| snap-l | jcastro: Just picked up Megadeth's 13 | 02:37 |
|---|---|---|
| snap-l | and frankly, the first 2 minutes of this album make Metallica sound tired. | 02:37 |
| snap-l | Seriously, Metallica needs to learn how to be a pissed off asshole again. | 02:37 |
| snap-l | Because Dave has it down pat. ;) | 02:37 |
| jrwren | metallica has sounded tired for 20yrs | 02:38 |
| rick_h_droid | new megadeath? /me runs to look | 02:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h_droid: Also new Puscifer | 02:41 |
| snap-l | friend sent me a Christmas care package | 02:41 |
| snap-l | we get each other CDs. He got some older Christian Metal that we played on the radio show. | 02:42 |
| snap-l | Crucified, Believer, and Celldweller. | 02:42 |
| jrwren | i like celldweller. | 02:48 |
| jrwren | i had no idea that was christian | 02:48 |
| snap-l | Well, Circle of Dust was | 02:49 |
| snap-l | but like most Christian Artists, he got majorly fucked over by the music industry. | 02:49 |
| jrwren | i didnt know that was, nor that they were related | 02:49 |
| jrwren | like 16volt? :) | 02:49 |
| snap-l | Like just about every single musician out thee. | 02:49 |
| snap-l | I hear bands looking forward to getting signed, and I just shake my head | 02:50 |
| jrwren | especially with how easy it is self publish these days | 02:50 |
| snap-l | because it's just a matter of time | 02:50 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Absolutely | 02:50 |
| jrwren | i mean, 15+ yrs ago.... I get it. | 02:50 |
| jrwren | but now? no way. | 02:51 |
| snap-l | I think what bands really want is exposure | 02:51 |
| snap-l | and someone to help foot the bill | 02:51 |
| snap-l | Which is why I do the show | 02:51 |
| jrwren | yup | 02:51 |
| snap-l | to help with the exposure | 02:51 |
| jrwren | and the labels NEVER actually help foot the bill. | 02:51 |
| snap-l | Oh hell no | 02:52 |
| jrwren | only the super naive ever actually believe that | 02:52 |
| jrwren | the thing that the labels have is connections. they have that networ. | 02:52 |
| jrwren | used to include record stores. now I guess it just includes local promoters and venues | 02:53 |
| snap-l | I think there's still labels that really believe they're helping artists | 02:53 |
| jrwren | some indies | 02:54 |
| snap-l | and some of them have nothing but good intentions (because they surely don't have good business sense) | 02:54 |
| jrwren | well you know local peeps. remember dave hedgie? | 02:54 |
| jrwren | fuk I hate that guy. | 02:54 |
| snap-l | name doesn't ring a bell | 02:54 |
| jrwren | he ended up working for Sony | 02:54 |
| jrwren | moved to NYC about 7 or so yrs ago | 02:55 |
| jrwren | but he was such a self centered POS of a human, he is exactly the kind of person that fits the bill for working for a record label | 02:55 |
| jrwren | and so he did. | 02:55 |
| jrwren | and so when he would sign bands or promote them or wahtever... oh the success! | 02:56 |
| jrwren | good intentions and no business sense sounds great. | 02:56 |
| jrwren | i'm all for small labels if it can help peeps. | 02:56 |
| jrwren | but I ralley against the majors. | 02:56 |
| snap-l | All the majors were small once | 02:56 |
| snap-l | unfortunately they're so far removed from those days. | 02:56 |
| jrwren | i used to get info from Bill Paskins, but since he closed up store and moved away I'm completely clueless about the industry. | 02:58 |
| jrwren | i've no idea what it is like now. | 02:58 |
| jrwren | to me, record stores died entirely 8 yrs ago when east alley closed :) | 02:58 |
| snap-l | Yeah, record stores aren't nearly as prevalent now | 02:59 |
| Wolfger | record stores still exist? | 03:01 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: Yep, there's several in the area | 03:01 |
| snap-l | Flipside, Solo | 03:01 |
| Wolfger | I mean, aside from as-a-dept-inside-Best-Buy | 03:01 |
| Wolfger | Huh. Never heard of them | 03:02 |
| snap-l | Solo is on Woodward | 03:02 |
| snap-l | and Flipside is in Clawson on 14 mile / Main | 03:02 |
| _stink_ | snap-l: how are those places? i drive past them all the time | 03:02 |
| snap-l | Flipside is decent | 03:02 |
| Wolfger | That's too far West for me. May as well be GR. :-p | 03:03 |
| snap-l | Seems to be mostly about the collectibles than actual music selection | 03:03 |
| snap-l | Oh, and UHF | 03:03 |
| snap-l | but that's more about vinyl records | 03:03 |
| snap-l | but there's a metalhead on staff there that keeps me opening my wallet | 03:03 |
| _stink_ | heh | 03:03 |
| snap-l | Haven't been in Solo, but I keep driving by it | 03:03 |
| snap-l | I miss Rockabillys. Went in there just as they were starting closing down | 03:04 |
| snap-l | And I miss Holland CD, only because I moved away from Holland after college | 03:04 |
| jrwren | how is that west? where are you? sarnia? | 03:11 |
| Wolfger | jrwren: just about. I live in New Baltimore | 03:11 |
| jrwren | oh, lol, yup, that is a trek. | 03:11 |
| Wolfger | and with that... off to bed. Night all. | 03:11 |
| jrwren | i was in NB on xmas.... or drove through it | 03:11 |
| snap-l | later, Wolfger | 03:12 |
| snap-l | Sheesh, you guys and your "distance" | 03:12 |
| snap-l | This is great | 03:25 |
| snap-l | got my eye care coverate from ALU | 03:25 |
| snap-l | starts: 1/1/2012 | 03:25 |
| snap-l | Last day of ALU: 1/1/2012. ;) | 03:26 |
| _stink_ | act quickly! | 03:31 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no kidding | 03:31 |
| snap-l | g'morning | 12:12 |
| rick_h__ | morning | 12:24 |
| Wolfger | total suckage: "Shareware/Freeware, Technical/Business Forums Blocked by URL Category Filter Database " | 12:36 |
| Wolfger | oh and good morning | 12:36 |
| rick_h__ | what forums are these? | 12:37 |
| Wolfger | linuxbsdos.com | 12:37 |
| Wolfger | was following a story link from a Linux Today e-mail | 12:38 |
| rick_h__ | url? | 12:38 |
| Wolfger | I just find it disturbing that such a category exists in the Chrysler blocked sites list | 12:39 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: I think they subscribe to a service for those | 12:40 |
| snap-l | it's to protect the company from "unlicensed" software. | 12:41 |
| Wolfger | McAfee | 12:41 |
| snap-l | Yeah, apparently you have the Great Firewall package. | 12:41 |
| Wolfger | it's not so great, really :-p | 12:44 |
| rick_h__ | well, it was a good ride, but finally had to cave and get a Oreilly DoD | 13:20 |
| Wolfger | Really? The API book today? | 13:22 |
| brousch | you bought IronRuby? | 13:22 |
| Wolfger | I thought the API book looked interesting until I read the description. Too management-oriented | 13:25 |
| Wolfger | AskUbuntu drives me crazy with all the "I know it's easy to do from a command line, but how can I do it from a GUI app?" questions... http://askubuntu.com/questions/10712/how-do-i-know-if-i-am-running-32-bit-or-64-bit-ubuntu-through-a-gui | 13:26 |
| brousch | typing is hard. let's go clicking | 13:27 |
| tjagoda | Brousch will make me rich with his trademarked bumpersticker one-liners. | 13:31 |
| brousch | that's more like a laptop sticker than a bumper sticker | 13:32 |
| brousch | use a green, monospace font | 13:32 |
| tjagoda | awesome | 14:08 |
| tjagoda | he didn't demand any share of the profits | 14:08 |
| * tjagoda monetizes | 14:08 | |
| brousch | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png | 14:13 |
| brousch | enjoy | 14:13 |
| * rick_h__ hangs his head | 14:13 | |
| brousch | something wrong with it? | 14:14 |
| brousch | maybe the spacing between rows? | 14:14 |
| brousch | that'll give you a 3" sticker | 14:15 |
| snap-l | needs a screen font | 14:17 |
| brousch | i guess i have no idea what that font would be | 14:25 |
| brousch | i used courier new, which is the crustiest old font i could think of | 14:26 |
| rick_h__ | dejavu mono | 14:27 |
| rick_h__ | ? | 14:27 |
| brousch | looks like it should be just Courier | 14:28 |
| tjagoda | lol | 14:34 |
| brousch | slight difference using Courier http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png | 14:40 |
| snap-l | I have some blocky fonts at home. | 14:41 |
| brousch | here we go http://sensi.org/~svo/glasstty/ | 14:43 |
| brousch | now it's hawt file:///home/ben/Dropbox/Logos/Command Line Sticker/command_line_3in.png | 14:53 |
| snap-l | erm... file link? :) | 14:53 |
| brousch | doh | 14:54 |
| brousch | same old link, but now i need to fix the cursor | 14:56 |
| Wolfger | brousch: ++ | 15:02 |
| Wolfger | Need some electronics in the shirt so that the square cursor blinks. :-) | 15:04 |
| Wolfger | That could be a hot ThinkGeek item | 15:04 |
| _stink_ | srsly | 15:04 |
| rick_h__ | *sigh* | 15:05 |
| rick_h__ | it needs to go the other way around | 15:05 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:05 |
| rick_h__ | "Finding options is hard...let's man it" | 15:05 |
| rick_h__ | and the $ needs to be a # | 15:05 |
| rick_h__ | zsh ftw! | 15:06 |
| Wolfger | rick_h__: then it would lose sarcasm/parody points | 15:06 |
| _stink_ | i can see a need for both | 15:06 |
| rick_h__ | ok, this api book sucks | 15:08 |
| rick_h__ | fortunately I had an error on my attempt to buy it and got it for $2 off | 15:09 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: yeah, it looks like the book to give to your VP, not your coders. | 15:11 |
| Wolfger | exactly | 15:11 |
| rick_h__ | well it has good headings "security" "protecting your api" | 15:12 |
| rick_h__ | but completely lacks the answer, just "yea...people can try to upload large payloads." | 15:12 |
| rick_h__ | and ... ugh | 15:13 |
| rick_h__ | for the python script lovers out there http://www.nicosphere.net/clint-command-line-library-for-python/ | 15:13 |
| snap-l | hm, that's interesting. | 15:17 |
| brousch | damn, that cursor was hard http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png | 15:30 |
| brousch | still not quite right | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ... | 15:34 |
| tjagoda | awesome | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | Brousch does all the work | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | I just ship stickers to tens of open source geeks | 15:51 |
| tjagoda | I like this business model | 15:51 |
| Wolfger | eliminate bottom 2 rows of cursor? | 15:53 |
| brousch | you can ship and do accounting | 15:53 |
| brousch | Wolfger: it didn't go down to the lower case? | 15:53 |
| Wolfger | I don't think so | 15:54 |
| Wolfger | not sure | 15:54 |
| tjagoda | Is $2 a good market price for a novelty sticker of respectable quality? | 15:54 |
| tjagoda | If so, we only need like a million people to buy one, and we shall be rich. | 15:55 |
| _stink_ | it worked for angry birds. | 15:55 |
| Wolfger | shockingly enough, I think Angry Birds has a larger market than this does... | 15:55 |
| tjagoda | Once the brand is established we will expand into mug sales. =( | 15:55 |
| brousch | snap-l is the one with all the crusty old computers sitting around. can't you fire one up and look? | 15:58 |
| brousch | this shows it as going to the lowercase bottom and above the upper case top. it's also solid. http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Hamlet-and-DEC.png | 16:01 |
| brousch | i think the font is too sparse | 16:02 |
| brousch | i don't know | 16:03 |
| snap-l | the font is about right | 16:04 |
| tjagoda | I used that as my terminal font for ages in gnome | 16:18 |
| snap-l | Yeah, although it's a little hard to read at smaller resolutions | 16:27 |
| brousch | is mdlug the same as mug? | 16:53 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: no, definitely not | 16:54 |
| snap-l | mdlug is the Metro Detroit LUG | 16:55 |
| brousch | i thought that's what mug covered | 16:56 |
| brousch | or are you like us with a west MI lug and a GR lug? | 16:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: It's a somewhat overlapping group | 17:26 |
| snap-l | though MUG is the granddaddy, since it pre-dates Linux | 17:27 |
| snap-l | Was formed in 1986, covers UNIX(tm) | 17:28 |
| brousch | rick_h_: did you happen to go to karl swedberg's talk at dev day detroit? http://pres.learningjquery.com/1devday2/ | 18:05 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: no, I had no interest | 18:05 |
| brousch | no interest in jquery? | 18:05 |
| rick_h__ | nope | 18:05 |
| rick_h__ | I've moved on, done with it. It's good for some uses, but nothing I need for now | 18:06 |
| brousch | damn hipsters | 18:06 |
| rick_h__ | :) | 18:06 |
| rick_h__ | jquery is good in small batches, but I don't like it for real web apps | 18:06 |
| rick_h__ | bookie is in slow motion because I've ported all the JS from jquery to YUI | 18:07 |
| rick_h__ | MUCH MUCH happier now | 18:07 |
| brousch | did any of you non-hipsters go? | 18:07 |
| rick_h__ | no, I think most of us went to other talks | 18:07 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: so is there a question in there? | 18:11 |
| rick_h__ | looking at the slides it seems your normal "don't abuse jquery/js" stuff | 18:11 |
| brousch | next grwebdev is all about jquery. i asked swedberg to speak and he wants to give that same talk | 18:11 |
| rick_h__ | ah, gotcha | 18:11 |
| brousch | hoping to also get jonathan chaffer | 18:13 |
| Wolfger | call him back and say, "Thanks, but no thanks. Rick Harding say jquery is lame now." | 18:13 |
| brousch | what is this "call" thing you speak of? | 18:13 |
| rick_h__ | heh, he knows my thoughts. I had a bit of a rant against jquery talking with him and snap-l and another guy | 18:13 |
| brousch | is that like those cassettes you used to put in boomboxes? | 18:13 |
| rick_h__ | this was before I realized who he was | 18:13 |
| rick_h__ | which led to a very interesting follow up conversation | 18:14 |
| Wolfger | brousch: "Call" is what you do when you Skype somebody | 18:14 |
| Wolfger | :-p | 18:14 |
| brousch | rick_h_: nice | 18:14 |
| snap-l | brousch: Frankly, he's a good speaker, and passionate, so if he wants to give the same talk, let him. :) | 18:14 |
| brousch | did you convince him jquery is dead? | 18:14 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: ummm, no | 18:15 |
| rick_h__ | but I think we were kind of close on more points than it seemed | 18:15 |
| snap-l | I think rick_h__ and Karl agreed to disagree | 18:15 |
| brousch | snap-l: i've met him several times and he presented about 9 months ago. i was mostly looking for opnions on the specific talk | 18:15 |
| snap-l | yeah, you weren't too far off the mark | 18:15 |
| rick_h__ | just remember, I'm a bitter crank sick of people that can't think for themselves | 18:15 |
| rick_h__ | jquery loves to open a set of tools to people that can't think for themselves :) | 18:15 |
| snap-l | rick_h__ is a two year old always asking WHY | 18:16 |
| snap-l | WHY are you using jQuery? | 18:16 |
| brousch | because karl told me to! | 18:16 |
| snap-l | WHY haven't you looked at other tools that may be more appropriate | 18:16 |
| snap-l | WHY is the sky blue, when I think it should be AMBER! | 18:16 |
| brousch | the interwebs say all other suck | 18:17 |
| brousch | rick_h_: come give a 15 minute talk on why jquery is dead | 18:17 |
| snap-l | 15 minute? | 18:17 |
| snap-l | Surely you jest. | 18:17 |
| snap-l | That's like asking Stephen King to write a short story. | 18:18 |
| brousch | usually we have four 15-20min talks on the topic | 18:18 |
| snap-l | What's the current hotness for presentations? | 18:18 |
| brousch | eh? | 18:18 |
| snap-l | If I were to give a 5-10 minute talk at my local user group about a command, what would I use to present it? | 18:19 |
| brousch | the short talks mean less pressure on each presenter, less prep time, more variety if one of them sucks | 18:19 |
| snap-l | I'm hijacking the conversation for a sec. ;) | 18:19 |
| brousch | ah | 18:19 |
| brousch | that apple presentation thing | 18:19 |
| snap-l | Keynote is right out | 18:19 |
| brousch | i see that, PDF, or openoffice presenter | 18:20 |
| brousch | or various ruby-based html5 things | 18:20 |
| rick_h_droid | rst plus rdt2pdf | 18:20 |
| rick_h_droid | python ftw | 18:21 |
| brousch | i like rst2pdf | 18:21 |
| snap-l | What about landslide? | 18:21 |
| brousch | Landslidewww.landslide.com/Looking for a Social CRM solution? | 18:21 |
| rick_h_droid | doesn't work with presentation remotes :( | 18:21 |
| snap-l | rick_h_droid: Ah, that's good to know if I ever decide to use a remote. ;) | 18:21 |
| brousch | i don't like the openoffice thing. it always frustrates me when making slides | 18:23 |
| brousch | rst2pdf is good, unless you have animated gifs. all good presentations have animated gifs | 18:23 |
| * rick_h__ disagrees, but will leave it alone | 18:25 | |
| snap-l | hah | 18:25 |
| brousch | :-D | 18:26 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | to stinking hot out | 18:34 |
| snap-l | Eh? | 18:40 |
| snap-l | Temperature: 48.9 F (9.4 C) | 18:41 |
| snap-l | That doesn't seem hot to me | 18:41 |
| rick_h__ | yep, but warm enough that no gym today for me...bike ride it is | 18:41 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Ah, nice. | 18:42 |
| brousch | in the dark? | 18:42 |
| mydogsnameisrudy | its not making ice so it sucks | 18:53 |
| * Wolfger looks forward to another week or so of "sucky" weather. | 19:03 | |
| snap-l | Yeah, me too | 19:04 |
| Wolfger | above freezing every day for as far out as WeatherSpark forecasts :-) | 19:04 |
| Wolfger | Global Warming? Bring it on! | 19:05 |
| Wolfger | I should go start my SUV now and let it idle until quitting time | 19:05 |
| tjagoda | I dont understand what happened to winter | 19:39 |
| tjagoda | =( | 19:39 |
| brousch | we killed it | 19:40 |
| brousch | good riddance | 19:40 |
| jjesse | its cold in northern wisconsin still | 19:41 |
| jjesse | 30 degrees? | 19:41 |
| jjesse | and 4 inches of snow on the ground | 19:41 |
| jjesse | which everyone considered warm here | 19:41 |
| greg-g | they grow them right in Wausau (that's where my grandparents lived) | 19:42 |
| jjesse | there is a pretty decent microbrew here | 19:43 |
| jjesse | red eye breweing | 19:43 |
| tjagoda | I have been to Wasau | 20:08 |
| tjagoda | More aptly, through it | 20:08 |
| tjagoda | Fly into CWA when I need to go to wisconsin for work | 20:08 |
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