[08:05] hello all [08:14] http://www.fieldcandy.com/original/rulebritannia.htm [08:14] Morning earthlings. [08:15] \o TheOpenSourcerer [08:42] watchout, TheOpenSourcerer is in overlord mood today [08:43] danfish: Alan Overlord? ;) [08:47] MartijnVdS: exactly [08:48] :-) [08:59] morning all [09:02] o/ [09:05] good morning [09:05] morning [09:14] Morning [09:15] hiya [09:16] rather chuffed to discover that today is friday! [09:17] woot [09:17] * hoover agrees with oimon [09:17] oimon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 ? [09:17] doesn't dare click [09:17] in case of... [09:17] oimon: it's not Rick A. [09:17] It's that Friday song, isn't it? [09:17] Worse than a Rick-Roll, she is. [09:19] i prefer ham roll [09:24] Hmm: http://www.medievalcookery.com [09:30] good morning everyone, [09:34] \o brobostigonman [09:34] morning lovelies [09:34] o/ MartijnVdS [09:34] morning christel [09:36] how's tricks? :) [09:37] christel: not so hot, my eczema is pretty bad, and have an emergency appointment with my doctor at 11am. and you? [09:39] anyone know how to use acsm file in linux to get an ebook? [09:41] oimon: Will they not just open as a though it was a pdf file? [09:41] DJones: no :( [09:41] acsm? [09:42] http://ebookreadersoftware.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/acsm-files-what-they-are-and-how-to-work-with-them/ [09:42] ah.. DRM-encumbered? [09:42] what a nightmare [09:43] i wondre in adobe digital editions is even available on linux [09:43] brobostigon: auchies! i hope they give you something that helps -- i am not too bad! trying to wrap up a dreadful job by the deadline (noon) and looking forward to kicking back afterwards :) [09:43] oimon: I don't think it is, although I think i can be installed under wine [09:43] DRM sucks [09:44] non-standard file formats suck worse [09:44] christel: me too, yes, thank you. good luck, :), and then treat yourself with something nice to reward yourself. [09:44] A bit old but may help http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-701191.html [09:45] there's no way this will allow book sto be read on an ebook reader [09:46] Which ereader? I got a kono touch for Christmas and I ended up activating that via windows and then donloading some books via the kobo website, they seem fine although I think they may be drm'd epubs [09:46] kobo even [09:47] I want to read an ebook from the library on a kindle [09:48] the acsm file appears to be a file that gives you the right to download the book, not the book itself [09:49] brobostigon: i shall indeed! :) [09:50] i thought calibre had plugins to strip drm from anything [09:50] popey: not in the default (apt-get) install [09:51] for obvious reasons [09:51] no, not in the default install [09:51] also said plugins don't work with the newest release [09:51] luckily they all have standalone versions [09:51] popey: I think the problem is that the acsm file isn't the book itself, just the right to download it into digital additions [09:51] ah [09:52] I love how Amazon's Kindle works/integrates with the on-line store [09:52] no messing around with crappy PC software [09:53] just click "Buy" and get it delivered over wifi [09:53] I was susprised to learn that the Kindle doesn't support epub, but everything else about it seems to work well. [09:53] MartijnVdS: Same with the kobo, their website does the same [09:53] DJones: it auto-downloads to Kindles? [09:53] MartijnVdS: No, just to the kobo readers [09:54] android market and itunes work exactly the same way [09:54] it's hardly unique [09:55] you would think the a library would make it easy to borrow (e)books... [09:55] why would you want to borrow an ebook? [09:55] ali1234: The fact that it's not unique doesn't make it a bad user experience though ;) [09:55] ali1234: not necessarily anyway [09:55] ali1234: to read it [09:55] if it takes < 2 weeks to read a book, why buy it? [09:55] i also wish to respect the laws of the coutnry [09:56] if it takes less than 2 minutes to make a copy you can keep forever, why borrow it? [09:56] Good morning all. :) [09:56] ali1234: ethics [09:57] that's the most pointless ethical decision ever [09:57] the end result is exactly the same [09:57] except that one is "right" and one is "wrong" by the law [09:57] you keep it forever anyway, just in a slightly soggier storage format [09:57] the law doesn't define what is right and wrong [09:58] it just defines things you can and cannot be punished for [10:01] I think just because you can, doesn't mean you should. If you need the book for something you're going to refer to once and never use again, borrow it, or copy the epub and delete it afterwards. If it's worth keeping, it's worth paying the author for their efforts. [10:02] i will of course complain the library for having such a ridiculous system.. [10:03] not that it will achieve anything [10:03] Frustrating, isn't it? [10:04] yeah :( [10:08] currently installing mono for windows in wine :-\ [10:13] oimon: which application requires this? [10:13] /mono/ for windows? not even .NET? [10:13] adobe digital editions dwatkins [10:13] i'm getting tied in know [10:13] knots [10:13] oimon: oh right, I've not used it but I can imagine. [10:18] chaps [10:18] when i press the touch pad on my laptop, the unity dash appears as if I have pressed the super key [10:18] any ideas how to debug this, it's highly annoying [10:18] the dash randomly appears when my fingers go near the touchpad [10:18] is your mouse pointer on the top icon? [10:18] of the sidebar [10:19] no [10:19] oimon: you may find you get an "error converting license" even running ADE under Wine, in which case you might have to just cheat :-/ [10:19] * oimon cries [10:19] i.e. run windows in a virtual machine, of course [10:19] not that I would suggest cracking the drm or anything with calibre [10:20] I refuse to use that app, the person who wrote it is full of bile. [10:20] which app? [10:20] calibre? [10:20] as MartijnVdS says [10:20] how so? [10:20] the UI is awful too [10:21] popey: I don't need to use it, thankfully, but there was a long thread on launchpad about it mounting filesystems [10:21] we put the UI argument to him, he said its deliberate because its aimed at non-computer users [10:21] oh that [10:21] he deliberately made all the icons look like fisherprice? [10:21] he fixed some things, but was rather unopleasant about it all [10:21] hey, what's wrong with Fisher Price? ;) [10:21] because that's what non-cmputer users like? [10:21] well people were pretty off to him [10:21] non-computer users? But it's a computer app! [10:21] you know what i mean [10:21] non-experts [10:21] :) [10:21] normals [10:22] yeah [10:22] muggles [10:22] yeah [10:22] Everything is a computer app now [10:22] also the UI is not good for beginners [10:22] getting closer [10:22] i can see the book inside digital editions [10:22] it's too complicated. too many toolbars [10:22] there are those of us who run an IRC client from the command line whilst listening to the ambient sounds of the starship enterprise, and there are (at the other end of the scale) those who believe the internet is facebook ;) [10:22] * dwatkins whistles innocently with his headphones on [10:22] hahah [10:23] Too much complexity is bad. Think of the magic number 7 plus or minus 2 [10:23] speaking of which [10:23] dwatkins: /ctcp sound tada.wav [10:23] can't seem to get the pdf/epub out of the software though [10:23] i was remotely controlling my motehr in laws xp machine last night [10:23] occupy64k: five is right out! [10:23] i suggested she use something other than IE [10:23] We have had the new software centre icon for what, six months or so now? i still sometimes click it to open nautilus [10:23] i already had chrome on the box, and opened it [10:23] she said 'yes, but how will i get the internet on this' [10:23] popey: oh my [10:23] so i set her homepage to yahoo.com and she was fine [10:24] thats how normals see it [10:24] gord: i removed it from the launcher. now i don't accidentally click it [10:24] My dad is the same, he calls every browser "Google" because thats what his home page is [10:24] i replaced it by synaptic :/ [10:24] ahah...finally have a drm encumbered epub to work with [10:24] that reminds me, I have a minimalist homepage to fill with links: http://rowla.dyndns.org/ [10:25] i actually like the software centre, so i don't really want to remove it, just wish it had a slightly different icon :) [10:25] i don't care for it. it takes far too long to load [10:25] and there's no feedback when it's doing something [10:25] it sure does, but still prefer it myself [10:25] i like the reviews [10:26] by the time i have loaded a package manager i already know what i wwant to install [10:26] thus reviews are useless, except maybe as something to read while i wait for it to install [10:26] its like for example, my dad knows other mp3 players exist, and tablets exist, but still generalises them as ipods and ipads. [10:27] going back to calibre, someone say i have to download the deb from the site to get it to strip drm? [10:27] no [10:27] don't use calibre to strip DRM, it doesn't work in the new versions [10:27] the plugins are not updated [10:27] and there was me worried I was reccomending a "naughty" application... [10:28] instead, you should just go to the plugin site, and get the standalone version that only needs python and operates from the command line [10:28] oimon: can you get the book in PDF format and just e-mail it to your converter address? [10:28] oh wait, it this for Kindle? [10:28] I can't seem to find a xen kernel in the oneiric repos. Is it happy to be a domu out of the box? [10:28] dwatkins: yep [10:28] ok, yeah - get a PDF if you can [10:29] i have a drm'd epub, which won't work on kindle [10:29] I just got k4mobidedrm from some website, seems to work without much hassle. [10:29] but you need to give it some serial number from the kindle so I'm not sure it can strip arbitrary epubs [10:29] right [10:30] if you can get the publisher to provide an un DRM'ed PDF then great, but I'm guessing they'll just say "use a windows" [10:30] what does windows or PDF have to do with this? [10:30] i don't see the problem [10:30] either they support kindle or not [10:31] if they do then there's no problem, if they don't windows isn;t going to help you [10:31] the strange thing is that it says kindle is supported: http://llc.lib.overdrive.com/8052AA76-52FD-4468-88C3-6F95BB52CBAC/10/544/en/Default.htm [10:31] ah yes, ADE won't upload to the kindle :-/ [10:32] so can you just get the PDF from there, oimon? [10:32] oimon: From the help on that site Note: Amazon Kindle does not currently support DRM-protected Adobe eBooks. [10:32] no, kindle is supported for "US libraries only" [10:32] or is there some other way to send the book to your Kindle? [10:32] DJones: agh [10:33] so you can't legally borrow those books and read them on kindle [10:35] what an absolute fail [10:35] hmm, is it impossible to get totem to loop a video without writin a shell script? [10:35] I guess from Amazons point of view, they sell the kindle, they sell books, its not in their interests to allow books they've not distributed to be installed to read [10:36] popey: you can hand craft a playlist file instead [10:36] i think you can anyway [10:36] i see no option to do it [10:36] oh, you think you can craft a playlist, gotcha [10:36] DJones: it's also the library's fault for choosing such a convoluted way of doing things [10:36] yeah you have to write a playlist with a text editor [10:36] thats crappy [10:36] yeah that's totem for you [10:37] what about "repeat mode" from the menu? [10:38] ah [10:40] seems to work for me [10:42] ta [10:42] stupid name for a menu option ☺ [10:43] oimon: Its probably more the publishers saying that if you want to lend ebooks, they have to be drm encumbered to avoid people just copying it & redistributing it, are there any other methods of encrypting that are suitable [10:45] oimon: Maybe one of these ebook lending libraries may have a different method http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/EBook_Lending_Libraries#United_Kingdom [10:47] It's nice when somebody replies to a forum post I made in August 2010 to say that it helped them [10:47] Hey Biggie [10:47] My code is still relevant! [10:47] Hiya hoovie :) [10:47] * hoover received a thank you comment on his wp blog for some lyrics I had written down in 2009 ;-) [10:51] hmm it's that time of day when it's too late to have breakfast and too early to have lunch [10:51] and i;m really hungry [10:51] wat do? [10:51] Have a banana [10:51] i've run out [10:51] Or chew gum [10:53] drink water [10:53] or chew water [10:53] or drink gum? [10:53] I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubblegum [10:54] who remembers blue bubble gum flavour drink? [10:54] in the plastic carton with foil top [10:54] I remember it existing, I don't remember ever trying it [10:54] i tried it one time [10:55] also many times i stamped on the empty containers to make a loud noise [10:55] :D [10:55] i did that recently while on the field and my ears were ringing [10:55] = old man [10:56] those air bubbles you get from ebuyer make a really loud noise if you pop them [10:57] http://www.sweetsncandy.co.uk/proddetail.asp?prod=BUBCUP024 [10:57] YES [10:57] Odd man [10:58] and it's barely even more expensive [10:58] No Artificial Colours - that shade of blue does not look natural to me [10:58] LOL [10:58] Reminds me of the blue milk in A New Hope [10:58] there's not much in nature that is blue [10:58] that you can eat [10:59] * bigcalm ponders having blue wale for lunch [11:01] Colour: (Brilliant Blue FCF) [11:01] "It is a synthetic dye produced using aromatic hydrocarbons from petroleum." [11:01] bigcalm: blue whalefor lunch? What's the number for the WWF again? ;) [11:02] there's a man outside my window. [11:02] i'm on the 10th floor [11:03] Open the window [11:03] Invite him in for tea [11:03] oimon: is he wearing a cape and y-fronts? [11:03] i have the blinds closed, so can only see a silhouette [11:04] Creepy [11:15] finally got the book in kindle format [11:16] required wine+ ADE, python for windows, pycrypto for windows, calibre, and calibre intepteub plugin [11:16] groovy, how did you manage it oimon? [11:16] wow, that's quite convuluted [11:16] i daren't tell the missis how long it just took [11:16] * dwatkins gives oimon a cookie [11:16] if you don't she might assume it was easy and expect you to do this all the time ;) [11:16] it also means i have to login to my work PC to convert bokos in future [11:18] wine is great when it works [11:19] red wine is best [11:19] i've also been playing with cinnamon desktop - anyone wanna see? [11:19] morning all [11:19] czajkowski: when you off? [11:19] is that the desktop from the past? [11:20] or the desktop from the future masquerading as the desktop from the past? [11:20] popey: it's gnome3/gnome shell based [11:20] the latter [11:20] mate is the desktop from the past [11:20] thats it [11:20] cinnamon is quite nice [11:20] oimon: Now you need to do a second book to see how long it actually takes now all the software is installed [11:20] i did enjoy popey's comment about all these DE's just being different places for icons, i do believe i'll be stealing that and claiming it as my own [11:20] DJones: <5 mins [11:21] i even took a screencast in 1080p format to please popey [11:22] what did you use to record it ? [11:22] i discovered that if you mux a ogv file and a ogg music, the resulting length of the ogv is only as long as the shorter of the two [11:22] gtk-recordmydesktop [11:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDysd_aBqqo [11:24] pretty though it is, I can't see a future for it [11:24] where'd the music come from? [11:24] it's in the description [11:24] oh [11:25] popey: do you try muxing audio track onto screencast without transcoding? [11:25] no [11:25] i dont put music them [11:25] i talk in them [11:26] either way...ah you use recordmydesktop to collect to audio at the same time [11:28] but it's mostly .js stuff to tweak gnome shell...http://paste.ubuntu.com/794747/ [11:32] Good morning uk [11:32] morning [11:32] Hey MooDoo :) [11:32] s-fox: how are ya [11:32] MooDoo, https://twitter.com/#!/_Silver_Fox_/status/155248794978627584 [11:32] Creeped out? [11:32] no oimon i dont use recordmydesktop [11:32] s-fox: yes i just read it on twitter, sent you a DM but as usual i'm ignored ;) [11:33] How are you MooDoo ? [11:33] s-fox: very well thank you :) i'd say you're ok, albeit a little creeped out lol [11:40] Good luck czajkowski hope you feel better missing you already, prod! [11:40] morning davmor2 [11:40] hey MooDoo me owld Mucka how's life up t'north [11:41] davmor2: crackin lad.... [11:41] Hello davmor2 :) [11:41] MooDoo: I so expected Gromit after crackin then ;) [11:41] s-fox: How do [11:42] I'm okay thanks. Just been going over the google analytics on my blog. Haha [11:42] How are you doing? [11:42] Fair to middling [11:42] does it show OS breakdown s-fox? [11:43] oimon, Yes [11:43] what sort of split do you get win/mac/lin/ios/android/other? [11:43] Let me work it out, give me 5 mins :D [11:45] sorry :-\ [11:48] oimon, I have the stats [11:48] 45% gnu/linux [11:48] 45% microsoft windows [11:48] does android count as linux? [11:48] 9.7% apple mac [11:49] 0.3% other (ios & android) [11:50] MartijnVdS ^ [11:57] mobile traffic seems v low [11:58] a lot of my browsing is done on the train [11:58] i guess it depends on the type of site really [11:58] I like the theme on your blog, s-fox [11:58] ...and the little space invader I can destroy [11:59] i don't think mobile traffic will ever beat the "bored at the office" traffic ;) [11:59] * dwatkins hides his tabs [11:59] using a phone then is too obvious [11:59] Exactly oimon, my blog has no real specific purpose. Just a collection of whatever I am thinking / doing. [11:59] I like that :D [11:59] sounds much like mine, s-fox :) [12:00] I should also probably puplish another community interview. I have a couple ready to go [12:00] lol [12:00] publish [12:00] * dwatkins learns who Em is [12:01] Em caused quite a stir when I asked her if she would like to participate. [12:01] oh yes? [12:01] It got a reaction, check the comments. ;) [12:01] I joined the channel, but it was very busy and moved too fast for me to multitask and participate [12:02] heh [12:02] quite the diverse collection of reactions, yes [12:03] dwatkins, Yes indeed. [12:04] That channel has over 100 people in it at any given point in time, all with ubuntu in common. And it is not official. That is surely a part of the community. [12:08] So, today is friday. Anyone got plans for the weekend ? [12:08] clear out the garage, take laddo to the pictures and take lots of photos [12:10] hang on, what's club-ubuntu? [12:10] ahaha [12:10] ho ho ho [12:10] lol [12:10] is it real? [12:10] very [12:10] fsvo real ;) [12:10] its an irc channel [12:10] how did you hear about it oimon ? [12:10] It is borderline nsfw at the best of times. [12:11] popey: i'm just reading why the interview on s-fox blog caused consternation [12:11] "for those that do not know Em is the founder of the popular IRC channel ##club-ubuntu." [12:11] never heard of it [12:11] s-fox interviewed em? [12:11] Indeed I did popey [12:12] *boggle* [12:12] oimon: when the channel was first created, Em created a bit of controversy by mass-inviting users from a variety of channels (primarily ubuntu ones, although also channels completely unrelated to ubuntu) [12:12] not everyone took too kindly to the unsolicited invites ;) [12:13] is it publicly logged? [12:13] Unlikely. [12:13] no [12:14] * oimon wonders if there's a joke he's missing [12:17] hehe nah -- the approach she had when creating the channel was just one which resulted in a lot of complaints from users, to the ubuntu ircc/cc, freenode staff, etc. and ate up a lot of time for many people, the channel as it is now may be a nice place :) [12:17] christel, I would say it is lighthearted banter. It is actually quite fun sometimes [12:18] :) [12:18] But certainly you could not guarantee everything discussed would be safe for work [12:19] which is why it is ## and not # [12:20] no, that isn't why it is ## [12:20] ## because of the ubuntu bit [12:21] Otherwise lugradio would have to be ## [12:21] i always though # is for official channels. :) [12:21] Yes [12:21] /s/though/thought [12:21] it is ## because it was a trollpit when it was formed, and the only thing that the IRCC could do to get rid of it was to not allow them to use the #ubuntu namespace [12:21] she actually did start it as a # channel initially, but agreed to move it to ## namespace as she didn't have a claim to the name [12:21] and by that, subject to the ubuntu code of conduct [12:21] there are some people there who have a big issue with the ircc and cc [12:22] i know some people there can be _very_ hateful [12:22] More that ## channels is for official channels associated with a product & normally owned by organisation as with the ubuntu channels, the same logic is behind it being ##window because its not an official Microsoft channel [12:22] iirc the channel had a handful of re-names first, as she also tried to use channels which would fall under the ubuntu namespace initially [12:22] There are other irc networks that they can use if they don't agree to the rules [12:22] christel: pretty much [12:22] people are well behaved in u-uk [12:23] those months could have been the best ones of my life you know... [12:23] Heh [12:23] 'style' => 'width:630px;height:18em;' [12:23] Erm [12:23] interesting how the number of users in u-uk is nearly always constant [12:23] some people just need a pit to play in [12:23] Excuse me [12:23] +1 popey [12:24] we are under no obligation to provide the pit though [12:24] bigcalm: She didn't want to be on another network [12:24] popey: There's a coal pit up the road we can send them there to play :D [12:25] My grandfather use to work up the pit davmor2 [12:25] in comparison, maybe the sounder list springs to mind [12:25] s-fox: down a pit surely ;) [12:25] Oh my [12:25] sounder moved to yahoo groups [12:25] i think [12:25]