[00:36] <douglas> to have a bootable usb stick is it necessary to download a 'live' x11.10 iso?
[00:36] <holstein> douglas: depends
[00:36] <holstein> most folk think of a live USB as being able to boot into a desktop
[00:36] <douglas> hello holstein
[00:36] <holstein> for that, you need the live and not the alternate
[00:37] <holstein> there used to be some issues with using alternate iso from USB sticks, but i think thats sorted out now
[00:37] <holstein> either should work, but i say the live is preferred
[00:37] <douglas> you've been here over the past couple of days and helped me try to find a soulution to this
[00:38] <douglas> I've downloaded the 'desktop' version of iso. Could this be my problem?
[00:38] <holstein> thats what i would be getting
[00:38] <holstein> whats the issu?
[00:38] <holstein> e
[00:39] <douglas> I can't seem to get a workable, bootable usb stick with X11.10 to work on my Lenovo T520 laptop
[00:39] <holstein> douglas: whats the error?
[00:39] <holstein> has anything ever booted from USB on the unit?
[00:40] <douglas> does pastebin have archives of 3 days?
[00:40] <holstein> have you tried other iso's? and other USB sticks? how are you making them? are you trying with unetbootin?
[00:40] <holstein> douglas: do you have a CD drive?
[00:40] <douglas> yes
[00:41] <holstein> douglas: are you sure its not an issue with the machine?... id burn a CD, see if it boots..
[00:41] <douglas> I've tried different sticks; I've tried unetbootin
[00:41] <douglas> about the error message:  do you think it's still on pastebin?
[00:42] <holstein> i wouldnt lose much sleep over it.. id burn a CD... could just be something fiddly you'll sort out later easily
[00:43] <douglas> (initramfs) mount: mounting  /dev/loop1 on /cow failed: invalid argument
[00:44] <holstein> yeah... who knows... that looks like an error i would expect from a bad iso... but you say you checked the sum and have tested the stick on other machines?
[00:44] <douglas> haven't checked it on other machines
[00:45] <douglas> I've downloaded the iso from other sites and gotten good checksum on all the iso's I've downloaded
[00:45] <holstein> douglas: ?... you should check it on another machine
[00:45] <holstein> if its easy to do so
[00:46] <holstein> try making the stick on another machine
[00:46] <douglas> to eliminate a problem with this particular machine...
[00:46] <holstein> try making it from a live CD...
[00:46] <douglas> do you mean make a live cd, then make a live stick from the cd?
[00:47] <holstein> i mean, boot from a live linux installation, and make the USB stick from inside that
[00:47] <holstein> but, you really just have to try things... whatever it is will be fiddly, and probably something silly and obvious ;)
[00:47] <douglas> and the way to get that live installation is to make the live cd?
[00:47] <holstein> id just burn a disc and be done with it
[00:48] <holstein> i think the solution to that will present itself
[00:48] <holstein> could be the USB controller or driver in the machine you are making the sticks.. thats a constant, and you havent tested to see that the sticks you make are working
[00:49] <douglas> is there a special iso that is declared to be a 'live' version of X11.10?
[00:49] <holstein> http://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/CDs-Xubuntu/11.10/release/
[00:49] <holstein> where it says 'destkop'
[00:49] <holstein> thats the one i would be using
[00:50] <shoenig> aren't they all live?
[00:50] <douglas> and that one will make a 'live' cd?
[00:50] <holstein> shoenig: thats what i was saying before... in a way, they are.. but the alternate is a text installer only
[00:50] <holstein> douglas: that *is* the live 'try before you buy' desktop iso with GUI installer included
[00:51] <douglas> OK.  I'm going to try booting up with what I have on the stick right now, but on a different laptop
[00:51] <holstein> i use the term 'try before you buy' there to mean that you get to try it before effecting your hardware.. not to imply you need to pay $$ for it
[00:59] <douglas> Well, I just tried the stick on a different machine and it did not boot
[01:01] <shoenig> douglas, did you select to boot from the stick in the bios?
[01:01] <douglas> yes
[01:01] <shoenig> what happened?
[01:02] <douglas> I think the message said 'boot failure' in DOS typeface
[01:04] <buskmann> hello.. i have been trying to set up a server for 2 days now, but my knowledge is to limited. (its really limited) I want to ask if someone here can pls guide me threw it? pls
[01:04] <shoenig> douglas, yea i dunno, unetbootin is kind of hit-or-miss these days
[01:04] <shoenig> burning a cd is the sure way to go
[01:04] <douglas> i've also used startup disk creator
[01:05] <shoenig> is this all on the same usb drive?
[01:06] <buskmann> sorry.. using xubuntu 11.10 and its the thing with VNC/SSH i cant get.. i want graphical int
[01:08] <douglas> I bought five, 4 GB sticks to load various distros onto.  I've switched between them to eliminate a bad stick.  All have produced failed booting, using different iso's (all with good checksums) and even different usb ports on the machine trying to make the stick.  I've really mixed up the factors to try and eliminate a possible problem.  I think it's something in software.  But I'm to ignorant to figure it out.  :)
[01:11] <douglas> Is FAT32 an acceptable partition for the base to work from?
[01:13] <shoenig> it should work, though i've found formatting from Windows helps some things
[01:13] <shoenig> have you tried more than 1 distro?
[01:25] <holstein> douglas: so, you have more data then... you can try creating a stick on another machine
[01:47] <saturnus> Is there a package for Aurora (next Firefox) available?
[01:48] <saturnus> I'm looking for a package that can be installed next to Firefox 8, not replace it.
[01:53] <Unit193> For that you'd have to install Minefield
[01:59] <Unit193> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa
[01:59] <Unit193> sudo apt-get update
[01:59] <Unit193> sudo apt-get install firefox-trun
[02:02] <saturnus> Thanks
[02:03] <Unit193> That'll get you minefield, not Aurora (And sorry for not using pastebin!!)
[02:48] <rBliz> hi again.. i have set up x11vnc server now, and it works ok. the only thing is that i cant see what im doing on the server. ie. if i open a browser in the server from the client, and go and look at the server screen, nothing has happend. and if i allready have the browser open on the server and  then connect with the client, i cant see the browser and i cant open an other one. in other words its not synced. can someone help me with this pls?
[02:53] <holstein> rBliz: i find it hit and miss sometimes... i would suggest a few things... vino as a server alternative...
[02:54] <holstein> maybe try team viewer, http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx ... also, depending on your needs, nomachine might work for you... http://www.nomachine.com/
[02:57] <rBliz> thank u.. :) i will try vino first..
[02:57] <holstein> nomachine forwards and x session, so it feels almost like you are there
[03:02] <Scuzzball> So I installed Xubuntu to a flash drive with the universal usb installer.
[03:02] <Scuzzball> I then created a user account, logged out, and logged in as the new user.
[03:02] <Scuzzball> I try to delete the user ubuntu, the default with admin rights, but it says it's logged in.
[03:03] <Scuzzball> The result to the users command is that ubuntu is logged in six times, and I'm not.
[03:03] <Scuzzball> But in the top right corner it has my username.
[03:03] <holstein> Scuzzball: i would suggest just installing to the USB... you'll end up with an actual system there
[03:03] <Unit193> !persistant
[03:03] <Scuzzball> Okay.
[03:04] <nanotube> Unit193: fyi, it's spelled 'persistent' :)
[03:04] <Unit193> nanotube: Ah, too far back to see what I typed that time, and thanks
[03:06] <Scuzzball> So if I just boot it off an ISO, and run the usb-creator thing, that would be fine?
[03:07] <Scuzzball> Sorry, boot off a cd.
[03:07] <holstein> Scuzzball: if you run the installer from where ever you choose, and install to the USB stick, you'll end up iwht a normal system
[03:07] <holstein> with*
[03:07] <Scuzzball> Okay. Thank you.
[03:07] <holstein> you might want to use the alternate iso so you are sure where grub is being installed, which i would want to install to the USB
[03:08] <Scuzzball> The laptop I'm working with doesn't have a working hard drive, so using the desktop version should be fine, right?
[03:09] <holstein> Scuzzball: wont hurt anything to try then.. i just didnt want you to wipe an MBR or whatever... or end up with a machine that wont boot with the usb stick out
[03:09] <Scuzzball> Fair enough.
[03:09] <holstein> if it were me, i woul pull the hard drive out
[03:10] <Scuzzball> Yeah, I should do that anyway, it's completely broken but still gets recognised...
[03:10] <holstein> yank it, then you'll know it'll work, and it wont be doing anything silly in the background
[03:11] <Scuzzball> Exactly.
[03:11] <Scuzzball> Heh. It's complaining that I don't have rights to shut down the computer when other users are logged in.
[03:11] <Scuzzball> I have access to the power button.
[03:12] <Scuzzball> Yay manual overide.
[03:12] <holstein> yeah, all that'll go away.. and you can say you are using an SSD ;) kind of...
[03:12] <Scuzzball> Hah.
[03:13] <Scuzzball> I did get an SSD for my main computer for christmas, so I am on an SSD...
[05:06] <douglas> For those who have been helping me with the live usb issue, here is a paragraph from /help/ubuntu.com
[05:06] <douglas> The error "Can not mount /dev/loop1 on /cow" is because usb-creator.exe is not creating a valid casper-rw file holding ext2/ext3 filesystem. Fix: 1) Use Unetbootin or 2) After running usb-creator.exe, recreate casper-rw using cygwin tools or http://www.pendrivelinux.com/casper-rw-creator-make-a-persistent-file-from-windows/. (As of April 2010)
[05:07] <holstein> douglas: i thought you were using unetbooting?
[05:07] <holstein> unetbootin*
[05:07] <holstein> regardless... are you booting now?
[05:07] <douglas> Holstein, I've tried unetbootin, and others
[05:07] <douglas> still not booting
[05:08] <douglas> so now I
[05:08] <douglas> 'll have a go at the above hint
[05:08] <holstein> douglas: have you tried making the stick from a differnt machine?
[05:08] <douglas> haven't tried that
[05:09] <douglas> This machine is a Lenovo T520 with a pretty new (to this date) BIOS.
[05:09] <holstein> using unetbootin is a suggested fix to the above problem
[05:09] <douglas> Yea, I saw that
[05:09] <holstein> douglas: you are formatting these sticks?
[05:10] <holstein> format a stick and make a live one using unet on another machine
[05:10] <douglas> I think that is a button on the unetbootin screen about 2/3 the way down the page.  I'm sure I'm saying yes to that little box
[05:11] <holstein> douglas: the box that allows you to erase you're hard drive?
[05:11] <holstein> douglas: take a screen shot if you'd like to clarify
[05:11] <douglas> hold on I'll bring up unetbootin and speak accurately
[05:13] <shoenig> are you using unetbootin on a windows or linux machine? come to think of it, i've never had success with the linux version
[05:13] <holstein> yeah? i use it often
[05:14] <douglas> I'm running ubuntu 11.10, something called 'remix'
[05:14] <holstein> douglas: you cant just burn a CD?
[05:15] <douglas> And I was mixing up the screens of 'start up disk creator' with unetbootin.  It's start up disk creator that has the format choice
[05:15] <holstein> douglas: i format *every* time
[05:16] <douglas> holstein, I haven't tried to burn a live cd with x11.10 on this machine.  However, the issue is I want to make usb sticks.  :)
[05:17] <holstein> douglas: you are.. they are just not booting... i think you should try from another machine
[05:18] <douglas> As we speak, I'm running unetbootin again.  The led on the stick is blinking away
[05:18] <holstein> douglas: and you formatted it first?
[05:19] <douglas> I've been around the bushes so many times I'm not sure.  I did not format it with this run ( which is going on as we speak)
[05:20] <holstein> douglas: i format *before* each time
[05:20] <douglas> OK. Will do format each time.
[06:39] <rBliz> hello. i need xubuntu to boot all the way into xfce without monitor attached. is there someone here that can help me with that? pls
[09:23] <raevol> hi guys, i'm having an issue where my volume resets to 100% every time i reboot
[09:23] <raevol> anyone have any ideas/experience with this?
[09:40] <Marzata> raevol: yes, there are issues like this
[09:42] <raevol> Marzata: very helpful ;p
[09:45] <Marzata> raevol: very welcome
[09:45] <raevol> hehehe
[09:45] <raevol> getting some help in #pulseaudio
[09:47] <Marzata> raevol: of course
[10:19] <raevol> https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/204536/comments/61 my workaround for now
[10:22] <Sysi> I'll make a note about that for when somebody asks about keyboard shortcuts for changing volume
[10:23] <raevol> there's plenty of google results for that particular subject too, but good to know
[10:23] <raevol> this bug is infuriating
[10:23] <raevol> the reboot reset
[10:23] <raevol> and even more infuriating that it's marked as "fix released"
[10:23] <raevol> maybe it needs a new bug report
[10:25] <Sysi> commanding pulseaudio from commandline seems a bit problematic
[10:26] <raevol> it's a pain, but can be done it seems
[10:26] <Marzata> it is the same with the keyboard plugin, always reseted after reboot. but what will linux be without bugs.
[10:26] <raevol> everything linux audio related is a million times more problematic than it should be
[10:26] <Sysi> amixer is easy but doesn't work properly with pulse (it did on fedora, I'm looking forward to make pulse work that well on ubuntu)
[10:26] <Marzata> not mention the brightness, the same.
[10:27] <Sysi> Marzata: that plugin was quite a time unmaintained
[10:30] <Marzata> Sysi: some time even the preferences disappear while you are working. :)
[10:30] <Sysi> I've had it good, never needes buggiest parts of xfce
[11:39] <Alan> is there a way i could get startup scripts to fire before the XFCE autostart?
[11:39] <Alan> it seems many things are having a race condition with my xrandr script...
[11:42] <Alan> ooh, i jsut found out about .xprofile...
[15:39] <mongy> damn, not again.  changed my on ac power monitor power management times to 1 min standby and 2 mins suspend before I left for work, and it never switched off at all. arghhh
[15:42] <go8765> ia any matter if i write  gnome-terminal --command /home/go8765432/.jdownloader/downloads/azureus/azureus or  gnome-terminal --command cd ~/.jdownloader/downloads/azureus && ./azureus ?
[15:43] <mongy> wouldnt it be better to put it in a script?
[15:43] <mongy> or an alias
[15:44] <Sysi> shouldn't matter, but why do you want to do that?
[15:47] <go8765> I put it on launch-button) so i didnt need allias :) thanks for answer
[15:48] <Sysi> yeah, but why do you need launch button to start something in (non-default)terminal
[15:51] <go8765> Sysi, you right :) thanks. I delete gnome-terminal --command  :)
[16:00] <Alan> is there a way to control the order of autostart programs?
[16:01] <Alan> i'm getting annoying race conditions all the time, e.g. between conky and the desktop background...
[16:04] <go8765> Alan, in openbox - yes :)
[16:05] <go8765> *if I wright understand your question...
[16:05] <_Pete_> Alan: which one should go first, bg or conky?
[16:07] <Alan>  _Pete_ background
[16:07] <Alan> go8765: not in XFCE it seems
[16:08] <_Pete_> then one soultion would be, make a script which sleeps X seconds, then launches conky
[16:08] <Alan> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=22789#p22789
[16:08] <_Pete_> and put that to autostart
[16:08] <Alan> found that little gem
[16:08] <Alan> yeah, that's pretty crap, but seems the only way...
[16:08] <Alan> seems like the opendesktop standard for .desktop files didn't take such things into account?
[16:09] <Alan> gnome-do is breaking for similar reasons
[16:09] <Sysi> or xfce session startup script
[16:09] <go8765> or you cant try to change conky position in config - to 'top' position or "panel"
[16:09] <Alan> actually that one's a race condition with xrandr
[16:09] <Alan> go8765: even the panel one won't start....
[16:10] <Alan> just made everything that was failing to start sleep 2 seconds before launching
[16:10] <Alan> but my what an ugly workaround...
[16:10] <go8765> Alan, what you mean:even the panel one won't start... ?
[16:10] <Sysi> that's still much nicer than gconf
[16:11] <Alan> go8765: i have 2 conky instances, one is drawing to the root window (i turned off desktop icons in XFCE) and one is making itself a panel
[16:11] <Alan> the root window one was getting hidden by XFCE changing desktop (permanently!) and the panel one was crashing
[16:13] <Alan> http://iris.hexi.co/~alan/screenshots/work-conky.png
[16:13] <Alan> yay conky
[16:13] <Alan> NSFD - not safe for dialup
[16:13] <Alan> :P
[16:14] <_Pete_> I also did some desktop tweaking today
[16:15] <_Pete_> poor results of that: http://corei7.serveirc.com/~petria/tmp/screenshots/xubuntu_06.01.2012.png
[16:16] <Alan> are you serving that image from a toaster?
[16:16] <_Pete_> ?
[16:16] <Sysi> is that seriously comic sans
[16:16] <Alan> papyrus?
[16:16] <Sysi> nowhere close
[16:17] <Alan> i used to have mine the other way around, a "silly" font for titlebars and sensible for everything else
[16:17] <Alan> not sure why i though papyrus
[16:17] <Alan> i'm thinking of a font similar to comic sans
[16:17] <Alan> but that isn't comic sans
[16:17] <Alan> and i think it starts with a p
[16:17] <Alan> it's not papyrus
[16:19] <Alan> eh, i don't know.
[16:20] <Sysi> I need steampunk theme so that I could use serif font
[16:20] <_Pete_> but anyway dont really much care how it looks rather how it works
[16:20] <go8765> Alan, what you maen: NSFD - not safe for dialup?
[16:23] <Alan> go8765: random 2.5MB image :P
[16:25] <Alan> PNG is very sub-optimal for screenshots with photo-like backgrounds...
[16:25] <go8765> Alan, Ooo :)  I use dialup :)
[16:27] <go8765> Alan, you found solition for your conky's ?
[16:27] <Alan> yes, i just put a "sleep 2" in the command....
[16:27] <Alan> a bit of a crap way to do it, but better than nothing...
[17:25] <Creeper> Hi guys.. Can anyone help me with a tiny problem I have ? :)
[17:26] <baizon> whats your problem?
[17:26] <Creeper> Well .. I don't know if anyone here plays minecraft
[17:26] <Creeper> and just doing all the packaging and stuff does not resolve good in a xfce-environment
[17:27] <Creeper> I know that
[17:27] <Creeper> BUT !
[17:27] <Creeper> If you download the windows .exe and play it in OpenJDK it works
[17:27] <Creeper> however.. vanity calls, I want the standard xubuntu "Executable" icon to change to a .. well .. Minecraft icon
[17:27] <Creeper> what software/commando can I use ?
[17:29] <charlie-tca> You can create the launcher, then right-click it to change properties and make the icon anything you want
[17:31] <charlie-tca> Creeper: not sure if that will work to change the icon for a .exe file, though. I don't have any of that file type
[17:31] <Creeper> It does not work
[17:32] <charlie-tca> hm, maybe check the .desktop file itself, and change the icon= line then?
[17:33] <Creeper> Actually I don't have a .desktop
[17:37] <Creeper> It's just an .exe.
[17:38] <charlie-tca> look in ~/.local/share/applications and see if it is there
[17:43] <Creeper> No :/
[17:44] <Creeper> just some document
[17:44] <Creeper> mime something
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Then I don't know any way to change that icon
[18:34] <tolokoban> Good evening. I'm afraid I have lost my data by reinstalling Xubuntu. I have 3 disks : 500 Go, 1 To and 1 To. I used a RAID-1 on the last two and this is what I can't retieve.
[18:35] <GridCube> how did you lots your data?
[18:35] <tolokoban> Any idea ?
[18:35] <GridCube> it got formated?
[18:36] <tolokoban> When I tried to reinstall, I used an alternate CD.
[18:36] <GridCube> yes
[18:36] <GridCube> i use it all the time
[18:36] <tolokoban> I never choose to format, but I wrote the partition disks.
[18:36] <GridCube> thats formating
[18:36] <tolokoban> The alternate CD is ok, but I did the mistake.
[18:36] <GridCube> yep very much
[18:36] <GridCube> you can use photorec
[18:37] <GridCube> it can try to retrieve stuff
[18:37] <tolokoban> Where can I find it ? With apt-get ?
[18:37] <GridCube> it will probably do
[18:37] <GridCube> yes
[18:37] <GridCube> you need to have a disk where to dump recovered stuff
[18:37] <GridCube> !photorec
[18:37] <GridCube> !info photorec
[18:37] <tolokoban> Ok, I try to install it. I have the first disk with 500 Go and the rest was less than 500 Go,.
[18:38] <tolokoban> Where can I find it ?
[18:38] <GridCube> it should be there
[18:38] <GridCube> !info photorec natty
[18:38] <GridCube> :/
[18:39] <GridCube> !lostdata
[18:39] <GridCube> !testdisk
[18:39] <tolokoban> Yes, apt-get install photorec failed.
[18:39] <GridCube> i dont... http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Main_Page
[18:39] <GridCube> it exists i installed it many times
[18:39] <charlie-tca> !recovery
[18:39] <charlie-tca> nope
[18:40] <GridCube> search for it on synaptic
[18:40] <GridCube> it should be there, maybe on other package
[18:40] <tolokoban> It seems that "testdisk" is in the packages.
[18:40] <GridCube> !datarecovery
[18:41] <GridCube> !info datarecovery
[18:41] <GridCube> well i don't know where it is, here, read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
[18:41] <tolokoban> I found "photorec". How can I use it ?
[18:42] <tolokoban> Ok, I wil read your link. Thank.
[18:43] <GridCube> tolokoban, i gave you their wiki aswell
[18:43] <GridCube> http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Main_Page
[18:44] <tolokoban> Good, I will read it first.
[18:44] <GridCube> its pretty easy, you need to find the partition you need to recover, then tell it where you want to dump files, then it will start searching for files and dumping them to the place you told it, it will rename them, and add their correct extension aswell
[18:44] <GridCube> it can take a lot of time
[18:45] <GridCube> if you did not do anything to the disk it will probably just pick them all up
[18:45] <GridCube> i can't remember if you could actually just tell it to go back to an old partition table, i don't know if that works only on ntfs
[18:48] <GridCube> :) good luck
[18:48] <tolokoban> Ok, I launched it. It tells me that it need 1 h 30.
[18:48] <tolokoban> Thank you very much. I cross my fingers.
[18:52] <GridCube> the time i did it with an 160gb disk it took like 20 hours XD
[19:18] <holstein> yeah, photorec is worth the wait... i let it "chew" on an SD card overnite, and it got all my photos
[19:20] <tolokoban> Does it get the directory structure and the file names too ?
[19:27] <TheSheep> nope
[19:31] <holstein> tolokoban: nope
[19:32] <tolokoban> It was all my "home"... snif...
[19:32] <holstein> its like it saves your data, but reminds you to back it up properly in the futer ;)
[19:32] <holstein> future*
[19:34] <TheSheep> there are two kinds of people, those who make backups and those that will be making backups
[19:34] <charlie-tca> :)
[19:43] <tolokoban> It was a backup, becaus it was a RAID-1 !
[19:43] <go8765> and those that want to make backup but dont know in what way do it
[19:48] <tolokoban> Arg ! Photorec crashed.
[19:48] <tolokoban> Should I destroy the RAID first ?
[21:31] <designbybeck> Greetings
[21:31] <designbybeck> I'm trying to run XFCE on a ubuntu server just to test in virualbox
[21:32] <designbybeck> but when i start up my virtualbox it looks like it is loading things, and then just goes to a blank screen
[21:32] <designbybeck> I can switch to another tty session
[21:36] <holstein> designbybeck: i would try forcing vesa
[21:37] <designbybeck> not sure how to do that holstein
[21:37] <designbybeck> in a virtualbox
[21:37] <holstein> designbybeck: i would just add an xorg.conf
[21:37] <designbybeck> i was able to boot into xfce one time
[21:37] <designbybeck> or at least launch it with 'startxfce4'
[21:37] <holstein> thats a good sign!
[21:38] <designbybeck> do i need to install that?
[21:38] <designbybeck> xorg?
[21:38] <Sysi> so can you get to virtual console?
[21:38] <Sysi> ctrl alt f1 - f6
[21:38] <designbybeck> I can get to other tty in the virutal box
[21:38] <Sysi> on VM, not your real machine
[21:38] <designbybeck> you actually just press the right ctrl key and the F#
[21:39] <designbybeck> because if you press ctrl + alt aand F# then your host machine will switch
[21:39] <designbybeck> so I did figure that out and was about to make some changes that way
[21:39] <Sysi> not popping to TTY automatically should be normal, happens for me too
[21:40] <Sysi> if you want GUI to autostart you should get lightdm
[21:40] <designbybeck> that is lightdm?
[21:42] <Sysi> login screen
[21:42] <designbybeck> oh well I can't get there
[21:42] <designbybeck> to a login screen
[21:42] <Sysi> that's why you should install it
[21:42] <designbybeck> uhh
[21:43] <designbybeck> this was a clean server install Ubuntu Server 11.10 32bit
[21:43] <designbybeck> and then i did updates
[21:43] <designbybeck> and installed xubuntu-desktop
[21:43] <Sysi> hum, it should be there then
[21:43] <designbybeck> after i didi that i was able to 'startxfce4' and get into the desktop
[21:43] <holstein> yeah, i was unclear on what the issue was... i though you couldnt get to the desktop at all
[21:43] <designbybeck> however when i rebooted it would just come back to a blank screen
[21:44] <designbybeck> and now everytime i reboot it goes to a blank screen
[21:44] <designbybeck> this is the second time i've done a clean install
[21:44] <holstein> designbybeck: and now, can you reach TTY's?
[21:44] <Sysi> first I'd just try reinstalling lightdm
[21:44] <holstein> like, right now... this minute
[21:44] <designbybeck> i can reach ttys
[21:44] <designbybeck> yes i'm running top
[21:45] <designbybeck> i read somewhere about killing x.0 something
[21:45] <designbybeck> and then trying to lanch it again
[21:45] <holstein> OK.. Sysi , sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm ?
[21:45] <designbybeck> because right now if i try startxfce4 it says it is running
[21:45] <holstein> something like that ^^
[21:46] <Sysi> sudo apt-get reinstall lightdm
[21:46] <designbybeck> holstein, gave me dpkg-maintscript-help: warning: environment variable DPKG-MAINTSCRIPT_NAME missing
[21:46] <holstein> yeah, i agree... try that first ^
[21:46] <designbybeck> sudo apt-get reinstall lightdm
[21:46] <designbybeck> opps
[21:46] <designbybeck> lol
[21:47] <Sysi> or even before that, ctrl alt F7 (F8) if that fails, service lightdm stop ; service lightdm start
[21:47] <designbybeck> on service lightdm stop
[21:47] <designbybeck> i got a rejected send message
[21:48] <Sysi> I wonder if server is different in some crucial point.. I know it's not exactly vanilla buntu
[21:48] <designbybeck> it says invalid operation reinstall
[21:49] <designbybeck> i'm doing a sudo apt-get remove lightdm
[21:49] <designbybeck> that worked
[21:49] <designbybeck> now i'll install
[21:51] <designbybeck> rebooting
[21:51] <designbybeck> it passes grub and then you can see it loading everything else
[21:52] <designbybeck> but after all that it just goes to the blank screen
[21:53] <designbybeck> i think i found the proccessor # of Xorg
[21:53] <designbybeck> but how do i kill it
[21:53] <designbybeck> in top it says i couldn't do that operation
[21:54] <designbybeck> i did a 'ps' and i see the 3481 tty7 00:00:00 Xorg
[21:59] <olbi> hello
[22:00] <olbi> I have some problems with firefox in Xubuntu, once at x times inner window of browser dissapear and stay only border of it
[22:00] <olbi> what could it be?
[22:00] <Sysi> it crashes
[22:00] <Sysi> you're using plugins?
[22:01] <olbi> it didnt crashes, only my desktop is visible and border stay, process still exists
[22:01] <Sysi> that kind of sounds like crash
[22:01] <olbi> I using plugins: xmarks, lastpass, ubuntu firefox modification, polish dictionary
[22:02] <olbi> and others like flash etc
[22:02] <olbi> should I run it from browser and check terminal outputs?
[22:02] <Sysi> yes
[22:02] <olbi> it is very randomly
[22:03] <olbi> in last one hour it crash after display was in sleep mode
[22:07] <designbybeck> i'm going to try to remove XCFE and try ubuntu-desktop to see if that helps
[22:15] <designbybeck> it's odd...i finally found out how to kill x on the other terminal
[22:15] <designbybeck> and then delete the .X0-lock file
[22:16] <designbybeck> and THEN i can startxfce4 and i get to the desktop just fine
[22:44] <ReaKOs98qwjok12> hi , where can i find the source of xubuntu?
[22:47] <TheSheep> !sources
[22:48] <TheSheep> ReaKOs98qwjok12: xubuntu doesn't have a single source, it's comosed of hundreds of separate applications, each with its own source
[22:48] <TheSheep> ReaKOs98qwjok12: you can get the source code of all of them, together with the ubuntu-specific patches from launchpad.
[22:49] <ReaKOs98qwjok12> TheSheep: but the kernel used in xubuntu?, can i get it?
[22:49] <TheSheep> ReaKOs98qwjok12: sure
[22:49] <TheSheep> ReaKOs98qwjok12: it's on the launchpad too
[22:49] <TheSheep> ReaKOs98qwjok12: or you can install the kernel sources as a package
[22:49] <TheSheep> !kernel
[22:50] <ReaKOs98qwjok12> okey, thanks all! :)
[23:46] <vinny> why cant i write to my   NTFS partitions from xubuntu ? 11.10
[23:47] <holstein> vinny: permissions
[23:47] <vinny> ok..
[23:48] <vinny> i cant changed them
[23:48] <holstein> see if https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions is helpful
[23:49] <vinny> thnks
[23:55] <vinny> problem solved
[23:55] <holstein> vinny: cool.. did you chown it?
[23:56] <vinny> nah..  i  installed  ntfs-3g
[23:56] <holstein> even easier :)
[23:56] <vinny> i think it got removed  when i installled  Gparted
[23:56] <vinny> with  the  ntfs support
[23:56] <vinny> plugin