600x1200  1920x1080  1920x1200  600x400  800x600  CMakeLists.txt  Preview.png  Theme.rc
[00:39] <BarkingFish> Morning guys, how do I find out who is responsible for packaging thunderbird for us? 
[00:39] <yofel> BarkingFish: the mozilla folks -> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[00:39] <BarkingFish> great, cheers yofel
[00:41] <yofel> BarkingFish: in general it's the maintainer of the package (for ubuntu developers or MOTU you'll have to check who does the packaging in the changelog)
[00:41] <micahg> BarkingFish: re thunderbird> that's chrisccoulson with me assisting (very little these days)
[00:42] <BarkingFish> ok, no prob.  I'm just looking to see what version of thunderbird I got updated to
[00:42] <yofel> apt-cache policy thunderbird will tell you that ^^
[01:02] <BarkingFish> yofel - which is our default package manager? I always thought it was apper, which took over from kpackagekit.
[01:02] <yofel> no, default is muon
[01:02] <yofel> muon-installer to be precise
[01:03] <BarkingFish> 0.0
[01:03] <BarkingFish> oh well, I guess not everything can be perfect :P
[01:03] <BarkingFish> lol
[01:04] <yofel> well, it's still not perfect, but I'm happy I have packagekit gone from my system
[01:04] <BarkingFish> i'm happy to have something I can use :) muon is a pain in the [censored] :)
[01:05] <yofel> talk to jonathan - works for me
[01:05] <yofel> then again, I'm an apt guy, so rarely use it
[01:06] <BarkingFish> it works for me too, i just find apper much much easier, since I'm used to kpackagekit from when I joined kubuntu back in may/june of last year
[12:25] <Riddell> this kde-base-artwork module is nuts, why has no  other packager complained about it "oh it compiles, not licenced and all files overlap"
[12:34] <Riddell> grumpy e-mail about kde-base-artwork sent to release-team
[12:44] <Tm_T> Riddell: your grumpyness is well hidden in that from my POV (:
[12:52] <Riddell> git clone kde:oxygen-fonts; mkdir ~/.fonts; cp -r oxygen-fonts/* ~/.fonts
[12:52] <Riddell> first look
[12:53] <Riddell> of course they haven't bothered to put the licence as I requested, sigh
[12:53] <Riddell> seems less distinct than the ubuntu font
[12:55] <Riddell> hmm something weird happened to my konsole font, lower quality for no reason
[13:10] <Tm_T> cannot reproduce
[13:18] <Tm_T> oxygen monospace does seem to be bit less readable than liberation mono or dejavu mono on small font sizes (under 5-8px)
[13:27] <who_me> why o' why does KDE need to use 8px sized fonts when being used on a classic 96dpi display ?
[13:31] <Tm_T> who_me: I use 6-7 px fonts quite typically
[13:32] <Tm_T> who_me: what's wrong with 8px?
[13:34] <who_me> since my display is like 19" I find myself squinting like mr. magoo
[13:34] <who_me> I always set them to size begingin with 10px
[13:36] <Tm_T> who_me: ah, I don't have that problem
[13:40] <Tm_T> who_me: you find kubuntu default font size problematic, you're saying? (I cannot remember what the default is)
[13:41] <who_me> well, I do, clearly I am in the minority using a small display. I think this is a KDE thing though, because I saw the same thing on OpenSuSE kde spin
[13:41] <who_me> KDE devs sure love them small fonts :)
[13:42] <Tm_T> hmm
[13:54] <Riddell> who_me: activeFont=Ubuntu,9 says /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde4-profile/default/share/config/kdeglobals
[13:55] <Riddell> but what the ends up as depends entirely on your dpi and physical monitor size
[13:55] <Riddell> it's nothing to do with KDE
[14:20] <Tm_T> Riddell: isn't it dpi alone?
[14:20] <Tm_T> which in turn comes from screen size in pixels and inches
[14:24] <Riddell> depends if X decides to use a fixed dpi or not
[14:24] <Tm_T> true
[14:28] <Tm_T> I guess the current readability difference between other fonts and oxygen fonts is about hand-made optimization on small sizes
[14:29] <who_me> :) X should be smarter, or the DE should. I tend to switch from my work-horse ubuntu 10.04 (with gnome) to my testing, bug-hunting Kubuntu 11.10 install. Unless I initially tweak font sizes on KDE my eyes tend to hurt... guess it is a thing of "Im used to this" :)
[14:30] <who_me> Font sizes on kubuntu installer are awesome. Fonts look very good. Drop into the desktop after install and there is quite a diff.
[14:31] <who_me> luckily, if I replicate the setting in gnome (font size, font rendring mode - subpixel with RGB slight hinting, it gets good)
[14:33] <Tm_T> who_me: yup, unfortunately defaults cannot be good for everyone and every set of hardware /:
[14:34] <Tm_T> I have to drop the font size quite soon on any system
[14:35] <who_me> what display are you using ?
[14:39] <Tm_T>   dimensions:    1680x1050 pixels (444x277 millimeters)
[14:39] <Tm_T>   resolution:    96x96 dots per inch
[14:39] <Tm_T> 19" then
[14:40] <Tm_T> same with somewhat higher dpi though
[14:41] <who_me> mine is a 19" but can only do 1440x900
[14:42] <Tm_T> ...so in that I would use even less pixels per letter (:
[14:47] <mikecb> does aa settings make any difference?
[14:52] <Riddell> yes, but I expect my command above copying everything to .fonts breaks something
[14:52] <Riddell> best just to copy the .ttf file
[14:52] <Riddell> files
[16:12] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:12] <_Groo_> question, who is JR in the ninjas ppa?
[16:12] <Riddell> moi
[16:12] <_Groo_> Riddell: hi :)
[16:13] <_Groo_> Riddell: ark is broken, but you are prolly aware of that  by now :)
[16:13] <Riddell> in what distro version?
[16:13] <_Groo_> oneiric
[16:13] <_Groo_> doesnt compiled
[16:13] <_Groo_> didnt
[16:13] <_Groo_> s/doesnt/didnt
[16:14] <_Groo_> kdebaseapps too
[16:14] <Riddell> ark seems to need pkg-config
[16:14] <_Groo_> Riddell: also do you want me to upload gtk3-oxygen to my ppa for testing?
[16:15] <_Groo_> yofel_: ping
[16:16] <Riddell> kde-baseapps just a rebuild
[16:16] <Riddell> _Groo_: sure
[16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: k im gonna upload it tomorrow
[16:17] <Riddell> although I can't guarantee when to look at it, my todo is scarily long
[16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: if everything compiles file im gonna move it to ninjas, i think i have upload rights there
[16:17] <_Groo_> Riddell: in any case ill ping you
[16:18] <_Groo_> Riddell: is secrets working in rc2? or still not compiled?
[16:21] <Riddell> _Groo_: ninjas is for secret packages, put the gtk stuff somewhere public
[16:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, my ppa wil do then :)
[16:22] <Riddell> I've not touched secrets
[16:23] <mikecb> anyone know what happened to flash plugin?
[16:26] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdenetwork flopped too...
[16:27] <Riddell> mikecb: flashplugin-installer?
[16:29] <mikecb> yeah, uninstalled itself just now, lacking nspluginwrapper
[16:29]  * shadeslayer gets packaging
[16:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: packaging what?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> KDE 4.5.95?
[16:30] <shadeslayer> or is it 97
[16:30] <mikecb> 97
[16:30] <shadeslayer> awesome ...
[16:31] <mikecb>  flashplugin-installer : Depends: flashplugin-downloader (>= 11.0.1.152ubuntu1)             Depends: nspluginwrapper but it is not going to be installed
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's all done
[16:32] <shadeslayer> then the wiki is outdated ...
[16:33] <shadeslayer> "ALL DONE BY JONATHAN AND BAMBEE " shouldn't that be at the top or something ? :P
[16:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: of course there's the qt-at-spi release if you are looking for bits to package
[16:34] <shadeslayer> okay, will have a look at that then
[16:34] <Riddell> new cmake too
[16:34] <Riddell> first scribus qt 4 release I hear
[16:35] <Riddell> checking over fabo's networkmanagement and uploading
[16:35] <Riddell> and that's only a small sample of my todo list :)
[16:35] <micahg> mikecb: which release are you on?
[16:35] <mikecb> 97
[16:35] <micahg> mikecb: no, I meant Ubuntu release
[16:36] <mikecb> 12.04 + ninjas repo
[16:36] <micahg> mikecb: I assume on amd64?
[16:36] <mikecb> yep
[16:37] <micahg> what does apt-cache policy flashplugin-downloader show?
[16:38] <mikecb> http://pastebin.com/cs778AVV
[16:39] <micahg> weird
[16:39] <micahg> mikecb: can you add -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true to the apt-get command line and pastebin the output?
[16:40] <mikecb> yah, muon is holding a whole bunch of things back, and a[t-get dist-upgrade wants to uninstall kubuntu-desktop and bunch of other stuff
[16:40] <mikecb> sure, would that be apt-get -d blahblah?
[16:40] <micahg> no, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true install  flashplugin-installer
[16:42] <mikecb> http://pastebin.com/UBPDHj83
[16:44] <micahg> ah, ok, just GTK arch skew
[16:44] <micahg> this is common in the dev releases
[16:45] <mikecb> kk
[16:55] <yofel_> _Groo_: haven't touched ksecrets again, I can update it for 4.7.97, but you'll have to do the AFAIK neccessary rebuild of kdelibs using it yourself
[16:57] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 2 * (27 files in 4 dirs) fix layout
[17:02] <_Groo_> yofel: acutallty i was gpoing to warn you my tomahawk membership is about to expire
[17:02] <yofel> oops, looking
[17:03] <yofel> _Groo_: changed to never expire
[17:03] <_Groo_> yofel: ahah :D
[17:04] <_Groo_> yofel: tks ^^
[17:06] <yofel> _Groo_: ksecrets 4.7.97 uploaded to ninjas for precise, have fun with it
[17:06] <yofel> tell me once you find out how to use it
[17:06] <yofel> ... properly
[17:07] <CIA-48> [lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/ksecrets] Philip Muškovac * 3 * debian/ (changelog control) update for 4.7.97
[17:07] <_Groo_> yofel: ahah ok
[17:08] <yofel> btw. unless someone has another idea - I would be for putting that into the experimental PPA together with a kdelibs rebuild for 4.8 final. Objections?
[17:10] <Riddell> hi shadeslayer 
[17:10] <Riddell> tsk
[17:10] <Riddell> hi soee 
[17:10] <soee> hi Riddell 
[17:10] <Riddell> yofel: go for it
[17:11] <yofel> k
[17:11] <Riddell> soee: running oneiric or precise?
[17:11] <soee> Riddell, oneiric
[17:12] <Riddell> soee: we're very close to needing it tested for oneiric
[17:12] <soee> Riddell, sure i can test
[17:14] <shadeslayer> does ubottu not support precise yet?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> !find qdbusvirtualobject.h precise
[17:14] <yofel> jussi: ^
[17:17] <shadeslayer> and any idea where qdbusvirtualobject.h resides? Can't find it anywhere
[17:17] <yofel> nowhere from what I see
[17:18] <shadeslayer> fregl: qt-at-spi needs qdbusvirtualobject.h and I can't seem to find it anywhere
[17:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: seems like it's in qt 4.8
[17:19] <yofel> looking at qt git
[17:19] <shadeslayer> derp, cannot package qt-at-spi then
[17:19] <shadeslayer> "Dependencies: Qt 4.8" ... should have read that before :/
[17:20] <Riddell> oh sorry
[17:20] <Riddell> 4.8 is probably ready to go in bzr
[17:20] <Riddell> needs checking over and testing and uploading
[17:22] <fabo> Riddell: I've done some cleanup, should be ready to go soon. looking at the patches atm
[17:24] <fabo> the 3 disabled patches exactly
[17:32] <schnelle> anyone who packages qt 4.8 please patch it with this patch if it is possible: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733
[17:32] <schnelle> I am sorry if I bother you with this from time to time in this channel
[17:32] <schnelle> but this bug is very annoying for me and a lot of others
[17:33] <Riddell> schnelle: still got it on my todo :)
[17:33] <Riddell> maybe fabo will get there first
[17:35] <_Groo_> Riddell: will kde 4.8 ship with qt 4.8 for oneiric?
[17:35] <Riddell> _Groo_: your question doesn't make much sense
[17:35] <yofel> _Groo_: is there a reason why it should use 4.8?
[17:35] <yofel> if not: No
[17:36] <Riddell> will qt 4.8 be backported to oneiric?  maybe if there's demand, dunno where it will go
[17:36] <_Groo_> yofel: Riddell: k, i was just curious
[17:37] <_Groo_> to me personally its because it adds the feature to put menus in the statusbar (not to be confused with the menubar on top)
[17:37] <_Groo_> sorry, not statusbar
[17:37] <_Groo_> windows border i mean
[17:37] <_Groo_> dont know where i took that statusbar from :D
[17:38] <yofel> kwin allows that?
[17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah
[17:38] <yofel> ah
[17:38] <_Groo_> they upstreamed 2 patches
[17:38] <fregl> shadeslayer: Qt 4.8
[17:38] <_Groo_> yofel: one is the kubuntu one , with the menu in a separate bar (aka ubuntu)
[17:38] <Riddell> those patches come from our qt patches
[17:39] <shadeslayer> fregl: thanks :)
[17:39] <_Groo_> yofel: the other is the ability to configure it to put the menu in the windows title border
[17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: the first yes... its the kubuntu one
[17:39] <_Groo_> Riddell: the second i dont know
[17:43] <Riddell> that'll be mgraesslin's doing I guess, his ears must have been burning :)
[17:43] <_Groo_> Riddell: kdenetwork bbroke again :P
[17:43] <yofel> _Groo_: what broke?
[17:43] <_Groo_> yofel: kdenetwork build in ninjas for oneiric
[17:44] <yofel> ah
[17:44] <_Groo_> yofel: :)
[17:44] <_Groo_> yofel: relax :D
[17:44] <Riddell> 4:4.7.95+5.71~pre15ubuntu8~ppa2~oneiric1 ! >= wanted 4:4.7.97
[17:44] <Riddell> oh needs meta-kde upload
[17:44] <Riddell> fine
[17:49] <soee> :)
[17:53] <yofel> Riddell: btw. I noticed that you're not chaning the version of kde-sc-dev-latest anymore in the packages. Intentionally? or just forgot about it?
[17:54] <Riddell> yofel: mostly lazyness, it only needs doing when there are ABI changes and I don't think this one has any
[17:54] <Riddell> although I do change it for the final upload
[17:54] <yofel> ah, ok
[18:14] <jussi> yofel: annoy tsimpson about that ;)
[19:30] <soee> Riddell, rc2 ready for test today ?
[19:33] <Riddell> soee: just done!
[19:33] <Riddell> (the compiling)
[19:34] <Riddell> soee: add that; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[19:39] <soee> Riddell, what ppa ?
[19:55] <_Groo_> Riddell: one still broken, kdepim-groupware: Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.7.95-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1) but 4:4.7.97-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 is to be installed.
[19:59] <yofel> _Groo_: that was removed
[20:01] <soee> yofel, this 2 packages are going to be removed when upgrading from rc1 to rc2: kdepim-groupware kdepim-wizards
[20:01] <soee> is it ok ?
[20:02] <yofel> yes
[20:04] <_Groo_> yofel: but its being asked when upgrading
[20:04] <yofel> really? dist-upgrade here simply removed them
[20:04] <_Groo_> yofel: gonna try with it... its aptitude thats crying
[20:05] <_Groo_> yofel: btw whos the muon developer again? i always forget (shame)
[20:05] <shadeslayer> Jontheechidna
[20:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ah yes
[20:05] <shadeslayer> who isn't online right now ... probably playing on steam :P
[20:05] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: ahah
[20:05] <yofel> or playing MC
[20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: i want to ask him to add proxy support to muon
[20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: it will respect the bash proxy settings if i run it from console
[20:06] <_Groo_> shadeslayer: but it should use kde proxy config at least
[20:06] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ahhh ... probably needs to set stuff in the backend as well
[20:09] <soee> yofel, can you take a look: http://pastebin.com/tz3mhHjU
[20:11] <yofel> when did that happen?
[20:11] <soee> yofel, 6 times already when updating packages
[20:11] <yofel> seems like a script is trying to run kbuildsycoca4 for you, but as root - which doesn't work
[20:12] <soee> hmm, 2 more
[20:13] <yofel> nothing  like that here in precise - lemme update my netbook (oneiric)
[20:15] <soee> ok let me reboot after upgrade
[20:21] <soee> back, all looks good
[20:49] <Riddell> sorry got cut off
[20:49] <Riddell> kdepim-groupware is gone
[20:49] <Riddell> so is another one
[21:11] <Riddell> copying rc 2 to ppa beta
[21:23] <who_me> goodie, new toy to play with tomorrow :)
[22:38] <Riddell> so many packages, takes ages to do an upgrade test
[22:41] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.97
[23:41] <ScottK> New skanlite in Debian Experimental needs merging.