[09:49] <iceroot> are we facing some kernel-panics on boot about io.c incorrect and upstart cant start on 12.04 after latest dist-upgrade? (cant do launchpad-searching atm)
[10:02] <htorque> iceroot: there have been some reports on UF: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1904842
[10:16] <iceroot> htorque: thank you, thats the issue i am facing, i willl create an bug on this
[11:55] <brendand> todays precise installer is crashing?
[11:55] <brendand> is that a known issue?
[13:39] <jibel> brendand, bug 912563 maybe ?
[13:39] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912563 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Precise) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity crashed with AttributeError in _decode_value(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'decode' (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912563
[13:39] <brendand> jibel - don't think so. anyway i tried again and it didn't happen
[13:39]  * brendand shrugs
[14:15] <hggdh> jibel: redsocks just made it into Debian. Since DebianImportFreeze is next week, we should not need to request a sync, right?
[14:15] <hggdh> jibel: and good morning
[14:16] <jibel> good morning hggdh
[14:16] <jibel> hggdh, I'm really not mastering sync rules. sorry
[14:28] <hggdh> jibel: no prob, will check
[17:22] <philobyte> bot asked me to pick a package for bug 912787.  Bug involve system crash hang.  Dunno whether the item at fault is 3d display driver related, drm related, or kernel related.
[17:22] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912787 in ubuntu "minecraft causes system hang/crash on 2500k (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912787
[17:22] <philobyte> ideas for how to decide?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> If the bug is in minecraft/caused by minecraft, why wouldn't it be a minecraft bug?
[17:25] <hggdh> philobyte: hum. It seems it is driven by some sort of minecraft's behaviour, but trashing the system is unusual
[17:27] <hggdh> philobyte: suggestion: repeat the issue, then, (1) run htop, and kill SEGV minecraft (2) open a bug via the apport crash dialog, and make 912787 a dup of it
[17:28] <hggdh> but charlie-tca is correct, a first approach is to assign it to minecraft
[17:59] <philobyte> hggdh: OK done, new bug 912787
[17:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912787 in ubuntu "minecraft causes system hang/crash on 2500k (dup-of: 912863)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912787
[17:59] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912863 in ubuntu "Xorg freeze - minecraft full screen (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912863
[18:14] <hggdh> philobyte: how did you collect the data for this bug?
[18:14] <hggdh> if it was frozen... when?
[18:28] <philobyte> hggdh: rebooted, and it prompted to enter a bug report.  however one element crashed (apport.something something to do with graphics- intel
[18:29] <philobyte> hggdh: since rebooted, did apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; then reproduced in a few minutes. now it just hangs, cannot do ps and no response to ping.
[18:30] <hggdh> philobyte: which component prompted for a crash report?
[18:30] <philobyte> hggdh: xorg
[18:30] <philobyte> hggdh: I think... not really sure..
[18:30] <hggdh> so why did the bug get assigned to Ubuntu instead of xorg?
[18:31] <hggdh> you overrode it?
[18:31] <philobyte> hggdh: because I ¨knew better¨ yup.
[18:31] <hggdh> right. Unfortunately, I would guess you did not, not really ;-)
[18:32] <hggdh> look at /var/crash, and see what apport reports you have there
[18:34] <philobyte> hggdh: un-huh... four reports from xserver-xorg-video-intel from January 2nd..one from a few minutes ago from chromium browser, another from jan 2 about update-manager
[18:34] <hggdh> darn! nothing really applicable
[18:34] <philobyte> also.  /var/crash/.lock is there, dated 13h07 (currently 13h34.)
[18:35] <hggdh> philobyte: we will need to repeat -- we have to get the data *before* you reboot, and -- consequently -- before the system freezes
[18:35] <philobyte> so run apport-bug now?
[18:36] <hggdh> no, there is nothing wrong on your system right now
[18:36] <philobyte> ok... the suspense is killing me... what are you suggesting I do?
[18:37] <philobyte> I can log in remotely with minecraft running, before it hangs?
[18:37] <bil21al> bdmurray: please set its importance  to medium  and also triage it  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/empathy/+bug/900921
[18:37] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 900921 in empathy (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "can't create new conversations from the contact list (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:38] <hggdh> philobyte: yes, this should help. We need to identify which component is getting lost (I am guessing, right now, either the kernel or Xorg)
[18:40] <bdmurray> bil21al: medium although its wishlist upstream?
[18:42] <bil21al> bdmurray: ohh sorry sorry sorry yes yes its wishlist in upstream it would be  opinion in downstream
[18:42] <bil21al> actually there is another bug in front of me
[18:43] <bil21al> so
[18:43] <bil21al> and wishlist would be importance
[18:44] <bdmurray> I'm not sure opinion is the best status as then it won't show up in default searches so it will be harder for people to find
[18:44] <bdmurray> which then invites more duplicates
[18:45] <hggdh> bdmurray: let's leave it as medium, then?
[18:46] <philobyte> hggdh: ok submitted two more, once just after starting minecraft, other one, is now in hang state, but remote session still works, not rebooting for now (using laptop for this session)
[18:47] <bil21al> hmm than set triage in status and  imp wishlist
[18:47] <bdmurray> hggdh: medium is an importance and opinion is a status. ;-)
[18:48] <bdmurray> bil21al: done, thanks!
[18:48] <bil21al> bdmurray:thanks to u
[18:48] <hggdh> bdmurray: duh.
[18:49] <hggdh> bdmurray: it should then be wontfix, since upstream will not fix it (they are relying on the haze transition)
[18:49] <karni> Hi guys. Could you please confirm I should have assigned this to unity rather than compiz? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/912885 Thank you.
[18:49] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912885 in unity (Ubuntu) "Newly opened eog window does not gain focus. (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[18:50] <karni> It's a really frustrating bug, and I'm wondering if my compiz/unity config is broken and I can clean it up somehow, or it's a real bug.
[18:50] <karni> Cheers
[18:52] <philobyte> hggdg: anything you want me to do while I have the system half-hung (minecraft is hung, but my remote session is ok?)
[18:54] <hggdh> philobyte: if you can issue commands remotely, check dmesg for a kernel OOPS/bug: dmesg|less
[18:54] <hggdh> philobyte: and see if you can pinpoint an OOPS
[18:54] <hggdh> or anything "weird"
[18:55] <philobyte> hggh:  cpu backtraces, one after the other?
[18:58] <hggdh> philobyte: for example
[18:58] <hggdh> if you see them, then we have a linux (this is the kernel) bug
[19:05] <philobyte> hggdh: OK added it to bug 912863
[19:05] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912863 in ubuntu "Xorg freeze - minecraft full screen (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912863
[19:06] <hggdh> philobyte: not good enough ;-)
[19:07] <philobyte> hggdh:  also, this time, the sound hangs ... not enough... what is needed?
[19:07] <hggdh> philobyte: run 'apport-collect 912863' from the remote session. I already re-tasked the bug to the kernel
[19:12] <hggdh> philobyte: there is a slew of different data we need for kernel bugs
[19:16] <philobyte> hggdh: I dunno, the apport-bug thing stuck me into a curses-based browser to authenticate... succeeded, but just had a logged in screen... the report didn't make it into the report...
[19:26] <philobyte> hggdh: OK second time, got through it ok.  bug updated
[19:27] <philobyte> bug 912863 updated
[19:27] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912863 in linux (Ubuntu) "Xorg freeze - minecraft full screen (affects: 1) (dups: 1) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912863
[19:28] <philobyte> hggdh: anything else useful to collect?
[19:30] <hggdh> philobyte: a description of what you were doing (already there), and what you did to grab the data
[19:31] <hggdh> philobyte: if you cannot access the system locally but are still able to do so remotely, this is a good bit of info
[19:37] <philobyte> hggdh: ok added two comments about that.
[20:21] <hggdh> philobyte: there is a request to try it with the new kernel (3.2.0-8)
[21:15] <philobyte> hggdh:  The kernel upgrade actually fixed it.  My kernel was still at 3.0.0 because whenever I did apt-get upgrade, the kernel was being kept-back.  forced it forward, and the new kernel is ok, or at least it will take more effort to provoke the issue.
[21:15] <philobyte> hgghd:  thank you!
[21:25] <hggdh> philobyte: cool! Please add this comment in the bug, and mark it invalid (at least for now)
[21:25] <micahg> philobyte: you generally want a dist-upgrade instead of an upgrade to get those newer packages like kernels
[21:43] <hggdh> or to use update-manager (or use synaptic, and be very careful on what you upgrade)-- dist-upgrade *can* break your system
[22:14] <micahg> philobyte: ^^ yes, see what hggdh said
[23:17] <bkerensa> bdmurray: You know in the logout/shutdown/sys settings indicator it has a field called "Software is up to date" well I noticed in 12.04 if you do a sudo apt-get update and their are new updates it doesnt immediatly update that field to "Updates Available"
[23:17] <bdmurray> bkerensa: do you know about how long it takes?
[23:19] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I'm not sure I just noticed but I have update-manager open and it shows I have updates available but the indicator thing is not reflecting updates available and its been 10 mins now
[23:19] <bkerensa> if I knew what that indicator package was I could report a bug
[23:20] <bdmurray> bkerensa: I'm guessing its indicator-session
[23:21] <bdmurray> I used 'ps aux | grep indicator'
[23:21] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I also noticed that I cannot take screenshots when I have indicator-session toggled :(
[23:22] <bdmurray> bkerensa: gnome-screenshot --delay=seconds
[23:28] <bkerensa> bdmurray: I have filed bug #912971
[23:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 912971 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "indicator-session inaccurately reports "Software Up to Date" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/912971
[23:29] <bdmurray> bkerensa: cool, thanks
[23:32] <bkerensa> bdmurray: Eventually I hope to apply for control.. I had applied months ago but got denied so I kind of have avoided applying again :)
[23:32] <bkerensa> I think its actually been a year now