[00:01] <YokoZar> Woo, I can now set daily builds to 0.4 recipe version!  ....that crashes bzr before build :(
[00:01] <YokoZar> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/89179259/buildlog.txt.gz
[00:06] <spm> phillw: top right hand corner of the bug "Convert to a question"; unsure how widespread the access to do that is tho
[13:00] <rick_h__> Topic for #launchpad: Help contact: rick_h | https://launchpad.net | Launchpad is open source | This channel is logged
[16:08] <deryck> adeuring, rick_h_-- I've got IRC now.
[16:08] <adeuring> deryck: ok, thanks
[16:08] <rick_h__> deryck: ty
[16:57] <psusi> say, is anything in the works to make the Opinion status actually usefull?
[16:58] <deryck> psusi, no.  but it's usefulness or lack thereof is a matter of, well, opinion. :)
[16:58] <Resistance> xD
[16:58] <psusi> I would very much like to be able to use it
[16:58] <deryck> I could it be made useful for you?
[16:58] <psusi> currently it isn't useful beacuse it is just equivalent to invalid... it would be nice if that were not the case
[16:58] <deryck> s/I/could/
[16:59] <deryck> gah, fail on my typing.
[16:59] <Resistance> i disagree with you psusi...
[16:59] <psusi> here's an example: bug #776422
[16:59] <deryck> psusi, yeah, there are people who want it to be an open status not a closed status.  ut just wasn't designed that way.
[16:59] <Resistance> i read "Invalid" as someone thinking something's a bug when it really isnt
[17:00] <Resistance> i read "Opinion" as the opinion of someone who wants current functionality fixed to be different
[17:00] <psusi> this isn't a bug since it is really a broken bios, but people having the same issue and searching for a known bug should be able to find that bug report and see the workaround
[17:00]  * Resistance uses that format on more than one project
[17:00] <psusi> Resistance: how you read it != what it actually does
[17:00] <deryck> yeah, Opinion is meant to be shorthand for "we have a difference of opinion here, and I need to close the bug and move on to other work."
[17:00] <Resistance> show me documentation that states what it actually does then :P
[17:00] <Resistance> oic
[17:01] <psusi> deryck: right... so the developer doesn't want to see the bug any more.. but users searching should still find it as it may be useful to them
[17:01] <deryck> that's a different issue.  maybe closed bugs should turn up by default in search results? (I'm not sure they do, just saying it's a different issue than making opinion useful.)
[17:02] <psusi> Resistance: what it actually does is the exact same thing as invalid, which makes it kind of pointless ;)
[17:02] <brendand> Opinion is used wrongly in that bug
[17:02] <psusi> what I'm saying is that there should be a distinction between invalid and opinion, rather than just classifying them both as "closed"
[17:03] <psusi> brendand: why do you say that?
[17:04] <psusi> it seems to me that having one "closed" status that users still can easily find, but is hidden from the normal bug list so that it doesn't distract devs would be useful
[17:04] <brendand> because if the problem is in the bios then it's not a bug
[17:05] <psusi> brendand: exactly, that's why it is in a closed state ( which opinion is )
[17:05] <brendand> if it's not a bug then it's Invalid (also a closed state)
[17:06] <psusi> brendand: right, but why have opinion if it is == invalid.. make it slightly different so it has a useful purpose
[17:06] <brendand> psusi - Opinion doesn't equal Invalid (although I have to say I'm not a fan of opinion)
[17:07] <psusi> brendand: while that isn't a bug, it IS a problem that is likely to affect people, and it has useful information for people affected by it, so it would be very useful if it still showed up in text search results, but was hidden from the bug list
[17:07] <psusi> brendand: how is it at all different from invalid?
[17:08] <brendand> Opinion should be used when changing the way something works, not when there is a failure such as in this bug
[17:08] <psusi> no, that's a wishlist priority triaged bug
[17:08] <brendand> isn't it all as clear as day :)
[17:09] <psusi> if you marked a request to change the way something works with opinion, it would never get changed because opinion is de facto invalid...
[17:09] <brendand> Wishlist is *supposed* to be for 'nice-to-haves' and new features
[17:09] <psusi> right
[21:15] <markjones> Is Malone a codename for the bugs part of Launchpad?
[21:15] <tumbleweed> yes
[21:21] <sinzui> markjones, it *was* a code name, as was rosetta for Translations. We remove the references in the code when we can. We use "Launchpad Bugs" when we talk about the bug tracker
[21:21] <markjones> Thanks
[21:22] <markjones> i just came across the codename in a presentation