[00:46] <stepnjump> hello everyone
[00:47] <benonsoftware> Hello stepnjump
[00:55] <stepnjump> hi benonsoftware
[00:57] <benonsoftware> stepnjump: Just to let you know there is #ubuntu-beginners-team for offtopic chat :P
[01:02] <r4y> How do I upgrade banshee to the latest stable release?
[04:29] <holstein> r4y: this is what i would used for upgrading banshee https://launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive/ppa
[04:29] <holstein> or, thats what i would try first
[04:30] <r4y> ty
[04:30] <holstein> would use*
[04:30] <r4y> I am not sure if it's going to help my problem
[04:31] <r4y> I looked under plug-ins and it has mtp selected
[04:31] <r4y> I was reading about it and thought I might need to upgrade Banshee
[04:32] <holstein> depends.. you having trouble syncing up to something?
[04:32] <r4y> I exchanged my rca th1814wm-a and this time I did safely remove it and it will not mount on Ubuntu 10.04 or Windows XP
[04:32] <holstein> r4y: maybe its dead :/
[04:33] <r4y> I was going to upgrade the firmware but it is stuck in mtp mode and the easyrip software says it needs to be in msc mode
[04:33] <r4y> so I can't try to upgrade the firmware
[04:34] <holstein> that was a hardware setting for a little sansa i had
[04:34] <holstein> well, a setting made on the actual unit
[04:34] <r4y> I tried Qlix and it says there is no device
[04:35] <r4y> I tried mtp-detect and it says there is no device
[04:37] <r4y> I've be Googling to no avail
[04:37] <holstein> well, if its not mounting...
[04:38] <r4y> I hope I can return it for money
[04:39] <r4y> Any suggestions for what to buy that will work with Linux and is fairly cheap on tigerdirect and or newegg?
[04:39] <holstein> r4y: i havent messed with anything like that since the android phone
[04:40] <r4y> Do you know who would know?
[04:40] <r4y> I mean
[04:40] <r4y> Who might know?
[04:40] <holstein> anything with drag and drop firmware
[04:40] <holstein> something that just shows up as a drive
[04:41] <r4y> Yes
[04:41] <r4y> I prefer hands on
[04:41] <r4y> This was great for that until it doesn't mount
[04:42] <r4y> I haven't had this one for long.
[04:43] <r4y> Is there a mp3 hardware player channel for Linux users or something related?
[04:43] <holstein> theres #opensourcemusicians
[04:44] <holstein> i think most will suggest something with drag and drop firmware
[04:44] <r4y> Is there hydrogen?
[04:44] <holstein> all of them break
[04:44] <r4y> Yes but less then a week
[04:44] <r4y> I get it though
[04:45] <holstein> sure.. thats a perfect time for it to go
[04:46] <holstein> for a hard drive to fail... when they are new out of the box
[04:47] <r4y> It could be worse I guess, other then hoping I can still get my money back. I wonder what the expiration date is for returning it
[04:48] <holstein> depends on where you got it, but you should always try the manufacturer... roku replaced my roku player like a year past its warranty.. and so did kensington with a nice mouse i have
[04:49] <r4y> what does holstein refer to?, I didn't get a waranty for it I think
[04:50] <holstein> r4y: im just saying, regardless of your agreement, contact the manufacturer
[04:50] <holstein> sometimes they support you
[04:51] <holstein> the place where you purchased it should support you now, since its been a week
[04:51] <holstein> but, also since its been a week, mabye its just something with a learning curve
[04:52] <r4y> The only thing is it is made for Windows like most things say and I am afraid I will not be able to get my money back if that doesn't work out in time before the expiration date
[04:52] <r4y> yes, I am sorry. You are right in your thinking though
[04:52] <holstein> r4y: ?... you just return it cause its not mounting in windows
[04:53] <r4y> Yes, both windows and linux
[04:53] <holstein> im not saying you lie... but you didnt break it in linux.. unless you did ;)
[04:54] <r4y> Before, I forgot to right click and safely remove but this time I did click safely remove which is the new on not the old one
[04:54] <r4y> I am not sure what I could have done to break it.
[04:54] <r4y> However it came with easyrip software designed for it
[04:55] <r4y> It worked without it, until it would not mount
[04:55] <r4y> This is why I want to buy a linux supported mp3 player
[04:55] <holstein> youve tried seeing it in fdisk -l ?
[04:55] <r4y> yes
[04:55] <r4y> I will try again though
[04:56] <holstein> r4y: you'll probably pay extra for one that says 'linux' on the box
[04:57] <r4y> nothing popped up
[04:58] <holstein> r4y: sudo fdisk -l
[04:58] <holstein> or, run gparted and see if you see the deivce there
[04:58] <holstein> and consider formatting it
[04:59] <r4y> http://paste.ubuntu.com/794549/
[04:59] <r4y> I had formatted the older one before
[04:59] <holstein> r4y: well, it could be bad...
[05:00] <r4y> I think in my case it's Disk Utility not gparted but I could be wrong
[05:00] <r4y> I there was both
[05:00] <holstein> r4y: ?... well you can run either and look for it
[05:00] <holstein> i want you to run gparted and look
[05:01] <holstein> but you can use the other if you like... let me know if you see it either place
[05:01] <r4y> I've checked over and over and it doesn't show up
[05:01] <r4y> I will check again
[05:02] <holstein> r4y: you dont have to check.. if it aint showing up there, you'll never mount it
[05:02] <r4y> The only thing related is called Peripheral Devices which is empty
[05:03] <holstein> r4y: it'll be a hard drive in gparted
[05:03] <r4y> I came here earlier and said that I can mount my flash drive on the same usb port
[05:04] <r4y> how do I open gparted in the terminal?
[05:04] <holstein> gksudo gparted
[05:04] <holstein> r4y: careful in there!
[05:04] <r4y> It says it's not installed
[05:05] <holstein> r4y: gparted tells you the RCA is not installed?
[05:05] <holstein> or you only find your hard drive there?
[05:05] <r4y> no the terminal says gparted is not installed
[05:05] <holstein> r4y: you might have to install it
[05:06] <r4y> OK
[05:06] <r4y> sudo apt-get install gparted I presume?
[05:06] <holstein> r4y: however you install software
[05:06] <r4y> Or aptude, I messed the spelling up
[05:06] <holstein> no need though... if its not seen, it wont mount
[05:06] <r4y> I use apt-get normally
[05:07] <r4y> OK, now what?
[05:08] <holstein> r4y: i say, you do nothing, and return or exchange the device
[05:08] <r4y> "/dev/sda" all the way
[05:08] <holstein> right
[05:08] <r4y> ending with numbers
[05:08] <r4y> No, I know a few things
[05:09] <r4y> I was just making sure I am drawing the right conclusion from what I am seeing.
[05:10] <holstein> r4y: you are seeing nothing.. so it cant boot
[05:10] <holstein> you can try unplug and replug
[05:11] <r4y> I have tried many things like that
[05:12] <r4y> The manual said to remove batteries to reset it so I did that
[05:12] <r4y> I tried leaving it in when restarting
[05:13] <r4y> I've tried starting for listening and plugging it in
[05:13] <holstein> i would say, return it... then if that doesnt work, exchange again... throw that manual out, and just never plug it in windows
[05:14] <r4y> TY for trying. I need to move on. This has caused me too much headache.
[05:14] <holstein> sure.. assuming you are allowed to 'move on', thats what i would do
[05:15] <r4y> Well, if I can't return it the files that I put on it still play, and I can always get a different mp3 player as well.
[05:16] <r4y> I have been trying to fix this thing all day. I am almost sick from it. I have to move on.
[05:16] <holstein> r4y: good luck!
[05:17] <r4y> Thank you. And thank you for the recommended channel. 2 people have already suggested mp3 players to try out
[05:18] <r4y> It was suggested as well to check for an mp3 player that works with rockbox
[05:18] <holstein> yup.. i like rockbox
[05:18] <r4y> I am finally free. Thank you very much.
[12:56] <Culiforge> Hi all, getting my system straightened out (again!) trying to fix synaptic not fixing/installing packages.
[12:56] <Culiforge> http://paste.ubuntu.com/794825/
[12:57] <Culiforge> didn't ask for these packages but I assume they're dependencies of some sort
[20:42] <mybox1776> Is this channel dead?
[20:44] <holstein> mybox1776: acutally quite active... feel free and check the /topic... its an official support channel, so its for support questions... there is an OT channel for chatter
[20:45] <pauliax> hello, i need to begin with ubuntu, but i can't becouse ubuntu disk 11.10 don't recognizes gigabyte p35-ds3 RAID-0 hard diskcs, can someone help me?
[20:46] <holstein> pauliax: maybe you want to just install to a USB stick to begin... or install it inside virtualbox... feel free to hang out, maybe someone has more experience with that hardware
[20:48] <pauliax> no i don't need it on virtual disk, why shoold i, i need an operating system, and i dont want one more hdd
[20:50] <holstein> pauliax: ah... right one... well feel free and wait for someone who can help you install to that array natively... ill google around and post if i find something...
[20:51] <pauliax> i dont find anyfing, but i am bad googler :(
[20:54] <holstein> pauliax: im not seeing anything that makes me think it should not be supported. feel free to elaborate as to the errors you are experiencing, or try the 10.04 LTS (long term support) version
[20:55] <holstein> if it were my hardware, i would try and boot live and see how everything is supported
[20:56] <pauliax> everything else is suported because - before raid it was working
[20:56] <holstein> i would assume it might be something to do with the way you have the array configured then
[20:57] <holstein> again, you'd just need to elaborate as to what and how it worked, and what you think broke it and how
[21:00] <pauliax> i broke it because, i formated disk. pluged second disk - made array, installed w7 (whatever it is) on second partition, i tryed install ubuntu - and it dont saw disk or partitions - att all - sorry for eanglish
[21:02] <holstein> pauliax: i would poke around on the forums for someone with that hardware, and see how they are dual booting on it... in not sure what happens there... i would also try the alternate installer, and as i suggested before, 10.04..
[21:04] <pauliax> how alternate installer - what is it? diferent version? sorry i dont understand?
[21:04] <holstein> pauliax: its a different verion of the installer
[21:04] <holstein> version*
[21:04] <holstein> i would try the alternate iso from here http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[21:05] <holstein> that will help you further diagnose as you are waiting and looking around
[21:05] <pauliax> thanks
[21:05] <holstein> you might also try #ubuntu-server ... or somewhere else where hardware like that would come up...
[21:07] <pauliax> i still think its gigabyte (not very friendly) RAID-0 driver missing, but thanks for your time
[21:09] <holstein> pauliax: might not be friendly, but if you saw it before, that doesnt explain the issue
[21:09] <holstein> if you saw it, and all was well.. then you reconfigured, and its not working.. its safe to assume its not the hardware, but in the configuring
[21:12] <pauliax> hello, i need to begin with ubuntu, but i can't becouse ubuntu disk 11.10 don't recognizes gigabyte p35-ds3 RAID-0 hard diskcs, can someone help me?
[21:12] <pauliax> ups, sorry
[21:13] <pauliax> http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
[21:13] <holstein> pauliax: it *did* recognize it though... maybe you can go back to that, and work from there
[21:14] <holstein> pauliax: when starting the google search that way, it doesnt work well since it seems (and your data backs this up) that ubuntu *does* support that hardware
[21:15] <holstein> i was proposing that something in the configuration is not presenting itself to ubuntu 11.10, but might work with the LTS version, 10.04
[21:17] <pauliax> can you please show me where you saw it?
[21:17] <holstein> the 10.04 version?.. http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[21:18] <pauliax> btw 10.04 is better no gnome3
[21:19] <holstein> better is a matter of opionion... you can also try the upcoming 12.04 LTS version live and see if it shows up for you
[21:29] <mybox1776> Hi there.  Is there any way to modify the "dash home" _ The slider task bar thingy that pops out from the left side. I would like to 'lock it' in place and and also place it at the bottom. In system settings I cannot find a spot to make this change.
[21:29] <mybox1776> Placing it like a mac setup.
[21:30] <mybox1776> Any help would be appreciated
[21:31] <holstein> mybox1776: this is 11.10? with the unity UI?
[21:31] <mybox1776> Linux mybox1776 3.0.0-12-generic #20-Ubuntu SMP Fri Oct 7 14:56:25 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[21:31] <mybox1776> I believe so. Newest dwnld from site and install. And just ran all updates
[21:32] <mybox1776> fresh clean install on Sony laptop...fdiskd' and formatted
[21:35] <mybox1776> Also any time I try to run apt-get install XYZ, I get  "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[21:35] <mybox1776> "
[21:35] <holstein> mybox1776: i am not a unity user my self.. i know customizing it can be challengin... you might want to ask in #ubuntu, but feel free to hang here and wait
[21:35] <holstein> mybox1776: thats likely just because another package manager is open.. you can look for, and turn off the updater
[21:35] <mybox1776> so I do  su apt-get install XYZ (whetever) and get Unknown id: apt-get
[21:35] <holstein> you need sudo apt-get install
[21:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[21:36] <holstein> sudo apt-get install whatever
[21:36] <mybox1776> ah, it;s not SU?
[21:37] <holstein> mybox1776: sudo is what we have
[21:37] <holstein> !sudo
[21:37] <ubot2`> sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo
[21:37] <mybox1776> hmmm  seemed to work on other installs...  awesome..  ok.
[21:38] <holstein> mybox1776: you can set it up where su will work AFAIK, but sudo is the way to go
[21:40] <mybox1776> Good to know.  I have also been struggling w/ my capture card - (hauppauge!) WinTV-HVR 850 (USB)  Ubuntu seems to detect it...  (when I run lsusb) I get :  Bus 002 Device 003: ID 2040:b140 Hauppauge
[21:41] <mybox1776> but, I assume, like in Windows, I need to attach drivers to it to work in say, MythTV or other TV apps so I can watch broadcast TV?
[21:41] <holstein> assume nothing
[21:42] <mybox1776> Like TVTime... MeTV - all these devices want to detect as a device to use is my onboard laptop webcam
[21:42] <holstein> most things are plug and play (literally), but with specialized hardware like that its hard to say...i would search the myth supported devices
[21:44] <mybox1776> Yeah, Its supported w/ this latest Kern. And from what others have said, the drivers will work (I know, assume nothing) but...
[21:45] <holstein> mybox1776: cool.. so it'll 'just work' then
[21:46] <mybox1776> hehe A lot of my Linux guys at work say that a lot.. "it just works"
[21:47] <mybox1776> Ihave found other wise in a few instances...   but I'm learning
[21:47] <holstein> yup... it'll either just work, or it'll be a pain
[21:52] <mybox1776> I have found that with this new install, Ubuntu Software Center takes a good long time to load all the time...and I dont have much installed, default. I have 4gb of ram installed and after I open Firefox and maybe a few terminals doing nothing...  I see that I only have like 650MB free mem left. Even my Windows 7 install afer book left me w/ 2gb
[21:53] <mybox1776> is this verzion of the xwindow a little more bloated?
[21:53] <holstein> maybe... i dont use unity
[21:54] <mybox1776> yeah $ free -g  says 3GB used --
[21:54] <holstein> im mostly running 10.04 as well... that was the last LTS (long term support), the next release, 12.03 is an lts as well
[21:54] <mybox1776> can I scrap unity easily?
[21:54] <holstein> though, i have several testing versions of 11.10 and 12.04 with other UI's
[21:55] <mybox1776> how can I tell what version I have?
[21:55] <holstein> mybox1776: sure.. its all open... you can do what you like... the term 'easily' may be a bit elastic though
[21:55] <mybox1776> tru
[21:56] <holstein> most folks try XFCE... in theory, you run sudo apt-get install xubuntu-destop, and logout or reboot and select "xubuntu session"
[21:56] <holstein> but i would do some research, and also, just generally 'get your feet wet'
[21:56] <holstein> i mean, you got more ram free than i have in most of my machines ;)
[21:57] <mybox1776> Unable to locate package xubuntu-destop
[21:57] <holstein> yup... thats what we call a 'fat-finger
[21:58] <holstein> i suggest you *dont* just willy-nilly run that command though
[21:58] <Unit193> oCean: Hey
[21:58] <holstein> its xubuntu-desktop though
[21:58] <mybox1776> hehe
[21:58]  * holstein mistyped it
[21:58] <mybox1776> I copied it from you hehehe
[21:58] <mybox1776> :)
[21:59] <holstein> toally my bad
[21:59] <mybox1776> sall' good
[21:59] <oCean> Hi Unit193
[21:59] <Unit193> There's always !purexfce too
[22:00] <holstein> Unit193: thats probably better to just try it out right?
[22:00] <holstein> mybox1776: you can always download the live CD's for xubuntu, or the others, and try them without effecting your install
[22:01] <Unit193> In VM or otherwise
[22:01] <Unit193> holstein: Well, it gets as close as you can to "uninstall" the other bits
[22:01] <mybox1776> yup - I was actually on xbuntu before  but I had problems w/ it - I think it just got messed up along the way - session manager would crash...my screen saver would kick in and when i try to log in my authentication would fail.
[22:02] <mybox1776> So, I reformatted and started over. I do like XFCE tho...
[22:02] <holstein> well, if you are used to it already...
[22:31] <mybox1776> holstein:  xfce so much better...
[22:31] <mybox1776> I actually was uselkyd to Kbuntu - but I like this.  Seems less bu
[22:31] <holstein> mybox1776: cool :) ... i just didnt want you to do something drastic you wouldnt be comfortable with...
[22:31] <mybox1776> Apps load MUCH quicker
[22:32] <mybox1776> tis' why I used the word "bloated"  Unity seems as such.
[22:32] <holstein> the #xubuntu channel is quite active as well
[22:33] <mybox1776> I bet a lot of people (mostly Windows users) would like Xfce a lot...  seems "familiar" and its a mix of style like mac/windows/linux
[22:33] <mybox1776> thanks for the command to install
[22:34] <holstein> mybox1776: anytime... enjoy!
[22:37] <mybox1776> the developers might want to move the "log out" icon/button which sits next to applications menu. easily "clickable"
[22:37] <mybox1776> Thx again.  Now, on to getting my card to work! (Haupauge)