[02:37] jcastro: Just picked up Megadeth's 13 [02:37] and frankly, the first 2 minutes of this album make Metallica sound tired. [02:37] Seriously, Metallica needs to learn how to be a pissed off asshole again. [02:37] Because Dave has it down pat. ;) [02:38] metallica has sounded tired for 20yrs [02:41] new megadeath? /me runs to look [02:41] rick_h_droid: Also new Puscifer [02:41] friend sent me a Christmas care package [02:42] we get each other CDs. He got some older Christian Metal that we played on the radio show. [02:42] Crucified, Believer, and Celldweller. [02:48] i like celldweller. [02:48] i had no idea that was christian [02:49] Well, Circle of Dust was [02:49] but like most Christian Artists, he got majorly fucked over by the music industry. [02:49] i didnt know that was, nor that they were related [02:49] like 16volt? :) [02:49] Like just about every single musician out thee. [02:50] I hear bands looking forward to getting signed, and I just shake my head [02:50] especially with how easy it is self publish these days [02:50] because it's just a matter of time [02:50] jrwren: Absolutely [02:50] i mean, 15+ yrs ago.... I get it. [02:51] but now? no way. [02:51] I think what bands really want is exposure [02:51] and someone to help foot the bill [02:51] Which is why I do the show [02:51] yup [02:51] to help with the exposure [02:51] and the labels NEVER actually help foot the bill. [02:52] Oh hell no [02:52] only the super naive ever actually believe that [02:52] the thing that the labels have is connections. they have that networ. [02:53] used to include record stores. now I guess it just includes local promoters and venues [02:53] I think there's still labels that really believe they're helping artists [02:54] some indies [02:54] and some of them have nothing but good intentions (because they surely don't have good business sense) [02:54] well you know local peeps. remember dave hedgie? [02:54] fuk I hate that guy. [02:54] name doesn't ring a bell [02:54] he ended up working for Sony [02:55] moved to NYC about 7 or so yrs ago [02:55] but he was such a self centered POS of a human, he is exactly the kind of person that fits the bill for working for a record label [02:55] and so he did. [02:56] and so when he would sign bands or promote them or wahtever... oh the success! [02:56] good intentions and no business sense sounds great. [02:56] i'm all for small labels if it can help peeps. [02:56] but I ralley against the majors. [02:56] All the majors were small once [02:56] unfortunately they're so far removed from those days. [02:58] i used to get info from Bill Paskins, but since he closed up store and moved away I'm completely clueless about the industry. [02:58] i've no idea what it is like now. [02:58] to me, record stores died entirely 8 yrs ago when east alley closed :) [02:59] Yeah, record stores aren't nearly as prevalent now [03:01] record stores still exist? [03:01] Wolfger: Yep, there's several in the area [03:01] Flipside, Solo [03:01] I mean, aside from as-a-dept-inside-Best-Buy [03:02] Huh. Never heard of them [03:02] Solo is on Woodward [03:02] and Flipside is in Clawson on 14 mile / Main [03:02] <_stink_> snap-l: how are those places? i drive past them all the time [03:02] Flipside is decent [03:03] That's too far West for me. May as well be GR. :-p [03:03] Seems to be mostly about the collectibles than actual music selection [03:03] Oh, and UHF [03:03] but that's more about vinyl records [03:03] but there's a metalhead on staff there that keeps me opening my wallet [03:03] <_stink_> heh [03:03] Haven't been in Solo, but I keep driving by it [03:04] I miss Rockabillys. Went in there just as they were starting closing down [03:04] And I miss Holland CD, only because I moved away from Holland after college [03:11] how is that west? where are you? sarnia? [03:11] jrwren: just about. I live in New Baltimore [03:11] oh, lol, yup, that is a trek. [03:11] and with that... off to bed. Night all. [03:11] i was in NB on xmas.... or drove through it [03:12] later, Wolfger [03:12] Sheesh, you guys and your "distance" [03:25] This is great [03:25] got my eye care coverate from ALU [03:25] starts: 1/1/2012 [03:26] Last day of ALU: 1/1/2012. ;) [03:31] <_stink_> act quickly! [03:31] Yeah, no kidding [12:12] g'morning [12:24] morning [12:36] total suckage: "Shareware/Freeware, Technical/Business Forums Blocked by URL Category Filter Database " [12:36] oh and good morning [12:37] what forums are these? [12:37] linuxbsdos.com [12:38] was following a story link from a Linux Today e-mail [12:38] url? [12:39] I just find it disturbing that such a category exists in the Chrysler blocked sites list [12:40] Wolfger: I think they subscribe to a service for those [12:41] it's to protect the company from "unlicensed" software. [12:41] McAfee [12:41] Yeah, apparently you have the Great Firewall package. [12:44] it's not so great, really :-p [13:20] well, it was a good ride, but finally had to cave and get a Oreilly DoD [13:22] Really? The API book today? [13:22] you bought IronRuby? [13:25] I thought the API book looked interesting until I read the description. Too management-oriented [13:26] AskUbuntu drives me crazy with all the "I know it's easy to do from a command line, but how can I do it from a GUI app?" questions... http://askubuntu.com/questions/10712/how-do-i-know-if-i-am-running-32-bit-or-64-bit-ubuntu-through-a-gui [13:27] typing is hard. let's go clicking [13:31] Brousch will make me rich with his trademarked bumpersticker one-liners. [13:32] that's more like a laptop sticker than a bumper sticker [13:32] use a green, monospace font [14:08] awesome [14:08] he didn't demand any share of the profits [14:08] * tjagoda monetizes [14:13] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png [14:13] enjoy [14:13] * rick_h__ hangs his head [14:14] something wrong with it? [14:14] maybe the spacing between rows? [14:15] that'll give you a 3" sticker [14:17] needs a screen font [14:25] i guess i have no idea what that font would be [14:26] i used courier new, which is the crustiest old font i could think of [14:27] dejavu mono [14:27] ? [14:28] looks like it should be just Courier [14:34] lol [14:40] slight difference using Courier http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png [14:41] I have some blocky fonts at home. [14:43] here we go http://sensi.org/~svo/glasstty/ [14:53] now it's hawt file:///home/ben/Dropbox/Logos/Command Line Sticker/command_line_3in.png [14:53] erm... file link? :) [14:54] doh [14:56] same old link, but now i need to fix the cursor [15:02] brousch: ++ [15:04] Need some electronics in the shirt so that the square cursor blinks. :-) [15:04] That could be a hot ThinkGeek item [15:04] <_stink_> srsly [15:05] *sigh* [15:05] it needs to go the other way around [15:05] heh [15:05] "Finding options is hard...let's man it" [15:05] and the $ needs to be a # [15:06] zsh ftw! [15:06] rick_h__: then it would lose sarcasm/parody points [15:06] <_stink_> i can see a need for both [15:08] ok, this api book sucks [15:09] fortunately I had an error on my attempt to buy it and got it for $2 off [15:11] rick_h__: yeah, it looks like the book to give to your VP, not your coders. [15:11] exactly [15:12] well it has good headings "security" "protecting your api" [15:12] but completely lacks the answer, just "yea...people can try to upload large payloads." [15:13] and ... ugh [15:13] for the python script lovers out there http://www.nicosphere.net/clint-command-line-library-for-python/ [15:17] hm, that's interesting. [15:30] damn, that cursor was hard http://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/command_line_3in.png [15:30] still not quite right [15:34] ... [15:51] awesome [15:51] Brousch does all the work [15:51] I just ship stickers to tens of open source geeks [15:51] I like this business model [15:53] eliminate bottom 2 rows of cursor? [15:53] you can ship and do accounting [15:53] Wolfger: it didn't go down to the lower case? [15:54] I don't think so [15:54] not sure [15:54] Is $2 a good market price for a novelty sticker of respectable quality? [15:55] If so, we only need like a million people to buy one, and we shall be rich. [15:55] <_stink_> it worked for angry birds. [15:55] shockingly enough, I think Angry Birds has a larger market than this does... [15:55] Once the brand is established we will expand into mug sales. =( [15:58] snap-l is the one with all the crusty old computers sitting around. can't you fire one up and look? [16:01] this shows it as going to the lowercase bottom and above the upper case top. it's also solid. http://blog.fosketts.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Hamlet-and-DEC.png [16:02] i think the font is too sparse [16:03] i don't know [16:04] the font is about right [16:18] I used that as my terminal font for ages in gnome [16:27] Yeah, although it's a little hard to read at smaller resolutions [16:53] is mdlug the same as mug? [16:54] brousch: no, definitely not [16:55] mdlug is the Metro Detroit LUG [16:56] i thought that's what mug covered [16:57] or are you like us with a west MI lug and a GR lug? [17:26] brousch: It's a somewhat overlapping group [17:27] though MUG is the granddaddy, since it pre-dates Linux [17:28] Was formed in 1986, covers UNIX(tm) [18:05] rick_h_: did you happen to go to karl swedberg's talk at dev day detroit? http://pres.learningjquery.com/1devday2/ [18:05] brousch: no, I had no interest [18:05] no interest in jquery? [18:05] nope [18:06] I've moved on, done with it. It's good for some uses, but nothing I need for now [18:06] damn hipsters [18:06] :) [18:06] jquery is good in small batches, but I don't like it for real web apps [18:07] bookie is in slow motion because I've ported all the JS from jquery to YUI [18:07] MUCH MUCH happier now [18:07] did any of you non-hipsters go? [18:07] no, I think most of us went to other talks [18:11] brousch: so is there a question in there? [18:11] looking at the slides it seems your normal "don't abuse jquery/js" stuff [18:11] next grwebdev is all about jquery. i asked swedberg to speak and he wants to give that same talk [18:11] ah, gotcha [18:13] hoping to also get jonathan chaffer [18:13] call him back and say, "Thanks, but no thanks. Rick Harding say jquery is lame now." [18:13] what is this "call" thing you speak of? [18:13] heh, he knows my thoughts. I had a bit of a rant against jquery talking with him and snap-l and another guy [18:13] is that like those cassettes you used to put in boomboxes? [18:13] this was before I realized who he was [18:14] which led to a very interesting follow up conversation [18:14] brousch: "Call" is what you do when you Skype somebody [18:14] :-p [18:14] rick_h_: nice [18:14] brousch: Frankly, he's a good speaker, and passionate, so if he wants to give the same talk, let him. :) [18:14] did you convince him jquery is dead? [18:15] brousch: ummm, no [18:15] but I think we were kind of close on more points than it seemed [18:15] I think rick_h__ and Karl agreed to disagree [18:15] snap-l: i've met him several times and he presented about 9 months ago. i was mostly looking for opnions on the specific talk [18:15] yeah, you weren't too far off the mark [18:15] just remember, I'm a bitter crank sick of people that can't think for themselves [18:15] jquery loves to open a set of tools to people that can't think for themselves :) [18:16] rick_h__ is a two year old always asking WHY [18:16] WHY are you using jQuery? [18:16] because karl told me to! [18:16] WHY haven't you looked at other tools that may be more appropriate [18:16] WHY is the sky blue, when I think it should be AMBER! [18:17] the interwebs say all other suck [18:17] rick_h_: come give a 15 minute talk on why jquery is dead [18:17] 15 minute? [18:17] Surely you jest. [18:18] That's like asking Stephen King to write a short story. [18:18] usually we have four 15-20min talks on the topic [18:18] What's the current hotness for presentations? [18:18] eh? [18:19] If I were to give a 5-10 minute talk at my local user group about a command, what would I use to present it? [18:19] the short talks mean less pressure on each presenter, less prep time, more variety if one of them sucks [18:19] I'm hijacking the conversation for a sec. ;) [18:19] ah [18:19] that apple presentation thing [18:19] Keynote is right out [18:20] i see that, PDF, or openoffice presenter [18:20] or various ruby-based html5 things [18:20] rst plus rdt2pdf [18:21] python ftw [18:21] i like rst2pdf [18:21] What about landslide? [18:21] Landslidewww.landslide.com/Looking for a Social CRM solution? [18:21] doesn't work with presentation remotes :( [18:21] rick_h_droid: Ah, that's good to know if I ever decide to use a remote. ;) [18:23] i don't like the openoffice thing. it always frustrates me when making slides [18:23] rst2pdf is good, unless you have animated gifs. all good presentations have animated gifs [18:25] * rick_h__ disagrees, but will leave it alone [18:25] hah [18:26] :-D [18:34] to stinking hot out [18:40] Eh? [18:41] Temperature: 48.9 F (9.4 C) [18:41] That doesn't seem hot to me [18:41] yep, but warm enough that no gym today for me...bike ride it is [18:42] rick_h__: Ah, nice. [18:42] in the dark? [18:53] its not making ice so it sucks [19:03] * Wolfger looks forward to another week or so of "sucky" weather. [19:04] Yeah, me too [19:04] above freezing every day for as far out as WeatherSpark forecasts :-) [19:05] Global Warming? Bring it on! [19:05] I should go start my SUV now and let it idle until quitting time [19:39] I dont understand what happened to winter [19:39] =( [19:40] we killed it [19:40] good riddance [19:41] its cold in northern wisconsin still [19:41] 30 degrees? [19:41] and 4 inches of snow on the ground [19:41] which everyone considered warm here [19:42] they grow them right in Wausau (that's where my grandparents lived) [19:43] there is a pretty decent microbrew here [19:43] red eye breweing [20:08] I have been to Wasau [20:08] More aptly, through it [20:08] Fly into CWA when I need to go to wisconsin for work